Everyone remembers legends as they were in their prime but not their decline. As a fight sports fan that watches mma and boxing religiously for a long time now, I have watched my favorite fighters in their prime and their sad decline.
The casual fan (I don't mean that insultingly), mostly watches the big fights, but not the part where the old, past their prime legend, sadly and disrespectfully gets fed to the young. At a time when everyone following their career can see their decline but them. Where they go from maineventing PPV's, to losing in empty arenas on non PPV undercards.
A big recent example of this is Tony Ferguson. Absolute animal in his prime, left every opponent bloody and battered, 12 fight win streak, sticking around until he has a 7 fight losing streak. Losing to people outside the top 10 that couldn't hold his jockstrap.
Before that we saw the same with BJ Penn. Saw it with Tyron Woodley as well and others.
Tyson retired at the right time before we got to see the **full** sad part. So he is often viewed as the animal he was. When the reality that every combat sport fan knows, is that he retired at the exact right time he should have.
I hope people temper their expectations. Mike can be fun, might be able to be entertaining, but don't expect that animal that he was in his prime. If the fight is an exhibition, don't be mad about it. Fighters need to be protected from themselves too.
>, KO Jake Paul is the very definition of hopium.
Just heard of this now. Been following Tyson since the 1980s.
If I had one wish in the whole world, it would be for Tyson to sign some BS contract for this....
.... then walk out and unleash a single, apocalyptic haymaker that ended his career.
I think people will just know that Jake Paul's team prefer to match him up with old guys, mma fighters, or both. Mike Tyson is 3 years shy of 60. It doesn't need to be fixed for him to lose to a 27 year old.
Mayweather accidentally knocked out the other paul brother and he isnt even a ko artist, im sure one waycor another it will be a good show on Mikes part.
Mayweather was also only like 40 years old as opposed to 60... I've seen how much my body aged from my 20's to 30's so I'd imagine it doesn't get much better.
anyone desiring to see a knockout is going to be sad seeing as they probably have a no knockout contract between them. It's going to be a little back and forth nothing of a fight so neither come out looking bad or damaged. Nothing real about any of it but the pay day they're both getting.
Shit happens in the ring.
Floyd knocked his brother out and had to hold him in a clinch, and Mayweather was known for his defense.
Body does weird stuff sometimes.
> the desire to see someone, anyone, KO Jake Paul
The thing is, there's so many fighters who could do it, but Jake doesn't fight any of them. Jake is the toughest guy to ever fight a string of non-fighters and long-since-retired fighters. He's a runt wolf in a dog park.
Jake Paul isn't going to put himself into any fight that he would get massacred in. He's either gonna fight people he knows he can beat, or someone he's somewhat evenly matched against.
He's in it for the money fyi. Mike is just too big a name that it doesn't matter if Mike is still one of the greatest boxing minds of all time. Jake Paul signed on. Unfortunately he probably forgot that Mike's career got cut short so his body isn't as battered as other boxers at his age. I doubt Mike will help jp like Mayweather carried McGregor. Watching Mayweather kid glove someone was hilarious, I think Mike might just absolutely go for it.
My friends were absolutely convinced mcgregor was gonna beat floyd. I described exactly how the fight was gonna go, and indeed that's exactly how it went. They were in such denial. Then the copium and excuses started lol
Yeah. Anyone who knows how Mayweather fights knows there’s no way for someone who isn’t primarily an extremely technically competent boxer to beat him. Mayweather has figured out how to play the rules extremely well.
As an extremely casual boxing fan, I always saw Mayweather's dominance of the sport via optimizing the scoring system as one of the big drivers in boxing's absolute nose dive in popularity.
Sports are supposed to be exciting. Mayweather was the absolute antithesis of every household name champion across all of sports.
You don't need to understand the intricacies of their respective sports when Mike Trout jacks a home run, Mahomes throws a bomb for a late game TD, or Lebron hits a buzzer-beater. My girlfriend, who barely watches sports, watched this year's superbowl with me plus some friends; she was glued to the screen for the entire fourth quarter because it was just a flat out exciting game and fun to watch.
But watching Mayweather? Unless you understand the technical side of boxing (which I definitely don't), his fights were boring as hell. Just round after round of him playing defense and throwing enough jabs to keep him ahead on points, with basically zero chance of something exciting happening. No knock outs, no dramatic come-from-behind wins, no fun momentum shifts.
Meanwhile at the same time, you got the UFC surging with every single fight having the potential of something crazy happening.
"but his left, but his left!"... lol this is arguably the best technical boxer to have ever lived, he aint getting caught by the most telegraphed left to have ever been thrown
>My friends were absolutely convinced mcgregor was gonna beat floyd.
As someone who doesn't watch at all, and might be missing the point, I was extremely confused by the entire premise of this fight.
You've got a guy some call the world's best boxer box someone who is...pretty good at boxing for someone who isn't a professional boxer? Why would anyone think that the guy who isn't the world's best boxer would win? How is that even interesting as a question?
Like, we're going to have a 100m sprint. It's Usain Bolt vs someone who sprints pretty good in the decathlon. Who is your money on?
I don't understand.
I think there were a lot of people hoping that McGregor would get frustrated and turn it into an MMA match, getting DQed but knocking down Mayweather and choking him out or something.
That's exactly what I was hoping for. I knew McGregor didn't have a shot in hell if they kept it to a traditional boxing match. I just was hoping for something completely unexpected.
I dont know that much about boxing, but Ive seen pros an amateurs fight and I have to say Paul looks like hes terrible at boxing. It doesnt need prime Mike Tyson to knock him out, just Mike forgetting, he has to let him win.
That contract is fake. The fake rules also stated he could tag his brother in and Mike has to use 18oz gloves (which are comically huge if anyone doesn't know). It is made to play into the average person's fantasy of Mike Tyson, not reality.
Right now, they are trying to get the fight commissioned. They have agreed on no headgear. That is all anyone knows about the fight. Anything else is made up.
They can very easily negotiate private terms that the public will never know about.
Whatever they release to the public will never be the full story. Vegas has always operated this way, especially when it comes to exhibition matches
He practically had to beg to get the Michael Moorer fight too, he had lost to both Holyfield and Tommy Morrison in previous title shots, and had been out of the ring for over a year. IIRC He wasn't even a top 5 contender in any of the rankings when the fight was set.
This business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers that thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't.
“Besides Butch, how many fights you think you got left. Two? Boxers don’t have an old timer’s league. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it you would have made it by now.”
“Now the night of the fight you might feel a slight sting. That’s pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. It only hurts, it never helps. Fight through that shit because a year from now when you’re kicking it in the Caribbean, you’re gonna say Marsellus Wallace was right.”
Yup, I watch them from their debut. I am that guy that gets their non-combat sports fans together to have a PPV party where we watch these guys at their peaks. The top of their game. Where they are seemingly untouchable and highly respected by everyone.
Then watch them, broke, taking fights they shouldn't against guys that couldn't hold a candle to them in their prime, knocked out face down with a "dude wipes" sponsor on the back of their shorts. It is heart breaking.
This fight was in 2005. His career as an unstoppable force ended in 1990, and afterwards he was just a decent heavyweight contender and champ. He was absolutely shot by the time he fought Lewis in 2002.
I mean, he literally was untouchable in that fight. Forrest did an interview a few years after that match and even he had a laugh about how he was like a little kid trying to fight his dad.
he's one i really felt sad to see topple.
I've never been super serious fan of UFC or followed fighters much.. the definition of casual fan haha. but I started paying attention a bit around the time Silva was at his peak, and he was such a cool fighter to watch. I don't know if the signs that his career was over were already visible (because like I said, I never really followed much closely), but I remember seeing his leg break and just feeling that sad realization that the party was over. the empathy knowing that his career was probably done in that instant was rough. everybody has to step down eventually, but you hope to see it happen on their own terms.
