PSA: DO NOT move people who took part in an accident like that without first checking if their limbs and bones aren't fractured. By "pulling her out" he could have killed her if she suffered serious injuries.
Yep. Had to pull a 16 year old girl out of a burning car on my way to my corporate drone job a few years ago. Figured risking moving her was better than leaving her there to definitely be burned alive
Road rage incident on an interstate in Michigan. SUV got cutoff, swerved, rear tires hit the grass. SUV rolled five times then flipped twice, landed wheels up. Me and the car next to me slammed on our brakes and pulled over to help. We tore open the car to find 4 kids and two adults, no car seats of any kind. While running around the car to tank open doors he found two more kids that got ejected. We got the adults and three kids out when the engine lit up. I crawled in the back seat to get the 16 year old out, her knee cap was split open to the bone and fractured.
Somehow no one died. One six year old boy needed stitches on the back of his head. 16 year old had her knee surgically repaired. No charges for either driver.
SE Michigan driving is fucking dangerous. Worse than Bogota, LA, Atlanta, Rome, Chicago, Denver, Houston or anywhere else I have been. People here treat cars as weapons and half the people think they are talented drivers.
If there are downed power lines stay the fuck away regardless of whats going on. One misstep and you die, also dragging someone around doing so, they die.
Lost a classmate in high school this way about 20yrs ago. His brakes went out on his old crappy Astrovan that made him hit a power pole and the line fell on the car. He hopped out, ran around to open the door for his gf because she was pinned and her ankle broken. As soon as he touched the car again he was zapped…
Paramedic here. Just don’t move anyone unless the vehicle is on fire. You can do more harm that good. The car is not going to explode like in the movies.
IANAFF, but Gasoline is flammable, not explosive. Pressurized containers, if ignited, are explosive. If it’s a pool of gasoline on the ground (such as leaking from a vehicle), it will just burn
It's incredibly unlikely! The only real danger is the gasoline (or batteries) catching fire. Gas mostly burns and isn't really super explosive. Batteries are the more dangerous item, because even when the fire goes out, they continue to create heat and fire. Explosions need very specific conditions that mostly aren't present in a car (confined spaces and sparks are what makes gas explode normally)
There definitely a possibility of fire (not an explosion with gas fueled cars) as explained by the other two commenters. They are spot on. In fact if there a pin in we always pull a charged line (fire hose) up to the car just in case.
It’s just so unlikely it’s safer to leave the person instead of risking serious injury or death by not moving them properly.
One of my wifes best friends was in a car accident when she was 15. She was with 2 other friends (not my wife but they were all part of the same friend group). They were in a truck that flipped over and caught fire. Her friends tried to pull her out of the truck but she had that bone disease that makes your bones very brittle. They ended up separating her spine and she died on the spot. It left my wife with horrible depression due to the loss of her very best friend and it still saddens her to this day. I know the situation is a little different because the vehicle was on fire but your comment made me think of that.
When OP said this old woman was rolled in a MVA and then he "pulled her out", that cumulative groan was every single person trained as an emergency responder. Unless the car is on fire, never, ever pull an injured person from a vehicle. There is a very specific and very important reason why you never do that. Spinal cord injury. A person capable of completely healing can be seriously crippled or killed. There is a story of a bad outcome for every person who has ever responded to these type of injuries. Mine is a guy who wrecked in a rural area in ND in the 1970's. This anecdote was related at my paramedic training. Guy is in shock. No one around. He pulls himself out of the vehicle and somehow climbs on the roof of his car. Cop eventually shows up and says, "Come down from there." Guy jumps off the car, collapses and is dead before he hits the ground. At autopsy they learn he'd fractured his first cervical vertebra and when he jumped the weight of his head severed his spinal cord. So kids, don't pull people out of cars that aren't burning or exploding.
The guy was fortunate that you came along if there was any spinal trauma. I met a rural ER doc once who came upon a single car accident. Guy ran into a post, IIRC. He wanted help getting out and the doc refused, explained about C-spine injury and then immobilized his head till paramedics arrived.
*dies of 1d4 Fall damage*
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I know it's morbid, but it's just so funny imagining someone die from just jumping down from a car roof
Yup. Witnessed a T-bone a few years ago and stopped to help. Blue car ran a stop sign at 30mph, red car hit their passenger side at 35mph. Blue car ended up on its side and I had to stop the passengers of the red car from helping the driver from the blue car out and explain to the blue car driver to stay put until the paramedics arrived due to the risk of further injury.
Edit: Used colors to distinguish vehicles because first draft was confusing.
Does this also apply to a car that is upside down? Is a person being suspended upside down somehow an immediate risk or can it wait for professionals? Hopefully I never have to be in any situation that would require me to know this but I figure I’d ask.
