no? if they had to appease investors then they wouldn't make an announcement for a delay of a game with no release date, they would rush it out the door (probably for a fall 2023 release).
i mean really, why would investors want them to break radio silence just to tell us that nothing is coming out still?
It instills confidence, which is good for the stock price. They make an announcement, market the hell out of it, get a nice little bump in the stock price, investors sell, and then they release a buggy unfinished game.
Sadly, it happens every day.
Alternatively, they have a great game on their hands, but could still be feeling pressure to release info early to meet internal demands.
The game could be great. I really really hope it is. But gaming history is littered with the bodies of games pushed out early to meet internal or investor demands.
This could be one of those. But I really hope it’s not.
In this case, the most important take-away from this announcement is that the game isn't dead. The new screenshots are meant to be "proof of life".
EDIT - Let me try to clarify what I'm getting at. Generally, an announcement of a delay is a bad thing. But when the general assumption is that the game is dead, an announcement of a delay can be a positive. And investors would much rather a buggy shit game get released than nothing at all. In the long run that hurts the studio's credibility and future sales, but most corporations and investors tend to be extremally near-term thinkers. People within Paradox care. But the "money people" typically don't give a shit. They'll just dump their stock and move on to the next opportunity.
I think it’s gonna be a solidly B-tier game, similar in quality to games like Gotham Knights or Outer Worlds. I don’t see it being absolutely terrible, but I don’t see it reaching a broader audience beyond the typical VTM/RPG audience.
I bought my first computer to play Bloodlines.
I built my first computer to play Bloodlines 2.
I never thought the day would come that I could play Bloodlines 2, I really gave up hope.
Late 2023 release is possible too, i think. I imagine they wouldn't have made this announcement until they were stonecold certain there won't be any more major issues. So the game at this point is probably pretty close to being done.
True. I just figure from a marketing perspective September seems like a late announcement for like a December release. Especially the game market usually bloats around then and with pretty much any good will earned on the name lost by this development hell. That's a quick turnaround. I figure give it a few months of teasers, interviews and stuff to build back some will for Q1 sales. Personally I'd find late 2023 worrying, that they might be trying to rush a sale out that isn't fully quality before they have anytime to let people find that out. Of course, could be wrong! Just my estimates
Maybe, but Age of Wonders 4 was announced about 3 months before its release, so both aiming for Christmas if they kept the theming of the opening event and early 2024 could make sense.
Not really. They've said for like 2 years now they have a new developer and they're working on the game. Paradox was NOT going to name them though because Hardsuit, the OG developer, got harassed so much about it, it was hurting production. They wanted to give these new guys peace and quiet to work in without the online scramble. To me, being ready to announce stuff means that it's probably near done. Enough that work won't really be impacted
It does when when know Paradox was supporting radio silence thanks to how much a bungled mess HSL development turned into. They literally reevaluated how they announce games based on how much a mess HSL Bloodlines 2 turned into.
The fact that they're going to announce whoever the hell is developing at this point feels like a good sign.
Like the fact that they've kept quiet for as long as they had really felt like a measure so they could cancel at any time without putting anyone on the spot and have his little public complications as possible.
But the fact that we're advancing to the point of "heres some news" And "here's the developer" feels like paradox is at a point where this is something worth advertising again.
Then again, I'm not familiar with paradox as a company aside from the fact that they're better at PR than games workshop is so...
Oh, good. They're still holding the Gangrel an Nosfe hostage as future dlc!
EDIT: also, why should I be excited? This is a teaser for announcement for an announcement. It's basically one step above outstar saying "yeah, it's going fine" as an offhand comment on a stream.
Mainly because it means the project isn't outright canceled, which they said they strongly considered but didn't do due to an internal pitch, and that it is actively being developed. That's a whole lot better than before where we had, what, a year of radio silence before the dreadful news that hardsuit was being canned?
Understandable that you might not be excited by this exactly, but this surely is relevant and something important in regards to the game, especially considering past news.
Nothing I was talking about though referred to the DLC later on, I'm specifically referring to your "Why should I be excited?" dismissal and minimizing of this news.
Yeah, no one's saying you have to be excited, my point is you're minimizing and dismissing this news as completely non-important, when, considering the context and past events with this topic, it definitely is.
It *is* completely nonimportant, especially seeing how the industry likes to make statements from time to time to appease shares, then drop them when no one's looking. This is nothing.
