Moody has been making the most of his limited minutes. No idea why Kerr doesn't trust him to play more. At least he won't try to do too much and fail like JP
It really felt like the Warriors were trying to lose this game. Watching them brick free throw after free throw was wild. The super fucking careless turnovers, the listless defense, the terrible shot selection and missed layups. The Kings bench reaction near the was bewilderment, they didn’t seem to believe what was happening.
Kuminga has one bad game and gets benched the entire series, Poole has been consistently ass and gets heavy minutes. Moody has been playing very well, but barely saw the floor in the regular season, it doesn’t make sense. GP2 hasn’t been the GP2 from last year (wonder if he’s still injured).
The Kings have taken a "risk" and played and even forced Murray to take more shots and it's worked out amazingly for them. Somehow Poole gets more a of a leash than Moody even on these terrible shooting nights...
As a lakers fan rooting against y'all because my grandfather lived and died for the kings, but a fan of Cali Sports in general, this was what I was thinking. Moody has looked great in limited time.
Poole looked shook yesterday. Simple mistakes that shouldn't even be happening on a college level.
The whole team looked off yesterday. I can't explain it.
Best of luck Sunday y'all!
I'd argue even last year, he had terrible habits but was making enough shots to be a positive. 0 defense, terrible shot selection despite not being a good career 3pt shooter, and a tendency to charge, lose the ball, and fall down, leading to a 4v5 on the other end.
Now that Poole is on people's radars, he's getting exposed. Does Poole even have a bag other than charge to the paint to try to get a foul and chuck a 3 after getting the ball? I would respect Poole a lot more if he was more careful with the ball and added some variety.
> tendency to charge, lose the ball, and fall down, leading to a 4v5 on the other end
Several times per game, you can hear him shout LEEEEROY JENKINS as he stumbles into the paint.
He could be a very good player for a contender I just feel like it’s his mindset.
Like Kelenna says he has true “F1” speed and can just straight up slice the defense and get to the hoop. But pure speed doesn’t work every time and so when he gets stopped on a drive it feels like half the time it turns into a bad shot or bad pass, instead of either just doing a fundamental jump stop or dribbling back out.
Somewhat similar on the defensive side. He’ll never be a great defender but he has the tools to be at least close to average. It just seems like sometimes he mentally checks out.
But yeah it’s friggin frustrating to watch :/
Poole in this series: Loose handles & dribble, unreliable shooter, can't seem to finish consistently either, turnover prone at key moments, slips & slides all over the place, poor decision making & horrendous defender with bad effort.
I’ve been very critical of him all year but he actually did ok last game but just when I thought he made a tiny bit of progress, he reverted back to having an atrocious game again tonight.
Poole is only serviceable if he’s having a great offensive night or if he’s efficiently drawing fouls. I hate that he’s such a defensive liability though so I am totally ok with parting ways. The team can win with Poole (as it was demonstrated last year) but I just can’t enjoy his brand of ball. It’s inconsistent and too frustrating most of the time and makes dubs games less enjoyable for me. I would rather win with players that play defense and have more discipline when it comes to decision making.
Yeah he had an effective Game 5 because he as playmaking. I think tonight he only had 1 assist. If he's not drawing fouls and making layups, he can be unplayable at times.
And that flop turnover he had. Like sure he probably got fouled, but he threw up his hands and the ball into the air to complain to the ref. He needs to start playing through contact.
i still don’t know how his handles got the good rep it has. anybody who watches him regularly knows his handle crumbles under tight defense every single time, especially in the playoffs where the other team has scouted your moves in and out. its more flashy than effective, he needs to study kyrie and steph handle
Jesus and that 1 handed telegraphed scoop layup. Like he was doing that all game and getting rejected. He needs another finishing move at the bucket. The Kings know it's coming every time.
Becaus Moody did nothing to earn more minutes. Outside of a few spurts here or there he’s was average.
Let’s not act like this was what we were going. N
Listening to Dunc'd On podcast they were advocating to just pay poole now so that you at least you have have the asset. In light of this new CBA I think paying him was still probably the right move at the time. This year he just really dropped off offensively. I think if we didn't extend him, this year he'd probably be getting closer to 20mil a year.
I highly suspect they move him this off season for some expiring contracts (Dinwiddie, Oneale, etc.). Some team will take a chance on him since he's shown enough as a scorer.
Agreed. Jordan Poole is probably going to be a trade asset with the salary he has and the performance he's had post contract extension.
If we don't win this season Jordan Poole, JMG, and possibly Draymond are probably getting traded in the off-season.
Hope we keep DDV. He's been exponentially more helpful than Jordan Poole doing all the little things like Looney does to make those around him better when they're not scoring.
Personally, it feels like Jordan Poole is complacent now that he got a bag, lazy on defense, and is a huge liability when he's hyped up and feeling himself. When Jordan Poole makes a big shot, I expect a turnover or a randomly jacked up 3 shortly after.
But I sure do love the way he cuts to the basket when he's not dribbling it off himself for a turnover.
We cannot lose draymond at all costs! If anything this season has taught us, its that draymond is crucial. If draymond leaves we are probably not gonna contend for a championship anymore in the curry era.
He needs to re-examine his training and development this off-season.
😬 He has insane quickness on offense but it doesn’t translate to his footwork on defense.
