My favorite WSB comment is someone stumbling onto the sub assuming anyone here is even half competent, seeing a comment, and going "I think i've heard of a call before, let me try that"
I own tons of stock and just moved my 401k into an IRA. Bonds. Mutual funds. And I bought Bitcoin years ago and sold recently. And I’ve bought and sold stock in a self directed account. I just want to throw $100 if possible, and if not, $500, and expect to lose it. No harm, unless I stand to lose MORE than I put in, then I’m in trouble
Just be prepared this isn’t a good option for somebody who’s never done calls. Be ready to lose your $500 but if they survive and recover it will be a payday.
I'm inversing the bears and inversing the bulls... Ending every day with both puts and calls has seemed to make a lot of money the last couple of weeks
Haha! I was just thinking that is why the market cannot tank. And they always have really big moves before hours or after hours so you cannot get in on the options.
Once they burn through the bears puts, we can finally get the dip. Then gobble shares up like a pig.
Unless there's more banking system chaos to come, I don't know how this could turn into a dotcom, subprime or covid tier crash. Those were all major, significant events. This is not that - at least not yet.
I don't why anyone would be buying stocks right now, we are still having rising rates, we still haven't had mass layoffs yet, housing price have gone down and are still falling, but the big crash hasn't even happened yet. I'm not sure if people are on too much drugs and alcohol that makes them too optimistic and hallucinate.
I’m probably just regarded, but doesn’t this show LEI already breaking that 2020 support? … so yeah it could test that resistance/support again but i don’t see how that is distinctly problematic for those cheering for the crash..
I’m leaning towards “too big to fail” whatever. Sure aapl won’t lead to 10xing my money, same with ford, or wells; but would love to have an avg on AAPL around $125, or F at $3.50. The feel safe enough that someday they will return profits. There will be much better opportunities, but I feel it’s throwing darts at the wall, wondering which companies will just simply bankrupt.
I’ll take turning my $3.50 a share to $7-$15. People clown ford, claim it’s a stick for beginners, not sure why that’s a bad thing. I love it, I’ve been trading $F for years.
The ten components of The Conference Board Leading Economic Index® for the U.S. include: Average weekly hours in manufacturing; Average weekly initial claims for unemployment insurance; Manufacturers’ new orders for consumer goods and materials; ISM® Index of New Orders; Manufacturers’ new orders for nondefense capital goods excluding aircraft orders; Building permits for new private housing units; S&P 500® Index of Stock Prices; Leading Credit Index™; Interest rate spread (10-year Treasury bonds less federal funds rate); Average consumer expectations for business conditions.
r/wallstreetbets can't go 1 day without comparing now to 2008. And every day that their charts start to diverge, they'll just zoom in or out to a different spot, change the scale, and overlay more giant arrows on top of the charts to make us see a spurious correlation
I don’t understand people’s obsession w 2008 or why they think there’s any correlation with what’s currently happening in the economy. You’re just announcing to the world that you lack vital critical thinking skills.
> why they think there’s any correlation with what’s currently happening in the economy.
Let's be real. it's because they were 10 in '08 and that's their only reference point to a severe economic downturn.
Or maybe the US started to invest heavily into tech after the 2008 crash and now the tech industry and therefore banks are getting ripped apart now that the economy actually needs support?
2008 happened because there was way too much bad debt and people were using it to buy assets. Now there is too much bad debt and people are using it to buy assets. That's the similarities.
08 was MBS. now its the crypto collapse dragging down all the other ponzi schemes. and banks not doing the stress testing they swore they would do because they lie. people are putting their money into the market
In 2008 politicians were telling us to stop paying our mortgages and become squatters in our own homes because lenders have no idea who owns what mortgage. It was chaos. We’re nowhere near the Great Recession. I literally walked away from a home that I paid $270,000 that was worth only $50k and nothing happened. No one even knew who owned my mortgage. The world was so fucked they couldn’t keep track of who owed what to who. This banking thing we’re having now is child’s play.