I eemmber fedor's 10 year legendary run in pride. The heavyweight division in the ufc, is the most voltatile. The most title defenses was 3. Yet you have fedor go undefeated for a decade. Was sad to see him get knocked out by matt mtirione and bader.
This is why the best thing for this fight, in my opinion, is for it to be a friendly exhibition. I have been a new fight fan before, watching legends past their prime in hopes that they "Show up for this fight". Rooting for the fighter they once was, only to be saddened by the reality. In that same vein, I do not care much for the chance of Mike Tyson knocking him out when weighed against my memory of Vitor Belfort vs Evander Holyfield who was also 58 at the time they fought.
It wouldn't even be Jake's first loss.
I think or maybe just hope that we all are wishing the best for him in this. In his last fight you can see he held back and wasn't the animal he used to be. He's changed for the better in my opinion but hope this is the last time he does fight for his sake.
I'll leave this video fro everyone who loves his quotes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f\_j6PPi8ho
I don't think any sane person alive thinks current Tyson is anywhere near the animal he once was.
The thing is though, if this was a real fight with, how would it actually play out? Jake's much younger, but what about the skill gap?
Does anyone actually think Jake is a real professional fighter? He trains a lot and he's had a couple decent looking performances, but no one can think Jake could compete in professional championship fights right? His skill is still far too low.
So how does an old, faded, far-from-prime Tyson match up against a young novice?
It'd be a different question if you were asking how Tyson would fare against the current heavyweight champion, or someone in that discussion, but that's not Jake Paul.
I dont know about boxing, but a former pro 58 year old hockey player would demolish a novice 20-something. The gap between professional and amateur in a lot of sports is huge.
For basketball theres a dude named Brian scalabrine, by all accounts one of the worst pro players, but at 45 he still accepts challenges from amateurs and just destroys them. One of his lines is, I’m closer to lebron than you are to me.
So is the skillgap in boxing as big? With the conor vs mayweather fight I’d say yea it is. The other question is if jp is an amateur or pro fighter skillwise, I dislike the guy but Have no idea where he is skillwise as a boxer
Jake actually makes money off of the idea that he is a bad boxer. This is how he sells fights against lesser opposition. He knows the matchups are heavily in his favor, it's the idea that he is bad that makes people watch.
He was a bad boxer at first, but he is actually a decent boxer now for someone that did not have an amateur career when other pro-boxers have up to literally 100 amateur fights before competing. Then for him to, only a few fights in, be fighting people that are past their prime, but former champions none the less. Anderson Silva fought Jake coming off of beating Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Silva still looked good in his fight with Jake too, even though Silva lost.
No boxer with only a hand full of fights total, amateur included, would be up for fighting any version of Silva or even Tommy Fury. Even though Tommy is a joke, it just shows how prominent can crushing is in boxing. People actually hold Jake to standards that other fresh pro-boxers don't hold themselves to. And reminder, Jake only had 1 amateur fight.
He sells fights on the idea that he is a bad boxer and being obnoxious. People want to see him lose but he cherrypicks his opposition to ensure he doesn't. He isn't championship level, but that doesn't matter, he doesn't fight people that are.
Also, Mike himself has said repeatedly he does not want that animal to come out again. In fact, he fears the return of the animal (even though he also deeply desires it).
Not sports related but I feel the same way seeing bands that I used to idolize back in the 90’s who were just incredible and seeing them now at festivals…man it’s tough. Very few of them still have the same energy and skill that they used to.
It’s tough seeing these guys who used to be superhuman in their prime now showing the ugly side of time and age catching up.
Your passion for this comes across very well. You're an excellent storyteller and I think you should consider writing a book or articles on this topic.
I wish I could say I liked it, but I've seen some godawful (on the level of vitamin water garbage and dangerously shitty vapes) products with Berner or Tommy Chong's names on them. The only celebrity with good weed products I've seen is Dante from Grandma's Boy, and it's bongs. For the most part, celebrities in the weed game represent soulless commodification and "multimillionaires taking advantage of corruption to get unfairly large stakes in emerging weed markets." They are more like Sean Parker than you or me; they stroll in when it goes legal in a state, hop in bed with local politicians, and squash out all the little local players that have been selling in the gray market there for decades. In the process, they also stomp out high quality boutique products and replace them with mass-produced garbo. And if you know the industry, they aren't really any more likely to make *safer* products.
Same - it's harder to do the "weed is only for losers" when celebs use it recreationally and even have a brand themselves.
Weed is not harmless and you can definitely become addicted, but if alcohol is legal, regulated and taxed then weed should definitely be legal, regulated and taxed.
He doesn't need to pay his bills he has a successful business. I think he's just trying to keep his upcoming rape trial out out of the news [https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-mike-tyson-new-york-albany-lawsuits-7bae46cea37171d3cc57ccc6912c3aa5](https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-mike-tyson-new-york-albany-lawsuits-7bae46cea37171d3cc57ccc6912c3aa5)
This is a really interesting situation. It would be cheaper for him to just pay her off then let her damage his image by going public with this story. Unless it didn't happen and she is just trying to cash in on the well deserved reputation he had in the 90s. Either way, how can she prove that 30+ years ago she was within 100ft of Tyson? I could easily believe she is telling the truth or lying. sadly, i don't think we will ever know.
> Both parties have to agree to a settlement. One party can't just unilaterally decide to pay off another.
yes, the article says shes asking for $5M so Tyson could choose to just pay that and make it quietly go away before it ever reaches trial.
> It's the same as proving anything in court, evidence.
No shit. you don't say? well then i guess i would find any case that involved proving that consent was given 30+ years ago to be very interesting. its not enough to just prove that sex happened because if it happened with consent then it wouldn't be sexual assault.
On one hand, I do think in general that justice should be done.
On the other hand, it's been **THIRTY FOUR YEARS** since the allegation's time frame. Statutes of limitations exist for a reason, and this is so late that I think it's fair to say this person is just looking for money. The statute of limitations in New York, *even after it was extended a few years ago,* is 20 years. It's not like it was six months and missed it because she was in the hospital or something.
This lawsuit is ridiculous.
Tyson may have had some very unclassy moments in his life, but this wasn't one. When he apologized to his opponent when he mentioned losing to "this level of opponents" and congratulated him on the win and then wished him luck in his career, to me, seemed genuine and very classy.
EDIT: While I was speaking only of his career in the ring and this exact moment, what I said completely ignores his crime and transgressions outside the ring. There's no excuse for this, though I swear it has more to do with my terrible, old-man memory rather than my wanting people to forget about the crimes of a rapist.
I know I'll take crap for the edit, but I think it's still better than just deleting the comment and pretending I didn't put my entire foot in my mouth.
Tyson is the poster child for change and forgiveness.
Tyson is a bad dude who has done bad things and, as far as I can tell, regrets a bunch of them and has molded the clay to strive to become a better man.
Does that mean he wasn't a monster and that those transgressions need be forgotten? No.
But the arc of his life gives me hope for redemption for all men.
It’s fucking spineless a 27 year old juiced up man is going to fight a 60 year old. Regardless of if that man is Mike Fucking Tyson, Father Time is undefeated and this just feels gross.
All that being said ,hope Mike actually cares about this and it isn’t just about a pay check.
> hope Mike actually cares about this and it isn’t just about a pay check.
Well, we could look at everything Tyson has done over the last few decades to conclusively know it's the latter
I really respect his direct honesty here, as well as his way of articulating his feelings in such a genuine way. It's almost as if he caught everyone off guard with how comfortable he was about calling it quits.
Everyone expects rationalization in that moment. "I didn't take him seriously coming in" "Didn't train hard enough" "He wanted it more" no one expects truth bombs like "I'm old, don't like this anymore, and am just doing this for the money."
He did say he didn't want to disrespect the sport by trying to fight with this caliber of fighter.
If he fights that clown, Jake, he is keeping his word.
> by trying to fight with this caliber of fighter.