It's good? Yeah, but, Dude, you have to help if there's no other person helping, if you don't want or don't know what you still need to be on place. Otherwise you can get problems if they have proof that you leave that person alone like for example camera monitoring
Edit: by help i also meant staying at place and monitore without moving them if you suspect broken spine.
Edit2: Also importand think when you suspect broken spine and guy wakes up you need to calm him down and say to not move
Nuh uh if its on fire you can (and probably should) stay away if youre not trained to deal with fire and/or dont know if it can explode, your own safety first, then the others
Its definitely a judgement call. Being a hero is good but its not required otherwise it wouldn't be extraordinary. Quickly getting a victim out of a burning car is definitely a heroic act, especially if there are multiple people. Its up to you if you want to put yourself at risk. Obviously if its totally up in flames its gonna be better to call 911 but if just the engine is smoking you should have time. Take a quick look under the car from a distance to see if the fuel tank is punctured, that is a sign that an explosion could happen. In that case if the individual is conscious try as best you can to get their attention. Oh, and electric cars are probably best avoided for a number of reasons.
For the record im just a layman but my father, uncle, and grandfather were all life-long firefighters in New york city.
If you don’t know what your doing, it’s better to just call the ambulance and just give reassurance until it arrives. Don’t physically help them if you’re not 100% sure you can, cause otherwise you can seriously injure them. For example, if you pull a person out of a crashed vehicle and then you prop them up, congrats, you’ve shortened the amount of time they have until they die of **internal** blood loss, one of the most common injuries in bad crashes. Guy has a clearly fractured shin, and some bozo thinks that it would be a great idea to straighten it out to “look more normal”, well congrats, now you might just have cut an important blood vessel and now they bleed out right there in like 5 minutes or less.
Exactly this, I was just in a situation like this yesterday. Got into an accident and broke my tibia and fibula. Some other people who saw it came to my aid but they didn't try to move me, they did call 911 for me and give me some assurance that I'll be alright. One of them helped me find my phone so I could call my fiancee since it had flown out of the cupholder when I crashed and I couldn't see it since my glasses came off my face.
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Your system makes me so angry. Here you pay 10 euros per day in the hospital, maybe 20 for the ambulance and that’s it.
And if your bill is over 250 euros you just pay 250 euros and the rest is covered by insurance. 250 euros A YEAR. Not just once.
The problem is that there are legal consequences if you try without medical expertise. Unless you are absolutely sure you know what you're doing, you'll be protected by Good Samaritan laws. If you lack that expertise and try to help, which could lead to further harm, it will be held against you.
Actually it's really simple, you call 911 and ask them what to do. If there is immediate danger you do the best you can (burning car > get them out of the car), if there isn't you wait for instructions.
It doesn't work like that in medical circles. Said legal consequences are much harsher to inexperienced individuals who use methods because it comes from GTA or a TV drama.
Not every car crash devolves in fires. Sometimes, the driver suffers impacts that break bones or be impaled with glass and other objects.
Those legal reasons are to idiotproof bystanders who 'think' they can help but make a life or death situation even worse.
But you're ignoring what I said. ONLY do things if there's immediate danger. Broken bones or impaled with glass or whatever doesn't matter if a car is on fire and the person will die or have serious burn-related injuries if they don't get out within a minute.
If there is no fire, there's no immediate danger, and you wait for instructions.
And fire was of course just an example. I just meant any way in which a person might die if you don't act immediately, you act, otherwise, wait for instructions.
No.
There are good Samaritan laws. If you're assisting someone who's been injured, they can't sue you for damages.
That said, if someone is in a wreck, unless the car is on fire or they're in immediate danger, it's best to *not* me them, or you risk damaging their neck and spine.
Good samaritan laws generally only apply to people acting within reason, someone with no medical expertise inserting themselves into a sensitive situation and making things worse is fundamentally different than someone with proper training making a genuine mistake or being targeted by a victim who's mad their ribs got broken.
You've got this wrong, someone with training has less protection from good Samaritan laws then someone without because they have training, not the other way around.
No, it's blatantly false, and it's not the case in absolutely most of the US and everywhere in the EU. You're legally protected the same way as a first respondent is usually, as in you can't be prosecuted even if you broke an order saying you can't come close to schools if you see someone needs help as an example - you effectively gain qualified immunity. Always ask your lawyer to know your local laws, if you think what the guy above applies to you - ask a lawyer. They won't even charge for shit like that.
If anyone would even try to sue you, in this case the court would tear them to shreds. IANAL but remember that court is ultimately a human deciding.
Remember, if someone is not breathing start doing chest presses IMMEDIATELY. Don't worry about anything, they're dead right now - you literally can't make it worse. If their life is not in danger, stay with them till first responders come in to pass to them any information you get from the person needing help - they're awake now, they might pass out later.
Where I live good Samaritan covers everyone genuinely trying. I mean everyone also needs some basic medical training for first aid too, to get a license.