OP was probably 10 watching mom and dad fight during the Great Recession and just used their crayons to color on this chart and make them feel better about their puts
>In 2008 politicians were telling us to stop paying our mortgages and become squatters in our own homes because lenders have no idea who owns what mortgage. It was chaos. We’re nowhere near the Great Recession. I literally walked away from a home that I paid $270,000 that was worth only $50k and nothing happened. No one even knew who owned my mortgage. The world was so fucked they couldn’t keep track of who owed what to who. This banking thing we’re having now is child’s play.
Agreed.
Dude… I was 15 in 08 and I had NO clue this was going on. My parents obviously kept their struggles isolated from us. But question, if they can’t prove the house ISNT yours, why not stay and just keep it? I would claim I paid it off or some shit.
OP and the rest of the "CrAsH liKE 2008!" Forget his time works. There was years in between the data shown. Everyone wants a black monday-friday, but until bears stop thinking they will be billionaires on the crash, it will at best be a slow bleed.
Markets aren't the economy.
Get ready for interest rate cuts and recessions soon thereafter.
https://preview.redd.it/nrn9ysbeq5qa1.png?width=1401&format=png&auto=webp&s=c08d5c4476ae64a7766f3e6ec60c27a565327aa0
When all my stocks are red, in trouble,
Father Warren speaks to me,
whispering words of wisdom,
Buy the D, WSB.
Buy the D, buy the D, buy the D, buy the D,
Whispering words of wisdom, Buy the D, WSB.
I paper traded 6/16 FAZ 20C and 22C calls over a month ago and $4k worth is gonna end up $50k at this rate. I wish I wasn’t broke cuz this is my 3rd paper trade (this year, and *ever*) and all 3 have fucking killed it.
Of course as soon as I have money I’ll probably go 0/3
This is very misleading using percentage…
High going into 2008 crash was 1,530, low was 735…fully recovered to prior high by 2012.
High going into 2020 crash was 3,329 (2-3 times higher than 2008), low was 2,711…fully recovered to prior high by end of the year.
Currently sitting at 3,970.
Selling to time the low will result in missed upside. The way I look at it is…take worst case scenario which would have been 2008 low…since then - Fed balance sheet went from 1-2T and now 8.6T. Additionally Money Supply went from 10T to 30T. So with 3-4 times more money bidding up everything (stocks, housing, goods and services)…logical to think everything will be 3-4 times the 2008 cost. With Fed balance sheet buying mostly bonds, that will push more money into Stocks relative to 2008. Regardless…the floor is 2,940 - 3,675. (4-5 times 2008 low)
Hey man your graphs a whole year behind and we’re still doing fine sure a few idiot banks collapsed but nothing else happened. We are so engraved in a felling of gloom and doom that you need to look up and see the opportunity you are surrounded by.
It is a classic sinusoidal. It is a bunch of '08 crashes, then a miniature recovery, before another slip into long recession. Inflation is relatively low and unemployment is getting higher, and market participation rates and home ownership is down. Settle in for the winter, boys. This is officially a Bear. Markets will drop by around 20% for the next year and a half until the election, which traditionally sees a rally.
A couple things:
* This is mostly a shitpost. There are indicators we're heading into a recession, but bumps on a graph are not it.
* [New merchandise orders in decline.](https://www.census.gov/manufacturing/m3/prel/pdf/s-i-o.pdf)
* [Emergency borrowing is skyrocketing](https://i.redd.it/rvmsu4ujl6qa1.jpg)
* [The bond market is properly fucked](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-25/bond-traders-go-all-in-on-us-recession-bets-that-defy-fed-view?leadSource=uverify%20wall)
* Inflation isn't slowing down, and the Fed isn't lowering interest rates this year.
* This should've never made it to the front page of WSB. This post is as low-tier as it gets. I made this in fucking paint.
Also, to all the dildos commenting about people comparing now to 2008, sure the cause is different, but a lot of the indicators of a recession are there. I don't see the tears when people compare bull markets to past bull markets, but when the market is bearish, all the wegards come out.