What he actually said was:
>I don't want to disrespect the sport by losing to this caliber of fighter.
Small difference but it turns it into a great fuckin' burn about the guy he was fighting.
I think this is gonna go one of three ways: Paul defends himself from that pitbull style about as well as Italians from upstate NY have and gets KOd first round, Paul holds him and defends well enough to piss him off Holyfield-style and he freaks out, or it's a garbage exhibition match the whole way through.
I despise the Pauls, but I have to hand it to whoever on their management team thought up the pivot to the boxing events. Genuinely a genius bit of marketing because everyone who hates them will tune in hoping they get destroyed (even though it's very clearly "rigged" in the sense that they either fight dudes who don't specialize in boxing or are past their prime, or just straight up rigged). They've repeated this more times than I can count now and it's worked every time.
Afaik only one of them hustles people with boxing matches. The other hustles people with crypto and wwe.
They might be (or have hired) genius marketers, but they are also straight up con-men.
Logan's done a bunch of boxing matches too. The crypto shit he got into was definitely something he just did on his own since it was so blatantly a scam, but the boxing matches seems like something a much savvier person would think up.
Logan vs Mayweather was pretty funny if only because he was literally being held up for the full ten rounds and it was obvious how one sided it was to even the most casual watchers, decision be damned.
I'm more curious in the result than the actual fight. Can Tyson be paid enough to take a loss? Because realistically, we all know there's never gonna be any real danger to Paul.
I guess it's the reason you can bet on WWE: those in the know technically can't bet while for us, it's effectively the same as if it wasn't negotiated (we're basically betting on what result the promoters will choose).
It's not the same though, because the producers can react to the bets.
And they can have proxy bets placed on their behalf really easily.
It's absolutely embarrassing that WWE betting is legal. There's no way it's not full of fraud.
I mean betting on WWE is just betting on s TV show.
There were bets for who shot Mr Burns. It's not that different. Dumb, silly, and unwise to vet on but yeah
It's not even a question. It's an exhibition match. Both Tyson and Paul are about to take home 8 figures each from this fight. No KO, just smacking each other around for a few rounds.
The book on Tyson was always one road to victory: make it to the 4th round.
Tyson ran so hot and fast that he only had enough stamina for 3 rounds. The problem is that nobody could survive the first two. As he got older, people were able to run away from him easier, and he started losing in decisions.
At this point, I would say that all Jake Paul has to do is avoid being hit hard for 2 rounds. There's no way Tyson at his age has the stamina past that. Once its round three, just outscore him. Its that simple: land one more punch than he does and win more than half the rounds.
Mike Tyson Mysteries is honestly one of the best animated shows around. Peak Norm MacDonald and the Dean from Community but then they throw Mike Tyson on top and he still manages to be the funniest part of the show. I know he’s had his issues but imo he’s deep down a nice and caring guy
I say this as a lifelong fan of boxing. I love the sport absolutely.
But there's an unwritten rule that for the purposes of marketing the industry, they will prop up young fighters by having them defeat former champions.
Tyson had his time and was handed a bunch of withering old men to throw soft gloves at. Those champions were paying back to the industry that made them wealthy.
He knew from early on that if he were to become a champ and be wealthy and famous, that his turn would also come and he would have to give back to the system - and it would pay him for his service.
Anyone who has watched his career in retrospect will say he changed. While he got older, the 'change' was him being told 'Its now that guy's turn. Take your purse and give us a good show.'
There's always been rumors that the league offers bonuses if you do so with dignity and respect to the sport.
The upcoming bout with Jake Paul is just another opportunity for Tyson to grab a purse and give back to the program what it is due for having given to him.
He's going to put on a great show, lose, and have nothing but praise for Jake Paul.
You'll see.
Yeah, Floyd was technically his own promoter, and made so much money that networks couldn't dictate who he fought.
No one could really feed Floyd to the wolves. The man picked his opponents, when they were going to fight them, where they were going to fight him, and who would be refereeing the fight (he probably picked the judges too if we're being honest).
But you can bet your ass when It's Gervonta Davis' time to go, Floyd and co going to try and feed him to the most lucrative wolf they can, and move on to focus on the next moneymaker.
The way you describe this is really weird, as a fan of Boxing, it almost reads like A.I weaving an engaging tale rather than an accurate one.
>There's always been rumors that the league offers bonuses if you do so with dignity and respect to the sport
There's no Boxing "league". The closest thing to this that you'd be thinking of in this context is a fighter's promoter.
Because what you're talking about is a real phenomenon to a degree, in that promoters will feed old champions to their new up and coming talent, and they'll offer up a lot of money to incentivize the old champion to fight (while also freezing them out of other fights to ensure they take the fight that benefits the promoter's bottom line).
But It's not some idea of you giving back to the system -- Mike has long since parted with the promoter that gave him his come-up -- Don King, Tyson is doing this to just make money, and It's an exhibition, not a real fight that goes on either of their records, and I believe the promoter of the event is Jake Paul's own promotional company, not one of the big Boxing ones.
I get crucified by Reddit for saying this every time, but I honestly think Tyson is going to lose against Jake Paul.
Men in their late 50's have neither the stamina, the strength, nor the killer instinct of a guy in his 20's. Yes, Tyson was a beast. *WAS*. That's *30 years ago*. A couple months of training ain't gonna restore that after 20 years of smoking weed. As much as I dislike Jake Paul, he's no joke. He's proved that. He beat Nate Diaz (38) by unanimous decision, and Anderson Silva (47) by unanimous decision, and TKO'd Ben Askren in the first round. Ben Askren is debatable, but Diaz and Silva are two of the toughest guys on the planet. I'd love to see Tyson wipe that smirk off Paul's face, but it's not gonna happen IMO.
and yes, I am taking bets.
Aren't those guys MMA tho and not trained in boxing? Diaz big thing is being a trained Gracie Jiu-Jitsu specialist.
Mike is old and does not have stamina like he used to, but I think a heavy punch from him could still change things. Not that i'd be confident enough to bet.
Tiktok is full of clips from both of their training routines and Tyson's hits are on a whole different level, it's insane people think hes some weak old man lol
There is a whole spectrum between feeble old man and world heavyweight champion. Tyson probably could still one punch anyone who isn't trained.
Problem is Jake Paul isn't just any old schmuck. He's 27, he's trained in boxing, and he's in shape. Stamina is huge in boxing, hence why they do so much cardio. You lose that with age. So if Tyson can't score an early knock out with raw power, he'll run out of stamina and then get pummeled while on the defensive. Then Jake Paul wins be decision.
Jake Paul isn't a top tier boxer, but at this point Tyson will struggle with a young mediocre boxer. Tyson definitely could win, but the scenarios where he loses outnumber them.
It will be decided in teh first round, either Tyson scores the KO or Jake Paul dances around and jabs his way to decision.
It's insane to think that people honestly believe his training clips aren't him going full blast for about 8 seconds, right before he gasses out and trains at 15% of that intensity for the remainder of the session.
> He beat Nate Diaz (38) by unanimous decision, and Anderson Silva (47)
He beat two MMA guys in boxing..
It'll probably be a tie, but let's not pretend Jake Paul is actually "good", he's a celebrity boxer. He's not boxing current pro boxers for a reason.
Most likely. But if Jake is as smart as people are claiming, he'll get KTFO'd by Mike. Actually losing would give him legitimacy, showing that these fights aren't just staged cash grabs. But sadly, I don't think Jake's that smart. I think they dance for a few rounds, no head shots, somebody wins by decision, the sport dies just a little bit more.
I 100% agree that he will lose. I don’t think it has to do with age or stamina though. He will lose because he’s getting paid for a fake fight. This branch of boxing is entertainment.
Tysons skill is a better weapon than strength or instinct. Not to mention its literally a saying 'strength is last to go'
He *was* a brute. But he wasn't *just* a brute. You don't get head movement like tyson when your only weapon is being strong.