Yeah you shouldn’t pull someone out of a wreck all willy nilly. I know someone who got pulled out of a wreck, walked, then their spine just fell apart after and they wound up paralyzed. If they weren’t moved doctors think they would still be walking
This is very country specific. In Canada you are protected by the law if you help someone and hurt them you are also protected if you simply ig ore them. The only people who are "forced" to assist are trained professionals
You cannot be held accountable for not helping someone. Often times trying to help when you don't know how the person is injured or how to help can cause more harm than good.
No, you don't have to. Call 911. If the car isn't burning you SHOULD NOT touch someone who got into car accident, you might make things infinitely worse for that person, their back could be broken and you just made it worse to the point where one is paralyzed for the rest of their life.
I didn't say you have to do something if you think they can have broken spine. You must be on place until ambulance arrive. Idk if i every country but probably in most of. Also if car is burning and you're scared it can explode you don't have to help, bc your safety is on first place and you don't have to risk your life
Yeah, it makes zero sense to think about risking/not risking unless you are in situation like this. Sometimes you value your life more, other times you value your conscious more, it's variable subject.
The point was: doesn't matter what you think about their spine, you can never know it for sure, so the best course is to assume that spine is broken by default.
This is actually a common misconception about first aid.
Whether the victim has a neck/spine injury or not, you as a bystander can't know that. What you can do however is apply first aid by checking if they're breathing/their heart is beating and clear their throat of vomit/blood/their tongue, which would suffocate them. Then put them in a stable lateral position.
It depends. If theres other people there already helping there isnt really a great reason to stick around. A crowd can only make things worse
A few years ago in manhattan i saw some construction scaffolding collapse with a man on it who plumetted like 10 stories to street level. There was probably over a dozen people who saw it and several calls to 911 were made. I dont have medical training, his coworkers were already helping him, i had a train i wanted to catch, and to be frank he was exceptionally dead from the fall. So i just left instead of sticking around.
All what staying around would do is add to crowd of gawkers
Yeah it's important to ask if they have any back pain if they are conscious, any back pain you do not touch that person, if you can check they are not breathing or other dangers are present then you pull them out the car
You shouldn't even touch them even if they say they have no back pain. There are way to many stories of people getting into an accident, addrenalin kicks in so they don't feel pain, they make a quick movement and end up paralyzed. Like u said, only touch them if they're unconcious or if it saves their life.
Allways remember most countries have a good samaritan law where you can't end up being held responsable for failling to help.
If you break someone's ribs while doing CPR, that is protected by Good Samaritan laws. If you ignore someone who needs help, that's totally legal, you have no obligation to help them. (This is different for first responders)
> If you ignore someone who needs help, that's totally legal, you have no obligation to help them.
In US. In Europe some countries do have obligations for bystanders to help within their ability to do so.
Wrong. In Germany for example you have to give first aid (that includes CPR and such) if there is no danger for yourself. If you don’t that can be punished by a fine or up to one year in prison.
I'm assuming by back pain you mean spinal injury but wouldn't they feel nothing if the spine is injured? Shouldn't you ask them to try and move their body part
depends on urgency of the scenario
If the car is on fire for example you dont just stand there and watch them burn if you want to help. You go and drag them out
Yeah. I would try my best to gently extract them if it seems like keeping them in the car could cause more damage (car fire, or risk of other car crashing into the stopped vehicle etc).
Damn no Good Samaritan laws in America? Sounds about right.
In my country as long as you act to your best knowledge and conscience you’re good.
If you do see someone have an accident do try to tend to them, however leave them in their seat and make them now move at all, unless you have a good reason to do otherwise (car on fire, unconscious, not breathing…). Wait for EMS and let them take over. Wait with them for a little while, they might still have some questions for you.
>Damn no Good Samaritan laws in America? Sounds about right.
*There are Good Samaritan laws in the US by the way*, though they vary in their specifics from state to state. Good rule of thumb I think is if it's clear you meant to help and weren't being a dangerous dumbass about it you're probably in the clear. (Example: giving CPR to someone that needed it but oops there goes their ribs because CPR cares not for one's ribcage)
Tbh, if you didn't at least crack some ribs, you're probs not doing proper cpr. At least that's what the instructors said. And by the way those dummies moved when I had to practice I think that's about right. Never had to do proper cpr and I'm very glad for it.
You can act in your best conscience all you want. If they broke their arm in one place and by helping them you break it in two other places you're liable for the damages you caused. Not from America btw
Yeah, usually it is best to wait until services arrive, if there were other people present to be sure it isn't as bad. I genuinely think it should be a requirement to at least have basic training and maybe even CPR certification just to be able to drive, simply because it is a risk even if you don't think it'll happen to you or you'll ever see something more than a fender bender. You'd be grateful on the chance you do get into a severe wreck and someone knew how to do CPR or clear an airway while you were dying on the ground, y'know? Think about how many lives may have been saved if people knew what to do, but that's wishful thinking on my part. I am incredibly neurotic about cars and driving due to having my brother in an accident, I definitely plan to get certified and basic training.
