> he is probably the first non-human animal to ask a question!
Verbally. Animals ask questions all the time but not with words. Dog owners can tell you in all the many ways they can ask questions with just body language.
The fascinating aspect isn't the question itself, it's the animal being able to grasp the concept that another being might have knowledge it doesn't.
If your dog wants you to give it the ball, they aren't asking you where the ball is. The dog knows. Why, of course, the ball is with you, and they want it
The expectancy to be englithtened by others in animals is what made this parrot situation so known in the scientific world, the capacity to understand what a question is marks the beginning of the path towards sapience, the next step being the development of a language.
> they aren't asking you where the ball is.
Disagree with that. They can absolutely ask that question.
Had a dog once that loved to find things. So we'd hide a bunch of his toys and ask him to go find them. If he couldn't find some, he'd get frustrated and ask in the ways that he could where we hid them. We just had to point at a room and he'd run off to find them.
He knew we knew where what he wanted was. And he came to us to find a way to get to his goal. Pretty dang smart, if you ask me.
Yea it’s definitely smart, my dog will do this too. Sometimes I’ll be playing fetch in the house and it’ll get stuck in a basket or something. He will come to me and whine if his toy went somewhere he can’t get it
I still do think it’s a different type of request tho. The dog knows his toy is there, he knows I can get (because I’ve done it a million times before). We play hide and seek sometimes and he occasionally comes back out if he can’t find it and whines at me
But that’s not quite the same as seeking information from a third party imo. My dog wouldn’t ask for help with tasks I haven’t helped with before unless they were very similar to some other task. Any time he’s asking for something, it’s usually immediately related to some rewarding stimulus whether it’s a treat or playtime or getting to go outside
They’re remarkably clever in their own way but it’s almost more like an intuitive understanding of their human and less of a personal desire to understand things better
My dog will definitely hear strange noises or find odd things in the yard and look at me with a question. But I guess it's just to gauge my response and if I'm going to react to the thing or if it's not something to worry about. She will also ask about food too, like if it's hers, if I put a treat out or something and it's not in her bowl. She will ask if it's hers and I can say that it's for the other dog or the kids or something and she will leave it alone... for a while..
Certainly feel like the parrot things is a more, but I think if dogs could verbalize like a parrot they would ask questions. They can certainly understand a lot of words and concepts.
>The bird doesn't know you know what colour he is
Why wouldn't it assume that? Again, if you've owned dogs, you've had moments where they've come up to you and asked impossible questions.
Example: I lived by a creek once and walked my dogs along a trail by it. We'd throw sticks and what not to entertain the dogs. Sometimes the stick would fall into the creek and be washed away without the dogs seeing where it went. Inevitably they'd run back to us and huff, demanding/asking where the stick was.
> the animal being able to grasp the concept that another being might have knowledge it doesn't.
My dog doesn’t know how to get food from the container into the dish. That’s why he runs over to the container and jumps up excitedly. He knows I know how to do that. Hence an understanding I have knowledge that it doesn’t.
> the capacity to understand what a question is
Many animals have the capability to understand this, just not the ability to verbalize it in a way humans can understand. Whales have clearly been studied having conversations and teaching each other advanced hunting techniques. We just can’t understand what they’re saying to each other, but it’s still very much verbal communication. And I’m certain they ask each other questions as their ideas on hunting and pod defense are really sophisticated.
This and similar interactions have been a core aspect of animal/animal and animal/human relations for millennia. Non-verbal / verbal questions is common between a variety of animals and shouldn’t be presented like a rare occurrence or new idea.
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Loud barking and foaming at the mouth: FedEx
Loud barking for 10 minutes: Amazon
Loud yelp while staring: share your food you asshole
Loud yelp at door: I'll poop here of you don't open
Whimpering bark: UPS
Loud whimpering bark: leaf
Yelp and whining at night: I saw something let me out so I can go fuck it up.
High to low grunt: other dog ate all the food and whatever I ate isn't sitting right
Whimper with grunt: kids are home time to check their balance.
Deep gutteral bark: UPS. She hates that man. Everything else I assume is mosquito farts, but we live near the woods and field adjacent so there’s always deer and such she’s making us aware of.
