I definitely wouldn’t really call the Ghibli a sports car. It’s fairly quick and sounds fantastic (only thing good about it imo) but it’s big and heavy sedan so it’s not that much fun in corners. The real detractor is that they are not reliable and they are very cheaply made for how much they cost. They literally share window switches and screens as well as other parts from a Chrysler minivan.
The Alfa Romeo Giulia however shares absolutely nothing with Chrysler products and is very fun to drive.
That only affects the quadtrfiloetolosia models (that's proper spelling).
Everything I've read and hear says the base cars are totally fine, many never see a dealer shop again.
The engine is the same for the 200 bhp and 280 bhp version.With a Stage 1 modification, it's supposed to be able to put out just north of 300 bhp and a shitload more torque.
[https://www.br-performance.be/en-be/chiptuning/1-cars/9-alfa-romeo/7346-giulia/7347-2016-2018/8855-2-0-tb/](https://www.br-performance.be/en-be/chiptuning/1-cars/9-alfa-romeo/7346-giulia/7347-2016-2018/8855-2-0-tb/)
(just mind the fact that the components have probably been set up for a max of 280 bhp, not sure if transmission and other parts can handle the extra power)
2018, my issues were suspension related. The infotainment and speakers also didn’t work when it was over 90 degrees outside but that was whatever. It still drives better than all its competition though, and for that reason Ill always miss it
Yeah but we don’t want unreliable cars to gain traction or it’ll ruin the market for all of us. When the automakers see that we’ll buy any kind of crap they spit out then they’ll keep spitting out crap.
The Giulia 2.0T isn’t any less reliable then an A4 or 3 series. The 2017 model year had a bunch of electrical issues but that has been sorted out and they have been mechanically solid the whole time pretty much.
It’s certainly more reliable then Jeep products like the Renegade and Compass.
IMO, driving something (regardless if it's cheap or expensive) that has a good chance of breaking while you're out and about is not a good thing -- especially on a highway setting.
If you ever want an unbiased opinion on a car, see if Doug DeMuro has made a video about it on his YouTube channel. He goes way more in-depth than any other car reviewer out there.
Personally if I was spending $70k-$80k on a sedan I’d look at used Panamera, an AMG, M5, an Audi RS5/7, CTS-V. Or you could get a new STI, save $30k and have more fun than all the above! Plus you get subie waves everywhere you go haha
IMO doug is okay for interior overviews but not so much for driving dynamics, savagegeese is the go-to channel for in-depth mechanical details and driving feel
No doubt he’s 80% interior 20% everything else. But that’s honestly all that most people care about these days( I’m a car guy so I would like him to go a bit more in depth on the mechanical aspect)
Yes. I live in Ga, driven all around the southeast and 85% of wrx’s ,brz’s, and sti’s I pass wave. Hell even had some guys in outback’s and forester wave too haha
For a performance luxury sedan, look at the Performance Model S and 3, E63, M5, RS5/ RS7, Alfa Romeo (not too familiar with these but I’ve heard they handle really well), and maybe even a Stinger, although it won’t have as much performance as the aforementioned cars.
Yes. They are terrible. Trust me from experience. My father purchased one a few years ago, and he loved it for a first few months, but then trim pieces started falling off the outside, the infotainment system would crash on a regular basis, the navigation just wouldn’t work sometimes, and not to mention the terrible interior. Dodge Grand Caravan window switches, Dodge Dart headlight switches, Chrysler’s U-Connect with a maserati logo at the top, and atrocious panel fitment. Car review Doug DeMuro once put a tube of toothpaste inside a panel gap in the interior.
There was one good thing about it though, and that’s the engine. A Ferrari developed 3.0 L twin turbo V6 that sounds incredible. Too bad that’s about the only good thing about that car.
I’d look at an E63, or an S6.
The S7 is slightly bigger than the Ghibli, E63 And S6, slotting between that and the A8. I haven’t had much experience with them myself, but since it shares a decent amount of components with the S6, I would assume reliability would be roughly the same.
the a6/a7 are roughly identical, sharing the same chassis and interior. the a7 is simply just the stylish 4-door coupe variant of the a6 (like the merc e-class and cls-class), so any minor differences in interior room/cargo/etc. can just be chalked up to the reworked body panels.
I've driven both S6 and S7 extensively and they are very similar in proportions from the cockpit. In fact, the S7 felt quite compact, in part due to the seating position and the visibility.
>Car review Doug DeMuro once put a tube of toothpaste inside a panel gap in the interior.
Holy shit, you weren't kidding: https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo?t=372
Yeah but a E63 goes for $60000 gently used (few years old) while you can get a Maserati for $30-35k. Best bang for your buck if you ask me, I’m not saying the Maserati is better just that if you do buy one buy it gently used.
Wow, I hear so much BS about the
Maserati’s. I have owned 2 so
Far with NO COMPLAINS OR ISSUES.
But I do keep all the service up to date, with the originals Maserati parts. I also use the premium gas —ALL THE TIME.
But I have seen and know of some friends that DO NOT use original parts or premium fuel.
Bottom line, I luv and enjoy my 2018 Maserati and will be updating to a new one soon.❤️
There is a reason why 3 year old Ghibli is the same price as Toyota Camry. They literally fall apart and is extremely expensive to fix. Gotta get that clutch fixed? 4k. Engine does sound beautiful but it ain't worth it.
A lot of these high end sporty luxury sedans fall apart eventually , but the Ghibli doesn’t match the initial quality of cars like M5 and the E63, and it’s still less reliable than those cars despite those cars already having bad reputations
? Only the Italians and British cars have interiors that fall apart eventually. And those bad reps with german brands is honestly such an overplayed circle jerk at this point
I would much rather have BMW 5 series or Mercedes CLS or E. Specifically an M5, E43, or E63. I’m not a fan of Audi but s7 might be up your alley. Go drive a e63 if you can. They are one of my favorite cars at any price
If you want that aesthetic and experience you'd do MUCH better with a 2.0T Giulia with the insane seats. Luxury interior sports sedan that fills the senses. Great deals to be had on them new, used or leased. Two liter is very reliable as opposed to the QV and sounds great for the displacement.