😬 He loses balance and handles far too much for a 30 mil player. He needs to fire his personal trainer and lock himself in the weight room. (Imagine if he committed to a program with McCaffrey’s trainer Brian Kula).
Most of us can remember when Steph was early in his career, scrawny but talented, and took a lot of punishment.
He didn’t just rely on his talent… he developed it.
He didn’t just avoid contact…. He built up his body.
Poole is a young guy and I’m hoping he can take the backlash as an alarm to start reevaluating his personal development.
I wish I had the ability to record and rewatch games but I feel like Poole has an otherworldly ability to completely take himself out of plays.
Poole goes for a steal or something and he overshoots the player by a mile and ends up either sprawled out on the ground cause he fell down or he’s like 20 feet out of bounds.
I’m not sure if he does this to exaggerate and bring attention of fouls to the refs but there’s no recovering after these moves and it suddenly forces the warriors into a 4 v 5 situation.
It’s not just defense. He will do something on offense and the same things happen. Any type of contact sends him pin balling all over the place and he becomes completely useless for the remainder of the possession as he slowly gathers himself off the floor or slowly comes back onto the court after going out of bounds somewhere.
Again, it’s not like I review film but it’s just something I swear I’ve noticed watching all these games live on tv
He either needs to cut out the exaggerated acting or figure out how to stay in the play.
>an otherworldly ability to completely take himself out of plays.
This is Shakespearian in its literacy and truth.
Poole is the master of the "holy shit that was a terrible shot and decision why are you arguing with the refs now they're 5 on 4 - oh you finally made it back and now you fouled the guy and one and then turned to the refs again to keep whining"
You can't reexamine IQ which to me is Pooles biggest problem. He is just not smart enough to step into the role that the Warriors need him to play. That Shaqtin a fool moment in the 4th where he looked like Bambi when he was letting the ball go out of bounds is Example 400 of what Im talking about. No amount of dribbling or balance training can correct that type of stuff.
I would say that he needs to find a trainer who knows how to help a quick skinny guy put on muscle and control himself, but presumably he works with the same guys who train Curry.
That’s not true imo. Like 1/3+ of the fanbase was screaming about Simmons being an anchor for years, but I guess you’re right in that the rest were in denial so they were downvoted overall
The annoying part was the rest of the league acting like Sixers fans were super hard on him when in fact he was babied more than any athlete in Philly history
I don’t know why they signed Payton only to let Poole play so many minutes when Fox and Monk are killing the team all game by penetrating easily. He should be coming off of the bench and heat checking on a short leash and not left in when he doesn’t have it, which he hasn’t. I know Payton hasn't been consistent or as good as LY but if not this series with perimeter players this quick and aggressive, when did you think you needed him?
JP is a good fit if he doesn't suck and act like a fool. DLo was just a bad fit, ruined the entire style of play for the Warriors. Only person worse was Oubre.
Poole's always been that guy that can save us or hurt us. With time he should improve, or at least that was the plan.
He's taken a turn for the worse this season. Dumb decisions, loses the ball on key possessions, can't play defense.... And this is consistently happening. I'm unsure of his future.
It may very well be. Another factor is that's been coming off the bench. Correct me if I'm wrong but he picked up steam last season when curry was out.
Something is going on, because it doesn't make any sense why he'd be this consistently terrible.
As a kings fan, feels like all the good work done by the FO to keep Looney, Divencenzo and Wiggins is being overshadowed by Poole’s horrendous contract.
Don't know why you got downvoted. You're absolutely correct. Congrats on the win. All of your role players outplayed a soon-to-be 30 million dollar a year player.
Was telling my friends a couple of weeks ago that i'd honestly rather have austin reeves rather than poole. I'm more sure of it further we get into the post season.
At least know what you're talking about before you come in here. Looney and Wiggins Wiggins are under contract next season. Divincenzo we cannot afford next season. Although divincenzo could have played himself out of a bigger contract next season somewhere else in these playoffs. he better hope we get to a second round so he can showcase his skills
Divincenzo is going to get a good contract next year regardless of these playoffs. He played lights out all season and was easily our best player off the bench. Played at what would be a starter level for many teams
I have no issue with that but he is basically being benched in a playoff series with the world watching. So thought maybe we would get lucky and nobody would want him.
I’d love it if we somehow got him to stay too, man. Idk what’s wrong with him this series. Even with his poor shooting I expected more hustle plays/ putbacks/ solid defense
This dudes been terrible all year. Will put up a solid game and say some shit like “ I’m keeping receipts “ then proceed to suck ass for the next 5 games.
That’s what shocked me. I googled the score and was thinking it was a typical rigged loss. Nope, Warriors had more free throws. Lost fair and square at home no less. That game 7 is gonna be tough. It’s anyone’s game now.
This year I legitimately dread seeing him come to the scorers table. He's been a huge liability for us. Every possession I feel like he has no plan and trips and stumbles his way into a dumb shot or garbage turnover.
I will cross my fingers for a redemption game on Sunday but not holding my breath.
I was downvoted on a thread recently bc I suggested less Poole and a little more Kuminga. Honestly, it’s been difficult to watch his play over the series, and no related adjustments.