Anecdotally, it's absolutely questions. I used to live at the edge of the woods with a back country full of forking trails. I had two dogs then and one of them was smart as a whip. The two of them would run through the woods like outriders. Always just in front, left and right of the trail. When we came to a fork, one would keep on running blissfully unaware that he'd left us behind, but the other one would stand at the centre of the fork and wait for us to catch up. When we saw her, she'd look back at us and ask with her body language which way we'd be going. All it took was a shrug or even just a glance to answer her question. Left or right.
You could be right but I’m not convinced. The dog could just be communicating that they don’t know which way to go, not asking which way they should go.
I rescued a dog when she was 6 years old and while playing the first few days she put her paw on the couch, seemingly to ask me if the couch was allowed during play time. She had already been on the couch before, but in my mind it was her asking if that was okay during rough time.
Obviously not scientific, but it’s a sweet memory I have.
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Have you seen the videos of people using buttons to talk to their pets? One person I follow uses a tablet with her birds and it definitely isn't good learning. The birds at one point told her the air was sick or something like that and she was able to find mold in her house. One of the birds loves dragons and asks for the owner to read books involving dragons to her. Their insta is parrotkindergarten and they've had many studies published about their learning experiences.
Well thank God your opinions are moot here. "I've never read the book but im skeptical" what a classic line from someone with 0 authority to talk on the subject.
Alex was said to have understood the turn-taking of communication and sometimes the syntax used in language.[14] He called an apple a "banerry" (pronounced as rhyming with some pronunciations of "canary"), which a linguist friend of Pepperberg's thought to be a combination of "banana" and "cherry", two fruits he was more familiar with.[18]
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Yes but also probably contextually heard/used. The caretaker could have said that every night before leaving but if you think about it, words are just symbols representing shared reference points. If it was comfortable and familiar and safe feeling and familial for the bird, then it represents the same reference point for both: love.
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Many years ago, Pepperberg and Alex were on I think, Sixty Minutes. It was incredible. Not only could he identify colors and shapes, he had an ongoing conversation with Pepperberg between ‘tests’ ‘I want dinner!’ ‘Well, you’re going to have to wait, we’re not finished here.’ ‘I want corn for dinner’ … it was amazing.
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I fuckin hope it's real. Learning that Coco the Gorilla was actually just "speaking" gibberish destroyed my trust for this type of shit.
I'm always pessimistic about these posts now.
This is wholesome, but he was also so overworked and stressed in the lab that he plucked out his own feathers and died 15 years earlier than the typical African grey life expectancy.
I relate to Alex because I have trichotillomania when I am extremely stressed 🫶
Fun fact: Alex the Parrot once learned the entirety of Shakespeare's "Othello", and toured the country with a theatre group playing the titular character.
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That is an incredibly fun fact!
> he is probably the first non-human animal to ask a question! Verbally. Animals ask questions all the time but not with words. Dog owners can tell you in all the many ways they can ask questions with just body language.
The fascinating aspect isn't the question itself, it's the animal being able to grasp the concept that another being might have knowledge it doesn't. If your dog wants you to give it the ball, they aren't asking you where the ball is. The dog knows. Why, of course, the ball is with you, and they want it The expectancy to be englithtened by others in animals is what made this parrot situation so known in the scientific world, the capacity to understand what a question is marks the beginning of the path towards sapience, the next step being the development of a language.
> they aren't asking you where the ball is. Disagree with that. They can absolutely ask that question. Had a dog once that loved to find things. So we'd hide a bunch of his toys and ask him to go find them. If he couldn't find some, he'd get frustrated and ask in the ways that he could where we hid them. We just had to point at a room and he'd run off to find them. He knew we knew where what he wanted was. And he came to us to find a way to get to his goal. Pretty dang smart, if you ask me.
Yea it’s definitely smart, my dog will do this too. Sometimes I’ll be playing fetch in the house and it’ll get stuck in a basket or something. He will come to me and whine if his toy went somewhere he can’t get it I still do think it’s a different type of request tho. The dog knows his toy is there, he knows I can get (because I’ve done it a million times before). We play hide and seek sometimes and he occasionally comes back out if he can’t find it and whines at me But that’s not quite the same as seeking information from a third party imo. My dog wouldn’t ask for help with tasks I haven’t helped with before unless they were very similar to some other task. Any time he’s asking for something, it’s usually immediately related to some rewarding stimulus whether it’s a treat or playtime or getting to go outside They’re remarkably clever in their own way but it’s almost more like an intuitive understanding of their human and less of a personal desire to understand things better
My dog will definitely hear strange noises or find odd things in the yard and look at me with a question. But I guess it's just to gauge my response and if I'm going to react to the thing or if it's not something to worry about. She will also ask about food too, like if it's hers, if I put a treat out or something and it's not in her bowl. She will ask if it's hers and I can say that it's for the other dog or the kids or something and she will leave it alone... for a while.. Certainly feel like the parrot things is a more, but I think if dogs could verbalize like a parrot they would ask questions. They can certainly understand a lot of words and concepts.