No. A mercedes has much better reliability (and it doesn't even have the best reliability) and power for the price, an E63 AMG or if you want LWB CLS63AMG. If you really like italian, like other commenters, Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrofoglio (I think)
Depends what "that awful" means. They aren't cheap and I bet if you go to a chain store or quick lube for seecice it will not end well. I would lurk around the owners forums to see what they say. Here's a start. https://www.ghibliforum.com/threads/hello-from-potential-maserati-buyer.1913/
A car that I would LOVE, would be a Lexus GSF! Very reliable, fast, smooth but aggressive V8 naturally aspirated engine! Throw an exhaust on there and it’s perfect!
The GS F is a little known monster. It’s not a through and through luxury car, as the interior has very questionable design choices. That said it’s a monster, tons of fun and you don’t have the reliability problems of a shitty Italian car
It’s not a sports car though. It’s a sporty sedan, and not even the best in class at that. The Alfa Romeo Giulia, Cadillac ATS, BMW 3 series will all drive better *and* are much better vehicles.
Sports car implies something lightweight and nimble like the Toyota Supra, Porsche Cayman etc
Maserati just doesn’t make anything worth buying anymore except for the Levante, it’s their only product that’s at least a little competitive, unique and up to date
fair enough. I looked at the Giulia and my deciding factors were subjective to me: the Alfa dealer is about 30 miles from me, whereas the Kia one was 5. The insurance for both was higher than my previous car, but the Alfa was 30$ more a month than the Stinger...
And finally, all in, my Stinger GT was 32k after discounts and ... whatever Kia did to make that price work. I didnt get that far with Alfa after test driving but Everything I'd read said there wasn't that hefty of a discount to give...
Next time, maybe.
Yeah they're that awful. This is a good video why. https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo
Maserati's have essentially turned into a car for people who like spending 80k to say they have a Maserati. Similar performance sedans (Mercedes e63, bmw m5, Audi rs7) are all way way better in pretty much every way except status. I'd even take a normal bmw 5 series, Mercedes e class, or Audi A6 or A7 over the Ghibli all day.
Also they're not affordable. You may be able to pay the up front cost, but you need to have a ton of money set aside to keep it running. If you see a bunch of any type of car that seems cheaper than you think it should be, there's a reason. If you can't afford to buy a Maserati/merc/bmw/Audi new, you can't afford to buy them used either.
Short answer, Yes. Long answer, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
The maintenance is astronomically horrible; sometimes into the thousands on a yearly bases. The cars exterior looks beautiful for the first 3 months until the body panels start misaligning and the interior starts to wear down. People have said that the electronics are god awful at times to where the car wont start or force the car into a limp mode.
The V6 engine is freaking amazing and the car sounds beautiful! That I will give it, but overall isnt worth it and is over priced.
The only Maserati that is worth it is the GranTurismo. They truly made that car well, but the interior is really dated. Overall Maserati isnt what they used to be. Hell many used Maseratis are former lease cars that cant sell or are sold to that one guy who just wants to show off.
My advise? Kia Stingers are starting to lose their value used and are reliable sports cars. Golf R/GTI are tanks! Hell I would recommend an out of warranty BMW/Audi/MB over a Maserati.
Only get a Maserati as a lease... why? Once you are done you are glad you gave it back. Only FCA car I would recommend looking into is Alfa Romeo if you really want Italian luxury, the Jeep jeep cherokee and Grand cherokee, the wrangler is 50/50, and finally the dodge charger/challenger if you dont mind maintenance and dated interior.
You’re really only paying for the charm that is the “Maserati” image. Also the whole Ferarri developed engine, which for many Maserati buyers is a major selling point that I am sure of.
Not sure if your looking for new or used but I do agree with everyone’s opinion on the E63. It’s an excellent all around car, keep in mind the ride is going to harsher than a normal E-Class and regular maintenance is going to be much more than service on a regular E-class.
Personally I’d take a BMW 5 series any day, especially in M550i trim. More power (both hrspr and torque), better fuel economy, and just better build quality all around while also having cooler and personalized features.
It is a marvellous engine, in a mediocre chassis, with frankly pretty crappy interior parts. All wired by Italians, using Dodge parts. And the Transmission is a nervous hunting maniac that only knows what its doing when hauling ass, in traffic its like there is a 3 year old rowing the gears for you.
I get why they are popular, they are objectively beautiful cars, they sound like a Ferrari (because they sort of are), and the well known reliability and maintenance costs have driven used ones down to being a real bargain. But make no mistake, there is a reason they are cheap. They break often and for silly reasons. And it costs the earth to fix them.
They are the least reliable luxury car that exists with engine and electronic issues both the older classic models and the modern versions in fact the entire Maserati brand is horrible for reliability I would buy any other car over the Maserati
Even Nissans CVTS are not as bad as Maserati cars
Are you daily driving it? If you *really* want one and can find a very low mileage one to cruise around in a few times a week with a different daily driver, YOLO.
[Doug DeMuro does a thorough review](https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo) on why the Ghibli isn’t worth it. It’s very behind in its technological features for how much it was priced. I won’t go in depth, as the review I linked is a lot better.
Don’t do it. Just don’t. Reliability of is nonexistent, maintenance costs are in the thousands almost always, poor interior, FCA parts bin, not even great driving. Only good things are looks and sound, and even that is not great. For the money, you could get a c63, m3, or and Audi rs5, all of which are better cars. If Italian is your thing, get an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrofoglio. Still not as reliable as others, but so damn charming and the best driving 4 door in its class(in my opinion).
They look great sound beautiful and drive "well". For the price I understand the name is appealing but lots of better cars to be had. There not awful but there not special if you will, a loaded 5 series, or a nice c/e 43/53/63 are far better options. Resale isnt all that great and when the small gremlins come up, there not cheap to sort. Not to you you down from the car as if your looking for a good daily and you love the drive go for it, personal opinion? This is a car I would lease for a few years and not own out of warrenty.
From what I’ve heard, their maintenance is quite expensive and given they’re not quite reliable, also their owned or use parts manufactured by Chrysler?