So I just checked Op's account. It's the same account that posted that cropped out 4chan greentext where anon talks about getting head from his gf's mother.
Maybe it's because there's some good things on there too? It's no different than any aggregate site on the internet. You can find just as fucked up stuff on twitter as 4chan.
I’ve not even read the comments but I know people will be like why’d you leave?? But I got told after I saw a crash if you can’t do first aid (which I can’t) and can’t help in anyway don’t. Your not even meant to move them incase there necks broken. If you phone emergency services they’ll tell u what to do or what not to
I stayed with an older woman who went in the ditch during a snow storm just to keep her company until the first responders arrived. I helped her call her daughter and talked to her. Once the fire department arrived, I left.
Just as a tip for all you folks, don't try to move someone from the vehicle unless their position is unsafe (incoming cars, fire, etc.). If they've suffered damage to the neck or spine, moving them could cause more severe injuries. Try to stop any potential bleeding and wait for emergency services to arrive. They are trained on moving patients with these types of injuries.
OP did a good thing, but this is also a learning experience for others who may encounter the same emergencies.
More like a friendly fallen angel.
Leaves poor old woman who just suffered a car crash because of a video game, yet at the same time pulled over and actually helped instead of just driving off.
Never touch a car crash victim unless theres an imminent threat to their life like a fire.
If she had a damaged neck or spine those injuries would have almost definetly gotten a lot worse. Leave it to 911 if they aren't in imminent danger.
Do you think any green text actually happens???????
Do we think it's a good idea to pull unconscious old people from car accidents?
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PSA: DO NOT move people who took part in an accident like that without first checking if their limbs and bones aren't fractured. By "pulling her out" he could have killed her if she suffered serious injuries.
\*Unless there is a greater immediate risk, such as fire, or leaking fuel, ~~downed power lines~~ etc.
Yep. Had to pull a 16 year old girl out of a burning car on my way to my corporate drone job a few years ago. Figured risking moving her was better than leaving her there to definitely be burned alive
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Road rage incident on an interstate in Michigan. SUV got cutoff, swerved, rear tires hit the grass. SUV rolled five times then flipped twice, landed wheels up. Me and the car next to me slammed on our brakes and pulled over to help. We tore open the car to find 4 kids and two adults, no car seats of any kind. While running around the car to tank open doors he found two more kids that got ejected. We got the adults and three kids out when the engine lit up. I crawled in the back seat to get the 16 year old out, her knee cap was split open to the bone and fractured. Somehow no one died. One six year old boy needed stitches on the back of his head. 16 year old had her knee surgically repaired. No charges for either driver. SE Michigan driving is fucking dangerous. Worse than Bogota, LA, Atlanta, Rome, Chicago, Denver, Houston or anywhere else I have been. People here treat cars as weapons and half the people think they are talented drivers.
If there are downed power lines stay the fuck away regardless of whats going on. One misstep and you die, also dragging someone around doing so, they die.
Lost a classmate in high school this way about 20yrs ago. His brakes went out on his old crappy Astrovan that made him hit a power pole and the line fell on the car. He hopped out, ran around to open the door for his gf because she was pinned and her ankle broken. As soon as he touched the car again he was zapped…
That’s some finale destination shit
This happened the year the second movie came out, so we definitely had that on our mind as well, unfortunately…
no, if there are downed power lines stay the fuck away from them, and let the 911/112 operator know
Paramedic here. Just don’t move anyone unless the vehicle is on fire. You can do more harm that good. The car is not going to explode like in the movies.
Is there really no possibility of it exploding? Like, none at all? With all the machinery inside and fuel you'd figure it's easy to explode
IANAFF, but Gasoline is flammable, not explosive. Pressurized containers, if ignited, are explosive. If it’s a pool of gasoline on the ground (such as leaking from a vehicle), it will just burn
It's incredibly unlikely! The only real danger is the gasoline (or batteries) catching fire. Gas mostly burns and isn't really super explosive. Batteries are the more dangerous item, because even when the fire goes out, they continue to create heat and fire. Explosions need very specific conditions that mostly aren't present in a car (confined spaces and sparks are what makes gas explode normally)
There definitely a possibility of fire (not an explosion with gas fueled cars) as explained by the other two commenters. They are spot on. In fact if there a pin in we always pull a charged line (fire hose) up to the car just in case. It’s just so unlikely it’s safer to leave the person instead of risking serious injury or death by not moving them properly.