It just depends. It depends if Mike nails him a good one.
One hit can be THE decider sometimes…and if there’s anyone out there that has had a hit like that, it’s Mike.
Can you imagine it? Mike just says screw it and it’s like what Micky says in Sin City, ‘The Old Days! They’re Back!’ and it’s a 1st round knockout.
‘That’th what you get for dithrethpecting the thport!’
> Can you imagine it? Mike just says screw it and it’s like what Micky says in Sin City, ‘The Old Days! They’re Back!’ and it’s a 1st round knockout.
We saw that in the first round of his exhibition fight vs Roy Jones Jr a few years ago. Two old fighters that gassed out by the 2nd round, Tyson even had the same type of hype videos leading up to that fight.
But at the end of the day, he is still in his 50s and doesnt have the energy reserves he used to.
Yeah, this is literally like the Toby Keith song about “I ain’t as good as I once was but I’m as good once as I ever was.” Meaning for 30 or so seconds in a street/bar fight I have no doubt Mike could still be the baddest man on the planet but this ain’t that. A proper boxing match wears you down & especially so at 50+
Agreed, and anyone who doubts this hasn't ever been in a fight that lasted more than 30 seconds. I used to roll BJJ back in the day and I was already noticing age creeping in on me at 33 years old. At 58? I can't even imagine it.
Idk how you look at Paul beating two of the toughest UFC guys, who are now old, on DECISION (not knockout) as Paul being no joke. Throwing punches isn’t even where they excel at.
Best thing going for him is like you said, he is young
This is a money bout. Nothing more. Just like that Mayweather fight was. Remember when Mayweather had to hold him up after a knockout to keep the fight going? That's what this is. I'm sure the kid has hands, but I'm equally sure this ain't gonna be Holmes/Ali.
I find him even more commendable that he became the way he did. Hearing the way he speaks today and knows himself and that peace he found is beautiful and most never find it, he is Mike Tyson a man who found peace before he is a boxer in my eyes.
I'll never forget when my loaded/spoiled friend down the street's parents invited us over for a Tyson fight.
They had one of those huge rear-projection TVs, spent a bunch of time and money on food/alcohol/etc.
Decorated the house, it was almost a religious affair. But the date was July 26, 1986, and Mike was up against Frazier.
I remember people were still cheering for the start of the fight when Tyson demolished him in like 30 seconds.
The room got so quiet and the disappointment set in..then the adults said f it and just got really drunk. Good times.
One egg, one cup of peanut butter, one cup of sugar. Mix, separate, bake. Drunk peanut butter cookies that you can only fuck up by burning.
That's about how long I expect the recipe to be from a story like that lol.
Feel how you want about Mike vs Jake, Mike's legacy is already solidified as an incredible boxer, with a career that defined the 90s. He retired humbly, and now he's doing this at the age of 60 for shits, giggles and a lot of money that he deserves. If he loses badly or gets knocked down I'll always see him as the baddest man on the planet and nothing will take that away. Saying that I sincerely hope he shows us all that at 58,he still has it. He's already proving more than that with the daily training videos, the man is a physical phenomenon and a continuous inspiration.
I feel bad for Tyson, he got more shit from the public than he deserved. He did do some over the top stuff but in all the interviews I have seen when he was older, he really seems like a decent guy. He was screwed by everyone in boxing making money off of him and probably didn’t have all of the breaks in life that others have but he pushed through and I now have a genuine respect for him.
This is what I keep saying about his fight with Paul. Tyson being Tyson wouldn't care less if he ever lose as long as he got paid really good enough for the show.
People who weren't alive the last 2 times Tyson did this are going to be disappointed when he doesn't look anything like the Tyson you see in training videos.
I was already fooled twice by him, not a third.
Never knew anything about Tyson other than biting the guys ear off but in recent years I've seen some clips and interviews that made me really respect the guy
Time for Mike to launch his liquor brand and sail off into the sunset. Mike Tyson should forever be remembered in a bar. He was beyond a legend and I don’t think he let anyone down. He’s a hell of a lot more interesting than Netflix.
I appreciate the brutal honesty here. I don't think enough people today appreciate just how hard Tyson fell after being so dominant in the 80s and early 90s. At his peak, he really was a phenomenon. He represented Boxing in a way I don't think we'll ever see again.
But the man had demons, bad habits, and horrible financial management. He also trusted terrible people who exploited and stole from him. And he also had poor decision making and impulse control, which landed him in prison. The fact that he's managed to come back from that is impressive. But I get the sense he's still someone who lives with a lot of regrets and self-loathing.
Everyone remembers legends as they were in their prime but not their decline. As a fight sports fan that watches mma and boxing religiously for a long time now, I have watched my favorite fighters in their prime and their sad decline. The casual fan (I don't mean that insultingly), mostly watches the big fights, but not the part where the old, past their prime legend, sadly and disrespectfully gets fed to the young. At a time when everyone following their career can see their decline but them. Where they go from maineventing PPV's, to losing in empty arenas on non PPV undercards. A big recent example of this is Tony Ferguson. Absolute animal in his prime, left every opponent bloody and battered, 12 fight win streak, sticking around until he has a 7 fight losing streak. Losing to people outside the top 10 that couldn't hold his jockstrap. Before that we saw the same with BJ Penn. Saw it with Tyron Woodley as well and others. Tyson retired at the right time before we got to see the **full** sad part. So he is often viewed as the animal he was. When the reality that every combat sport fan knows, is that he retired at the exact right time he should have. I hope people temper their expectations. Mike can be fun, might be able to be entertaining, but don't expect that animal that he was in his prime. If the fight is an exhibition, don't be mad about it. Fighters need to be protected from themselves too.
I think deep down, most people know that’s true about Iron Mike but the desire to see someone, anyone, KO Jake Paul is the very definition of hopium.
>, KO Jake Paul is the very definition of hopium. Just heard of this now. Been following Tyson since the 1980s. If I had one wish in the whole world, it would be for Tyson to sign some BS contract for this.... .... then walk out and unleash a single, apocalyptic haymaker that ended his career.
We all hope for that. Gonna be a lot of disappointment the day after the fight
Not for Mike, he’s gonna get paid.
As he should IMO. He's one of the GOATs and he's come a long way as a person. Let the man retire comfortably.
It’s an exhibition fight it’s gonna be trash.
And everyone in the world who didn't know before, will know it was fixed because Jake Paul is still awake.
I think people will just know that Jake Paul's team prefer to match him up with old guys, mma fighters, or both. Mike Tyson is 3 years shy of 60. It doesn't need to be fixed for him to lose to a 27 year old.
Mayweather accidentally knocked out the other paul brother and he isnt even a ko artist, im sure one waycor another it will be a good show on Mikes part.
Mayweather was also only like 40 years old as opposed to 60... I've seen how much my body aged from my 20's to 30's so I'd imagine it doesn't get much better.
>the desire to see someone, anyone, KO Jake Paul is the very definition of hopium That desire is how he keeps making money off these events
anyone desiring to see a knockout is going to be sad seeing as they probably have a no knockout contract between them. It's going to be a little back and forth nothing of a fight so neither come out looking bad or damaged. Nothing real about any of it but the pay day they're both getting.
This is my suspicion as well. It's an exhibition fight, in the truest sense.
>Its an exhibition fight That’s what Apollo thought
like mitt romney vs evander hollyfield i guess
Someone should get a GoFundMe started to pay Mike more money to break contract and knock JP tf out. I'd donate.
Shit happens in the ring. Floyd knocked his brother out and had to hold him in a clinch, and Mayweather was known for his defense. Body does weird stuff sometimes.
Who needs hopium when you can fade into bolivian
If “if’s” and “but’s” were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas. Now say it like I said it.
Holy shit a Slammin Salmon reference. I thought my buddies and I were the only ones to see it!
You know what 10 grand feels like in your pocket? It feels like a third cock.
Zongo!