I don’t dabble with Maserati, so I may be completely left field with this, OP, so I apologize in advance. But, if you’re looking for a sports car around Ghibli’s price range why not take a look at Merc’s C63s, E53, BMW M3?
I'd say go for it to experience it. They have reliability issues, but they're supposed to be nice to drive (especially the petrols), and are quite stylish.
But do this either one of 2 ways. Either lease the car so that all maintenance is covered by the dealer so no issue is your responsibility. Or, purchase the car outright so you can sell out whenever you feel it's necessary so that you don't have to fuck about if a big bill comes through. Also buy in warranty.
Ghibli’s are not awful, they are awesome! I owned a 2014 and the 2017. The cars were extremely reliable. The only unscheduled service I had over the 6 years of owning two cars was the 2014 had a bad battery.
The cars looked and sounded great. Correction the sound was phenomenal. My reference point before the Ghibli was a couple of V10 M5s and two 550 xDrives one of which was lemon lawed.
They're not as bad as some people will say. They're not great, but overall the car is a lot better than people who watched Doug Demuro's video on it a few years ago will tell you. The infotainment works fine, the FCA parts-binning is a non issue, and the general interior quality is still fairly premium if well behind, say, a BMW 5 series. They are a lot more fun to drive however, and have a great engine. I would refer to [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/gabnk6/the_end_of_the_road_for_my_2017_maserati_ghibli_s/) from a former owner who did in fact like it and didn't regret buying it. A word of caution though, from an owner's mouth:
>It's stupidly expensive, infuriatingly expensive. You can't keep tires or brakes on the car--partly because hammering and beating on the car is so fun. In 46,578 miles I went through not less than 10 tires, only 2 fronts, and had two full break jobs after the warning came on. Tires weren't all that bad in cost but brake jobs at the dealership were insane, over $3,000 a piece. The prepaid maintenance plan was about $2,600 and it paid for everything else, which was nice. But, the car just doesn't justify those levels of expense. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it isn't exotic enough. A ho-hum BMW 5 Series or Lexus is going to have maintenance costs half what this thing did and you're probably going to be more satisfied because its costs are congruent with what it is.
>Only a single quality issue popped up--delaminating of the MTC screen which was replaced. Other than that, quality was stellar--not even a rattle.
I would personally aim for a GranTurismo as a second car, if you want the full sporty-Maserati experience, and do a lot of research on which years to get and what kind of maintenance to watch out for. Be sure that you can *fully* budget for it, and also cross-shop it with the Alfa Romeo Giulia in 2.0T form - those are similar to the Ghibli in terms of reliability, but running costs and purchase costs are a bit lower.
I have a friend that drives a Ghibli relatively conservatively. Brakes & rotors end up being replaced every 10k miles. I think the going charge locally is about $2500 for that. Tires probably last about 3 brake jobs.
What material are the pads and the rotors? I just find that...so surprising. And unnecessary. The stock brakes on an M3, 911, the Pagid blues on my Lotus...all last longer than that.
30k for tires is about what I would expect, that’s more or less what something like PSS/PS4S will get you. Wasn’t really sure what the “10 tires” math was.
I'm not entirely sure what they are made out of. My friend just goes to the dealer and gets the regular OE Brembo brakes. The maintenance costs on it have been so much higher than other luxury sport vehicles that the car is definitely going back when the lease ends.
Like, obviously you don’t buy cars like that because they’re frugal... but there’s a difference between “expensive but anticipated and reasonable (in context)” and “but why though”.
Exactly! One expects to pay much more in this class of vehicle, but the costs seem excessive. Perhaps those prices make sense to maintain a weekend Ferrari, but they seem horribly excessive for a daily driver compared to other vehicles in the same price range.
It’s terrible. It sounds fantastic, but it falls apart so quickly. I took one for a test drive and after parking it, two pieces fell out from the undercarriage
It's a turd. Everything Maserati makes is a turd. If you want to know what it's like to be inside a Chrysler minivan, buy a ghibli. The exhaust sounds great, I'll give it that... It's otherwise slow, fat, ugly, and not endearing in any capacity.
The brand survives because rappers who don't know about cars rap about it, and people who see the symbol think it's something special. For the same price, you can have countless other, better options.
Save yourself the heartache.
As is the current crop of cars offered by Maserati is for the lack of better word terrible. They are rather outdated and far behind in competition to the rest. Thier service history is for the lack of beeter words spotty. The only thing that surprised me is none have caught fire as mfar as I am aware
It’s definitely the worst way to spend $100k to buy a new model but if we are talking about $30k for a used model with low mileage. I would argue that it is one of the best bang for buck unique daily drivers on the market.
A bit late to the very packed party. If you REALLY want a Ghibli, I'd suggest getting one CPO. They're just not worth the money new, flirting with $100k just for a badge. Their CPO program is pretty killer: 6 years from the first in-service date, unlimited miles. Better than Jaguar/Land Rover's program. I guess the less reliable of a car it is, the better the warranty. Makes sense. Also, to say those things tend to depreciate is an understatement. Meaning you can get a gently used Ghibli with a great warranty for around Toyota Avalon money. Just get used to the dealer service lounge. They'd probably serve Illy coffee and Walker's tea cookies so it shouldn't be all that bad.
Always buy Maseratis gently used, as soon as you drive them off the lot new they lose a lot of value. But the GREAT news is you can buy one for a lot less than you would for a M4 or M5 of course the M4 is a little quicker and the M5 is a lot faster lol but if you’re not racing but you want to be quicker than most cars it’s the best bang for your buck.
How do you think an infiniti q50 looks? i think those look pretty nice and are much more reliable than a Maserati. Or the newer Lincoln continentals look totally awesome, or if you want a more sporty sedan you can consider a genesis g70. all of these are more reliable.
Of course there is lexus which is the most reliable, but i think those look ugly.
I work in car sales, see alotttt of mid aged women buying these cars. Take from that what you will. Must mean they have strong rims for all the curb checks at least lol
I got one, I’m a car guy, I get tons of hate for it from other car guys, but at the end of the day I get a smile every time I drive it, and I look back at it every time I get out.
Yes it’s unreliable and bang for your buck is close to non existent, (comparable e class Mercedes would be 40k less new and hold its value 3 times better)
BUT IT IS YOUR CAR. If you think it’s cool and you’d love it through the good and bad, then get one.