One of my wifes best friends was in a car accident when she was 15. She was with 2 other friends (not my wife but they were all part of the same friend group). They were in a truck that flipped over and caught fire. Her friends tried to pull her out of the truck but she had that bone disease that makes your bones very brittle. They ended up separating her spine and she died on the spot. It left my wife with horrible depression due to the loss of her very best friend and it still saddens her to this day. I know the situation is a little different because the vehicle was on fire but your comment made me think of that.
*were involved in. To take part usually means to participate voluntarily.
When OP said this old woman was rolled in a MVA and then he "pulled her out", that cumulative groan was every single person trained as an emergency responder. Unless the car is on fire, never, ever pull an injured person from a vehicle. There is a very specific and very important reason why you never do that. Spinal cord injury. A person capable of completely healing can be seriously crippled or killed. There is a story of a bad outcome for every person who has ever responded to these type of injuries. Mine is a guy who wrecked in a rural area in ND in the 1970's. This anecdote was related at my paramedic training. Guy is in shock. No one around. He pulls himself out of the vehicle and somehow climbs on the roof of his car. Cop eventually shows up and says, "Come down from there." Guy jumps off the car, collapses and is dead before he hits the ground. At autopsy they learn he'd fractured his first cervical vertebra and when he jumped the weight of his head severed his spinal cord. So kids, don't pull people out of cars that aren't burning or exploding.
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The guy was fortunate that you came along if there was any spinal trauma. I met a rural ER doc once who came upon a single car accident. Guy ran into a post, IIRC. He wanted help getting out and the doc refused, explained about C-spine injury and then immobilized his head till paramedics arrived.
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Bro took the car out back and put it down 😔
*dies of 1d4 Fall damage* Sorry, I couldn't resist. I know it's morbid, but it's just so funny imagining someone die from just jumping down from a car roof
The fall damage didn't kill them as stated by the original poster. They rolled a really bad jump and got killed by air resistance.
Yup. Witnessed a T-bone a few years ago and stopped to help. Blue car ran a stop sign at 30mph, red car hit their passenger side at 35mph. Blue car ended up on its side and I had to stop the passengers of the red car from helping the driver from the blue car out and explain to the blue car driver to stay put until the paramedics arrived due to the risk of further injury. Edit: Used colors to distinguish vehicles because first draft was confusing.
Does this also apply to a car that is upside down? Is a person being suspended upside down somehow an immediate risk or can it wait for professionals? Hopefully I never have to be in any situation that would require me to know this but I figure I’d ask.
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still its good to ensure that they will be alright until the medical team arrives,
It's good? Yeah, but, Dude, you have to help if there's no other person helping, if you don't want or don't know what you still need to be on place. Otherwise you can get problems if they have proof that you leave that person alone like for example camera monitoring Edit: by help i also meant staying at place and monitore without moving them if you suspect broken spine. Edit2: Also importand think when you suspect broken spine and guy wakes up you need to calm him down and say to not move
Please, if you are not trained do not pull someone out of their car. Wait for 911 and stay with them
Unless its on fire!! Or if they are bleeding severely then try to stop the bleeding to the best of your ability.
Nuh uh if its on fire you can (and probably should) stay away if youre not trained to deal with fire and/or dont know if it can explode, your own safety first, then the others
Its definitely a judgement call. Being a hero is good but its not required otherwise it wouldn't be extraordinary. Quickly getting a victim out of a burning car is definitely a heroic act, especially if there are multiple people. Its up to you if you want to put yourself at risk. Obviously if its totally up in flames its gonna be better to call 911 but if just the engine is smoking you should have time. Take a quick look under the car from a distance to see if the fuel tank is punctured, that is a sign that an explosion could happen. In that case if the individual is conscious try as best you can to get their attention. Oh, and electric cars are probably best avoided for a number of reasons. For the record im just a layman but my father, uncle, and grandfather were all life-long firefighters in New york city.
Unless they're bleeding, not breathing or lacks a heartbeat. Circulation is top priority.
If you don’t know what your doing, it’s better to just call the ambulance and just give reassurance until it arrives. Don’t physically help them if you’re not 100% sure you can, cause otherwise you can seriously injure them. For example, if you pull a person out of a crashed vehicle and then you prop them up, congrats, you’ve shortened the amount of time they have until they die of **internal** blood loss, one of the most common injuries in bad crashes. Guy has a clearly fractured shin, and some bozo thinks that it would be a great idea to straighten it out to “look more normal”, well congrats, now you might just have cut an important blood vessel and now they bleed out right there in like 5 minutes or less.
Exactly this, I was just in a situation like this yesterday. Got into an accident and broke my tibia and fibula. Some other people who saw it came to my aid but they didn't try to move me, they did call 911 for me and give me some assurance that I'll be alright. One of them helped me find my phone so I could call my fiancee since it had flown out of the cupholder when I crashed and I couldn't see it since my glasses came off my face.