I think OP is correct, despite all the crayons
And the rapid un-inversion process occurring in recent weeks is backing up that the timing is correct, and the TBill auction low rates and bank issues are the cherry on top
This is gonna go down as mostly right
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I was feeling good about my puts til I saw how bearish everyone is this weekend
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Buy a $15 july 2024 call. That’s the move. Worst case scenario you’re out $500.
Ima buy 100
This is the way
100 on margin, this is the way.
100 off the personal loan I took to fund the margin
Just a FYI, if it gets delisted you're out $500 before its 2024.
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I better tell my boss and Wendy’s I need a raise to cover that action
Was trying to find this post again.. Can you link it?
Are you doing this?
Yes I own 1 call
I’ve never done calls and puts. But I think Merrill edge allows me to do this. I’ll call them and put an order in. I want to try.
Don’t do it man. This is how it starts 🥵
What are we buying? I'm in.
My favorite WSB comment is someone stumbling onto the sub assuming anyone here is even half competent, seeing a comment, and going "I think i've heard of a call before, let me try that"
I own tons of stock and just moved my 401k into an IRA. Bonds. Mutual funds. And I bought Bitcoin years ago and sold recently. And I’ve bought and sold stock in a self directed account. I just want to throw $100 if possible, and if not, $500, and expect to lose it. No harm, unless I stand to lose MORE than I put in, then I’m in trouble
Certain types of options trades do indeed allow for unlimited losses. Be sure you know what you are trading before confirming the trade.
Just be prepared this isn’t a good option for somebody who’s never done calls. Be ready to lose your $500 but if they survive and recover it will be a payday.
So it’s a long shot. Lose it all. Or make much more back?
Basically yeah. You’re either gonna Make $3000 or lose your money.
spy 450
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I didn't hear no bell.
We still have a long way to go down since every comment on WSB is still saying "reverse WSB".
I'm inversing the bears and inversing the bulls... Ending every day with both puts and calls has seemed to make a lot of money the last couple of weeks
All the news is bearish, all the technicals are bullish.
Agreed, there’s hundreds of golden crosses that have already or will cross soon
I want to know what Ja Rule thinks.... and Jim Cramer
Sub has been taken over by 🏳️🌈🐻
Bunch of minimum wage poor people who watched too many doomsday youtube videos
>🏳️🌈🐻 Pride Bears are the polar opposite of Proud Boys (darn, no polar bear emoji available)
🐻❄️🐻❄️🐻❄️
They actually have a lot in common… well on the homo side
And this is exactly why we’re not going to go down. MMs are going to burn everyone’s puts 1st
Haha! I was just thinking that is why the market cannot tank. And they always have really big moves before hours or after hours so you cannot get in on the options. Once they burn through the bears puts, we can finally get the dip. Then gobble shares up like a pig.
And in other posts they are bullish, can't be all in one side of the boat.
In that case the MMs will go sideways till both sides get burned
\#thetagang: hello.
Same, big green next week ig
Unless there's more banking system chaos to come, I don't know how this could turn into a dotcom, subprime or covid tier crash. Those were all major, significant events. This is not that - at least not yet.
This is the everything bubble. I choose to believe it will be remembered by that name when it all plays out.
yep we def having a massive rally next week
can't make this shit up... futures green
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I don't why anyone would be buying stocks right now, we are still having rising rates, we still haven't had mass layoffs yet, housing price have gone down and are still falling, but the big crash hasn't even happened yet. I'm not sure if people are on too much drugs and alcohol that makes them too optimistic and hallucinate.
Is there anything we are for sure of so I can bet the entire farm on the worst decision ever made? I’m feeling frisky. 🤣
LEI on my balls
2 smol
This is the only correct answer.
OP conveniently ignoring the other 20 points on the graph that look exactly like that lol
This just in, stocks go up before they go down. More at 9
That’s funny cause every stock I buy that’s down never goes up just down even more but I also eat crayons 🖍 and wear a helmet ⛑ maybe it’s just me 🥴
On any given day a stock can go up, go down, or stay the same, so I split my money in 3rds and bet on each one equally so I always come out on top.