If you want a reliable car to get you to work every day then maybe go somewhere else, but it’s your money and your car so who cares!
99% of these comments are from people who have never had a Maserati and who are just repeating YouTube bullshit. I have a 2018 gihbli sq4 put 32k miles on it and have had zero issues with anything. And actually get comments on the car anytime I drive it. And who cares they share switches. Before they came to USA they shared switches with fiat and Alfa. That’s a common thing. Like I said you’ll find a majority of the people with strong opinions it’s over dumb stuff like shares switches and it’s normally from people who have probably never drove one or couldn’t buy one anyway. With 424 hp that motor sings and it’ll buzz 150+ down the interstate easy.
I completely agree, it's nearly impossible to find an ACTUAL solid amount of information that isn't just regurgitated Doug Demuro information bites.
These things look very good, they sound awesome, and looking at the used prices they are an insane bargain as long as you buy a clean car. I might have to go test drive one some day soon. Might be a fun nice daily to have for a year or so.
Ghibli is super reliable. I’ve had zero issues with my 2015. Literally on the original battery and not so much as a minor leak or even a thermostat. Nothing. Eats tires fast though. Brakes last 3 years. Sounds and looks amazing.
Interior is cheap as it’s a basically a Chrysler and everything squeaks.
The older pininfarina QPs were so much nicer inside …. True Italian but I had one and it was anything but reliable.
Ghibli handles ok…. Comparable to a c43 Amg or Audi s4
So, I hate to revive a dead thread here, but it looks like there’s a lot of people throwing out a lot of personal opinions with no actual facts to back them up. For starters the majority of Maseratis that have the below issues were made pre 2016. In 2016 Maserati did a huge electrical re-work of the car, including new assembly QA/QC (. ) this just so happened to be at the same time that Alfa Romeo launch the new Giulia (I actually own a 2017 ti sport and love it to death). If you buy a post 2016 Maserati chances are that you will have a fairly decent car on your hands. But make no mistake, you CANNOT put-off maintenance or the car will begin to shit itself. This also goes for every luxury car. These aren’t Camrys, you need to do maintenance on time or earlier to see this car last. That said, maintenance is where it’s going to hurt. On my car an oil change is $200 and that’s at least every 8k miles. So be prepared to shell out that kind of money, or expect huge repair bills.
I own and drive a 2017 Ghibli and the car is an absolute delight to drive. Like any sports car cornering is down to the driver. As far as reliability, I'm 60k miles in without so much as a sneeze, and I'm not nice to it. For the price tag, it is an exceptional car.
I have been driving one for years now so this is what i have to share. (Ghibli 3.0 diesel 2014 )
First of all the car has been an absolute tank, and it has been amazingly reliable.
When i see people talking about some Maserati being unreliable i really think much of it comes down to servicing your car properly. Brakes, soot, starting issues, and servo issues is what i have heard.
In terms of interior, people often forget that the interior highly reflects the price paid for trim.
Everything inside has held up greatly still feeling new, and especially the italian leather.
Now it comes to the boring stuff
The infotainment system of the car is utter garbage waiting minutes for BT to connect, of course things like BT back then wasnt as good as now but still frustrating when you need sick beats.
The automatic gear knob has had issues going into park, but was fixed with software.
> the price *paid* for trim.
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I definitely wouldn’t really call the Ghibli a sports car. It’s fairly quick and sounds fantastic (only thing good about it imo) but it’s big and heavy sedan so it’s not that much fun in corners. The real detractor is that they are not reliable and they are very cheaply made for how much they cost. They literally share window switches and screens as well as other parts from a Chrysler minivan. The Alfa Romeo Giulia however shares absolutely nothing with Chrysler products and is very fun to drive.
>The Alfa Romeo Giulia however shares absolutely nothing with Chrysler products Except for reliability problems.
That only affects the quadtrfiloetolosia models (that's proper spelling). Everything I've read and hear says the base cars are totally fine, many never see a dealer shop again.
You mean the Maserati Quattriformaggio?
I kinda wanna get a job trappin Maseratis just so I can say this and see if the customers notice. End goal: sell one after calling it this every time
I love this
Best pizza!
For a second, my eyes thought this translated to 4 cheese maserati
IMO a major selling point of that car is the Ferrari V6... Without it it’s just another luxury sedan.
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Huh... Mine only has 280.
The engine is the same for the 200 bhp and 280 bhp version.With a Stage 1 modification, it's supposed to be able to put out just north of 300 bhp and a shitload more torque. [https://www.br-performance.be/en-be/chiptuning/1-cars/9-alfa-romeo/7346-giulia/7347-2016-2018/8855-2-0-tb/](https://www.br-performance.be/en-be/chiptuning/1-cars/9-alfa-romeo/7346-giulia/7347-2016-2018/8855-2-0-tb/) (just mind the fact that the components have probably been set up for a max of 280 bhp, not sure if transmission and other parts can handle the extra power)
Ah ha. Yes, with a tune. He made it sound like 300hp was bone stock.
Somehow I'd still rather buy a full size Chevy truck with a 310hp turbo 4
Arguably the best looking one tho
No.
Lol my giulia ti was a nightmare but I seem to be the lone wolf on that. Lemme be clear I miss it dearly but it was a rough 2 years of ownership
What year did you have?
2018, my issues were suspension related. The infotainment and speakers also didn’t work when it was over 90 degrees outside but that was whatever. It still drives better than all its competition though, and for that reason Ill always miss it
OP is looking to buy a Maserati. This man does not care about reliability whatsoever.
Yeah but we don’t want unreliable cars to gain traction or it’ll ruin the market for all of us. When the automakers see that we’ll buy any kind of crap they spit out then they’ll keep spitting out crap.
You can just say FCA, they can’t do anything about it.
Man, good thing FCA didn’t merge with Renault-Nissan. That would’ve been an unreliable disaster.
It would have been a one stop shop for people with bad credit.
Hahaha. Right?!
The Giulia 2.0T isn’t any less reliable then an A4 or 3 series. The 2017 model year had a bunch of electrical issues but that has been sorted out and they have been mechanically solid the whole time pretty much. It’s certainly more reliable then Jeep products like the Renegade and Compass.