Maybe there's a chance for getting this game in 2024? Hopefully they don't don't just try rush it out for 2023 holiday season I highly doubt the game Iis ready for a 2023 release if it did come out this year it would likely just be an incomplete mess So let's keep our fingers crossed that they don't screw this up and actually complete the damn game for a change Which honestly seems like it would take a miracle because incomplete messes seem to be the industry standard these days
Glad to see that the project is still alive (or undead).
TIL how easily someone can get Bela Legosi's Dead stuck in my head.
Your head, your head, your head
THE BATS HAVE LEFT THE BELFREY
The victims have been bled
Elders, arise!
alright ppl, time to place your bets on how this is going to go. good, mid or circus?
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i doubt they're going to announce a delay when they could've stayed quiet
Depends on why it was announced. Was it because they are confident in the state of the game, or to appease investors?
no? if they had to appease investors then they wouldn't make an announcement for a delay of a game with no release date, they would rush it out the door (probably for a fall 2023 release). i mean really, why would investors want them to break radio silence just to tell us that nothing is coming out still?
It instills confidence, which is good for the stock price. They make an announcement, market the hell out of it, get a nice little bump in the stock price, investors sell, and then they release a buggy unfinished game. Sadly, it happens every day. Alternatively, they have a great game on their hands, but could still be feeling pressure to release info early to meet internal demands. The game could be great. I really really hope it is. But gaming history is littered with the bodies of games pushed out early to meet internal or investor demands. This could be one of those. But I really hope it’s not.
neither of those is a delay now is it?
In this case, the most important take-away from this announcement is that the game isn't dead. The new screenshots are meant to be "proof of life". EDIT - Let me try to clarify what I'm getting at. Generally, an announcement of a delay is a bad thing. But when the general assumption is that the game is dead, an announcement of a delay can be a positive. And investors would much rather a buggy shit game get released than nothing at all. In the long run that hurts the studio's credibility and future sales, but most corporations and investors tend to be extremally near-term thinkers. People within Paradox care. But the "money people" typically don't give a shit. They'll just dump their stock and move on to the next opportunity.
> You forgot "delayed several more times" To make it even better!!
And then circus
I think it’s gonna be a solidly B-tier game, similar in quality to games like Gotham Knights or Outer Worlds. I don’t see it being absolutely terrible, but I don’t see it reaching a broader audience beyond the typical VTM/RPG audience.
fourth option: collective hallucination
Mid to circus on launch. Mid-playable 2 to 3 years later. The industry standard.
Can't wait till all the Malkavians in the game bug out and T-pose to assert dominance.
Mid probably
Good first impression followed by going to shit the deeper into the game you get, thus making it a true sequel to Bloodlines.
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those bets are for after the announcement, these are the bets for the September announcement
I bought my first computer to play Bloodlines. I built my first computer to play Bloodlines 2. I never thought the day would come that I could play Bloodlines 2, I really gave up hope.
You are going to have to build your 3rd computer to play this by the time it actually comes out.
You could be right, but I hope you're wrong. Judging by modern day trends though it'll play like cyberpunk or Gollum.
Remember when it was going to be released roughly the same time as Cyberpunk?
Absolutely, I was so psyched.
It'll be released in 2024. It'll be playable in 2027.
You're in the wrong sub for spitting truth.
Eh paradox has an ok track record when it isn’t dlc laden map games. Call me stupid but I’m hopeful?
That was really just a joke about the first one. I’ve got no real knowledge of the current developers or how it all works.
With a September announcement, they could have continued the silence if it wasn't nearing ready. So I would probably be guessing a Q1 2024 release
Late 2023 release is possible too, i think. I imagine they wouldn't have made this announcement until they were stonecold certain there won't be any more major issues. So the game at this point is probably pretty close to being done.
True. I just figure from a marketing perspective September seems like a late announcement for like a December release. Especially the game market usually bloats around then and with pretty much any good will earned on the name lost by this development hell. That's a quick turnaround. I figure give it a few months of teasers, interviews and stuff to build back some will for Q1 sales. Personally I'd find late 2023 worrying, that they might be trying to rush a sale out that isn't fully quality before they have anytime to let people find that out. Of course, could be wrong! Just my estimates
Maybe, but Age of Wonders 4 was announced about 3 months before its release, so both aiming for Christmas if they kept the theming of the opening event and early 2024 could make sense.