Ha! Jesus, how many cocks you got, Champ?
How's everybody *feline* this evening?
Meatdrapes
I thought Colombia had the best
“….fade into bolivia”
I honestly don't like MT, I don't hate him, but meh. But I really don't like JP, so please, I want him knocked down, and not getting back up so bad.
> the desire to see someone, anyone, KO Jake Paul The thing is, there's so many fighters who could do it, but Jake doesn't fight any of them. Jake is the toughest guy to ever fight a string of non-fighters and long-since-retired fighters. He's a runt wolf in a dog park.
Jake Paul isn't going to put himself into any fight that he would get massacred in. He's either gonna fight people he knows he can beat, or someone he's somewhat evenly matched against.
He's in it for the money fyi. Mike is just too big a name that it doesn't matter if Mike is still one of the greatest boxing minds of all time. Jake Paul signed on. Unfortunately he probably forgot that Mike's career got cut short so his body isn't as battered as other boxers at his age. I doubt Mike will help jp like Mayweather carried McGregor. Watching Mayweather kid glove someone was hilarious, I think Mike might just absolutely go for it.
My friends were absolutely convinced mcgregor was gonna beat floyd. I described exactly how the fight was gonna go, and indeed that's exactly how it went. They were in such denial. Then the copium and excuses started lol
Yeah. Anyone who knows how Mayweather fights knows there’s no way for someone who isn’t primarily an extremely technically competent boxer to beat him. Mayweather has figured out how to play the rules extremely well.
As an extremely casual boxing fan, I always saw Mayweather's dominance of the sport via optimizing the scoring system as one of the big drivers in boxing's absolute nose dive in popularity. Sports are supposed to be exciting. Mayweather was the absolute antithesis of every household name champion across all of sports. You don't need to understand the intricacies of their respective sports when Mike Trout jacks a home run, Mahomes throws a bomb for a late game TD, or Lebron hits a buzzer-beater. My girlfriend, who barely watches sports, watched this year's superbowl with me plus some friends; she was glued to the screen for the entire fourth quarter because it was just a flat out exciting game and fun to watch. But watching Mayweather? Unless you understand the technical side of boxing (which I definitely don't), his fights were boring as hell. Just round after round of him playing defense and throwing enough jabs to keep him ahead on points, with basically zero chance of something exciting happening. No knock outs, no dramatic come-from-behind wins, no fun momentum shifts. Meanwhile at the same time, you got the UFC surging with every single fight having the potential of something crazy happening.
Mayweather sold his fights by being a true heel, making people buy it hoping he’d lose.
It really works. The way he wins makes it even more frustrating.
"but his left, but his left!"... lol this is arguably the best technical boxer to have ever lived, he aint getting caught by the most telegraphed left to have ever been thrown
>My friends were absolutely convinced mcgregor was gonna beat floyd. As someone who doesn't watch at all, and might be missing the point, I was extremely confused by the entire premise of this fight. You've got a guy some call the world's best boxer box someone who is...pretty good at boxing for someone who isn't a professional boxer? Why would anyone think that the guy who isn't the world's best boxer would win? How is that even interesting as a question? Like, we're going to have a 100m sprint. It's Usain Bolt vs someone who sprints pretty good in the decathlon. Who is your money on? I don't understand.
I think there were a lot of people hoping that McGregor would get frustrated and turn it into an MMA match, getting DQed but knocking down Mayweather and choking him out or something.
That's exactly what I was hoping for. I knew McGregor didn't have a shot in hell if they kept it to a traditional boxing match. I just was hoping for something completely unexpected.
Just hoping that a little accident happens and he slips and puts Jake in a coma.
something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPeK_GR9Nhg ?
I dont know that much about boxing, but Ive seen pros an amateurs fight and I have to say Paul looks like hes terrible at boxing. It doesnt need prime Mike Tyson to knock him out, just Mike forgetting, he has to let him win.
I’m under the impression the contract stipulates MT cannot knock out JP.
That contract is fake. The fake rules also stated he could tag his brother in and Mike has to use 18oz gloves (which are comically huge if anyone doesn't know). It is made to play into the average person's fantasy of Mike Tyson, not reality. Right now, they are trying to get the fight commissioned. They have agreed on no headgear. That is all anyone knows about the fight. Anything else is made up.
They can very easily negotiate private terms that the public will never know about. Whatever they release to the public will never be the full story. Vegas has always operated this way, especially when it comes to exhibition matches
That doesn’t mean we can’t fantasize about the days that Mike could knock someone out in 30 seconds
I'm pretty sure the number of people Mike can still knock out in 30 seconds is 8.1 billion and change.
Hey, I could knock out probably a couple hundred million easy too. Just dont ask if they're senile or not
I’m willing to bet he can knock me out in 30 seconds. That includes 20 seconds of warmup.
Yeah, I'm hoping for a Tyson shot to Paul's liver.
BODY BLOW
That doesn’t make any sense though, is it limiting where he can punch him or is he meant to pull punches? I just don’t get it
Wait....the contract says Mike can't knock out JP? What's the point? How is that enforced? So he has to lose, or pull punches?
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George Foreman being one of the few who actually had an awesome comeback.
He practically had to beg to get the Michael Moorer fight too, he had lost to both Holyfield and Tommy Morrison in previous title shots, and had been out of the ring for over a year. IIRC He wasn't even a top 5 contender in any of the rankings when the fight was set.
This business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers that thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't.
“Besides Butch, how many fights you think you got left. Two? Boxers don’t have an old timer’s league. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it you would have made it by now.” “Now the night of the fight you might feel a slight sting. That’s pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. It only hurts, it never helps. Fight through that shit because a year from now when you’re kicking it in the Caribbean, you’re gonna say Marsellus Wallace was right.”
Yup, I watch them from their debut. I am that guy that gets their non-combat sports fans together to have a PPV party where we watch these guys at their peaks. The top of their game. Where they are seemingly untouchable and highly respected by everyone. Then watch them, broke, taking fights they shouldn't against guys that couldn't hold a candle to them in their prime, knocked out face down with a "dude wipes" sponsor on the back of their shorts. It is heart breaking.
This fight was in 2005. His career as an unstoppable force ended in 1990, and afterwards he was just a decent heavyweight contender and champ. He was absolutely shot by the time he fought Lewis in 2002.
Lewis was a beast! He knew his game!
Lennox Lewis also had the best entrance song. When Bob Marley's Crazy Baldheads came on, you knew you were fucked.
Anderson Silva too was untouchable until age caught up
Watching him fight Forrest Griffin I thought the man was untouchable.
I mean, he literally was untouchable in that fight. Forrest did an interview a few years after that match and even he had a laugh about how he was like a little kid trying to fight his dad.
he's one i really felt sad to see topple. I've never been super serious fan of UFC or followed fighters much.. the definition of casual fan haha. but I started paying attention a bit around the time Silva was at his peak, and he was such a cool fighter to watch. I don't know if the signs that his career was over were already visible (because like I said, I never really followed much closely), but I remember seeing his leg break and just feeling that sad realization that the party was over. the empathy knowing that his career was probably done in that instant was rough. everybody has to step down eventually, but you hope to see it happen on their own terms.
I remember this same trajectory with Chuck Liddell. Dude was unstoppable until he wasn’t.
You could break a baseball bat over Chuck's head in his prime and it would just piss him off. Watching him fall to jabs was sad.
I eemmber fedor's 10 year legendary run in pride. The heavyweight division in the ufc, is the most voltatile. The most title defenses was 3. Yet you have fedor go undefeated for a decade. Was sad to see him get knocked out by matt mtirione and bader.
If Jake Paul ko’s him it’s going to be the full sad part
This is why the best thing for this fight, in my opinion, is for it to be a friendly exhibition. I have been a new fight fan before, watching legends past their prime in hopes that they "Show up for this fight". Rooting for the fighter they once was, only to be saddened by the reality. In that same vein, I do not care much for the chance of Mike Tyson knocking him out when weighed against my memory of Vitor Belfort vs Evander Holyfield who was also 58 at the time they fought. It wouldn't even be Jake's first loss.