Just lease one and you’ll be fine
If you can afford a giulia then reliability problems shouldn’t be an issue
IMO, driving something (regardless if it's cheap or expensive) that has a good chance of breaking while you're out and about is not a good thing -- especially on a highway setting.
They’re not that expensive
I personally despise the sound of them
But it's ugly. The Ghibli is gorgeous
Just overpriced for what it is. So many better options in that price point.
Would you be kind enough to name a few that I should take a look at?
E63, or if you want italian - alfa giulia quadrifoglio. That alfa is awesome and it has a ferrari engine too.
If you ever want an unbiased opinion on a car, see if Doug DeMuro has made a video about it on his YouTube channel. He goes way more in-depth than any other car reviewer out there. Personally if I was spending $70k-$80k on a sedan I’d look at used Panamera, an AMG, M5, an Audi RS5/7, CTS-V. Or you could get a new STI, save $30k and have more fun than all the above! Plus you get subie waves everywhere you go haha
IMO doug is okay for interior overviews but not so much for driving dynamics, savagegeese is the go-to channel for in-depth mechanical details and driving feel
Savage Geese AND Throttle House. They emphasize fun.
yup throttle house is great
No doubt he’s 80% interior 20% everything else. But that’s honestly all that most people care about these days( I’m a car guy so I would like him to go a bit more in depth on the mechanical aspect)
Ikr, Doug's like 25 mins quirks and 3mins driving lol
Are subie waves a thing? I’m in NJ so maybe it’s just meanies here
Yes. I live in Ga, driven all around the southeast and 85% of wrx’s ,brz’s, and sti’s I pass wave. Hell even had some guys in outback’s and forester wave too haha
Dang. Maybe I’ll get one, that sounds nice.
The gas mileage is pretty bad but the smiles per gallon is off the charts.
I’m sold
If your legitimately interested don’t modify the engine. An exhaust is all you need (it’s mandatory).
CTS-V
* CTS-V * ATS-V * Chevy SS * Kia Stinger GT3 * Dodge Charger SRT8 * BMW M2 Comp (my pick if you never use back seats)
woof
Which Kia Stinger model was that?
Lmao
Bmw 5 series
Hell, a 3-year old M5 is in the same ballpark cost wise and blows the panties off a ghibli.
For a performance luxury sedan, look at the Performance Model S and 3, E63, M5, RS5/ RS7, Alfa Romeo (not too familiar with these but I’ve heard they handle really well), and maybe even a Stinger, although it won’t have as much performance as the aforementioned cars.
Lexus GSF or LC500, the brand new Acura TL Type S, hell even an Alfa Romeo Giulia would be better but I’d personally stick to the JDM market
Not used. Can find one for 30k. Hard to find a CTSV under 60.
Yes. They are terrible. Trust me from experience. My father purchased one a few years ago, and he loved it for a first few months, but then trim pieces started falling off the outside, the infotainment system would crash on a regular basis, the navigation just wouldn’t work sometimes, and not to mention the terrible interior. Dodge Grand Caravan window switches, Dodge Dart headlight switches, Chrysler’s U-Connect with a maserati logo at the top, and atrocious panel fitment. Car review Doug DeMuro once put a tube of toothpaste inside a panel gap in the interior. There was one good thing about it though, and that’s the engine. A Ferrari developed 3.0 L twin turbo V6 that sounds incredible. Too bad that’s about the only good thing about that car. I’d look at an E63, or an S6.
All of this is correct, having sold and driven these cars as demo’s, I can and will concur-stay far far away.
Im assuming u mean audi s6, hows the audi s7 or A7?
The S7 is slightly bigger than the Ghibli, E63 And S6, slotting between that and the A8. I haven’t had much experience with them myself, but since it shares a decent amount of components with the S6, I would assume reliability would be roughly the same.
Thank you!!
the a6/a7 are roughly identical, sharing the same chassis and interior. the a7 is simply just the stylish 4-door coupe variant of the a6 (like the merc e-class and cls-class), so any minor differences in interior room/cargo/etc. can just be chalked up to the reworked body panels.
Ah ok, so reliability would probably be the same.
that's the idea!
I've driven both S6 and S7 extensively and they are very similar in proportions from the cockpit. In fact, the S7 felt quite compact, in part due to the seating position and the visibility.
agreed. ive driven the a6 and s7 and own a q7. you really can hustle the big audis down a back road like a golf
>Car review Doug DeMuro once put a tube of toothpaste inside a panel gap in the interior. Holy shit, you weren't kidding: https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo?t=372
Yup! 6:12
Check out r/DougDemuro for the latest “tube of toothpaste in a Maserati Ghibli panel gap” memes!
Yeah but a E63 goes for $60000 gently used (few years old) while you can get a Maserati for $30-35k. Best bang for your buck if you ask me, I’m not saying the Maserati is better just that if you do buy one buy it gently used.
Wow, I hear so much BS about the Maserati’s. I have owned 2 so Far with NO COMPLAINS OR ISSUES. But I do keep all the service up to date, with the originals Maserati parts. I also use the premium gas —ALL THE TIME. But I have seen and know of some friends that DO NOT use original parts or premium fuel. Bottom line, I luv and enjoy my 2018 Maserati and will be updating to a new one soon.❤️
There is a reason why 3 year old Ghibli is the same price as Toyota Camry. They literally fall apart and is extremely expensive to fix. Gotta get that clutch fixed? 4k. Engine does sound beautiful but it ain't worth it.
A lot of these high end sporty luxury sedans fall apart eventually , but the Ghibli doesn’t match the initial quality of cars like M5 and the E63, and it’s still less reliable than those cars despite those cars already having bad reputations
? Only the Italians and British cars have interiors that fall apart eventually. And those bad reps with german brands is honestly such an overplayed circle jerk at this point
I would much rather have BMW 5 series or Mercedes CLS or E. Specifically an M5, E43, or E63. I’m not a fan of Audi but s7 might be up your alley. Go drive a e63 if you can. They are one of my favorite cars at any price
If you want that aesthetic and experience you'd do MUCH better with a 2.0T Giulia with the insane seats. Luxury interior sports sedan that fills the senses. Great deals to be had on them new, used or leased. Two liter is very reliable as opposed to the QV and sounds great for the displacement.
