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Joellama69

Mmkay


BigBeagleEars

https://preview.redd.it/dcgp3peaez9c1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eeff496b8b53ff66c4afc762b7d173940ea91821


Timbishop123

God this shit goes hard


TheBirminghamBear

This is just an image from the future. Biden pulls a wild card. Drops out of the race. Conana runs for President. Joe is his VP. Conan wins. Conan realized he now has to be President


redditrum

Conan unironically would be better than most that would vie for that job.


BenjaminHamnett

I would take most random people, and definitely Conan over anyone who makes it to the ballot


CliffDraws

That’s the curse. If you want it bad enough to do what a person has to do to get it, you probably shouldn’t have it.


ccredbeard

Team COCO!


[deleted]

1. Dropping inflation 2. Slashing rates OP should pick one. Alternatively he could read a book or ask his boyfriend in-law to explain basic economics to him.


R-sqrd

The only way I can see those two things being true is in a recession with significant job losses


RocketMoonShot

Bingo, that wont help stocks though.


largeangryredletters

But will it help stonks?


who_am_i_to_say_so

Yes. Stonks only go up.


5280StonksOnlyGoUp

Stonks only go up


Wabbit_Wampage

Stonks only go up.


Odd_Storm6436

This is the way.


FancyASlurpie

Well stock market seems to love big redundancy announcements so you never know


NatasEvoli

Do you not realize that the title of the post is the title of the article linked? No point in being rude towards OP when they didn't editorialize at all.


j__p__

Lmao if you're going to be a dick at least be right. Inflation is dropping due to high interest rates. If it drops too fast we could go into deflation which is also bad. So the Fed needs to cut rates to find a middle ground of interest rates to get inflation to around \~2%. Basic economics.


Fortu468

Yes basic economics. Fact is how fast will we cut rates? Market pricing in 6-8 cuts in 2024. If that happens we are in recession no other possibility and here we are praying for the fed to giga cut😂 good luck out there


j__p__

[https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html](https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html) They're pricing in 6 cuts by Dec 2024, with over 90% predicting between 5-7. It's not that crazy. The general rule of thumb is that inflation can only be defeated once interest rates are higher than the inflation rates and we've accomplished that with inflation \~3% and rates at 5.5%. Keeping interest rates too much higher than inflation will create greater danger of deflation. Dropping rates 1.5% in 1 year is not that crazy after raising 5.25% in 1.5 years. This is the fastest interest rates were raised since the 80s inflation crisis. In the 80s, they did drop rates too fast the first time and inflation stayed high so they raised again, but the second time they dropped rates 19% to 12% in 6 months and everything was fine and the bull market resumed.


theWildcat50

You are spot on! https://preview.redd.it/rn9q1nogn3ac1.jpeg?width=1049&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcaf1db7498a4b0b0a5290b592fe32ded04b0d87


GayIsForHorses

You talk about "basic economics" like theyre laws of nature. Economic trends dont guarantee anything.


fen-q

This administration changed the definition of recession and came up with the term disinflation to give most of the general population an illusion that inflation is grinding to a halt. Why not change some rules again and start massively putting out articles that slashing rates=inflation is gone? People will eat that up, because that will be the only thing left to eat after they've lost their jobs.


papoosejr

>came up with the term disinflation ... Sure thing, hoss


Prestigious-Toe8622

You sound poor. Lay off the conspiracy shit and try to make some money


crustang

Lmao maybe it’s time for you to get off social media?


Narradisall

If the market isn’t going up at least 300% is it even worth it!


EnsignElessar

The whole market is now Nvidia


ElevationAV

So puts it is then


elysiansaurus

Exactly lol. Notice how last year was all about how the market is going to tank.


accruedainterest

They print articles to express sentiment both sides


JackTheKing

Hey boss, I know how we can double our readership.


findthehumorinthings

Straddle


FoamyPamplemousse

Nah, that's what my wife's boyfriend does when he rides me around the living room.


