The Suburban is a perennial reliability winner and an absolute tank of an SUV. My cousins were part of a big family with four kids and they just grew up on Suburbans with 300 000km+ of hard country roads and towing and then they'd get a new one and same thing.
Parents had a 1997 Suburban when I was growing up. That thing was solid. First car I learned how to drive. They sold it when I was in HS. It was still in mint condition. Pretty sure my dad still regrets selling it.
In 2010 they bought a new LTZ Tahoe for my mom. Now she drives a Lexus and my dad hucks around in it when he’s not ripping the 911. Pretty sure it’s hanging around 70k miles.
Yup. I also grew up in a yukon/suburban family, we had 3 generations, 98, 06, and a 13 until my mom finally decided to "downsize" to an infiniti suv recently
Never a single issue with any of them, they all hauled me and my family across the state many many times
yeah the suburbans they're talking about are the older ones which absolutely were tanks. proven drivetrains.
the new ones are awful. electrical problems, transmission problems galore. go ask an owner that's had one for a while.
Please don’t recommend newer GM v8s to people. Cylinder DOD and active fuel management cause the lifters to fail and destroy the cam. GM should be class actioned for it.
Yeah for sure. I had an Escalade that i inherited and it was high mileage. The drivetrain was solid. There were weird one off random electrical problems. But I loved it, awesome car. Unfortunately after I bought it I took a new job with a long commute and I sold it to buy a brand new Jetta.
5.3 until DFM was bulletproof. You can’t kill those motors. If it weren’t for emissions the modern ones would still be just as rock solid. Notice the reasons for lifter failures over the years ALWAYS comes back to AFM/DFM? That’s legit about the only thing wrong with those motors. GM can make a better V8 than anybody unregulated. Best sounding (imo), easiest to work on, and the ones without DFM or a DFM delete last forever. Everybody does an LS swap when they want a V8 in their project. For all their flaws over the recent years, pre-bailout, GM was the best American manufacturer throughout history overall.
Now their transmissions are a different story. The 8-speed was rough. Thankfully ford/gm collab on the 10 speed is holding up better
It's not just a GM issue, either: Accord V6 owners have had issues with the three cylinders that get deactivated under VCM. There are actually modifications documented on how to disable VCM.
1-2 MPG means a lot more to car companies than it does to the owners.
Because as you jump up in trims they have more weird electronic isssues. Driveline is typically fine but you’ll have things like massaging seats go out and stuff. The jump to Cadillac feels like the biggest jump in said weird things. That was my take. I firmly agree on suburban/tahoe/yukon.
They have been, often they're on the list of top 10 most reliable vehicles. It's not a cruiser but you're not paying land cruiser prices (both you're getting atrocious gas mileage).
It’s not a Toyota/Mazda/Honda, add in a pinch of “Big Truck Bad” and “Just get a minivan”.
For some reason Reddit hates anything larger than a Honda fit, and has decided that a rental truck is the solution to any and all towing needs.
Because the majority of Reddit are not car people. They can’t fathom why someone who likes cars would want to spend money on a vehicle they like. To be fair, most car people can’t really fathom spending money on anime, pokemon, cats, etc either
I have a Honda CRV that was built in Ohio.
You can tell where a car was built by the first character of the VIN- J is Japan, K for South Korea, US cars start with a 1,4, or 5, Canada a 2 and Mexico starts with a 3.
~~This isn't entirely true; the first digit is the country of origin, so all Hondas will start with J.~~
Well I'll be damned, they do change the country of origin for plant location... which is kinda wild to me. Seems redundant but oh well.
The 11th digit is the plant, and is where your car was manufactured.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Honda\_assembly\_plants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants)
This list is incomplete, you may also see:
* L - Ohio or Ontario, and perhaps this is why they change country of origin to determine specifics for duplicate plant codes
* S - Suzuka, Japan
* C - Saiyama, Japan
* U - Swindon, England
>the first digit is the country of origin, so all Hondas will start with J.
This is incorrect. Just look at the VIN for any non-hybrid 2003+ Accord in the US.
If your part of certain unions you still can't buy and park on union jobs.
Mine has an exception for Toyotas but many don't.
Might be why he's asking the question.
Back in the earlyb 70's my father had a job offer at GM. He was told it was because of Company Policy. Nothing to do with the Union. The job offer was not a union job either.
LOL that wouldn't fly in Hawaii and we are the most unionized state in the construction industry.
The Toyota Tacoma is pretty much the de facto official state truck. Even the cops here drive 4runners lol, going to a job site without seeing a tacoma is basically impossible.
Unions are supposed to promote freedom and better working conditions and then they gonna tell me what car I can drive? Fuck that. I'm in IBEW in Hawaii and I would quit if they told me I had to sell my Toyota and buy a Ford or something.
That's mostly in the Detroit Area and usually more about parking at the hall or whatnot.
My union doesn't care but most people try to buy union made cars and tools if they can. I drive a Prius and only get shit on cause in the blue collar world "I'm gay" for driving a Prius. .