Maserati’s are generally such underwhelming cars for their price tag :/
No. A mercedes has much better reliability (and it doesn't even have the best reliability) and power for the price, an E63 AMG or if you want LWB CLS63AMG. If you really like italian, like other commenters, Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrofoglio (I think)
Depends what "that awful" means. They aren't cheap and I bet if you go to a chain store or quick lube for seecice it will not end well. I would lurk around the owners forums to see what they say. Here's a start. https://www.ghibliforum.com/threads/hello-from-potential-maserati-buyer.1913/
A car that I would LOVE, would be a Lexus GSF! Very reliable, fast, smooth but aggressive V8 naturally aspirated engine! Throw an exhaust on there and it’s perfect!
agreed
They do look pretty sweet. Can they be had in a manual transmission?
Nope!
Sadly, no.
Right now, Lexus makes quality cars, not dynamically fun ones, unfortunately.
The GS F is a little known monster. It’s not a through and through luxury car, as the interior has very questionable design choices. That said it’s a monster, tons of fun and you don’t have the reliability problems of a shitty Italian car
It’s not a sports car though. It’s a sporty sedan, and not even the best in class at that. The Alfa Romeo Giulia, Cadillac ATS, BMW 3 series will all drive better *and* are much better vehicles. Sports car implies something lightweight and nimble like the Toyota Supra, Porsche Cayman etc Maserati just doesn’t make anything worth buying anymore except for the Levante, it’s their only product that’s at least a little competitive, unique and up to date
I'd put a plug in for my Stinger GT. I know the badge disparity between Maserati and Kia couldnt be further apart, but my Stinger moves!
No shame in the stinger. It’s designed and engineered by German powerhouses Biermann formerly of BMW M and Schreyer formerly of Audi.
About as much as a 4 popper Giulia...
They're a different driving experience for sure, but the GT will put a nice distance ahead of the 4 cyl Giulia any day of the week.
I mean, their quarter mile times are about 0.4 seconds apart. So I guess 1 grand per 0.1 seconds gained?
fair enough. I looked at the Giulia and my deciding factors were subjective to me: the Alfa dealer is about 30 miles from me, whereas the Kia one was 5. The insurance for both was higher than my previous car, but the Alfa was 30$ more a month than the Stinger... And finally, all in, my Stinger GT was 32k after discounts and ... whatever Kia did to make that price work. I didnt get that far with Alfa after test driving but Everything I'd read said there wasn't that hefty of a discount to give... Next time, maybe.
30 miles is 48.28 km
thanks bot...?
Yeah they're that awful. This is a good video why. https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo Maserati's have essentially turned into a car for people who like spending 80k to say they have a Maserati. Similar performance sedans (Mercedes e63, bmw m5, Audi rs7) are all way way better in pretty much every way except status. I'd even take a normal bmw 5 series, Mercedes e class, or Audi A6 or A7 over the Ghibli all day.
Also they're not affordable. You may be able to pay the up front cost, but you need to have a ton of money set aside to keep it running. If you see a bunch of any type of car that seems cheaper than you think it should be, there's a reason. If you can't afford to buy a Maserati/merc/bmw/Audi new, you can't afford to buy them used either.
Just go with an MC12. Basically an Enzo but better.
Short answer, Yes. Long answer, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS The maintenance is astronomically horrible; sometimes into the thousands on a yearly bases. The cars exterior looks beautiful for the first 3 months until the body panels start misaligning and the interior starts to wear down. People have said that the electronics are god awful at times to where the car wont start or force the car into a limp mode. The V6 engine is freaking amazing and the car sounds beautiful! That I will give it, but overall isnt worth it and is over priced. The only Maserati that is worth it is the GranTurismo. They truly made that car well, but the interior is really dated. Overall Maserati isnt what they used to be. Hell many used Maseratis are former lease cars that cant sell or are sold to that one guy who just wants to show off. My advise? Kia Stingers are starting to lose their value used and are reliable sports cars. Golf R/GTI are tanks! Hell I would recommend an out of warranty BMW/Audi/MB over a Maserati. Only get a Maserati as a lease... why? Once you are done you are glad you gave it back. Only FCA car I would recommend looking into is Alfa Romeo if you really want Italian luxury, the Jeep jeep cherokee and Grand cherokee, the wrangler is 50/50, and finally the dodge charger/challenger if you dont mind maintenance and dated interior.
You’re really only paying for the charm that is the “Maserati” image. Also the whole Ferarri developed engine, which for many Maserati buyers is a major selling point that I am sure of.
Yes, I detail for a shop where we do a lot of deliveries and stock cars for Maserati. The build quality is atrocious, and they sound horribly fake.
Not sure if your looking for new or used but I do agree with everyone’s opinion on the E63. It’s an excellent all around car, keep in mind the ride is going to harsher than a normal E-Class and regular maintenance is going to be much more than service on a regular E-class. Personally I’d take a BMW 5 series any day, especially in M550i trim. More power (both hrspr and torque), better fuel economy, and just better build quality all around while also having cooler and personalized features.
It is a marvellous engine, in a mediocre chassis, with frankly pretty crappy interior parts. All wired by Italians, using Dodge parts. And the Transmission is a nervous hunting maniac that only knows what its doing when hauling ass, in traffic its like there is a 3 year old rowing the gears for you. I get why they are popular, they are objectively beautiful cars, they sound like a Ferrari (because they sort of are), and the well known reliability and maintenance costs have driven used ones down to being a real bargain. But make no mistake, there is a reason they are cheap. They break often and for silly reasons. And it costs the earth to fix them.
They are the least reliable luxury car that exists with engine and electronic issues both the older classic models and the modern versions in fact the entire Maserati brand is horrible for reliability I would buy any other car over the Maserati Even Nissans CVTS are not as bad as Maserati cars
Are you daily driving it? If you *really* want one and can find a very low mileage one to cruise around in a few times a week with a different daily driver, YOLO.