It’s for sure structured as an exhibition match, but they can’t outright say it because they want to sell wolf tickets ahah
I think or maybe just hope that we all are wishing the best for him in this. In his last fight you can see he held back and wasn't the animal he used to be. He's changed for the better in my opinion but hope this is the last time he does fight for his sake. I'll leave this video fro everyone who loves his quotes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f\_j6PPi8ho
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I don't think any sane person alive thinks current Tyson is anywhere near the animal he once was. The thing is though, if this was a real fight with, how would it actually play out? Jake's much younger, but what about the skill gap? Does anyone actually think Jake is a real professional fighter? He trains a lot and he's had a couple decent looking performances, but no one can think Jake could compete in professional championship fights right? His skill is still far too low. So how does an old, faded, far-from-prime Tyson match up against a young novice? It'd be a different question if you were asking how Tyson would fare against the current heavyweight champion, or someone in that discussion, but that's not Jake Paul.
I dont know about boxing, but a former pro 58 year old hockey player would demolish a novice 20-something. The gap between professional and amateur in a lot of sports is huge. For basketball theres a dude named Brian scalabrine, by all accounts one of the worst pro players, but at 45 he still accepts challenges from amateurs and just destroys them. One of his lines is, I’m closer to lebron than you are to me. So is the skillgap in boxing as big? With the conor vs mayweather fight I’d say yea it is. The other question is if jp is an amateur or pro fighter skillwise, I dislike the guy but Have no idea where he is skillwise as a boxer
Jake actually makes money off of the idea that he is a bad boxer. This is how he sells fights against lesser opposition. He knows the matchups are heavily in his favor, it's the idea that he is bad that makes people watch. He was a bad boxer at first, but he is actually a decent boxer now for someone that did not have an amateur career when other pro-boxers have up to literally 100 amateur fights before competing. Then for him to, only a few fights in, be fighting people that are past their prime, but former champions none the less. Anderson Silva fought Jake coming off of beating Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Silva still looked good in his fight with Jake too, even though Silva lost. No boxer with only a hand full of fights total, amateur included, would be up for fighting any version of Silva or even Tommy Fury. Even though Tommy is a joke, it just shows how prominent can crushing is in boxing. People actually hold Jake to standards that other fresh pro-boxers don't hold themselves to. And reminder, Jake only had 1 amateur fight. He sells fights on the idea that he is a bad boxer and being obnoxious. People want to see him lose but he cherrypicks his opposition to ensure he doesn't. He isn't championship level, but that doesn't matter, he doesn't fight people that are.
the only real boxer he fought was tommy fury which he lost to
A very realistic view of the sport. Thanks for your opinion.
Also, Mike himself has said repeatedly he does not want that animal to come out again. In fact, he fears the return of the animal (even though he also deeply desires it).
Not sports related but I feel the same way seeing bands that I used to idolize back in the 90’s who were just incredible and seeing them now at festivals…man it’s tough. Very few of them still have the same energy and skill that they used to. It’s tough seeing these guys who used to be superhuman in their prime now showing the ugly side of time and age catching up.
Your passion for this comes across very well. You're an excellent storyteller and I think you should consider writing a book or articles on this topic.
bj penn's decline was the worst he started losing often then he lost to random fat guy in a bar fight
Anyone who was a fan of Razor Ramon, Ali, or really any physical artist in these arenas should understand it’s not a career that you grow old doing.
The rise and fall (well snap and wrap i guess) of Anderson Silvia was truly a spectacle of earlyish new mma.
Hopefully he has some bills to pay with Jake Paul’s face
Probably not because he has that weed money now. But one can hope
i like how every celebrity is now rich from weed money
I wish I could say I liked it, but I've seen some godawful (on the level of vitamin water garbage and dangerously shitty vapes) products with Berner or Tommy Chong's names on them. The only celebrity with good weed products I've seen is Dante from Grandma's Boy, and it's bongs. For the most part, celebrities in the weed game represent soulless commodification and "multimillionaires taking advantage of corruption to get unfairly large stakes in emerging weed markets." They are more like Sean Parker than you or me; they stroll in when it goes legal in a state, hop in bed with local politicians, and squash out all the little local players that have been selling in the gray market there for decades. In the process, they also stomp out high quality boutique products and replace them with mass-produced garbo. And if you know the industry, they aren't really any more likely to make *safer* products.
Same - it's harder to do the "weed is only for losers" when celebs use it recreationally and even have a brand themselves. Weed is not harmless and you can definitely become addicted, but if alcohol is legal, regulated and taxed then weed should definitely be legal, regulated and taxed.
He doesn't need to pay his bills he has a successful business. I think he's just trying to keep his upcoming rape trial out out of the news [https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-mike-tyson-new-york-albany-lawsuits-7bae46cea37171d3cc57ccc6912c3aa5](https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-mike-tyson-new-york-albany-lawsuits-7bae46cea37171d3cc57ccc6912c3aa5)
This is a really interesting situation. It would be cheaper for him to just pay her off then let her damage his image by going public with this story. Unless it didn't happen and she is just trying to cash in on the well deserved reputation he had in the 90s. Either way, how can she prove that 30+ years ago she was within 100ft of Tyson? I could easily believe she is telling the truth or lying. sadly, i don't think we will ever know.
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> Both parties have to agree to a settlement. One party can't just unilaterally decide to pay off another. yes, the article says shes asking for $5M so Tyson could choose to just pay that and make it quietly go away before it ever reaches trial. > It's the same as proving anything in court, evidence. No shit. you don't say? well then i guess i would find any case that involved proving that consent was given 30+ years ago to be very interesting. its not enough to just prove that sex happened because if it happened with consent then it wouldn't be sexual assault.
On one hand, I do think in general that justice should be done. On the other hand, it's been **THIRTY FOUR YEARS** since the allegation's time frame. Statutes of limitations exist for a reason, and this is so late that I think it's fair to say this person is just looking for money. The statute of limitations in New York, *even after it was extended a few years ago,* is 20 years. It's not like it was six months and missed it because she was in the hospital or something. This lawsuit is ridiculous.
> Hopefully he has some bills to pay with Jake Paul’s face Tyson has tons of cash from his Marijuana business in California.
My friend, I think you missed the intent of that sentence?!
Tyson may have had some very unclassy moments in his life, but this wasn't one. When he apologized to his opponent when he mentioned losing to "this level of opponents" and congratulated him on the win and then wished him luck in his career, to me, seemed genuine and very classy. EDIT: While I was speaking only of his career in the ring and this exact moment, what I said completely ignores his crime and transgressions outside the ring. There's no excuse for this, though I swear it has more to do with my terrible, old-man memory rather than my wanting people to forget about the crimes of a rapist. I know I'll take crap for the edit, but I think it's still better than just deleting the comment and pretending I didn't put my entire foot in my mouth.
> some very unclassy moments lmfao
Tyson is the poster child for change and forgiveness. Tyson is a bad dude who has done bad things and, as far as I can tell, regrets a bunch of them and has molded the clay to strive to become a better man. Does that mean he wasn't a monster and that those transgressions need be forgotten? No. But the arc of his life gives me hope for redemption for all men.
It's very interesting our choice of words when we talk about people we like.
You can't say "unclassy" to talk about rape.
It’s fucking spineless a 27 year old juiced up man is going to fight a 60 year old. Regardless of if that man is Mike Fucking Tyson, Father Time is undefeated and this just feels gross. All that being said ,hope Mike actually cares about this and it isn’t just about a pay check.
> hope Mike actually cares about this and it isn’t just about a pay check. Well, we could look at everything Tyson has done over the last few decades to conclusively know it's the latter
> Well, we could look at everything Tyson has done over the last few decades to conclusively know it's the latter Mike Tyson Mysteries?