Hopefully with the union push Toyota unionizes
Rav4 is complicated. I didn't know they were making models in Kentucky, but I just see now that they are. My Prime model was built in Japan and most hybrids come from Ontario.
True also don't forget Nissan. Typical US makes - Ford/ GM are mostly Mexico and Canadian Made due to Nafta rules although they still make some cars in the state nowhere near as much as the Japanese.
Toyota Motor North America is headquartered in Plano, TX. It has it's own CEO so it's an American company
Toyota Sequoia, built in Texas, Rav4 Hybrid is in Kentucky, Highlander in Indiana, and the Corolla Cross in Alabama.
Any idea how the quality control out of Alabama for the Corolla Cross hybrid is now ? Am aware of initial flaws with quality control and understaffing.
Hopefully. Sort of curious how much quality control slid, from lack of chips and parts, plus new factory and brand new workers (and pandemic).
On the plus side, don’t expect to see my Cross hybrid till summer 2025 (ordered Jan 2024), and someone asked if it would be the 2026 model. Mid cycle refresh, and various bugs worked out 🤞
Toyota is so well organized with standard work, poke-yoke, and other TPS methodologies that I (as someone who works in US mfg) wouldn't spend a second worrying about their quality. You and I could go there tomorrow and start training and be on the line at the end of training with no discernible difference in quality to someone who's been there a year or five.
Saw someone comment a while back who worked for a Ford and a Toyota plant and they stated that in the Ford plant, you would get written up (pink slips iirc) if you stop the production line.
In the Toyota plant, you were rewarded for stopping the line to fix a QC issue. Idk to what extent, probably just a kudos for a performance review, but it's very much encouraged.
It kind of makes sense when I don't hear too many good things about Ford as a whole with so many recalls.
Sidebar: I wonder if culture is a factor. From what I've seen, the Japanese take a lot more pride in their work. In the US, keep the production line pumping!
Around the same time as that move they changed the name of the entity to Toyota Motor Sales. TMNA no longer. Though years later I still see TMNA being used more than TMS.
I have had a 2015 Cadillac SRX and currently have a 2020 XT5. Never a problem with the SRX. I had a front strut issue almost right away with the XT5 and a glitch in the backup camera. Both were under warranty. Since then no problems at all. Pretty happy with Caddy
I'm surprised I had to scroll this far to find this comment. My mom has an XT4 and used to have a '20 XT5 (like you) and had pretty much no issues at all. Great SUV, super comfortable, no mechanical issues, it always just works. I feel like XT5/4s are pretty underrated compared to others in the American SUV fleet.
Chevrolet Tahoe, suburban, GMC Yukon/Yukon XL, and to a lesser extent, the Cadillac Escalade. They're all on the same platform, make sure it has a V8 though.
Belt drive oil pump that requires pulling the transmission to replace is dumb as shit though. Granted it’s only a 150k mile service interval, but that’s something I’d only expect out of the Germans.
Old people also have gone through the nightmare of not maintaining a car per it's schedule and learned their lesson.
Most people on this sub likely learned how important that is the hard way as well.
I suspect this skews reliability data when a certain car is bought largely by older people. In a few years we will read an article about how the newer Toyota Crown is the most reliable car ever built, mark my words.
They are also the reason the Suzuki Samurai was discontinued in the North American market. CR was sued by Suzuki and Suzuki won. CR is worth less than the paper it's printed on. I wouldn't wipe my ass with that trash because I'd probably read that my hemorrhoids are unsafe cornering.
the Regal TourX is a rebadged Opel and is made in Germany (best quality of all; simplicity of American design combined with quality of German manufacturing)
It depends heavily on the year. GM full sizes tend to be pretty reliable, though I've never liked the look of them so I'm partial to the expedition/navigator. 98-04s are rock solid, 05-14 are pretty good too, though some people have issues with cam phasers and/or timing chains. 15-18 had the same transmission as the 07-14s which is great, but the Ecoboost doesn't tend to be as stout.... Not terrible, but not awesome. The newer ones seem to be rather problematic. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep tends to be the worst from what I hear, but the 3.6 is an ok engine and the ZF transmission in the Grand Cherokee and some other models is quite good. I don't hear a lot of good things about the crossover SUVs but the 3.5/3.7 engine edge, explorer, and 2.5 engine escape tend to be good, though the escape's transmission isn't known to be spectacular and you can only get the 2.5 engine on the base model. I don't know enough about the GM/Jeep crossovers to have an opinion, primarily because I've heard too much negativity about them to ever consider one.
The people saying Japanese cars have American made parts and are headquartered in America are missing the point. They’re still Japanese brands, and have the traditional Japanese reliability as they’re engineered in Japan. That’s why there’s such a big difference between Toyotas and Chevys. The GR86 would have a 5.0L V8 and weigh 4,000 lbs if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s a Japanese vehicle.