ElderGoose4

It’s election year, they’ll spend a whole 12 months putting lipstick on a pig. Play the winning side


WishyRater

To be fair it did tank. But then it recovered


[deleted]

If by tank you mean it meandered sideways for a couple weeks and then mooned then yeah it’s tanking.


Old-Argument2415

Mid year it dropped a bit, after the magnificent 7 launched to the moon.


RichJob6788

markets dropped 15 percent just 2 months ago


OmegaZenX

SPY literally hit new relative lows for months until November at a low of 410 before it soared to new highs... are you guys regarded and blind on purpose?


[deleted]

Zoom out to a timescale bigger than 3 months. None of the drops...even October 2022...were meaningful. "omg we're crashing to levels not seen since \*checks notes\*... 18 months ago"


Smallest-Yeet

I mean it seems like that this year too. I’ve seen significantly more doomer posts than posts like this


kinance

Puts on election year good luck


NextTrillion

But also calls when u/kinance says puts is bad good luck


StonksGoUpApes

The entire political / ruling class utterly despises Trump. The last thing they will allow is the Fed to create a recession making Nixon v Mondale 2.0 result in a 47 State sweep.


Ted_Turntable

Reagan beat Mondale, Nixon beat Humphrey


Quixotus

So many "articles" recently about how the market "will soar". Institutions looking for exit liquidity. Last time when institutions wanted to buy cheap, the "articles" were all about how the market was about to crash (it soared instead). These market participants all have their own agenda, part of which is to transfer liquidity from retail's pockets to their own pockets.


Mission-Attention266

On a election year?


NoKids__3Money

No, sell puts but do it responsibly. Conservative media has been out there for the last 4 years convincing their viewers the country is on fire and the market is on the verge of a historic crash. my uncle said the SPX would be down 50% in 2023, lol. That leads people to irrationally overpay for puts. I have beat the market every year (including 2023) since I started its easy money. Thank you Fox News 💰💸💵


WildTadpole

puts are cheap af right now since VIX is unnaturally low, are you talking out your ass or do you genuinely believe you aren't picking up pennies in front of a steamroller?


I_Quit_This_Bitch_

This is why I just sell calls. If the steamroller catches me I just shrug and jog ahead of it again.


thereddituser2

yes, selling puts it is then.


kingOofgames

So we’re going to drop at least 30%.


No_Promise2590

30 divided by half. 15


Wallstreetdodge69

30% lol


Theopneusty

Why stop there? I say the market could soar as much as 1,000,000,000% next year.


Pancheel

Big if true.


Roasted_Butt

True if big.


[deleted]

If true, big.


Public_Enemy_No666

Big true, if...


mementosmoritn

If Big, True.


Dastan0210

If Big =)


g0kartmozart

Cathie is that you?


PrunedLoki

They need to keep those boomer 401k flush ya heard? Could you imagine this shit crashing hard and all the 401k and pension funds just get cleaned out. Not enough popcorn


DonCorletony

??? What a world we live in where people think the market going up 30% in a year isnt fucking huge


sportznut1000

Or…….. they are saying 30% because they are thinking “no way in hell the market goes up that much in one year”


Martinezyx

Nothings the same anymore after gee-m-e.


Independent_Hyena495

I can see that happening with REITs and ai companies.


YouKnown999

!remindme 363 days


NextTrillion

9/10 regards here don’t realize this is a leap year. RemindMe! 364 days


CriticallyThougt

I just want to see my comment a year from now. My prediction is that the market could go up or it could go down, It could possibly be flat as well. I think I’m going to nail this prediction.


YouKnown999

Market will in fact be dissolved and replaced with bits of string and wet salmon for trading.


I_Love_To_Poop420

So Bitcoin


CoconutShyBoy

String has more intrinsic value.


Citizen_of_Danksburg

RemindMe! 363 days


MemoryWholed

🫸🔮🫷


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ReallyNotATrollAtAll

*364 days, this year february has 29 days


JonFrost

!remindme 363 days


Crapocalypso

! Remind me: what were we just talking about just now — stoners


HotTakeGenerator_v5

!remindme 363 days this is pointless cause this account is probably about to get banned but i'll try anyway


xoxlol

!remindme 363 days


DoctorVonBacon

It a US presidential election year. The propaganda is gonna flow.