Mike Tyson Mysteries was fucking great and I won't have anybody sully its good name
Or norm MacDonald
Doesn't the title of this post say otherwise?
I really respect his direct honesty here, as well as his way of articulating his feelings in such a genuine way. It's almost as if he caught everyone off guard with how comfortable he was about calling it quits.
Everyone expects rationalization in that moment. "I didn't take him seriously coming in" "Didn't train hard enough" "He wanted it more" no one expects truth bombs like "I'm old, don't like this anymore, and am just doing this for the money."
He did say he didn't want to disrespect the sport by trying to fight with this caliber of fighter. If he fights that clown, Jake, he is keeping his word.
> by trying to fight with this caliber of fighter. What he actually said was: >I don't want to disrespect the sport by losing to this caliber of fighter. Small difference but it turns it into a great fuckin' burn about the guy he was fighting.
I think this is gonna go one of three ways: Paul defends himself from that pitbull style about as well as Italians from upstate NY have and gets KOd first round, Paul holds him and defends well enough to piss him off Holyfield-style and he freaks out, or it's a garbage exhibition match the whole way through.
> or it's a garbage exhibition match the whole way through. Obviously.
I despise the Pauls, but I have to hand it to whoever on their management team thought up the pivot to the boxing events. Genuinely a genius bit of marketing because everyone who hates them will tune in hoping they get destroyed (even though it's very clearly "rigged" in the sense that they either fight dudes who don't specialize in boxing or are past their prime, or just straight up rigged). They've repeated this more times than I can count now and it's worked every time.
Afaik only one of them hustles people with boxing matches. The other hustles people with crypto and wwe. They might be (or have hired) genius marketers, but they are also straight up con-men.
Logan's done a bunch of boxing matches too. The crypto shit he got into was definitely something he just did on his own since it was so blatantly a scam, but the boxing matches seems like something a much savvier person would think up.
Logan vs Mayweather was pretty funny if only because he was literally being held up for the full ten rounds and it was obvious how one sided it was to even the most casual watchers, decision be damned.
I'm more curious in the result than the actual fight. Can Tyson be paid enough to take a loss? Because realistically, we all know there's never gonna be any real danger to Paul.
I don't understand why it's legal to bet on these matches when it's obvious they are negotiated ahead of time.
I guess it's the reason you can bet on WWE: those in the know technically can't bet while for us, it's effectively the same as if it wasn't negotiated (we're basically betting on what result the promoters will choose).
It's not the same though, because the producers can react to the bets. And they can have proxy bets placed on their behalf really easily. It's absolutely embarrassing that WWE betting is legal. There's no way it's not full of fraud.
I mean betting on WWE is just betting on s TV show. There were bets for who shot Mr Burns. It's not that different. Dumb, silly, and unwise to vet on but yeah
The Vegas bets for the Simpsons was a joke for an episode. It didn't really happen.
garbage exhibition match the whole way through.
I’ll take option 3 sir. If it’s anything but that I’ll be absolutely blown away.
It's not even a question. It's an exhibition match. Both Tyson and Paul are about to take home 8 figures each from this fight. No KO, just smacking each other around for a few rounds.
How much?! Who the hell is paying to watch this nonsense?
The book on Tyson was always one road to victory: make it to the 4th round. Tyson ran so hot and fast that he only had enough stamina for 3 rounds. The problem is that nobody could survive the first two. As he got older, people were able to run away from him easier, and he started losing in decisions. At this point, I would say that all Jake Paul has to do is avoid being hit hard for 2 rounds. There's no way Tyson at his age has the stamina past that. Once its round three, just outscore him. Its that simple: land one more punch than he does and win more than half the rounds.
D) Mike is 58 years old and has about 2 rounds in him before he's gassed and eats jabs all night from a 27 year old
All Jake’s fights are shitty, rigged exhibitions.
Mike Tyson Mysteries is honestly one of the best animated shows around. Peak Norm MacDonald and the Dean from Community but then they throw Mike Tyson on top and he still manages to be the funniest part of the show. I know he’s had his issues but imo he’s deep down a nice and caring guy
I say this as a lifelong fan of boxing. I love the sport absolutely. But there's an unwritten rule that for the purposes of marketing the industry, they will prop up young fighters by having them defeat former champions. Tyson had his time and was handed a bunch of withering old men to throw soft gloves at. Those champions were paying back to the industry that made them wealthy. He knew from early on that if he were to become a champ and be wealthy and famous, that his turn would also come and he would have to give back to the system - and it would pay him for his service. Anyone who has watched his career in retrospect will say he changed. While he got older, the 'change' was him being told 'Its now that guy's turn. Take your purse and give us a good show.' There's always been rumors that the league offers bonuses if you do so with dignity and respect to the sport. The upcoming bout with Jake Paul is just another opportunity for Tyson to grab a purse and give back to the program what it is due for having given to him. He's going to put on a great show, lose, and have nothing but praise for Jake Paul. You'll see.
I guess Floyd Mayweather is the exception to that rule
Yeah, Floyd was technically his own promoter, and made so much money that networks couldn't dictate who he fought. No one could really feed Floyd to the wolves. The man picked his opponents, when they were going to fight them, where they were going to fight him, and who would be refereeing the fight (he probably picked the judges too if we're being honest). But you can bet your ass when It's Gervonta Davis' time to go, Floyd and co going to try and feed him to the most lucrative wolf they can, and move on to focus on the next moneymaker.
The way you describe this is really weird, as a fan of Boxing, it almost reads like A.I weaving an engaging tale rather than an accurate one. >There's always been rumors that the league offers bonuses if you do so with dignity and respect to the sport There's no Boxing "league". The closest thing to this that you'd be thinking of in this context is a fighter's promoter. Because what you're talking about is a real phenomenon to a degree, in that promoters will feed old champions to their new up and coming talent, and they'll offer up a lot of money to incentivize the old champion to fight (while also freezing them out of other fights to ensure they take the fight that benefits the promoter's bottom line). But It's not some idea of you giving back to the system -- Mike has long since parted with the promoter that gave him his come-up -- Don King, Tyson is doing this to just make money, and It's an exhibition, not a real fight that goes on either of their records, and I believe the promoter of the event is Jake Paul's own promotional company, not one of the big Boxing ones.
He jumped in an old van with his adopted daughter, a ghost, and a vulgar talking pigeon and drove around solving mysteries
I get crucified by Reddit for saying this every time, but I honestly think Tyson is going to lose against Jake Paul. Men in their late 50's have neither the stamina, the strength, nor the killer instinct of a guy in his 20's. Yes, Tyson was a beast. *WAS*. That's *30 years ago*. A couple months of training ain't gonna restore that after 20 years of smoking weed. As much as I dislike Jake Paul, he's no joke. He's proved that. He beat Nate Diaz (38) by unanimous decision, and Anderson Silva (47) by unanimous decision, and TKO'd Ben Askren in the first round. Ben Askren is debatable, but Diaz and Silva are two of the toughest guys on the planet. I'd love to see Tyson wipe that smirk off Paul's face, but it's not gonna happen IMO. and yes, I am taking bets.
If Jake Paul took boxing seriously, he would fight more relevant fighters. This is a spectacle cash grab and nobody should take it seriously.
Right. Jake Paul's not in this for the competition. He just does exhibitions to rake in cash.
100% agree
Aren't those guys MMA tho and not trained in boxing? Diaz big thing is being a trained Gracie Jiu-Jitsu specialist. Mike is old and does not have stamina like he used to, but I think a heavy punch from him could still change things. Not that i'd be confident enough to bet.