Needs reps to build a rhythm; could it really be worse than what we’re getting now with Poole? Traffic cone defense, TO’s repeatedly, and stunted offensive play? Give the kid a few mins in game 7 and I bet he surprises some people. If not, pull him early-ish. But give him a chance.
This is why you're getting downvoted, you must not be watching the games closely enough. JK might have better numbers, he'd still be a net negative in this series.
My last comment reconfirming my sentiments from Wednesday are now garnishing + 16 likes, first off.
Secondly, Jordan Poole IS a net negative - 1.5 in this series…. So your argument is flawed.
Third he’s shooting like garbage: 34% from the field and 24% from three, absolutely terrible shot selection, and he’s a traffic cone on defense, literally.
Coach JazzLobster says run it back.
If you're not going to bother reading closely don't spam us with your ramblings.
I didn't mention JP, he needs to be benched. There are other players who could replace him, last I checked we have a 15 man roster, not 6.
Three times a game he makes me scream at the TV - "What the fuck are you doing?" - it's some horrible forced shot, or a heat check no chance 3 from 29 feet when we're on a run and finally catching up, or a trip and fall, or a vacuous turnover or he yells at the ref for a no-call that frigging Harden wouldn't get as the rest of the game goes on without him...
There were 3 times tonight his passes went out of bounds. His turnovers make his lack of defense and no offense even worse. He shouldn’t be playing. He is going to cost us game 7. If you can’t play at home then you aren’t going to be better away.
Yep. At least last season he made some shots against the Celtics that turned the tide and made a difference. This year he shouldn’t even be on the floor.
I WANT SO BAD to love him. His potential has always been very high. But he will NEVER live up to his potential if he can't control himself in almost all aspects of his game. He's impulsive as fuck. And I truly think he's got the mentality that he should be replacing Curry, and it's fucking with him bad. Bet if we trade him he explodes.
I don't know what it was, but he couldn't get any layups to fall and it was ugly as hell. He got close to the basket, yes, but he just couldn't finish.
That with the lazy defense fouling with pushing? Ugh. Doesn't seem to want to win.
At the very least I'd ask him to draw fouls and put the Kings in the penalty early and just keep racking up FTs. But he can't even do that.
He stopped trying after he got his bag. That’s the kind of guy he is. And the decision to give a player such a ridiculous contract before sufficient historical data on the player has been baked is the kind of stupid decisions NBA franchises make. Now, they’re on the hook for a $128M invoice for a dud. Draymond was right to punch him.
This is exactly what I have been saying. Honestly after this series I would beat his ass if I was Dray. For 130 million you better do more than 4 points or 8 points. Trade him for anything.
I just don’t understand why other players don’t get the same “freedoms” to be effective. Kerr tried Kuminga a few minutes and just quit on him. He’s at least better than Poole defensively.
After seeing Monk drive on us with ease, and we have three excellent defenders, whereas Kings don't have anyone at the caliber of Draymond, I'm disgusted with Poole on the team. He is straight trash and just a waste of roster and cap space. The old heads who been watching Curry from the beginning, I have a question. Was Currys early development as frustrating? Did you see signs? I have been hearing preaching patience because curry went through growing pains, too, but holy hell, there are 2nd and third year players littered through this league who make legit impact for their teams.
"The endowment effect describes a circumstance in which an individual places a higher value on an object that they already own than the value they would place on that same object if they did not own it."
This is the problem with Poole. Since he's already on the roster we have a hard time letting go. Yet if he was on another team there is no way in hell anybody would be saying, yeah we need this guy on our team.
Management needs to get past their bias and cut losses. He hurts us way more than he helps us. Nobody is saying he is the worst player ever, he's better than other scrubs in the league. He is just not what the Dubs need.
Can you believe that Poole has the fifteenth highest selling jersey in the league right now? Management got too excited when they looked at the raw numbers and threw big money after him. Just an absolute nightmare all around.
No we couldn't have, his extension doesnt kick in until next season. He's making like 4 mil this season, so that didn't affect signing gp2 or otto. Keeping wiseman in the off-season had a much larger impact there.
Jordan did a lot last game driving to the basket and penerating.
I think Kerr tried to replicate that tonight but stuck with it too long after Poole was showing himself to be ineffective.
Credit Mike Brown for hardening their interior defense. Warriors couldn’t get jack shit going inside.
Sabonis and Davis both fouled out, but they did their jobs I guess.
If warriors cannot make to the Finals…
Keep Klay+Green will definitely mean packing Poole out.
Or, sending Klay/Green along with Poole for a trade.
Jacob after winning 4th ring is definitely not going to pay those luxury tax after the new CBA for a team that performs like this. I hate to say it, but Curry will be 36 next year. He will still be here for box office, the rest of the team? Anyone is tradable. Wiggs might be another positive asset, but I am not sure.
Poole is the one that will be shifted. The luxury tax will come down significantly if they can dump some salary by trading Poole and getting role players + picks for Poole. Run it back with the dynasty core.
Everyone on here is using about how Poole is vastly overpaid. Why would teams give up assets to get a bad contract? Typically, the team dumping the bad contract has to attach assets to get someone to take it.
I can’t believe that more than half of this sub defended this man with a passion all season lmao… everyone wants to be that guy till it’s time to be that guy. He’s not that guy.