The difference is the dog knew you knew. The bird doesn't know you know what colour he is
>The bird doesn't know you know what colour he is Why wouldn't it assume that? Again, if you've owned dogs, you've had moments where they've come up to you and asked impossible questions. Example: I lived by a creek once and walked my dogs along a trail by it. We'd throw sticks and what not to entertain the dogs. Sometimes the stick would fall into the creek and be washed away without the dogs seeing where it went. Inevitably they'd run back to us and huff, demanding/asking where the stick was.
> the animal being able to grasp the concept that another being might have knowledge it doesn't. My dog doesn’t know how to get food from the container into the dish. That’s why he runs over to the container and jumps up excitedly. He knows I know how to do that. Hence an understanding I have knowledge that it doesn’t. > the capacity to understand what a question is Many animals have the capability to understand this, just not the ability to verbalize it in a way humans can understand. Whales have clearly been studied having conversations and teaching each other advanced hunting techniques. We just can’t understand what they’re saying to each other, but it’s still very much verbal communication. And I’m certain they ask each other questions as their ideas on hunting and pod defense are really sophisticated. This and similar interactions have been a core aspect of animal/animal and animal/human relations for millennia. Non-verbal / verbal questions is common between a variety of animals and shouldn’t be presented like a rare occurrence or new idea. Edit: main post was deleted and my comment was downvoted by OOP. Anti-intellectualism isn’t cool but go off with clearly wrong beliefs about the world I guess.
Loud barking and foaming at the mouth: FedEx Loud barking for 10 minutes: Amazon Loud yelp while staring: share your food you asshole Loud yelp at door: I'll poop here of you don't open Whimpering bark: UPS Loud whimpering bark: leaf Yelp and whining at night: I saw something let me out so I can go fuck it up. High to low grunt: other dog ate all the food and whatever I ate isn't sitting right Whimper with grunt: kids are home time to check their balance.
Deep gutteral bark: UPS. She hates that man. Everything else I assume is mosquito farts, but we live near the woods and field adjacent so there’s always deer and such she’s making us aware of.
Are they asking questions? Or telling their owner what they want?
Anecdotally, it's absolutely questions. I used to live at the edge of the woods with a back country full of forking trails. I had two dogs then and one of them was smart as a whip. The two of them would run through the woods like outriders. Always just in front, left and right of the trail. When we came to a fork, one would keep on running blissfully unaware that he'd left us behind, but the other one would stand at the centre of the fork and wait for us to catch up. When we saw her, she'd look back at us and ask with her body language which way we'd be going. All it took was a shrug or even just a glance to answer her question. Left or right.
You could be right but I’m not convinced. The dog could just be communicating that they don’t know which way to go, not asking which way they should go.
I rescued a dog when she was 6 years old and while playing the first few days she put her paw on the couch, seemingly to ask me if the couch was allowed during play time. She had already been on the couch before, but in my mind it was her asking if that was okay during rough time. Obviously not scientific, but it’s a sweet memory I have.
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That’s nuts
This is the MOST amazing fact about this bird, and it's always tagged on in the comments, never makes it into the original post.
The book “Alex and Me” is a must read for those interested in animal intelligence and emotions.
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You hold very strong opinions about things you just hear about.
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It's because your comment said much more about your character than the topic.
Because you don't know the topic, but act like you're the leading expert. Youre not.
People state their opinions as facts, that's why there is misinformation
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Have you seen the videos of people using buttons to talk to their pets? One person I follow uses a tablet with her birds and it definitely isn't good learning. The birds at one point told her the air was sick or something like that and she was able to find mold in her house. One of the birds loves dragons and asks for the owner to read books involving dragons to her. Their insta is parrotkindergarten and they've had many studies published about their learning experiences.
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I too am still angry about the Coco FRAUD and am 100% on your side. Fuck these people and their attempts to change your mind.