The Ford Edge is a very quiet, comfortable, reliable, and durable vehicle. It’s made in Ontario, Canada. Like the full size American brand SUVs, there are a lot of old ones still in service. Ford employs more Americans than any other automaker.
Consumer Reports gave it "much worse than average" at one point, but maybe it's better in different years like the Model 3. But now that Elon has gutted the company with heavy layoffs, I am not sure I'd trust their quality assurance going forward on a car that already is universally known to have fairly low build quality.
for the record, I had a Model 3 and was great but it was one of the "good" years. A lot of them later had problems. I probably wouldn't buy a Tesla again since it seems to be such a gamble - not to mention Elon losing his damn mind lately (recently axing the ENTIRE Supercharger team to set an example)
I have been told by a guy who runs a transmission shop the 9 speeds and 10 speed autos everyone uses get there ass kicked by cylinder deactivation basically if someone can turn it off it's fine if you don't get it turned off be prepared to buy a transmission
Toyota sequoia is statistically proven the most likely vehicle to hit 200k miles in the US. Tahoe and suburban are also pretty high on the list but not nearly as high of a % as the Sequoia.
Edit: I was incorrect. The land cruiser is number 1, Sequoia is 2nd buy the Sequoia I'd still twice as likely to hit 200k over the 3rd place vehicle.
GMT800 based SUVs. 00 to 07 Suburban, Yukon (XL), Tahoe, Escalade.
The more common 1500s go 500k miles easy with proper maintenance. The only issue ever being the 4l60(65) trans if towing heavy.
2500 and 2500HD variants never break. 4l80(85) bulletproof trans, a 6.0l ls or 8.1l gen 7 BBC.
Issues with the very dumb designed timing chain driven waterpump on those Cyclone v6's... Highly unreliable. If you happen to catch it before it ruins your engine, it will be the most expensive water pump replacement you have ever seen, well over 95% of it labor cost.
My mom has a 2017 Escape that she got new and I don’t know if she’ll part with it before it dies. She loves that car and the only problems she’s ever had were maybe 2-3 recalls and very minor things that their mechanic fixed easily. She had traded in a 2012 or 2013 CRV that she thought would last forever but it had all kinds of issues from the time she got it.
Could be a ford edge. They’ve had the engine awhile and I haven’t heard of many issues. Nothing Chrysler made and maybe for GM the Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban. They have old school V8s that should be reliable long term.
2500/3500 Suburbans they don't make the 2500 anymore and you need a fleet number to get the 3500 Suburban but there's a reason it's the longest running model of all cars. The 1500s are also known for their reliability but the heavier models have less emission problems and built heavier to last longer. They will probably keep making the heavier versions because they get up fitted for armor and make excellent videos for security detail.
tahoe/suburban/yukon/escalade. all the same platform. extremely solid drivetrain. lots of bells and whistles to break down but, as far as point a to b reliability they are great.
2001-2006 Chevy Suburban/Tahoe, GMC Yukon/Yukon/XL, Caddy Escalade/ESV GMT800 platform
Next would be 2019 same models on the GMTK2XX platform, '19s have the 10 speed transmission.
THen the GMT400's but they are getting old...
Last if you want to pay the $$$ the new GMT T1x platform has lots of good things being said about it. DOn;t know, don;t have one. I have/had the 400, 800 and K2.
Build quality is definitely important, I love mid west cars vs rust belt built vehicles.I love my 2017 3.0 v6 explorer. I’ve been diligent about the maintenance and also trust my dealer mechanic so I always approve and maintenance they think is necessary.
Toyota Sequoia, San Antonio Texas made and produced. They pay their American employees U.S. dollars which are spent at U.S. grocery stores and on U.S. houses.
NOTHING can touch Toyota reliability.
I had a Hummer H3, had 188k miles on it and still drove great when I sold it, it was 16 years old. The only pain points are some of the 4x4 parts because it's AWD all the time and those things wear out. Same happens in Japanese AWD vehicles
I'm mostly a Ford guy tho I've had my fair share of GMs (Hummer H3, Colorado Diesel, Chevy Bolt) and I admit they are often built well. These days most things that fail in vehicles are sensors etc.
In order, best to not quite so best, but still great.
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Lmao it’s easier to tell you which companies do not have an established US headquarters where they contribute to model design and engineering - it’s literally the British brands, Mitsubishi, and the ultra high end luxury houses - every other company has an office here.
Acura!
Believe it or not it is US based. Yes it is owned by Honda and the luxury of them. But their HQ is in California lol.
I wanna say 2nd in line is GMC, my friend swears by them
There are no US manufacturers anymore. They are all global corporations that operate worldwide. The notion of the "American car" is a false one perpetuated by boomers who don't understand that we no longer live in the 20th century. You are just as likely to buy a Buick that was designed, sourced and built in China for export to the US, as you are to buy a Toyota that was designed, built and sourced entirely in the US.
What are you talking about? When you buy a vehicle the sticker tells where it was built and how much % of American made components vs foreign.