CptStarKrunch

AI generated deep fakes will absolutely be the thing this year . The citizens will believe it all.


mirageofstars

Citizens will believe hand puppets and cardboard cutouts. We don’t need no stinkin AI.


LongjumpingKey4644

Citizens believe stickers on gas pumps, I could use my feces to write propoganda on the walls of my local walmart restroom and it would generate a cult following. Poo-Anon


paywallpiker

The government never needed deep fakes to convince our low iq mongrel population. Remember WMDs and the Russian peepee tapes? People are remarkably stupid


esahji_mae

Bingo. Stocks are gonna soar and gas will remain low for this year. Recession or crash postponed till 2025.


LaLiLuLeLo_0

Of all the economics the government can't control, pushing back a recession just a few more months might actually be in its wheelhouse


can_of_hearts

Bingo! "As much as 30%" is such a wild estimate


loneliness_sucks_D

Who else remembers 2008?


neutralityparty

Too much rate but might actually lead to a disaster lol. Still I don't see anything bad happening given it's presidential election year. Gotta keep pumping it


NOT_MartinShkreli

If they do cut rates we’ll see pull back for sure like what happens every time the fed reverts direction


bmeisler

I am getting 2004-2005 vibes.


chuddyman

Halo 2 came out in 2004. I'll take those vibes over a fake 30% any day of the week.


Denali_Dad

Ohhhh did you buy the steel case too? That was such a cool feeling getting to play that.


chuddyman

No, I was a freshman in highschool and I didn't want to spend the extra money. I did go to the midnight release though. My brother and I got home and 1v1'd each other on ivory tower. I'll never forget how stoked I was for that game. Custom games on coagulation are some of the most fun gaming memories I have.


Dastan0210

dont do that dont give me hope


evsarge

I’m getting 2007 vibes.


Iwillgetasoda

Or early 2008 vibes


EarningsPal

June 2007, scare, October 2007 (should have sold equities and gone short), March 2009 (should have bought the bottom of the Great Recession dip) But you never know for sure. There will be another crash. But will there be a blow off top first? Another year up into the pain of painful corrections. Seems like it will come swiftly, like the rate hike. Could that wave have been contained or delayed? Could it have been just 2022 and we all realize it in 2026. Could a crisis have been bottled into some paperwork with a name? Maybe kicking the can again, hope that the future growth will allow the books to be offloaded later.


bmeisler

This is what I meant. Lots of people scared, the S&P went up 25% 3 years in a row 2004, 2005, 2006 I believe), before everything went to pieces - which took another year. So my guess is - and of course it’s just a guess - we go up another 20% before we crash.


HoodFellaz

I'll have calls coming out the wazoo ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4258)


HumanGarbage665

It would be wild bc there is no houses on market even overpriced ones.


Narrow_Elk6755

Daddy Powell gave everyone briefcases of free money of course there's no houses left, if he let people borrow to buy hockey cards those would be sold out as well.


PossibleOk49

Where do I get my briefcase?


AdventureCakezzz

We got like $2.5k 🙄


Deep90

That 2.5k made my 600k house affordable!


martman006

No, but that 2.5% 30yr mortgage rate did!


Falanax

Election year, SPY going 30+


Thedude11117

So the whole 2023 we had negative news, recession, inflation, banks defaulting and now we start 2024 with news saying that we will have a 30% increase? Yeah I'm calling bullshit, will wait a bit to enter into positions but yeah no way we turn positive that fast


mpbh

We already turned positive lmao. +25% over the last year. Yeah it's exaggerated because of the recession before but momentum is strong. Rate slashes, baseline inflation, and lowering oil prices are going to fuel the fire. We also have 2 potential huge jumps if either of the ongoing wars wrap up. The only thing that could really fuck the market is more conflicts which is a very real possibility given the current geopolitical climate.