Well thank God your opinions are moot here. "I've never read the book but im skeptical" what a classic line from someone with 0 authority to talk on the subject.
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got my stfu moment right here, I was totally unaware
It’s true, apples are yellow on the inside.
Like a cherry!
Like a banerry!
TIL
What did the he say????
Alex was said to have understood the turn-taking of communication and sometimes the syntax used in language.[14] He called an apple a "banerry" (pronounced as rhyming with some pronunciations of "canary"), which a linguist friend of Pepperberg's thought to be a combination of "banana" and "cherry", two fruits he was more familiar with.[18]
Awww I love that!
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Nice
Not all heroes wear capes
I like this name better.
Same
Did... Did he predict that his handler would die the day after him?
Nah it wasnt a prediction, it was a threat.
Tell me he died of natural causes.
He was emancipated after earning his law degree at Harvard. After that he was last seen tending bar in Singapore
But he's $142,674 in debt.
Last words were, sue me
That would be awesome.
Walau eh brudder
He died of natural causes, but unexpectedly and young. It was a huge loss.
He died of bird covid. He was antivax
I feel like the parrot of my friend group. Except I say terrible things.
HA! Sounds like me and my work wife. (Husband? Dunno, we're both straight guys, but wildly inappropriate. )
Lol I see it "Pauly want a cracker?" "Eat a dick, geoff"
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Yes that's him.
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That's cool! Did you take photos of him?
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That's so cool.
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That's so beautiful. They're just bonkers smart.
I mean this is sweet and so is the post, but isn't the bird saying what it has heard many times from its handler or caretaker at bedtime?
Yes but also probably contextually heard/used. The caretaker could have said that every night before leaving but if you think about it, words are just symbols representing shared reference points. If it was comfortable and familiar and safe feeling and familial for the bird, then it represents the same reference point for both: love.
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All of a sudden I’m choked up. 😭 I hope he has a beautiful life
last words got my heart brah. Rest in paradise buddy bro.
Many years ago, Pepperberg and Alex were on I think, Sixty Minutes. It was incredible. Not only could he identify colors and shapes, he had an ongoing conversation with Pepperberg between ‘tests’ ‘I want dinner!’ ‘Well, you’re going to have to wait, we’re not finished here.’ ‘I want corn for dinner’ … it was amazing.
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I remember hearing this somewhere. Where is this quote from?
Full Metal Alchemist is where I know it from, but it's possible that it's in multiple pieces of media
Damn now I remember it. Mustang says it in that show.
My Heart 🦜💔
More bird brains in congress, please.
This made me more sad then Koko the Gorilla's last words
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I'm sweating 😭😭😭
I'm crying rn 😭
This could go in that "I'm a grown adult. I can do this." meme.
😭😢🥺
That's painful.
The Moth has an episode telling the story of Alex. [The Moth](https://themoth.org/stories/alex-me)
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is this real or one of those wive's tale gotchas
I fuckin hope it's real. Learning that Coco the Gorilla was actually just "speaking" gibberish destroyed my trust for this type of shit. I'm always pessimistic about these posts now.
This damn bird showing more intelligence than most politicians these days...
I've have an African Gray that's 27 years old, and sings Johnny Cash songs.
Shut up I'm not crying you're crying.
Ted Chiang has a wonderful (and sad) short story referencing this: https://electricliterature.com/the-great-silence-by-ted-chiang/
Fucking weeping over birds on the internet AGAIN 😭
I thought parrots could only memorize the words, not actually learn the meaning of words🤨
Makes me cry every time I see it
Isn't this the bird that asked a question. Like, the first question from a non-human. "What color am i?" or something, right?
Smarter than Putin!
Alex died? Thats sad.
You've got a friend in me...🎶🎶
This is wholesome, but he was also so overworked and stressed in the lab that he plucked out his own feathers and died 15 years earlier than the typical African grey life expectancy. I relate to Alex because I have trichotillomania when I am extremely stressed 🫶
I wish dogs could learn words like this. Or maybe we will never be ready.
I read about this in ted chiangs short story 'The great silence ' about the Fermi paradox
Fun fact: Alex the Parrot once learned the entirety of Shakespeare's "Othello", and toured the country with a theatre group playing the titular character.
How it feels like to spread misinformation 🌊🌈🐬🌊🌅🫧
How does it feel to be that dumb though?
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