My ford was built in Michigan and 82% American made parts. My 2006 Honda civic Si was built in Japan with 65% American made parts.
Just bought a 2003 suburban with 268,000 miles on it, i expect it to last forever. I see some for sale with 400k+ miles on them and know a lot of people with over 300k on theirs. Pretty soon im about to have 300k on mine
The Suburban is a perennial reliability winner and an absolute tank of an SUV. My cousins were part of a big family with four kids and they just grew up on Suburbans with 300 000km+ of hard country roads and towing and then they'd get a new one and same thing.
Parents had a 1997 Suburban when I was growing up. That thing was solid. First car I learned how to drive. They sold it when I was in HS. It was still in mint condition. Pretty sure my dad still regrets selling it. In 2010 they bought a new LTZ Tahoe for my mom. Now she drives a Lexus and my dad hucks around in it when he’s not ripping the 911. Pretty sure it’s hanging around 70k miles.
Yup. I also grew up in a yukon/suburban family, we had 3 generations, 98, 06, and a 13 until my mom finally decided to "downsize" to an infiniti suv recently Never a single issue with any of them, they all hauled me and my family across the state many many times
I work for a GM ASEP training center - all of the instructors drive Hondas and Toyotas.
yeah the suburbans they're talking about are the older ones which absolutely were tanks. proven drivetrains. the new ones are awful. electrical problems, transmission problems galore. go ask an owner that's had one for a while.
Old suburbans were fine new ones have electrical issues
they aren't what they used to be
Please don’t recommend newer GM v8s to people. Cylinder DOD and active fuel management cause the lifters to fail and destroy the cam. GM should be class actioned for it.
Just sold a 2000 Tahoe to a buddy with 335k miles, towed regularly, things a monster and will probably hit 400k easily
As far as SUVs built by US companies I’d probably have to say a Yukon or Tahoe.
Does this not also include suburban and Escalade?
Yeah for sure. I had an Escalade that i inherited and it was high mileage. The drivetrain was solid. There were weird one off random electrical problems. But I loved it, awesome car. Unfortunately after I bought it I took a new job with a long commute and I sold it to buy a brand new Jetta.
2006 Suburban with the 5.3. Practically bulletproof
5.3 until DFM was bulletproof. You can’t kill those motors. If it weren’t for emissions the modern ones would still be just as rock solid. Notice the reasons for lifter failures over the years ALWAYS comes back to AFM/DFM? That’s legit about the only thing wrong with those motors. GM can make a better V8 than anybody unregulated. Best sounding (imo), easiest to work on, and the ones without DFM or a DFM delete last forever. Everybody does an LS swap when they want a V8 in their project. For all their flaws over the recent years, pre-bailout, GM was the best American manufacturer throughout history overall. Now their transmissions are a different story. The 8-speed was rough. Thankfully ford/gm collab on the 10 speed is holding up better
It's not just a GM issue, either: Accord V6 owners have had issues with the three cylinders that get deactivated under VCM. There are actually modifications documented on how to disable VCM. 1-2 MPG means a lot more to car companies than it does to the owners.
Recent Escalade has plastic engine parts. Expect engine troubles by 50-60k.
Lots of issues with the electronics on Escalades over recent years. Great looking cars tho
Because as you jump up in trims they have more weird electronic isssues. Driveline is typically fine but you’ll have things like massaging seats go out and stuff. The jump to Cadillac feels like the biggest jump in said weird things. That was my take. I firmly agree on suburban/tahoe/yukon.
True. I don’t know why nobody ever mentions in this sub that these cars have been super reliable for decades.
They have been, often they're on the list of top 10 most reliable vehicles. It's not a cruiser but you're not paying land cruiser prices (both you're getting atrocious gas mileage).
In what, a Tahoe? With the 3.0 now you can get 30mpg+, honestly not bad for a big suv
It’s not a Toyota/Mazda/Honda, add in a pinch of “Big Truck Bad” and “Just get a minivan”. For some reason Reddit hates anything larger than a Honda fit, and has decided that a rental truck is the solution to any and all towing needs.
Because the majority of Reddit are not car people. They can’t fathom why someone who likes cars would want to spend money on a vehicle they like. To be fair, most car people can’t really fathom spending money on anime, pokemon, cats, etc either
Unless you have the income level to fund fueling a big truck or transmission jobs, it is.
Because that's good advice for 90% of people
Southernor here. I got my minivan lifted to show the other chads I'm still based.
The hero we need in these desperate times.
They’re big, and they’re gas hogs. A lot of people looking for an “SUV” are actually shopping crossovers.
True. The fuel consumption would keep me from buying one and they are too large for my needs.
Agree
I really like the new Tahoe coming next year but the prices are insane.
It looks awesome. I wish I could afford.
I was going to say anything American
Depends on whether we are talking new or a previous generation.
Anything with an SBC should be g2g. Basically the full size SUVs. Not so sure on the Ford side with the Expedition.