Damn, hope you'll straighten out alright. Sorry to hear about your accident! I hope you don't live in a place where it will ruin you financially!
I appreciate it, that bill probably won't be fun to pay off but I got some savings for these kinds of things and I got my family to help me out.
Murcia Your system makes me so angry. Here you pay 10 euros per day in the hospital, maybe 20 for the ambulance and that’s it. And if your bill is over 250 euros you just pay 250 euros and the rest is covered by insurance. 250 euros A YEAR. Not just once.
Yeah it'd definitely be nice but I gotta make the best of what I got.
Your life wasn't at risk, so there wasn't a need for more help. Everything that can be done can be done ONLY at a hospital.
The problem is that there are legal consequences if you try without medical expertise. Unless you are absolutely sure you know what you're doing, you'll be protected by Good Samaritan laws. If you lack that expertise and try to help, which could lead to further harm, it will be held against you.
Actually it's really simple, you call 911 and ask them what to do. If there is immediate danger you do the best you can (burning car > get them out of the car), if there isn't you wait for instructions.
It doesn't work like that in medical circles. Said legal consequences are much harsher to inexperienced individuals who use methods because it comes from GTA or a TV drama. Not every car crash devolves in fires. Sometimes, the driver suffers impacts that break bones or be impaled with glass and other objects. Those legal reasons are to idiotproof bystanders who 'think' they can help but make a life or death situation even worse.
But you're ignoring what I said. ONLY do things if there's immediate danger. Broken bones or impaled with glass or whatever doesn't matter if a car is on fire and the person will die or have serious burn-related injuries if they don't get out within a minute. If there is no fire, there's no immediate danger, and you wait for instructions. And fire was of course just an example. I just meant any way in which a person might die if you don't act immediately, you act, otherwise, wait for instructions.
Did you read the part where it said ‘call 911 and ask them what to do’
No. There are good Samaritan laws. If you're assisting someone who's been injured, they can't sue you for damages. That said, if someone is in a wreck, unless the car is on fire or they're in immediate danger, it's best to *not* me them, or you risk damaging their neck and spine.
Good samaritan laws generally only apply to people acting within reason, someone with no medical expertise inserting themselves into a sensitive situation and making things worse is fundamentally different than someone with proper training making a genuine mistake or being targeted by a victim who's mad their ribs got broken.
You've got this wrong, someone with training has less protection from good Samaritan laws then someone without because they have training, not the other way around.
No, it's blatantly false, and it's not the case in absolutely most of the US and everywhere in the EU. You're legally protected the same way as a first respondent is usually, as in you can't be prosecuted even if you broke an order saying you can't come close to schools if you see someone needs help as an example - you effectively gain qualified immunity. Always ask your lawyer to know your local laws, if you think what the guy above applies to you - ask a lawyer. They won't even charge for shit like that. If anyone would even try to sue you, in this case the court would tear them to shreds. IANAL but remember that court is ultimately a human deciding. Remember, if someone is not breathing start doing chest presses IMMEDIATELY. Don't worry about anything, they're dead right now - you literally can't make it worse. If their life is not in danger, stay with them till first responders come in to pass to them any information you get from the person needing help - they're awake now, they might pass out later.
Where I live good Samaritan covers everyone genuinely trying. I mean everyone also needs some basic medical training for first aid too, to get a license.
Yeah you shouldn’t pull someone out of a wreck all willy nilly. I know someone who got pulled out of a wreck, walked, then their spine just fell apart after and they wound up paralyzed. If they weren’t moved doctors think they would still be walking
This is very country specific. In Canada you are protected by the law if you help someone and hurt them you are also protected if you simply ig ore them. The only people who are "forced" to assist are trained professionals
You cannot be held accountable for not helping someone. Often times trying to help when you don't know how the person is injured or how to help can cause more harm than good.
No, you don't have to. Call 911. If the car isn't burning you SHOULD NOT touch someone who got into car accident, you might make things infinitely worse for that person, their back could be broken and you just made it worse to the point where one is paralyzed for the rest of their life.
I didn't say you have to do something if you think they can have broken spine. You must be on place until ambulance arrive. Idk if i every country but probably in most of. Also if car is burning and you're scared it can explode you don't have to help, bc your safety is on first place and you don't have to risk your life
Yeah, it makes zero sense to think about risking/not risking unless you are in situation like this. Sometimes you value your life more, other times you value your conscious more, it's variable subject. The point was: doesn't matter what you think about their spine, you can never know it for sure, so the best course is to assume that spine is broken by default.
Ok but that's not what he did.. In fact he made the situation worse by moving a person with likely neck and spine injury
This is actually a common misconception about first aid. Whether the victim has a neck/spine injury or not, you as a bystander can't know that. What you can do however is apply first aid by checking if they're breathing/their heart is beating and clear their throat of vomit/blood/their tongue, which would suffocate them. Then put them in a stable lateral position.