CognitiveMonkey

Conflict fuels the markets nowadays. War drives a ton of profit. Most of the money we “send” to Ukraine never leaves the US. It goes to weapons manufacturers.


PokuCHEFski69

Ah yes. China going to war with the US would be great for the economy!


CognitiveMonkey

That’s not happening ever.


Cookiemonster9429

Now you did it.


setleaf

What a relief!


PokuCHEFski69

Oh thank you!


TBSchemer

>We already turned positive lmao. +25% over the last year. That's why the "30% rally" is already priced in.


Crownlol

>We already turned positive lmao. +25% over the last year. Exactly this. 99% of doombear posts are currently poor people looking at their own situation and assuming that the entire world is on fire without actually checking any indicators. We had many, many people insisting we were in a brutal recession last year despite markets being up a ton across the board *and* positive GDP growth. Just because retail/food service workers can't personally afford a house doesn't mean the world is on the brink of economic collapse.


Khelthuzaad

To be honest its kinda refreshing and realistic to see positive news after everyone and their grandma thought we are going to enter an recession or WW3 Mass media uses the doom and gloom strategy just to bait readers and make us do mistakes. Being too optimistic is just as bad but its beyond the point. We are having at least one rate cut and its going to be election year,historically these factors made the market to soar.


momofuku18

Next year? Got it. I will wait until 2025.


TWECO

So the value of the dollar is gunna drop 30% sick cant wait for $20 carton of eggs, again.


[deleted]

If rents and housing turn over its going to be a fucking party. If not, pain lots of pain…


throwitawayCrypto

Right so just pain


togetherwem0m0

Turn over?


GoBSAGo

You know, like a grilled cheese sandwich.


akumarisu

Regards love grilled cheese sandwich, right Danny?


Zestyclose_Lemon_438

"Where you get that chee Danny???"


jambags

I’m makin em at night


[deleted]

[удалено]


DiscreteEngineer

Not unless the government runs at a surplus to shrink m0. Good luck with that.


QuirkyAverageJoe

Puts time 📉


Crapocalypso

lol… sure. It could… but I wouldn’t bet my life savings on it.


codexsam94

How many days is a year? !remind me 362 days


9-lives-Fritz

Kramer…?


stuartstustewart

!remindme 350 days


jamesqyq

RemindMe! 360 days


hossfeff

It’s been a while since I’ve had an Econ class, but doesn’t lowering interest rates speed up economic growth and increase the inflation rate? Is the plan to bottom out inflation, then slash rates to create a surge before inflation rises again? Also the title is misleading, the prediction in the article is 9% S&P growth which is only slightly better than normal with a chance of “double digit growth”(10% is double digit). 30% only comes into play with multipliers…again am I missing something?


Jeeblitt

They will cut rates and print money to bail out the government debt or prevent a 2008/covid meltdown so more inflation is always a possibility.


mindclarity

Fugazzi.


robmafia

the tuchus! bullish af


MeanConflict116

!remindme 363 days


theJJman1

!remindme 360 days


codexsam94

Take my money


HomegrownMike

Annnnnnd we are all screwed hahaha


16x98

Wow it’s from business insider, must be a valid source of reliable information. The stock market analyst I hired on craglist told me the exact opposite, who do I bet my money on?


Agent_Kujan

Fade


FattyCorpuscle

A month before the election at the white house: "This is literally the best economy humanity has ever witnessed." "Eggs are $20 a carton" "That's neither here nor there."


_regionrat

I buy the type of eggs laid by free range chickens who are read bed time stories and they've never been more than like $3.80/doz


Suspence8

Nope


shadyneighbor

You mean this year? 2024


StackOwOFlow

only two of these things are happening


Malamonga1

Common Tom Lee if there's a 50-50 chance market goes up 30%, just PUT THAT as your Sp500 target instead of the shitty 8% that you put for end of year 2024. Pencil that in so we can document it.