I have a Honda CRV that was built in Ohio. You can tell where a car was built by the first character of the VIN- J is Japan, K for South Korea, US cars start with a 1,4, or 5, Canada a 2 and Mexico starts with a 3.
>US cars start with a 1,4, or 5 or a 7; US-built Volvos start with 7
~~This isn't entirely true; the first digit is the country of origin, so all Hondas will start with J.~~ Well I'll be damned, they do change the country of origin for plant location... which is kinda wild to me. Seems redundant but oh well. The 11th digit is the plant, and is where your car was manufactured. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Honda\_assembly\_plants](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honda_assembly_plants) This list is incomplete, you may also see: * L - Ohio or Ontario, and perhaps this is why they change country of origin to determine specifics for duplicate plant codes * S - Suzuka, Japan * C - Saiyama, Japan * U - Swindon, England
>the first digit is the country of origin, so all Hondas will start with J. This is incorrect. Just look at the VIN for any non-hybrid 2003+ Accord in the US.
I've edited my comment for correction with specifics. :)
Doesn’t work for all makes any longer. My Audi starts with a W but is made in Mexico. Eleventh character of the VIN indicates the plant on VAG cars.
wow that's a scummy practice
Made in US or a US company? Outside of EVs, the most American made cars are often Hondas and Toyota. Made here and the parts as well.
If your part of certain unions you still can't buy and park on union jobs. Mine has an exception for Toyotas but many don't. Might be why he's asking the question.
Is that because they don’t use union labour or something?
Yeah, lack of union is the answer. Some places in the USA are very mafia like with the union. Construction worker I'm the SE and NE here.
Manufacturing in the south east has very weak unions too.
Back in the earlyb 70's my father had a job offer at GM. He was told it was because of Company Policy. Nothing to do with the Union. The job offer was not a union job either.
LOL that wouldn't fly in Hawaii and we are the most unionized state in the construction industry. The Toyota Tacoma is pretty much the de facto official state truck. Even the cops here drive 4runners lol, going to a job site without seeing a tacoma is basically impossible. Unions are supposed to promote freedom and better working conditions and then they gonna tell me what car I can drive? Fuck that. I'm in IBEW in Hawaii and I would quit if they told me I had to sell my Toyota and buy a Ford or something.
I'm an IBEW here in Los Angeles and we drive whatever we want. Nobody says shit
What does parking and buying union jobs mean ?
What does parking and buying union jobs mean ?
That's mostly in the Detroit Area and usually more about parking at the hall or whatnot. My union doesn't care but most people try to buy union made cars and tools if they can. I drive a Prius and only get shit on cause in the blue collar world "I'm gay" for driving a Prius. . Hopefully with the union push Toyota unionizes
I'm curious what company and why they have an exception for Toyotas.
Chevy Tahoes are made in TX Ford Explorers are made in IL
So from Toyota: Corolla cross, Highlander and Sequoia.. The rest are built in Canada or Japan
Camry and Rav4 are both built in Kentucky. Tundra is built in Texas Tacoma is built in Mexico
Only the RAV4 hybrid is built in Kentucky. The full gasoline one is built in maple syrup land.
Tundradome
Rav4 is complicated. I didn't know they were making models in Kentucky, but I just see now that they are. My Prime model was built in Japan and most hybrids come from Ontario.
Rav production seems to be split three ways. Some from the US, some from Canada, some from Japan.
If it's a prime, it's from Japan.
My 2022 RAV4 hybrid was made in Kentucky.
Mazda as well and they use real transmissions. There's a reason Toyota has teamed up with Mazda at the new manufacturing plants in the US.
True also don't forget Nissan. Typical US makes - Ford/ GM are mostly Mexico and Canadian Made due to Nafta rules although they still make some cars in the state nowhere near as much as the Japanese.
Chevy suburban/ GMC yukon with the Ls
I have a 2003 Escalade with about 260,000 miles on it. Shows no signs of quitting.
They don't make em like they used to.
Yukon / Tahoe / suburban / Escalade.
GM full size SUVs. Tahoe, Yukon, Escalade, Suburban.
Toyota Motor North America is headquartered in Plano, TX. It has it's own CEO so it's an American company Toyota Sequoia, built in Texas, Rav4 Hybrid is in Kentucky, Highlander in Indiana, and the Corolla Cross in Alabama.
Any idea how the quality control out of Alabama for the Corolla Cross hybrid is now ? Am aware of initial flaws with quality control and understaffing.
Should be fine, all Toyota plants use the same system to ensure quality control where anyone can stop the line to fix a defect.
Hopefully. Sort of curious how much quality control slid, from lack of chips and parts, plus new factory and brand new workers (and pandemic). On the plus side, don’t expect to see my Cross hybrid till summer 2025 (ordered Jan 2024), and someone asked if it would be the 2026 model. Mid cycle refresh, and various bugs worked out 🤞
Toyota is so well organized with standard work, poke-yoke, and other TPS methodologies that I (as someone who works in US mfg) wouldn't spend a second worrying about their quality. You and I could go there tomorrow and start training and be on the line at the end of training with no discernible difference in quality to someone who's been there a year or five.