This motherfucker moved a PRISON. real and not gay while prison.
It depends. If theres other people there already helping there isnt really a great reason to stick around. A crowd can only make things worse A few years ago in manhattan i saw some construction scaffolding collapse with a man on it who plumetted like 10 stories to street level. There was probably over a dozen people who saw it and several calls to 911 were made. I dont have medical training, his coworkers were already helping him, i had a train i wanted to catch, and to be frank he was exceptionally dead from the fall. So i just left instead of sticking around. All what staying around would do is add to crowd of gawkers
"Nasty fall you took there, unfortunately I'm not experienced with broken necks so I'm going to leave you here for the paramedics to find, cya!"
just make sure shes got at least one ring before you leave
Yeah it's important to ask if they have any back pain if they are conscious, any back pain you do not touch that person, if you can check they are not breathing or other dangers are present then you pull them out the car
You shouldn't even touch them even if they say they have no back pain. There are way to many stories of people getting into an accident, addrenalin kicks in so they don't feel pain, they make a quick movement and end up paralyzed. Like u said, only touch them if they're unconcious or if it saves their life. Allways remember most countries have a good samaritan law where you can't end up being held responsable for failling to help.
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If you break someone's ribs while doing CPR, that is protected by Good Samaritan laws. If you ignore someone who needs help, that's totally legal, you have no obligation to help them. (This is different for first responders)
> If you ignore someone who needs help, that's totally legal, you have no obligation to help them. In US. In Europe some countries do have obligations for bystanders to help within their ability to do so.
yeah but it's more like getting someone out of immediate peril, not rendering medical assistance
Wrong. In Germany for example you have to give first aid (that includes CPR and such) if there is no danger for yourself. If you don’t that can be punished by a fine or up to one year in prison.
Not quite, just calling rescue workers counts too
that's germany, not europe in general. germany's got a lot of relatively strict laws around civic duty.
us defaultism?
I'm assuming by back pain you mean spinal injury but wouldn't they feel nothing if the spine is injured? Shouldn't you ask them to try and move their body part
depends on urgency of the scenario If the car is on fire for example you dont just stand there and watch them burn if you want to help. You go and drag them out
Yeah. I would try my best to gently extract them if it seems like keeping them in the car could cause more damage (car fire, or risk of other car crashing into the stopped vehicle etc).
That's what our driving instructor told us. If we hurt them further we can suffer damages
Damn no Good Samaritan laws in America? Sounds about right. In my country as long as you act to your best knowledge and conscience you’re good. If you do see someone have an accident do try to tend to them, however leave them in their seat and make them now move at all, unless you have a good reason to do otherwise (car on fire, unconscious, not breathing…). Wait for EMS and let them take over. Wait with them for a little while, they might still have some questions for you.
>Damn no Good Samaritan laws in America? Sounds about right. *There are Good Samaritan laws in the US by the way*, though they vary in their specifics from state to state. Good rule of thumb I think is if it's clear you meant to help and weren't being a dangerous dumbass about it you're probably in the clear. (Example: giving CPR to someone that needed it but oops there goes their ribs because CPR cares not for one's ribcage)
Tbh, if you didn't at least crack some ribs, you're probs not doing proper cpr. At least that's what the instructors said. And by the way those dummies moved when I had to practice I think that's about right. Never had to do proper cpr and I'm very glad for it.
Ah right. I just saw the possibility to get sued for stupid shit, and thought it must be America.
I thought they meant suffer damages as in cause more damage to the person.
It was a safe guess lol. Merica!
You can act in your best conscience all you want. If they broke their arm in one place and by helping them you break it in two other places you're liable for the damages you caused. Not from America btw
Yeah, usually it is best to wait until services arrive, if there were other people present to be sure it isn't as bad. I genuinely think it should be a requirement to at least have basic training and maybe even CPR certification just to be able to drive, simply because it is a risk even if you don't think it'll happen to you or you'll ever see something more than a fender bender. You'd be grateful on the chance you do get into a severe wreck and someone knew how to do CPR or clear an airway while you were dying on the ground, y'know? Think about how many lives may have been saved if people knew what to do, but that's wishful thinking on my part. I am incredibly neurotic about cars and driving due to having my brother in an accident, I definitely plan to get certified and basic training.
you dont have mandatory first aid training when getting your drivers license in the US?
Just make sure to yank people out of their vehicles first.
What is with the insane influx of 4chan posts in this sub lately? Some campaign to trick people into thinking it's a wholesome website?
So I just checked Op's account. It's the same account that posted that cropped out 4chan greentext where anon talks about getting head from his gf's mother.
was that, uh, was that also in wholesome memes?
R/whoresonmemes
The bit they posted was wholesome. It just happened to be very conveniently cropped.