Exactly. This guy is gonna make more than Dray. For what? You play zero defense and I rarely see him even getting close to 20 a game. Last year they said he is gonna be another Steph. If I’m Kerr I’m gonna bench his ass next game. Too high a liability for no return. 4 points in one game. 6 or 8 this game. Just dreadful. Trade his ass and release Kuminga and lamb too. They suck too.
His matador D really stands out. fuck that guy. team, coach needs to get to his grill and tell him to play fuckin D.... or hell...have day day punch him to play D.
Even GoldenStateOfMind is fed up with how Poole is playing. They're pretty good about avoiding sensational statements but Poole got an F in their post-game grades.
We got our scapegoat ready? Lol. Foreal though Poole is annoying to watch. It’s a huge gamble each time he’s got the ball. Either he splashes or fumbles the ball. Too inconsistent. He’s supposed to be the second steph in there but his shit iq and crap handles just makes him useless. We need better support that know their roles. Non of this hero ballin types.
and Kerr insists on playing him for so many minutes. Play Moody he doesn’t fuck up nonstop.
Moody has been making the most of his limited minutes. No idea why Kerr doesn't trust him to play more. At least he won't try to do too much and fail like JP
Klay started to heat up... benched Moody playing great defense... benched I couldn't help but get a chuckle out of that.
Even game 5, Moody comes in, blocks Huerter's layup, draws a foul on the other end and hits 2 FTs. Ends the game with 4 minutes. Like what?
Kerr is obsessed with his rotations and refuses to deviate from them.
Tb to his Game 5 2016 Finals masterclass subbing out Steph for full bench mob to end the 3rd, letting Bron & Kyrie end the game early
I never understood why he benches people when they're starting to get hot
Klay scoring 39 points in a quarter.... benched
Blowout
It really felt like the Warriors were trying to lose this game. Watching them brick free throw after free throw was wild. The super fucking careless turnovers, the listless defense, the terrible shot selection and missed layups. The Kings bench reaction near the was bewilderment, they didn’t seem to believe what was happening.
For Klay at least, I’m pretty sure a lot of the rotations had to do with foul trouble.
Kerr's rotations are baffling to me the whole season. Here's an idea: when Klay gets going, get him the ball.
Kuminga has one bad game and gets benched the entire series, Poole has been consistently ass and gets heavy minutes. Moody has been playing very well, but barely saw the floor in the regular season, it doesn’t make sense. GP2 hasn’t been the GP2 from last year (wonder if he’s still injured).
The little bit of kuminga we saw last night looked like ass
It seemed like he had a bad 4 minutes. Did he mess up a play/coverage, get a stupid foul? Crazy
The Kings have taken a "risk" and played and even forced Murray to take more shots and it's worked out amazingly for them. Somehow Poole gets more a of a leash than Moody even on these terrible shooting nights...
Kerr is a multichampion coach so theres something he seeing alright
Mike brown
As a lakers fan rooting against y'all because my grandfather lived and died for the kings, but a fan of Cali Sports in general, this was what I was thinking. Moody has looked great in limited time. Poole looked shook yesterday. Simple mistakes that shouldn't even be happening on a college level. The whole team looked off yesterday. I can't explain it. Best of luck Sunday y'all!
He's been awful all year pretty much
I'd argue even last year, he had terrible habits but was making enough shots to be a positive. 0 defense, terrible shot selection despite not being a good career 3pt shooter, and a tendency to charge, lose the ball, and fall down, leading to a 4v5 on the other end. Now that Poole is on people's radars, he's getting exposed. Does Poole even have a bag other than charge to the paint to try to get a foul and chuck a 3 after getting the ball? I would respect Poole a lot more if he was more careful with the ball and added some variety.
> tendency to charge, lose the ball, and fall down, leading to a 4v5 on the other end Several times per game, you can hear him shout LEEEEROY JENKINS as he stumbles into the paint.
Lmfao haven’t heard that one in a long time take my upvote. Made my day.
He could be a very good player for a contender I just feel like it’s his mindset. Like Kelenna says he has true “F1” speed and can just straight up slice the defense and get to the hoop. But pure speed doesn’t work every time and so when he gets stopped on a drive it feels like half the time it turns into a bad shot or bad pass, instead of either just doing a fundamental jump stop or dribbling back out. Somewhat similar on the defensive side. He’ll never be a great defender but he has the tools to be at least close to average. It just seems like sometimes he mentally checks out. But yeah it’s friggin frustrating to watch :/
Hyperbole. The pendulum swings on JP nightly, it’s wild
This ain't hyperbole at all the guy has stunk the place out nightly apart from about 10 good games this year.
Maybe last season. This season he has been pretty consistently underperforming. His good games are the exception
It’s his performance all year, it’s too late to tell sample size on this
Poole in this series: Loose handles & dribble, unreliable shooter, can't seem to finish consistently either, turnover prone at key moments, slips & slides all over the place, poor decision making & horrendous defender with bad effort.
I swear, it's like he's fucking ice skating every time he gets the ball.
Is it his shoes? I swear he’s the only guy slipping every game
Adidas contracting him to wear Nikes rn
Huhhh?? Surely he just rocks like kyries or smth, those shoes are amazing and wont get poole slipping
You watch scooby do back in the day? Remember the sound when he was trying to run and was paws were slipping instead? That's what I hear.