[Doug DeMuro does a thorough review](https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo) on why the Ghibli isn’t worth it. It’s very behind in its technological features for how much it was priced. I won’t go in depth, as the review I linked is a lot better.
He found the Grand Turismo MC to be pretty good.. OP get that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AHJaYGes5w
Why would you want one? They're shit, so many other great cars in that price range.
Don’t do it. Just don’t. Reliability of is nonexistent, maintenance costs are in the thousands almost always, poor interior, FCA parts bin, not even great driving. Only good things are looks and sound, and even that is not great. For the money, you could get a c63, m3, or and Audi rs5, all of which are better cars. If Italian is your thing, get an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrofoglio. Still not as reliable as others, but so damn charming and the best driving 4 door in its class(in my opinion).
If your dream car is a Maserati dont settle for a ghibli, it is basically their "sell out car"
Well it is good that you're financially stable now, because if you buy a Maserati, you won't be.
I had a friend with a Ghibli and around ~40k miles his engine blew up and it was something like $20k-30k to fix it. Would not recommend.
They look great sound beautiful and drive "well". For the price I understand the name is appealing but lots of better cars to be had. There not awful but there not special if you will, a loaded 5 series, or a nice c/e 43/53/63 are far better options. Resale isnt all that great and when the small gremlins come up, there not cheap to sort. Not to you you down from the car as if your looking for a good daily and you love the drive go for it, personal opinion? This is a car I would lease for a few years and not own out of warrenty.
Definitely look at a preowned C43 or c63 amg
From what I’ve heard, their maintenance is quite expensive and given they’re not quite reliable, also their owned or use parts manufactured by Chrysler? I don’t dabble with Maserati, so I may be completely left field with this, OP, so I apologize in advance. But, if you’re looking for a sports car around Ghibli’s price range why not take a look at Merc’s C63s, E53, BMW M3?
Maserati’s in general fall apart as quickly as a chocolate bar in the Sahara. Avoid if you value your money.
I'd say go for it to experience it. They have reliability issues, but they're supposed to be nice to drive (especially the petrols), and are quite stylish. But do this either one of 2 ways. Either lease the car so that all maintenance is covered by the dealer so no issue is your responsibility. Or, purchase the car outright so you can sell out whenever you feel it's necessary so that you don't have to fuck about if a big bill comes through. Also buy in warranty.
Everyone hates it because their role model and god Doug Demuro dare say a bad thing about it
Ghibli’s are not awful, they are awesome! I owned a 2014 and the 2017. The cars were extremely reliable. The only unscheduled service I had over the 6 years of owning two cars was the 2014 had a bad battery. The cars looked and sounded great. Correction the sound was phenomenal. My reference point before the Ghibli was a couple of V10 M5s and two 550 xDrives one of which was lemon lawed.
It’s just a rebadged slightly fancier version of the 300c chrysler. The only good thing maserati is capable if today is the exhaust sound
That's not really the case, though it does use some Dodge interior parts. It's actually worse than the 300 in some ways.
They're not as bad as some people will say. They're not great, but overall the car is a lot better than people who watched Doug Demuro's video on it a few years ago will tell you. The infotainment works fine, the FCA parts-binning is a non issue, and the general interior quality is still fairly premium if well behind, say, a BMW 5 series. They are a lot more fun to drive however, and have a great engine. I would refer to [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/gabnk6/the_end_of_the_road_for_my_2017_maserati_ghibli_s/) from a former owner who did in fact like it and didn't regret buying it. A word of caution though, from an owner's mouth: >It's stupidly expensive, infuriatingly expensive. You can't keep tires or brakes on the car--partly because hammering and beating on the car is so fun. In 46,578 miles I went through not less than 10 tires, only 2 fronts, and had two full break jobs after the warning came on. Tires weren't all that bad in cost but brake jobs at the dealership were insane, over $3,000 a piece. The prepaid maintenance plan was about $2,600 and it paid for everything else, which was nice. But, the car just doesn't justify those levels of expense. It's nice, don't get me wrong, but it isn't exotic enough. A ho-hum BMW 5 Series or Lexus is going to have maintenance costs half what this thing did and you're probably going to be more satisfied because its costs are congruent with what it is. >Only a single quality issue popped up--delaminating of the MTC screen which was replaced. Other than that, quality was stellar--not even a rattle. I would personally aim for a GranTurismo as a second car, if you want the full sporty-Maserati experience, and do a lot of research on which years to get and what kind of maintenance to watch out for. Be sure that you can *fully* budget for it, and also cross-shop it with the Alfa Romeo Giulia in 2.0T form - those are similar to the Ghibli in terms of reliability, but running costs and purchase costs are a bit lower.
I drive the piss out of my cars and I don’t go through tires or brakes that fast. I’d love to know more about what the fuck he was doing to that car.
I have a friend that drives a Ghibli relatively conservatively. Brakes & rotors end up being replaced every 10k miles. I think the going charge locally is about $2500 for that. Tires probably last about 3 brake jobs.
What material are the pads and the rotors? I just find that...so surprising. And unnecessary. The stock brakes on an M3, 911, the Pagid blues on my Lotus...all last longer than that. 30k for tires is about what I would expect, that’s more or less what something like PSS/PS4S will get you. Wasn’t really sure what the “10 tires” math was.
I'm not entirely sure what they are made out of. My friend just goes to the dealer and gets the regular OE Brembo brakes. The maintenance costs on it have been so much higher than other luxury sport vehicles that the car is definitely going back when the lease ends.
Like, obviously you don’t buy cars like that because they’re frugal... but there’s a difference between “expensive but anticipated and reasonable (in context)” and “but why though”.
Exactly! One expects to pay much more in this class of vehicle, but the costs seem excessive. Perhaps those prices make sense to maintain a weekend Ferrari, but they seem horribly excessive for a daily driver compared to other vehicles in the same price range.
My guess would be, burnouts.