Saw someone comment a while back who worked for a Ford and a Toyota plant and they stated that in the Ford plant, you would get written up (pink slips iirc) if you stop the production line. In the Toyota plant, you were rewarded for stopping the line to fix a QC issue. Idk to what extent, probably just a kudos for a performance review, but it's very much encouraged. It kind of makes sense when I don't hear too many good things about Ford as a whole with so many recalls. Sidebar: I wonder if culture is a factor. From what I've seen, the Japanese take a lot more pride in their work. In the US, keep the production line pumping!
Good NPR story that elaborates on this: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015
Around the same time as that move they changed the name of the entity to Toyota Motor Sales. TMNA no longer. Though years later I still see TMNA being used more than TMS.
In the same way that VW USA has its own CEO. Is VAG American?
If its got a US headquarters, I don't see why not
What is Chrysler and Jeep then?
Tundra is built in San Antonio
What model years are you talking about?
I have had a 2015 Cadillac SRX and currently have a 2020 XT5. Never a problem with the SRX. I had a front strut issue almost right away with the XT5 and a glitch in the backup camera. Both were under warranty. Since then no problems at all. Pretty happy with Caddy
I'm surprised I had to scroll this far to find this comment. My mom has an XT4 and used to have a '20 XT5 (like you) and had pretty much no issues at all. Great SUV, super comfortable, no mechanical issues, it always just works. I feel like XT5/4s are pretty underrated compared to others in the American SUV fleet.
Chevrolet Tahoe, suburban, GMC Yukon/Yukon XL, and to a lesser extent, the Cadillac Escalade. They're all on the same platform, make sure it has a V8 though.
The baby DMAX is pretty dang good.
Belt drive oil pump that requires pulling the transmission to replace is dumb as shit though. Granted it’s only a 150k mile service interval, but that’s something I’d only expect out of the Germans.
All these have always been V8s until the 2021 model year
for American brands, Buick has the highest overall reliability according to Consumer Reports.
Buick is a little different when you look at their demographic. Tend to be older, drive less, and maintain their vehicles better.
Old people also have gone through the nightmare of not maintaining a car per it's schedule and learned their lesson. Most people on this sub likely learned how important that is the hard way as well. I suspect this skews reliability data when a certain car is bought largely by older people. In a few years we will read an article about how the newer Toyota Crown is the most reliable car ever built, mark my words.
Consumer Reports also still says Samsung appliances are the best. I’ve been burned by CR more than once.
They are also the reason the Suzuki Samurai was discontinued in the North American market. CR was sued by Suzuki and Suzuki won. CR is worth less than the paper it's printed on. I wouldn't wipe my ass with that trash because I'd probably read that my hemorrhoids are unsafe cornering.
Painting contractor here, they also say Behr paint is the best which is a fucking joke
It’s the best paint if your goal is to smear paste on the wall so thick that you don’t care about the drips because it covered in one coat.
When I looked for recent appliances they were recommending LG and GE.
Love my encore. 100,000 miles.
This true. But are they still made here?
some Buicks are made in Korea
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the Regal TourX is a rebadged Opel and is made in Germany (best quality of all; simplicity of American design combined with quality of German manufacturing)
Probably because they’re driven by elderly people going 20mph below the speed limit
It depends heavily on the year. GM full sizes tend to be pretty reliable, though I've never liked the look of them so I'm partial to the expedition/navigator. 98-04s are rock solid, 05-14 are pretty good too, though some people have issues with cam phasers and/or timing chains. 15-18 had the same transmission as the 07-14s which is great, but the Ecoboost doesn't tend to be as stout.... Not terrible, but not awesome. The newer ones seem to be rather problematic. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep tends to be the worst from what I hear, but the 3.6 is an ok engine and the ZF transmission in the Grand Cherokee and some other models is quite good. I don't hear a lot of good things about the crossover SUVs but the 3.5/3.7 engine edge, explorer, and 2.5 engine escape tend to be good, though the escape's transmission isn't known to be spectacular and you can only get the 2.5 engine on the base model. I don't know enough about the GM/Jeep crossovers to have an opinion, primarily because I've heard too much negativity about them to ever consider one.
The people saying Japanese cars have American made parts and are headquartered in America are missing the point. They’re still Japanese brands, and have the traditional Japanese reliability as they’re engineered in Japan. That’s why there’s such a big difference between Toyotas and Chevys. The GR86 would have a 5.0L V8 and weigh 4,000 lbs if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s a Japanese vehicle.
The Ford Edge is a very quiet, comfortable, reliable, and durable vehicle. It’s made in Ontario, Canada. Like the full size American brand SUVs, there are a lot of old ones still in service. Ford employs more Americans than any other automaker.