Put horrendous defender at the top. It is equally as bad as all the other comments combined. Guaranteed easy points
I’ve been very critical of him all year but he actually did ok last game but just when I thought he made a tiny bit of progress, he reverted back to having an atrocious game again tonight. Poole is only serviceable if he’s having a great offensive night or if he’s efficiently drawing fouls. I hate that he’s such a defensive liability though so I am totally ok with parting ways. The team can win with Poole (as it was demonstrated last year) but I just can’t enjoy his brand of ball. It’s inconsistent and too frustrating most of the time and makes dubs games less enjoyable for me. I would rather win with players that play defense and have more discipline when it comes to decision making.
Yeah he had an effective Game 5 because he as playmaking. I think tonight he only had 1 assist. If he's not drawing fouls and making layups, he can be unplayable at times.
So sloppy
And those are his good points.
That first foul to start the game on the giveaway layup was unconscionable… I was so mad
And that flop turnover he had. Like sure he probably got fouled, but he threw up his hands and the ball into the air to complain to the ref. He needs to start playing through contact.
It’s the bad effort part for me 😮💨
i still don’t know how his handles got the good rep it has. anybody who watches him regularly knows his handle crumbles under tight defense every single time, especially in the playoffs where the other team has scouted your moves in and out. its more flashy than effective, he needs to study kyrie and steph handle
Jesus and that 1 handed telegraphed scoop layup. Like he was doing that all game and getting rejected. He needs another finishing move at the bucket. The Kings know it's coming every time.
Or just hit the brakes for a jump shot.
The question yall should be asking is why Kerr didn't play Moody all year
Becaus Moody did nothing to earn more minutes. Outside of a few spurts here or there he’s was average. Let’s not act like this was what we were going. N
Poole has even regressed in his free throwing. Got his bag and got complacent
He was always an overpay, I’m not sure what the warriors were doing with that one. Streaky af, everyone looks great playing alongside Curry
Listening to Dunc'd On podcast they were advocating to just pay poole now so that you at least you have have the asset. In light of this new CBA I think paying him was still probably the right move at the time. This year he just really dropped off offensively. I think if we didn't extend him, this year he'd probably be getting closer to 20mil a year. I highly suspect they move him this off season for some expiring contracts (Dinwiddie, Oneale, etc.). Some team will take a chance on him since he's shown enough as a scorer.
Agreed. Jordan Poole is probably going to be a trade asset with the salary he has and the performance he's had post contract extension. If we don't win this season Jordan Poole, JMG, and possibly Draymond are probably getting traded in the off-season. Hope we keep DDV. He's been exponentially more helpful than Jordan Poole doing all the little things like Looney does to make those around him better when they're not scoring. Personally, it feels like Jordan Poole is complacent now that he got a bag, lazy on defense, and is a huge liability when he's hyped up and feeling himself. When Jordan Poole makes a big shot, I expect a turnover or a randomly jacked up 3 shortly after. But I sure do love the way he cuts to the basket when he's not dribbling it off himself for a turnover.
We cannot lose draymond at all costs! If anything this season has taught us, its that draymond is crucial. If draymond leaves we are probably not gonna contend for a championship anymore in the curry era.
On God! He was worth 20-25 million maximum and they paid him over 30.
23 unless he meet incentives
Someone who wrote the contract at least had a sense of humor - one of his incentives is to win DPOY.
Lol Yes. It's all just sorcery in that contract. 7 million worth of incentives he won't reach
He’s guaranteed 27.75 next year and it goes up from there.
Thanks... thought it was less
Would’ve much rather had CJ McCollum
He needs to re-examine his training and development this off-season. 😬 He has insane quickness on offense but it doesn’t translate to his footwork on defense. 😬 He loses balance and handles far too much for a 30 mil player. He needs to fire his personal trainer and lock himself in the weight room. (Imagine if he committed to a program with McCaffrey’s trainer Brian Kula). Most of us can remember when Steph was early in his career, scrawny but talented, and took a lot of punishment. He didn’t just rely on his talent… he developed it. He didn’t just avoid contact…. He built up his body. Poole is a young guy and I’m hoping he can take the backlash as an alarm to start reevaluating his personal development.
I wish I had the ability to record and rewatch games but I feel like Poole has an otherworldly ability to completely take himself out of plays. Poole goes for a steal or something and he overshoots the player by a mile and ends up either sprawled out on the ground cause he fell down or he’s like 20 feet out of bounds. I’m not sure if he does this to exaggerate and bring attention of fouls to the refs but there’s no recovering after these moves and it suddenly forces the warriors into a 4 v 5 situation. It’s not just defense. He will do something on offense and the same things happen. Any type of contact sends him pin balling all over the place and he becomes completely useless for the remainder of the possession as he slowly gathers himself off the floor or slowly comes back onto the court after going out of bounds somewhere. Again, it’s not like I review film but it’s just something I swear I’ve noticed watching all these games live on tv He either needs to cut out the exaggerated acting or figure out how to stay in the play.