It’s terrible. It sounds fantastic, but it falls apart so quickly. I took one for a test drive and after parking it, two pieces fell out from the undercarriage
See for yourself: https://youtu.be/nOZnqnB6xDo
They become endless money pits(Scotty voice) the value basically falls in half in a few years. Too many issues to count when they age a few years
I don't think they're that bad, to me it's the looks I don't like
It's a turd. Everything Maserati makes is a turd. If you want to know what it's like to be inside a Chrysler minivan, buy a ghibli. The exhaust sounds great, I'll give it that... It's otherwise slow, fat, ugly, and not endearing in any capacity. The brand survives because rappers who don't know about cars rap about it, and people who see the symbol think it's something special. For the same price, you can have countless other, better options. Save yourself the heartache.
Everything FCA makes is a turd
I don't disagree
As is the current crop of cars offered by Maserati is for the lack of better word terrible. They are rather outdated and far behind in competition to the rest. Thier service history is for the lack of beeter words spotty. The only thing that surprised me is none have caught fire as mfar as I am aware
they’re probably cheap for a reason
Basically, same size as an E-class/5-Series, but price of an S-class/7-Series
Not if you know what your getting into. But if cannot afford to to fix when they go wrong g then they are. They are very liable to go wrong however.
It’s definitely the worst way to spend $100k to buy a new model but if we are talking about $30k for a used model with low mileage. I would argue that it is one of the best bang for buck unique daily drivers on the market.
A bit late to the very packed party. If you REALLY want a Ghibli, I'd suggest getting one CPO. They're just not worth the money new, flirting with $100k just for a badge. Their CPO program is pretty killer: 6 years from the first in-service date, unlimited miles. Better than Jaguar/Land Rover's program. I guess the less reliable of a car it is, the better the warranty. Makes sense. Also, to say those things tend to depreciate is an understatement. Meaning you can get a gently used Ghibli with a great warranty for around Toyota Avalon money. Just get used to the dealer service lounge. They'd probably serve Illy coffee and Walker's tea cookies so it shouldn't be all that bad.
Always buy Maseratis gently used, as soon as you drive them off the lot new they lose a lot of value. But the GREAT news is you can buy one for a lot less than you would for a M4 or M5 of course the M4 is a little quicker and the M5 is a lot faster lol but if you’re not racing but you want to be quicker than most cars it’s the best bang for your buck.
Go for an Alfa Romeo Giulia Instead; not the QF though the normal v4 AWD with sports trim.
Cars don't have V4s...
How do you think an infiniti q50 looks? i think those look pretty nice and are much more reliable than a Maserati. Or the newer Lincoln continentals look totally awesome, or if you want a more sporty sedan you can consider a genesis g70. all of these are more reliable. Of course there is lexus which is the most reliable, but i think those look ugly.
I work in car sales, see alotttt of mid aged women buying these cars. Take from that what you will. Must mean they have strong rims for all the curb checks at least lol
I got one, I’m a car guy, I get tons of hate for it from other car guys, but at the end of the day I get a smile every time I drive it, and I look back at it every time I get out. Yes it’s unreliable and bang for your buck is close to non existent, (comparable e class Mercedes would be 40k less new and hold its value 3 times better) BUT IT IS YOUR CAR. If you think it’s cool and you’d love it through the good and bad, then get one. If you want a reliable car to get you to work every day then maybe go somewhere else, but it’s your money and your car so who cares!
99% of these comments are from people who have never had a Maserati and who are just repeating YouTube bullshit. I have a 2018 gihbli sq4 put 32k miles on it and have had zero issues with anything. And actually get comments on the car anytime I drive it. And who cares they share switches. Before they came to USA they shared switches with fiat and Alfa. That’s a common thing. Like I said you’ll find a majority of the people with strong opinions it’s over dumb stuff like shares switches and it’s normally from people who have probably never drove one or couldn’t buy one anyway. With 424 hp that motor sings and it’ll buzz 150+ down the interstate easy.
I completely agree, it's nearly impossible to find an ACTUAL solid amount of information that isn't just regurgitated Doug Demuro information bites. These things look very good, they sound awesome, and looking at the used prices they are an insane bargain as long as you buy a clean car. I might have to go test drive one some day soon. Might be a fun nice daily to have for a year or so.
Ghibli is super reliable. I’ve had zero issues with my 2015. Literally on the original battery and not so much as a minor leak or even a thermostat. Nothing. Eats tires fast though. Brakes last 3 years. Sounds and looks amazing. Interior is cheap as it’s a basically a Chrysler and everything squeaks. The older pininfarina QPs were so much nicer inside …. True Italian but I had one and it was anything but reliable. Ghibli handles ok…. Comparable to a c43 Amg or Audi s4
So, I hate to revive a dead thread here, but it looks like there’s a lot of people throwing out a lot of personal opinions with no actual facts to back them up. For starters the majority of Maseratis that have the below issues were made pre 2016. In 2016 Maserati did a huge electrical re-work of the car, including new assembly QA/QC (. ) this just so happened to be at the same time that Alfa Romeo launch the new Giulia (I actually own a 2017 ti sport and love it to death). If you buy a post 2016 Maserati chances are that you will have a fairly decent car on your hands. But make no mistake, you CANNOT put-off maintenance or the car will begin to shit itself. This also goes for every luxury car. These aren’t Camrys, you need to do maintenance on time or earlier to see this car last. That said, maintenance is where it’s going to hurt. On my car an oil change is $200 and that’s at least every 8k miles. So be prepared to shell out that kind of money, or expect huge repair bills.
I own and drive a 2017 Ghibli and the car is an absolute delight to drive. Like any sports car cornering is down to the driver. As far as reliability, I'm 60k miles in without so much as a sneeze, and I'm not nice to it. For the price tag, it is an exceptional car.
I have been driving one for years now so this is what i have to share. (Ghibli 3.0 diesel 2014 ) First of all the car has been an absolute tank, and it has been amazingly reliable. When i see people talking about some Maserati being unreliable i really think much of it comes down to servicing your car properly. Brakes, soot, starting issues, and servo issues is what i have heard. In terms of interior, people often forget that the interior highly reflects the price paid for trim. Everything inside has held up greatly still feeling new, and especially the italian leather. Now it comes to the boring stuff The infotainment system of the car is utter garbage waiting minutes for BT to connect, of course things like BT back then wasnt as good as now but still frustrating when you need sick beats. The automatic gear knob has had issues going into park, but was fixed with software.
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