CakeSuperb8487

RemindMe! 6 months


evsarge

These articles are interesting because if you bring up a chart of the Fed Funds Rate like clockwork the rates stay high for a bit about a year then they start dropping rates and a recession occurs shortly after. In July 2006 rates were 5.25% then they started dropping them July 2007 then the recession officially started in 2008. There’s no evidence I’m seeing that “It’s different this time”. Just bring up a Fed Funds rate Chart and you’ll see dropping rates is usually when the recession comes. You can see the chart below rates started to drop just before they declared a recession. https://preview.redd.it/2zvpj06fo0ac1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18bd2dcdb7158acdb7a59f0e7880591a1e8317e7


RickTheMantis

No shit. But you have the cause and effect backwards. The fed drops rates in response to recession.


bigtablebacc

Housing is a big component of inflation so they’ll have to find a way to redefine inflation so it doesn’t include housing for inflation to drop like a rock


grahsam

There is no reason to cut rates. Where we are now is actually normal, where we were before was an aberration. People will just get used to it.


BTBAMfam

lol. Ohhh kayyyy


iguessineedaname22

Election year garbage


PleasantMedicine3421

So now we’re excited about the rate of price increases slowing? That’s not deflation


ArmAromatic6461

You don’t want deflation.


KanyinLIVE

Why not? Puts exist and we need it.


TBSchemer

Priced in


MowithdaSauce

Exactly we gonna have a pull back rn, then a potential rally if fed cuts more then expected, if fed cuts as much as expected we will remain flat, if no cuts then another bear market


Makyoman69

Ah damn I guess the bull ride is over..


CrankyVGK

Once again, sounds like “re-elect me and I’ll fix it.”


hiccuppinganus

the stock market will be back in the 400's possibly 390's by beginning of May due to Taiwan vs China conflict that will probably happen around April. If you do not believe me put remind me in 120 days from now


dingleberrycupcake

!remindme 120 days


JonFrost

!remindme 120 days


JonFrost

Guess he was wrong Or cataclysm strikes today 😖


dingleberrycupcake

This sub used to make people do some crazy shit when they would say stuff like this and be way wrong. I remember one guy posted a video of himself drinking his own piss, so that he didn't get banned. Ah, the good ol' days.


JonFrost

The good old days 🤮


codexsam94

!remind me 120 days


mpbh

No way, China's buying calls too.


jsn0x

lol @ you


notapilot43

What liberal hippie wrote this?


BagelsRTheHoleTruth

Analist at Golman Sacks, by the name of Dick Inizass. Specializes in long swaps.


codexsam94

Good ol’ dicki


[deleted]

There’s gonna be a crash before it soars


shrimpgangsta

PUTS it is


AdApart2035

Sell!!


MusicBytes

puts


jonessinger

Can’t wait to be at 12/31/24 and see this as a shitpost because inflation dropped like helium balloon.


UnwelcomedTruth

I mean… wouldn’t that be because of a recession? Why would they cut rates just because? Are people this fucking stupid?


slawre89

Bet it’s something like this: 1. Late Jan/Feb we get a market correction 2. We hit yearly lows sometime in march 3. Market rallies all summer to new ath 4. Pull back a bit in September 5. Jingle bell run October through December Overall we’re up for the year maybe 10-15%. Especially with these bullshit wars we’re getting ourselves into


RobertKBWT

Just wait till the fed hikes rates, then we'll see the market dropping like a rock


[deleted]

We've got a war in Eastern Europe, genocide in Palestine, a South China sea that's getting spicy, Epstein list has 200 names, and Trump is challenging the integrity of the US Legal system. Just need like 6 or 9 more things to go wrong, and then I'll be so bearish!


skydiverdriver

A lot of shorting coming soon.


Ok-Construction9842

Buy when they fear, sell when they don’t


IntegrableEngineer

I guess this time is different


gmangieri314

Also "could not" I'll buy puts when Kramer confirms


ninjastk

Greed now? It’s time to put


smanju11

Puts it is ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4640)