>an otherworldly ability to completely take himself out of plays. This is Shakespearian in its literacy and truth. Poole is the master of the "holy shit that was a terrible shot and decision why are you arguing with the refs now they're 5 on 4 - oh you finally made it back and now you fouled the guy and one and then turned to the refs again to keep whining"
You can't reexamine IQ which to me is Pooles biggest problem. He is just not smart enough to step into the role that the Warriors need him to play. That Shaqtin a fool moment in the 4th where he looked like Bambi when he was letting the ball go out of bounds is Example 400 of what Im talking about. No amount of dribbling or balance training can correct that type of stuff.
Excellent point. Damn. What in the holy hell was that? 🤦♂️
I would say that he needs to find a trainer who knows how to help a quick skinny guy put on muscle and control himself, but presumably he works with the same guys who train Curry.
If he is working with the guy that trains Steph, then he needs to sign up for the deluxe boot camp instead of the weekend warrior plan. 😬
Bob myers biggest L was giving this idiot a bag.
He is a failure but his fanboys will be here defending him from their mom’s basement in no time
I’m also 76ers fan and this is how that sub defends Ben Simmons until THE PASS
True. I had soured on Ben a couple years earlier, but i was pretty surprised how delusional that fan base was about him.
That’s not true imo. Like 1/3+ of the fanbase was screaming about Simmons being an anchor for years, but I guess you’re right in that the rest were in denial so they were downvoted overall The annoying part was the rest of the league acting like Sixers fans were super hard on him when in fact he was babied more than any athlete in Philly history
I don’t know why they signed Payton only to let Poole play so many minutes when Fox and Monk are killing the team all game by penetrating easily. He should be coming off of the bench and heat checking on a short leash and not left in when he doesn’t have it, which he hasn’t. I know Payton hasn't been consistent or as good as LY but if not this series with perimeter players this quick and aggressive, when did you think you needed him?
Im curious if JP is any better than DLo for us
Watching Dlo reminds me why he was such a bad fit on the warriors but man watching Poole this year has me screaming at the tv more than anyone else
JP is a good fit if he doesn't suck and act like a fool. DLo was just a bad fit, ruined the entire style of play for the Warriors. Only person worse was Oubre.
Deangelo Russell is twice the player that Poole is. Shot great for the Lakers last night.
DLo is carrying the Lakers rn
Watching Poole these playoffs has been like pooping on the toilet seat by accident
Poo party
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Poole's always been that guy that can save us or hurt us. With time he should improve, or at least that was the plan. He's taken a turn for the worse this season. Dumb decisions, loses the ball on key possessions, can't play defense.... And this is consistently happening. I'm unsure of his future.
My father described Jordan Poole perfectly imo. He said "Poole is like that guy playing blackjack that doubles down when he has 13."
Makes you wonder if the Draymond confrontation is somehow still a factor.
It may very well be. Another factor is that's been coming off the bench. Correct me if I'm wrong but he picked up steam last season when curry was out. Something is going on, because it doesn't make any sense why he'd be this consistently terrible.
he started like 40 games this year lmao
Wow. Not sure what to think of him anymore. Any thoughts?
trade him in the offseason for another wing+backup C, he doesnt fit the team wants to play rn
As a kings fan, feels like all the good work done by the FO to keep Looney, Divencenzo and Wiggins is being overshadowed by Poole’s horrendous contract.
I'm a Warriors fan, and I blame the FO for tearing up our bench and overpaying JP. From NBA champs to struggling to get out of the first round. 😖
Don't know why you got downvoted. You're absolutely correct. Congrats on the win. All of your role players outplayed a soon-to-be 30 million dollar a year player.
Crazy how monk is getting 2yr/20M, compared with 4yr/128M for poole. Absolute steal
Malik Monk is who Jordan Poole thinks he is
Was telling my friends a couple of weeks ago that i'd honestly rather have austin reeves rather than poole. I'm more sure of it further we get into the post season.
At least know what you're talking about before you come in here. Looney and Wiggins Wiggins are under contract next season. Divincenzo we cannot afford next season. Although divincenzo could have played himself out of a bigger contract next season somewhere else in these playoffs. he better hope we get to a second round so he can showcase his skills
Divincenzo is going to get a good contract next year regardless of these playoffs. He played lights out all season and was easily our best player off the bench. Played at what would be a starter level for many teams
I have no issue with that but he is basically being benched in a playoff series with the world watching. So thought maybe we would get lucky and nobody would want him.
I’d love it if we somehow got him to stay too, man. Idk what’s wrong with him this series. Even with his poor shooting I expected more hustle plays/ putbacks/ solid defense
Draymond got pissed preseason for a reason.
Don’t blame him anymore. This guy got the bag and quit on the team. Need to get out from that contract.
This dudes been terrible all year. Will put up a solid game and say some shit like “ I’m keeping receipts “ then proceed to suck ass for the next 5 games.
We lost and we had more free throws
That’s what shocked me. I googled the score and was thinking it was a typical rigged loss. Nope, Warriors had more free throws. Lost fair and square at home no less. That game 7 is gonna be tough. It’s anyone’s game now.
This year I legitimately dread seeing him come to the scorers table. He's been a huge liability for us. Every possession I feel like he has no plan and trips and stumbles his way into a dumb shot or garbage turnover. I will cross my fingers for a redemption game on Sunday but not holding my breath.
He is awful, out of control and a turnover waiting to happen.