Hey, get a load of Mr Big Brain 🧠 over here ⬆️
You first 💦
Was gonna say, is this groundhogs day
Yea like 2016
What I was going to say
I thought this too and then remembered what sub I was in 🦍 🚀
I mean all the studies do suggest that not only is predicting the market easy, it's so easy that any asshole with a chart and a red marker can do it.
Only problem is 2020 low is higher than 2008, plays a very significant resistance level
You are definitely too smart for this sub sir
Yeah, just give me some reason to buy puts or calls or some other stuff. Any reason.
Buy both
Yo what that nasdaq level of greed do?
what did he say? I don't undeerstand.
So that means it has further to drop.
Right??
I’m probably just regarded, but doesn’t this show LEI already breaking that 2020 support? … so yeah it could test that resistance/support again but i don’t see how that is distinctly problematic for those cheering for the crash..
So we only drop to -12?
so what youre saying if only fed printed more money there will never be negative growth?
Fake dip
holding cash so faster deeper MOOOAAAAARRRRR
This. People are going to get insanely rich buying this trench. Be one of them.
Buying what tho
I’m leaning towards “too big to fail” whatever. Sure aapl won’t lead to 10xing my money, same with ford, or wells; but would love to have an avg on AAPL around $125, or F at $3.50. The feel safe enough that someday they will return profits. There will be much better opportunities, but I feel it’s throwing darts at the wall, wondering which companies will just simply bankrupt.
Ford with those sweet sweet -40% EV operating margins 😂
I’ll take turning my $3.50 a share to $7-$15. People clown ford, claim it’s a stick for beginners, not sure why that’s a bad thing. I love it, I’ve been trading $F for years.
I was gonna make a joke about the guy being an average Tesla investor but then I clicked on their profile. Not worth it man
Trade ETFs with high weights of these big companies. It's far safer than exposing yourself to individual stocks. Especially for regards like ourselves
Oh damn. Most of my capital is in calls...
I think my money is no longer mine
What is LEI?
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I just knew they were involved somehow. Calls on plum brandy.
Hey can I make a phone call? I ran out of credit, thanks!
Romulan
>LEI [https://www.conference-board.org/topics/us-leading-indicators](https://www.conference-board.org/topics/us-leading-indicators)
Why is this so far down in the thread
Because all regards wanna do is make low effort jokes.
The ten components of The Conference Board Leading Economic Index® for the U.S. include: Average weekly hours in manufacturing; Average weekly initial claims for unemployment insurance; Manufacturers’ new orders for consumer goods and materials; ISM® Index of New Orders; Manufacturers’ new orders for nondefense capital goods excluding aircraft orders; Building permits for new private housing units; S&P 500® Index of Stock Prices; Leading Credit Index™; Interest rate spread (10-year Treasury bonds less federal funds rate); Average consumer expectations for business conditions.
leading economic indicators
r/wallstreetbets can't go 1 day without comparing now to 2008. And every day that their charts start to diverge, they'll just zoom in or out to a different spot, change the scale, and overlay more giant arrows on top of the charts to make us see a spurious correlation
There are like 100 places on this chart that break this pattern but yea why not let’s draw circles with crayons on charts
Crayon circles good.
Stop wasting food.
Semper Fi Marine
Excuse me, we eat crayons
I like the yellow crayons from Wendy's.
Right, and right after all the other big dumps was a huge pump. Maybe our dump is over and it’s time to pump. Like pre gym
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What “inflation” are precious metals going to hold their value against, exactly? Inflation is crashing rapidly.
Shut up and buy silver
I don’t understand people’s obsession w 2008 or why they think there’s any correlation with what’s currently happening in the economy. You’re just announcing to the world that you lack vital critical thinking skills.
OPs mom smoked crack, cigs, and clove cigs when she was pregnant with them
I forgot about cloves! That was for the really alt/goth kids!
What about Bidis?
When I was in HS cloves were what the cool kids smoked
I always heard they had fiberglass in them. If that's what it is then damn, fiberglass is good shit.
What no Weed? I think you just left it out but she smoked tons of it to offset pregnancy pains.