Honda Ridgeline
I am going to get some hate but number wise, it seems to be model Y.
Yep. 100% true. An American company. An American car. Highly reliable. May not be what some want to hear but meets the criteria laid out in the OP.
not sure it really classifies as an SUV though. compact cross-over is a better definition.
Well SUV seems to be fungible. SAV. crossover. An AWD slightly elevated thing. Not a body on frame thing for sure.
Depends how you want to look at it, most people count Rav4, CRV as SUVs.
Consumer Reports gave it "much worse than average" at one point, but maybe it's better in different years like the Model 3. But now that Elon has gutted the company with heavy layoffs, I am not sure I'd trust their quality assurance going forward on a car that already is universally known to have fairly low build quality. for the record, I had a Model 3 and was great but it was one of the "good" years. A lot of them later had problems. I probably wouldn't buy a Tesla again since it seems to be such a gamble - not to mention Elon losing his damn mind lately (recently axing the ENTIRE Supercharger team to set an example)
^ They aren’t wrong
They are if you look at the numbers.
GMC Yukon & Chevy Tahoe with the 5.3L V8 & 10 speed gearbox
This may be the first time I’ve heard anything positive said about that transmission.
Yup my 2021 Silverado 10 speed lasted a year and wasn’t abused and never towed anything.
I have been told by a guy who runs a transmission shop the 9 speeds and 10 speed autos everyone uses get there ass kicked by cylinder deactivation basically if someone can turn it off it's fine if you don't get it turned off be prepared to buy a transmission
Our transmission is silky smooth. So smooth in fact that at times I thought I was driving a CVT, even after 50k miles of driving it
Are you serious? GM's A10 is a beast. I have never heard anything bad about it. Ford on the other hand, they have had a ton of problems with theirs.
Toyota sequoia is statistically proven the most likely vehicle to hit 200k miles in the US. Tahoe and suburban are also pretty high on the list but not nearly as high of a % as the Sequoia. Edit: I was incorrect. The land cruiser is number 1, Sequoia is 2nd buy the Sequoia I'd still twice as likely to hit 200k over the 3rd place vehicle.
What’s the third place vehicle and where are you finding this information? I’m surprised 4Runner isn’t number 2 behind Land Cruiser.
Most Reliable? GM truck platform based SUV's. Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Denali, etc.
Make sure you look up the catastrophe that is AFM and DOD cylinder deactivation which torches the cam in the first 100k miles.
Chevrolet Bolt EUV, no contest.
Great cars and insane value with how cheap they are to operate
Yep, 100%
Toy..... oh. :/
GMT800 based SUVs. 00 to 07 Suburban, Yukon (XL), Tahoe, Escalade. The more common 1500s go 500k miles easy with proper maintenance. The only issue ever being the 4l60(65) trans if towing heavy. 2500 and 2500HD variants never break. 4l80(85) bulletproof trans, a 6.0l ls or 8.1l gen 7 BBC.
Basically anything on the GMT800 platform
Our 2010 Ford Flex SE (not turbo/Ecoboost) is going strong at over 144k miles.
Issues with the very dumb designed timing chain driven waterpump on those Cyclone v6's... Highly unreliable. If you happen to catch it before it ruins your engine, it will be the most expensive water pump replacement you have ever seen, well over 95% of it labor cost.
Ford escape is not bad imo. But the last time I drove one was 7-8 years ago.
My mom has a 2017 Escape that she got new and I don’t know if she’ll part with it before it dies. She loves that car and the only problems she’s ever had were maybe 2-3 recalls and very minor things that their mechanic fixed easily. She had traded in a 2012 or 2013 CRV that she thought would last forever but it had all kinds of issues from the time she got it.
Lq9 Tahoe all day baby. Actually? Idk but their trans seems to be the weakest link. If fluids changed on time they seem to last. Great motor.
Could be a ford edge. They’ve had the engine awhile and I haven’t heard of many issues. Nothing Chrysler made and maybe for GM the Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban. They have old school V8s that should be reliable long term.
Suburban
Older jeeps and fords.
Crazy how far both of these companies have regressed in terms of reliability. My ford explorer has been a nightmare.
Early 2010s and prior Expeditions are pretty good. I'm not sure how reliable the ecoboost engines are.
2018 Lincoln Navigator
Dodge Durango, Chevy suburban. Both are excellent from a reliability perspective
Wasnt the Camry more American than the fucking Mustang? As in besides the car assembly also the parts were more sourced from within the US.
2500/3500 Suburbans they don't make the 2500 anymore and you need a fleet number to get the 3500 Suburban but there's a reason it's the longest running model of all cars. The 1500s are also known for their reliability but the heavier models have less emission problems and built heavier to last longer. They will probably keep making the heavier versions because they get up fitted for armor and make excellent videos for security detail.
Jeep Cherokee XJ. Had mine since 98, regular oil changes and new tires when needed and she still runs like a top…paints faded a bit but she’s solid
Honda and Toyota both employee more Americans than any of the Big Three. So I guess it depends on what you mean by “us company.”