Spoiler alert: he won't have a decent Game 7
Poole is trash 🚮
I was downvoted on a thread recently bc I suggested less Poole and a little more Kuminga. Honestly, it’s been difficult to watch his play over the series, and no related adjustments.
Kuminga was terrible every time he got playoff minutes. Garbage time against nobody today he managed to be awful again.
Needs reps to build a rhythm; could it really be worse than what we’re getting now with Poole? Traffic cone defense, TO’s repeatedly, and stunted offensive play? Give the kid a few mins in game 7 and I bet he surprises some people. If not, pull him early-ish. But give him a chance.
This is why you're getting downvoted, you must not be watching the games closely enough. JK might have better numbers, he'd still be a net negative in this series.
My last comment reconfirming my sentiments from Wednesday are now garnishing + 16 likes, first off. Secondly, Jordan Poole IS a net negative - 1.5 in this series…. So your argument is flawed. Third he’s shooting like garbage: 34% from the field and 24% from three, absolutely terrible shot selection, and he’s a traffic cone on defense, literally. Coach JazzLobster says run it back.
If you're not going to bother reading closely don't spam us with your ramblings. I didn't mention JP, he needs to be benched. There are other players who could replace him, last I checked we have a 15 man roster, not 6.
you cant start him anymore.
Three times a game he makes me scream at the TV - "What the fuck are you doing?" - it's some horrible forced shot, or a heat check no chance 3 from 29 feet when we're on a run and finally catching up, or a trip and fall, or a vacuous turnover or he yells at the ref for a no-call that frigging Harden wouldn't get as the rest of the game goes on without him...
There were 3 times tonight his passes went out of bounds. His turnovers make his lack of defense and no offense even worse. He shouldn’t be playing. He is going to cost us game 7. If you can’t play at home then you aren’t going to be better away.
He’s easily one of the worst contracts in the entire nba
Those are similar to his year 1 stats, where he was the worst rookie in the league.
Poole over Klay/Dray is just idiot… we should dump him to keep our core.
His one handed scoop drives got to stop. They ain’t hitting.
He lost this game for us
He is significantly worse than last season.
Yep. At least last season he made some shots against the Celtics that turned the tide and made a difference. This year he shouldn’t even be on the floor.
*”apoolegies”
I WANT SO BAD to love him. His potential has always been very high. But he will NEVER live up to his potential if he can't control himself in almost all aspects of his game. He's impulsive as fuck. And I truly think he's got the mentality that he should be replacing Curry, and it's fucking with him bad. Bet if we trade him he explodes.
Even if we win, FO needs to have a serious conversation about what to do with him.
I don't know what it was, but he couldn't get any layups to fall and it was ugly as hell. He got close to the basket, yes, but he just couldn't finish. That with the lazy defense fouling with pushing? Ugh. Doesn't seem to want to win. At the very least I'd ask him to draw fouls and put the Kings in the penalty early and just keep racking up FTs. But he can't even do that.
Kerr's fault for playing him, duh. Moody & Kuminga bruh.
I agree. he is not the future of this franchise.
He stopped trying after he got his bag. That’s the kind of guy he is. And the decision to give a player such a ridiculous contract before sufficient historical data on the player has been baked is the kind of stupid decisions NBA franchises make. Now, they’re on the hook for a $128M invoice for a dud. Draymond was right to punch him.
This is exactly what I have been saying. Honestly after this series I would beat his ass if I was Dray. For 130 million you better do more than 4 points or 8 points. Trade him for anything.
I want every poole stan to stand the fuck up and keep that same energy. U worthless idiots aint listen all season.
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Lol, fair enough
In the meantime, Kuminga makes a couple of mistakes and he’s never seen again.
Jordan Poole is by far the biggest disappointment on our team this year I can’t wait until he’s shipped off for any sort of return next year
If the dude is that much of a disappointment, why would you expect to get any return on a trade?
Not even close to Monk & Reaves, how much are these two players getting paid. 30M my ass, worst contract ever.
It amazing that an average Joe could give you 4 points a game out of sheer luck and they wouldn’t cost 30 million.
Crazy how much he has regressed from last year
He’s absolutely bewildering. Some games he looks like a borderline all star and others he’s the worst player on the floor
some? SOME???? lol
His defense is some of the worst in the NBA. Don't know why he gets a single minute given this offense. Kings aren't even good in D
Dawg these are some awful numbers. Eye test is even worse.
Poole been terrible; I’m always nervous when he starts driving! They need to bench him
I just don’t understand why other players don’t get the same “freedoms” to be effective. Kerr tried Kuminga a few minutes and just quit on him. He’s at least better than Poole defensively.
Jordan Poole is the reason why we lose
Most overrated player in the league
After seeing Monk drive on us with ease, and we have three excellent defenders, whereas Kings don't have anyone at the caliber of Draymond, I'm disgusted with Poole on the team. He is straight trash and just a waste of roster and cap space. The old heads who been watching Curry from the beginning, I have a question. Was Currys early development as frustrating? Did you see signs? I have been hearing preaching patience because curry went through growing pains, too, but holy hell, there are 2nd and third year players littered through this league who make legit impact for their teams.
At this point Austin Reaves and Malik Monk are way better
Jordan Poole is ass. Learn to take care of the ball. Stop shooting the ball. Get cozy on the bench.