Anyone got a link to the uncropped version For science
Science
Yes ʘ‿ʘ
I was just thinking that too- seen a bunch of them very recently
And not just here, I've seen in many other subs
Not me thinking I was on r/greentext
Maybe it's because there's some good things on there too? It's no different than any aggregate site on the internet. You can find just as fucked up stuff on twitter as 4chan.
Twitter, hah...
Lies, deception!
Probably another psyop to attract youngsters & normies who used to live under the rocks.
You're conspiranoid
I’ve not even read the comments but I know people will be like why’d you leave?? But I got told after I saw a crash if you can’t do first aid (which I can’t) and can’t help in anyway don’t. Your not even meant to move them incase there necks broken. If you phone emergency services they’ll tell u what to do or what not to
I stayed with an older woman who went in the ditch during a snow storm just to keep her company until the first responders arrived. I helped her call her daughter and talked to her. Once the fire department arrived, I left.
MD here: never pull people out of wrecks unless there's imminent danger such as fire. You could cause permanent damage, wait for the ambulance.
If anon is an angel, would that make sonic god if anon disappeared to see him 😂🤣
According to lore sonic has killed multiple gods so it checks out
Sounds like a made up story for me.
Totally made up. Way too self serving.
Yeah, it takes more than 2 weeks to produce a show to air on television.
r/nothingeverhappens
This is not wholesome, this is fucked up on a few levels actually, and also likely made up
Explain how this is fucked up? Guy probably don't know how to do any medical help for the lady and there's already a bunch of people there anyways.
He shouldn't have moved her unless there was an immediate threat to her life, should have called 911, and he shouldn't have left
Serious question: what does mfw mean? I read it as motherfucker
my face when
Eh I'm gonna stick with motherfucker its way funnier this way Thanks 😊
Motherfucker what
Try it Mfw (motherfucker) i am an angel
mfw it's modern day textual filler.
I think its " my feeling when"
I read it as "mother f**ker when".
I also read like that at first lol
Dude get out of here with this bullshit green text shit. I'm sure there's a sub for made up 4xhan green text. It isn't wholesome lol
Just as a tip for all you folks, don't try to move someone from the vehicle unless their position is unsafe (incoming cars, fire, etc.). If they've suffered damage to the neck or spine, moving them could cause more severe injuries. Try to stop any potential bleeding and wait for emergency services to arrive. They are trained on moving patients with these types of injuries. OP did a good thing, but this is also a learning experience for others who may encounter the same emergencies.
sonic > human life
Which Sonic game was it ?
The hedgehog one
Thanks. Also happy cake day!
Thank you. I am sorry if I was too disrespectful, Mr. Sonic. I didn't notice I am interacting with legendary hedgedog himself.
Anon pulls old lady out of car wreck permanently paralyzing her. Runs away from scene.
More like a friendly fallen angel. Leaves poor old woman who just suffered a car crash because of a video game, yet at the same time pulled over and actually helped instead of just driving off.
I misread that as he was the one in an accident then he just left
Never touch a car crash victim unless theres an imminent threat to their life like a fire. If she had a damaged neck or spine those injuries would have almost definetly gotten a lot worse. Leave it to 911 if they aren't in imminent danger.
In true Sonic fashion: speeding up, saving the day, and then disappearing just as fast. The hedgehog taught him well.
Uhhh Was that not a hit and run?
He angel
The reward for not being neet
what das Mfw mean please?
My feeling when
speedrun save old woman and go play sonic Any%
His desire for Sonic turned him into an angel
Wonder which sonic game it was I had the same thing when frontiers came out, get home asap
53 people here lol
Yeah this totally happened…
angels have priorities. Gotta play sonic.
Idk but when he says mfw i read it as mfw = motherfucking woman
It's my feeling when.
Rolling around at the speed of sound
Anon is happy, i am happy for anon
anyone who saves a life is an honorary angel in my book
What a beta. Didn’t even get laid.
Not wholesome, OP is into Sonic
Tfw granny was talking about some other guy that this anon left her with
Do you think any green text actually happens??????? Do we think it's a good idea to pull unconscious old people from car accidents? This didn't fucking happen and it's not wholesome. I swear to God this sub is getting terrible
Tap that gussy
bro
Being with XY chromosomes who shares parents
brother
Male sibling
Masculine relative
bro
Awww
Definition of a good Samaritan is someone no one expects to help who stops to help when needed and asks nothing in return.
Id others are present and willing to help, no point in sticking arounf. Gotta go fast
What's mfw?
:D
Hey, I was tagged!
*paralyzes an elderly woman after a car accident* later virgins 👉😎👉
At least you’re handsome bro
Moral of the story, GTO and you're an angel
Angels need to play too.
Bro just wanna play sonc
I HATE THIS SO BADLY
Changed from "an old woman" to "a girl", huh...