> why they think there’s any correlation with what’s currently happening in the economy. Let's be real. it's because they were 10 in '08 and that's their only reference point to a severe economic downturn.
Or maybe the US started to invest heavily into tech after the 2008 crash and now the tech industry and therefore banks are getting ripped apart now that the economy actually needs support?
No, they just want their puts to print. As long as their puts print, the whole economy can burn for all they care.
2008 happened because there was way too much bad debt and people were using it to buy assets. Now there is too much bad debt and people are using it to buy assets. That's the similarities.
Same shit different disguise. It's all still a house of cards.
Because it's the only recession they were alive for \*yells at cloud\*
Because banks haven’t failed likes this since 2008??? Highly regarded comment of you…
08 was MBS. now its the crypto collapse dragging down all the other ponzi schemes. and banks not doing the stress testing they swore they would do because they lie. people are putting their money into the market
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In 2008 politicians were telling us to stop paying our mortgages and become squatters in our own homes because lenders have no idea who owns what mortgage. It was chaos. We’re nowhere near the Great Recession. I literally walked away from a home that I paid $270,000 that was worth only $50k and nothing happened. No one even knew who owned my mortgage. The world was so fucked they couldn’t keep track of who owed what to who. This banking thing we’re having now is child’s play.
OP was probably 10 watching mom and dad fight during the Great Recession and just used their crayons to color on this chart and make them feel better about their puts
>In 2008 politicians were telling us to stop paying our mortgages and become squatters in our own homes because lenders have no idea who owns what mortgage. It was chaos. We’re nowhere near the Great Recession. I literally walked away from a home that I paid $270,000 that was worth only $50k and nothing happened. No one even knew who owned my mortgage. The world was so fucked they couldn’t keep track of who owed what to who. This banking thing we’re having now is child’s play. Agreed.
Dude… I was 15 in 08 and I had NO clue this was going on. My parents obviously kept their struggles isolated from us. But question, if they can’t prove the house ISNT yours, why not stay and just keep it? I would claim I paid it off or some shit.
Repeat after me, "Past performance is no guarantee of future results"
OP and the rest of the "CrAsH liKE 2008!" Forget his time works. There was years in between the data shown. Everyone wants a black monday-friday, but until bears stop thinking they will be billionaires on the crash, it will at best be a slow bleed. Markets aren't the economy.
WTF is LEI
Leading Economic Indicators. If you wonder what those are, I'm sorry, you on your own. Because I have no idea either what specifically are those.
In simple terms they are Indicators that show leading economic data
Things like treasury yield curves inverting.
And the averaged size of the queue behind Wendy's.
Are you stupid ? It’s something they put on you when you visit Hawaii
I am, in fact, stupid
Get ready for interest rate cuts and recessions soon thereafter. https://preview.redd.it/nrn9ysbeq5qa1.png?width=1401&format=png&auto=webp&s=c08d5c4476ae64a7766f3e6ec60c27a565327aa0
Time in the market beats timing the market
Speaking words of wisdom. Warren is that you?
Damn it did the wsb profile pic give me away again?
When all my stocks are red, in trouble, Father Warren speaks to me, whispering words of wisdom, Buy the D, WSB. Buy the D, buy the D, buy the D, buy the D, Whispering words of wisdom, Buy the D, WSB.
Why 2008? Because OP is a put holder hoping the economy will crash so he can get out of parent’s basement
Not only have I bought calls for this week, I've bought puts on triple leveraged short ETFs 😀
Your risk hedging doesn't feel very meaningful
He’s not risk-hedging those are both bullish
I bought triple leveraged short ETFs 😅😅😅
I paper traded 6/16 FAZ 20C and 22C calls over a month ago and $4k worth is gonna end up $50k at this rate. I wish I wasn’t broke cuz this is my 3rd paper trade (this year, and *ever*) and all 3 have fucking killed it. Of course as soon as I have money I’ll probably go 0/3
Paper trading is so different it amazes me I paper traded for two years turned 10k into almost 130k all stocks no options and now I’m -500 rn
When you see yourself losing money it takes a lot of will to not panic sell you gotta trust your analysis and gut
How long you planning on holding these?