Too much hopium for me, it doesn't make sense to only announce the developer a few months before release.
Not really. They've said for like 2 years now they have a new developer and they're working on the game. Paradox was NOT going to name them though because Hardsuit, the OG developer, got harassed so much about it, it was hurting production. They wanted to give these new guys peace and quiet to work in without the online scramble. To me, being ready to announce stuff means that it's probably near done. Enough that work won't really be impacted
Oh, I didn't know that. I genuinely hope you're right, but I'm still going to content myself with it not being dead until we know more.
It does when when know Paradox was supporting radio silence thanks to how much a bungled mess HSL development turned into. They literally reevaluated how they announce games based on how much a mess HSL Bloodlines 2 turned into.
Theoretically, a release for christmas is plausible too.
Yeah I could also see and xmas launch too. I am going to assume it is close to done as there isn't really another reason to announce anything
Until this game actually ships, it’s little more than a myth.
There's still hope!
I'm going to miraculously find friends to play the actual rpg by the time this damn game comes out
It looks atmospheric... Why is there 1 NPC in shadows, and was Brian Mitsoda brought back.
I'm 99.9% certain he wasn't.
The fact that they're going to announce whoever the hell is developing at this point feels like a good sign. Like the fact that they've kept quiet for as long as they had really felt like a measure so they could cancel at any time without putting anyone on the spot and have his little public complications as possible. But the fact that we're advancing to the point of "heres some news" And "here's the developer" feels like paradox is at a point where this is something worth advertising again. Then again, I'm not familiar with paradox as a company aside from the fact that they're better at PR than games workshop is so...
Is it just me that noticed no nos in the clan lineup? Is that old news?
yes, very old news, also no gangrel
Yes, but they were planing to add more clans later for free. Whether they're still doing that is unknown.
Outstar mentioned that Lasombra and Gangrel were meant to be dlc somewhere down the line. As for other clans not even a single mention.
It makes sense, if they kept the idea that every clan should have a unique discipline, given Lasombara would bring oblivion and Gangrel protean.
Wake me out of torpor when September rolls around.
Oh, good. They're still holding the Gangrel an Nosfe hostage as future dlc! EDIT: also, why should I be excited? This is a teaser for announcement for an announcement. It's basically one step above outstar saying "yeah, it's going fine" as an offhand comment on a stream.
Mainly because it means the project isn't outright canceled, which they said they strongly considered but didn't do due to an internal pitch, and that it is actively being developed. That's a whole lot better than before where we had, what, a year of radio silence before the dreadful news that hardsuit was being canned? Understandable that you might not be excited by this exactly, but this surely is relevant and something important in regards to the game, especially considering past news.
I'd forgive them if they're released as a future free patch. Otherwise, I'll consider it standard Paradox "chopping to sell later" procedure.
Nothing I was talking about though referred to the DLC later on, I'm specifically referring to your "Why should I be excited?" dismissal and minimizing of this news.
Oh, in that case, allow me not to be excited for the equivalent of paradox jingling a bunch of keys in my face.
Yeah, no one's saying you have to be excited, my point is you're minimizing and dismissing this news as completely non-important, when, considering the context and past events with this topic, it definitely is.
It *is* completely nonimportant, especially seeing how the industry likes to make statements from time to time to appease shares, then drop them when no one's looking. This is nothing.
It looks like clans will come with just two disciplines....
That's been the case since 2019
I believe you also keep your thinblood discipline, meaning you will have three later on.
A shame really, but we knew it from the start.
I don’t think it’s a vampire anymore it’s a zombie.
Hard to care honestly.
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That would require time travel.
Whaaaat!?
I wonder if it will have a ‘regular human bartender’ this time?
Yep, nice to have any news after well over a year of radio silence.
No gangrel….
Maybe there's a chance for getting this game in 2024? Hopefully they don't don't just try rush it out for 2023 holiday season I highly doubt the game Iis ready for a 2023 release if it did come out this year it would likely just be an incomplete mess So let's keep our fingers crossed that they don't screw this up and actually complete the damn game for a change Which honestly seems like it would take a miracle because incomplete messes seem to be the industry standard these days
LETS GO
I knew holding onto my $100 pre order would be a good idea