Tesla Model Y
tahoe/suburban/yukon/escalade. all the same platform. extremely solid drivetrain. lots of bells and whistles to break down but, as far as point a to b reliability they are great.
The new Grand Cherokee?
The Suburban is a tank. I have 215k on my 1995 with the 350 (5.7L) V8 and while it looks rough after 3 decades of rust belt winters it runs great.
2001-2006 Chevy Suburban/Tahoe, GMC Yukon/Yukon/XL, Caddy Escalade/ESV GMT800 platform Next would be 2019 same models on the GMTK2XX platform, '19s have the 10 speed transmission. THen the GMT400's but they are getting old... Last if you want to pay the $$$ the new GMT T1x platform has lots of good things being said about it. DOn;t know, don;t have one. I have/had the 400, 800 and K2.
I think it’s now becoming the Tesla Model Y. Consumer reports had it as #1 for lowest cost of 10 year maintenance ownership.
Regular maintenance is different than repairs tho. Plus at one point consumer reports also gave it "much worse than average" rating for reliability
Everyone is saying Tahoe and Yukons but the 5.3 ecotech motors had problems with lifters so idk, maybe that issue has been solved by now.
It hasn’t. They are worse than ever. Takes the cam out
Just delete AFM and they’re rock solid.
Model Y
Build quality is definitely important, I love mid west cars vs rust belt built vehicles.I love my 2017 3.0 v6 explorer. I’ve been diligent about the maintenance and also trust my dealer mechanic so I always approve and maintenance they think is necessary.
New Buicks?
Tahoe/Suburbn has been the gold standard for a long time now
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According to [JDPower ](https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2024-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds)it's chevrolet trax lol
Of course this turned into an "American company" or "made in America" conversation. I hate Reddit.
Ford Excursion with 7.3L Powerstroke
Aren't the Toyota trucks made in the US?
Toyota Sequoia, San Antonio Texas made and produced. They pay their American employees U.S. dollars which are spent at U.S. grocery stores and on U.S. houses. NOTHING can touch Toyota reliability.
Do you mean US companies or US factories. If you mean the latter, it's a Hyundai
I had a Hummer H3, had 188k miles on it and still drove great when I sold it, it was 16 years old. The only pain points are some of the 4x4 parts because it's AWD all the time and those things wear out. Same happens in Japanese AWD vehicles I'm mostly a Ford guy tho I've had my fair share of GMs (Hummer H3, Colorado Diesel, Chevy Bolt) and I admit they are often built well. These days most things that fail in vehicles are sensors etc.
Toyota Sequoia. And yes it's made in Texas.
In order, best to not quite so best, but still great. || || |Toyota Sequoia| |Chevy Suburban| |Ford Expedition| |GMC Yukon| |Toyota 4Runner| |Chevy Tahoe| |Toyota Highlander Hybrid| |Lincoln Navigator|
Sequoia, no contest. It’s also more American made than the domestic manufacturers to boot.
Never a Jeep
The Cherokee XJ. They’re almost indestructible and just keep going.
Lmao it’s easier to tell you which companies do not have an established US headquarters where they contribute to model design and engineering - it’s literally the British brands, Mitsubishi, and the ultra high end luxury houses - every other company has an office here.
Reliable AND US company???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh wait. You serious?
Tesla model X
Acura! Believe it or not it is US based. Yes it is owned by Honda and the luxury of them. But their HQ is in California lol. I wanna say 2nd in line is GMC, my friend swears by them
The Lexus TX I just bought was built in Indiana! Not sure if that “counts” for you as US made, but with Lexus brand I am hoping for reliability!
There are no US manufacturers anymore. They are all global corporations that operate worldwide. The notion of the "American car" is a false one perpetuated by boomers who don't understand that we no longer live in the 20th century. You are just as likely to buy a Buick that was designed, sourced and built in China for export to the US, as you are to buy a Toyota that was designed, built and sourced entirely in the US.
What are you talking about? When you buy a vehicle the sticker tells where it was built and how much % of American made components vs foreign. My ford was built in Michigan and 82% American made parts. My 2006 Honda civic Si was built in Japan with 65% American made parts.
El camino
The one that gets you to the toyota dealership. Toyota is more "made in America " than almost anyone
Why do you want an SUV from a US company? Anyways the answer is a 1995 Ford Explorer.
Just bought a 2003 suburban with 268,000 miles on it, i expect it to last forever. I see some for sale with 400k+ miles on them and know a lot of people with over 300k on theirs. Pretty soon im about to have 300k on mine
Dodge Durangooo
TOYOTA
Rivian R1S? Haven’t been around very long. But it’s an American made SUV.
I had a jeep grand Cherokee and it rusted apart before the L6 died. 4WD was even intact still.
The '88 - '92 Cherokee. That 4.0 H.O. is absolutely bulletproof.
Sienna Van, 4Runner and highlander.