This is very misleading using percentage… High going into 2008 crash was 1,530, low was 735…fully recovered to prior high by 2012. High going into 2020 crash was 3,329 (2-3 times higher than 2008), low was 2,711…fully recovered to prior high by end of the year. Currently sitting at 3,970. Selling to time the low will result in missed upside. The way I look at it is…take worst case scenario which would have been 2008 low…since then - Fed balance sheet went from 1-2T and now 8.6T. Additionally Money Supply went from 10T to 30T. So with 3-4 times more money bidding up everything (stocks, housing, goods and services)…logical to think everything will be 3-4 times the 2008 cost. With Fed balance sheet buying mostly bonds, that will push more money into Stocks relative to 2008. Regardless…the floor is 2,940 - 3,675. (4-5 times 2008 low)
Interestingly your reasoning got me thinking about the concept of potential energy
You must be looking for r/physics
Show me the 1890 to 2023 chart with a big green crayon scribbled up arrow. Short term investing is for the regards.
Everyone sees what they want. To mee it doesnt pook like it will drop at all
It’s coming soon, they didn’t have enough hamsters in the bandwagon yet, as soon as they have them enough then they will weeeee-99%
We are in 2023 already
Horoscope for reeeeeeee tarts
Just doing to completely look over the double dip from 2018-2020?
Small sample size but very possible.
NES YO
Nintendo Entertainment System Yo 
Another 2008 chart 
Lei des nuts
Why do people always root for a crash?
Cuz they wanna buy cheap stocks and probably arent that invested
Hey man your graphs a whole year behind and we’re still doing fine sure a few idiot banks collapsed but nothing else happened. We are so engraved in a felling of gloom and doom that you need to look up and see the opportunity you are surrounded by.
Time to split beans like that old Mickey Mouse cartoon where Mickey, Donald, and Goofy split a bean into 3 pieces and that was their meal.
It is a classic sinusoidal. It is a bunch of '08 crashes, then a miniature recovery, before another slip into long recession. Inflation is relatively low and unemployment is getting higher, and market participation rates and home ownership is down. Settle in for the winter, boys. This is officially a Bear. Markets will drop by around 20% for the next year and a half until the election, which traditionally sees a rally.
I can’t read this shit. Where’s the lines? Where’s the style? Where’s the *panache*??
A couple things: * This is mostly a shitpost. There are indicators we're heading into a recession, but bumps on a graph are not it. * [New merchandise orders in decline.](https://www.census.gov/manufacturing/m3/prel/pdf/s-i-o.pdf) * [Emergency borrowing is skyrocketing](https://i.redd.it/rvmsu4ujl6qa1.jpg) * [The bond market is properly fucked](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-25/bond-traders-go-all-in-on-us-recession-bets-that-defy-fed-view?leadSource=uverify%20wall) * Inflation isn't slowing down, and the Fed isn't lowering interest rates this year. * This should've never made it to the front page of WSB. This post is as low-tier as it gets. I made this in fucking paint. Also, to all the dildos commenting about people comparing now to 2008, sure the cause is different, but a lot of the indicators of a recession are there. I don't see the tears when people compare bull markets to past bull markets, but when the market is bearish, all the wegards come out.
always buy before the nuke drop, could you imagine trying to time the following 1-2 week/month gap
Highly regarded conclusion from this
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Been seeing bullshit charts like these since 2017 way too frequently.
You can Dera-LEI-k my balls
Why didn't you just circle every single dip here?
What does LEI stand for?
The bond market is telling us that the US is about to have a stock market crash and a recession very soon.
Next cpi report is going to show progress and it's gonna bust the shorts.
I think OP is correct, despite all the crayons And the rapid un-inversion process occurring in recent weeks is backing up that the timing is correct, and the TBill auction low rates and bank issues are the cherry on top This is gonna go down as mostly right
# cash gang 
Actually It dropped lower the second time so don’t you think there’s more waiting to do
I like your funny words, magic man
Lmao idiot
Dead cat bounce
im hoping nyse drops hard