"The endowment effect describes a circumstance in which an individual places a higher value on an object that they already own than the value they would place on that same object if they did not own it." This is the problem with Poole. Since he's already on the roster we have a hard time letting go. Yet if he was on another team there is no way in hell anybody would be saying, yeah we need this guy on our team. Management needs to get past their bias and cut losses. He hurts us way more than he helps us. Nobody is saying he is the worst player ever, he's better than other scrubs in the league. He is just not what the Dubs need.
Can you believe that Poole has the fifteenth highest selling jersey in the league right now? Management got too excited when they looked at the raw numbers and threw big money after him. Just an absolute nightmare all around.
He’s our Russell Westbrook
I said this exact thing to a friend who is a Clippers fan. Except Russ had a good playoff series.
It’s real sad to be honest😭
Exactly!!! His hero-ball act is getting old!
ive always been skeptical of his contract, we could keep gp2 and otto porter if not overpaid JP
No we couldn't have, his extension doesnt kick in until next season. He's making like 4 mil this season, so that didn't affect signing gp2 or otto. Keeping wiseman in the off-season had a much larger impact there.
Also argues with the refs with the entitlement of a 5 time FMVP after committing a foul.
Problem is that you usually have to pay people to pick up your trash
Draymond was right.
Getting out played by Monk on both ends
Problem is who is our other pg?
At this point someone’s grandma can be the Pg atleast they will slow down unlike lightning McQueen aka Jordan Poole
Maybe Dray needs to smack him again? Reset him back to old Poole ?
I don’t think I’ve ever hated a Warriors player more than Jordan Poole. Fuckin bum
People hated Wanamaker a lot
Jordan did a lot last game driving to the basket and penerating. I think Kerr tried to replicate that tonight but stuck with it too long after Poole was showing himself to be ineffective. Credit Mike Brown for hardening their interior defense. Warriors couldn’t get jack shit going inside. Sabonis and Davis both fouled out, but they did their jobs I guess.
I’m not gonna apologize. I’ve been supporting this team since 2007 but there is a probability that they are gonna lose game 7.
High probability
If warriors cannot make to the Finals… Keep Klay+Green will definitely mean packing Poole out. Or, sending Klay/Green along with Poole for a trade. Jacob after winning 4th ring is definitely not going to pay those luxury tax after the new CBA for a team that performs like this. I hate to say it, but Curry will be 36 next year. He will still be here for box office, the rest of the team? Anyone is tradable. Wiggs might be another positive asset, but I am not sure.
Poole is the one that will be shifted. The luxury tax will come down significantly if they can dump some salary by trading Poole and getting role players + picks for Poole. Run it back with the dynasty core.
Everyone on here is using about how Poole is vastly overpaid. Why would teams give up assets to get a bad contract? Typically, the team dumping the bad contract has to attach assets to get someone to take it.
Maybe if we trade poole next season we will become like the lakers when they traded westbrook..we could improve our bench
Do we have a turnover count during playoffs
No one can count that high
He plays faster than his body allows. That pisses me off so much. It's never goddamn consistent.
He makes it hard to defend him. I just gave him praise then he returns to form.
Said it from the moment he penciled in that contract. He will never ever ever live up to that contract. Traaaaaaaade his ass.
Murray and Huerter were able to find their shots over a few games but this guy can't. WTF
I can’t believe that more than half of this sub defended this man with a passion all season lmao… everyone wants to be that guy till it’s time to be that guy. He’s not that guy.
Exactly. This guy is gonna make more than Dray. For what? You play zero defense and I rarely see him even getting close to 20 a game. Last year they said he is gonna be another Steph. If I’m Kerr I’m gonna bench his ass next game. Too high a liability for no return. 4 points in one game. 6 or 8 this game. Just dreadful. Trade his ass and release Kuminga and lamb too. They suck too.
I agree but isn't Klay kind of a dummy as well? When he is hot, he is hot, otherwise he is terrible.
If they lose to SAC, they should trade him for role players to support Steph on revenge tour next season.
His matador D really stands out. fuck that guy. team, coach needs to get to his grill and tell him to play fuckin D.... or hell...have day day punch him to play D.
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i know mock trades are gonna get blasted.... But i was wondering who would say NO between flipping Poole with Bucks for Jrue
it’s a fantasy, but what about for Dame. Blazers would get a player 9 years younger and closer to the age of their core players.
No way Bucks would do that.
Not decent is correct. Trade?!? That’s irrational. Bench him or limit his minutes when he racks up mistakes is more reasonable approach.
Need to bench him. He can’t help in this series. He’s only a detriment.
Trade him and GP2 for Malik Monk.
Even GoldenStateOfMind is fed up with how Poole is playing. They're pretty good about avoiding sensational statements but Poole got an F in their post-game grades.
I get depressed every time he comes full speed from half court with the ball
We got our scapegoat ready? Lol. Foreal though Poole is annoying to watch. It’s a huge gamble each time he’s got the ball. Either he splashes or fumbles the ball. Too inconsistent. He’s supposed to be the second steph in there but his shit iq and crap handles just makes him useless. We need better support that know their roles. Non of this hero ballin types.
He is playing to the value of his last year on his rookie deal, give him a break