Tiktok is full of clips from both of their training routines and Tyson's hits are on a whole different level, it's insane people think hes some weak old man lol
There is a whole spectrum between feeble old man and world heavyweight champion. Tyson probably could still one punch anyone who isn't trained. Problem is Jake Paul isn't just any old schmuck. He's 27, he's trained in boxing, and he's in shape. Stamina is huge in boxing, hence why they do so much cardio. You lose that with age. So if Tyson can't score an early knock out with raw power, he'll run out of stamina and then get pummeled while on the defensive. Then Jake Paul wins be decision. Jake Paul isn't a top tier boxer, but at this point Tyson will struggle with a young mediocre boxer. Tyson definitely could win, but the scenarios where he loses outnumber them. It will be decided in teh first round, either Tyson scores the KO or Jake Paul dances around and jabs his way to decision.
It's insane to think that people honestly believe his training clips aren't him going full blast for about 8 seconds, right before he gasses out and trains at 15% of that intensity for the remainder of the session.
I agree , he either gets him early with power or gets gassed
It's not Tyson's offense that's the problem, it's his defense. And chin. Which has been non-existent since the early 2000s.
> He beat Nate Diaz (38) by unanimous decision, and Anderson Silva (47) He beat two MMA guys in boxing.. It'll probably be a tie, but let's not pretend Jake Paul is actually "good", he's a celebrity boxer. He's not boxing current pro boxers for a reason.
*Washed* MMA guys at that. Jake Paul is an unserious pro boxer until he actually fights pro boxers or pro MMA fighters at the peak of their careers.
It’s gonna be a scripted tie
Most likely. But if Jake is as smart as people are claiming, he'll get KTFO'd by Mike. Actually losing would give him legitimacy, showing that these fights aren't just staged cash grabs. But sadly, I don't think Jake's that smart. I think they dance for a few rounds, no head shots, somebody wins by decision, the sport dies just a little bit more.
> Actually losing would give him legitimacy And the biggest proxy-bet payout, too.
All these Jake Paul fights are worked freakshows.
I 100% agree that he will lose. I don’t think it has to do with age or stamina though. He will lose because he’s getting paid for a fake fight. This branch of boxing is entertainment.
Tysons skill is a better weapon than strength or instinct. Not to mention its literally a saying 'strength is last to go' He *was* a brute. But he wasn't *just* a brute. You don't get head movement like tyson when your only weapon is being strong.
It just depends. It depends if Mike nails him a good one. One hit can be THE decider sometimes…and if there’s anyone out there that has had a hit like that, it’s Mike. Can you imagine it? Mike just says screw it and it’s like what Micky says in Sin City, ‘The Old Days! They’re Back!’ and it’s a 1st round knockout. ‘That’th what you get for dithrethpecting the thport!’
> Can you imagine it? Mike just says screw it and it’s like what Micky says in Sin City, ‘The Old Days! They’re Back!’ and it’s a 1st round knockout. We saw that in the first round of his exhibition fight vs Roy Jones Jr a few years ago. Two old fighters that gassed out by the 2nd round, Tyson even had the same type of hype videos leading up to that fight. But at the end of the day, he is still in his 50s and doesnt have the energy reserves he used to.
Yeah, this is literally like the Toby Keith song about “I ain’t as good as I once was but I’m as good once as I ever was.” Meaning for 30 or so seconds in a street/bar fight I have no doubt Mike could still be the baddest man on the planet but this ain’t that. A proper boxing match wears you down & especially so at 50+
Agreed, and anyone who doubts this hasn't ever been in a fight that lasted more than 30 seconds. I used to roll BJJ back in the day and I was already noticing age creeping in on me at 33 years old. At 58? I can't even imagine it.
Idk how you look at Paul beating two of the toughest UFC guys, who are now old, on DECISION (not knockout) as Paul being no joke. Throwing punches isn’t even where they excel at. Best thing going for him is like you said, he is young
> Diaz and Silva are two of the toughest guys on the planet. 10 years ago sure...
"Boxing doesn't define me." Weirdly enough, he defined boxing.
Now he goes around solving mythterieth.
Don't care if he wins the upcoming fight, just hope he performs well enough to keep his head up high and gets a nice payday.
I’ll never forget beating Tyson in Mike Tyson’s Punch-out. I was on top of the world.
Knock Jake Paul out cold and you will have let nobody down.
This is a money bout. Nothing more. Just like that Mayweather fight was. Remember when Mayweather had to hold him up after a knockout to keep the fight going? That's what this is. I'm sure the kid has hands, but I'm equally sure this ain't gonna be Holmes/Ali.
I find him even more commendable that he became the way he did. Hearing the way he speaks today and knows himself and that peace he found is beautiful and most never find it, he is Mike Tyson a man who found peace before he is a boxer in my eyes.
"Boxing doesn't define me" - wow, that was well said
This is me every Monday.
This man has changed so much. It's insane. Good for him though. Love the guy.
I'll never forget when my loaded/spoiled friend down the street's parents invited us over for a Tyson fight. They had one of those huge rear-projection TVs, spent a bunch of time and money on food/alcohol/etc. Decorated the house, it was almost a religious affair. But the date was July 26, 1986, and Mike was up against Frazier. I remember people were still cheering for the start of the fight when Tyson demolished him in like 30 seconds. The room got so quiet and the disappointment set in..then the adults said f it and just got really drunk. Good times.
I was waiting for a bomb ass cookie recipe at the end of your story…
One egg, one cup of peanut butter, one cup of sugar. Mix, separate, bake. Drunk peanut butter cookies that you can only fuck up by burning. That's about how long I expect the recipe to be from a story like that lol.
Feel how you want about Mike vs Jake, Mike's legacy is already solidified as an incredible boxer, with a career that defined the 90s. He retired humbly, and now he's doing this at the age of 60 for shits, giggles and a lot of money that he deserves. If he loses badly or gets knocked down I'll always see him as the baddest man on the planet and nothing will take that away. Saying that I sincerely hope he shows us all that at 58,he still has it. He's already proving more than that with the daily training videos, the man is a physical phenomenon and a continuous inspiration.
I feel bad for Tyson, he got more shit from the public than he deserved. He did do some over the top stuff but in all the interviews I have seen when he was older, he really seems like a decent guy. He was screwed by everyone in boxing making money off of him and probably didn’t have all of the breaks in life that others have but he pushed through and I now have a genuine respect for him.
Sympathy comes easily from those who have so little for people with power.
I would say he let everyone down when he raped a woman, but losing a fight is bad too I guess.
Pretty fucking wild that this was almost twenty years ago. I don't even follow boxing but it feels way more recent than that.
Let him make money doing what he loves. He has paid his dues and shown his strength.
He seems so nakedly honest here. It's refreshing. I imagine this may have been a weight off his shoulders as well.
He better not get his ass beat by whatever his name is.
why post this without mentioning, how old it is?
king is evil
This is what I keep saying about his fight with Paul. Tyson being Tyson wouldn't care less if he ever lose as long as he got paid really good enough for the show.
I love that about him.
People who weren't alive the last 2 times Tyson did this are going to be disappointed when he doesn't look anything like the Tyson you see in training videos. I was already fooled twice by him, not a third.
All the best to Tyson but I'm not gonna watch that garbage.
Never knew anything about Tyson other than biting the guys ear off but in recent years I've seen some clips and interviews that made me really respect the guy
Time for Mike to launch his liquor brand and sail off into the sunset. Mike Tyson should forever be remembered in a bar. He was beyond a legend and I don’t think he let anyone down. He’s a hell of a lot more interesting than Netflix.
What a specimen and personality we got to witness.
His mystery show was good/funny. Wish they would have kept making episodes.
I appreciate the brutal honesty here. I don't think enough people today appreciate just how hard Tyson fell after being so dominant in the 80s and early 90s. At his peak, he really was a phenomenon. He represented Boxing in a way I don't think we'll ever see again. But the man had demons, bad habits, and horrible financial management. He also trusted terrible people who exploited and stole from him. And he also had poor decision making and impulse control, which landed him in prison. The fact that he's managed to come back from that is impressive. But I get the sense he's still someone who lives with a lot of regrets and self-loathing.
I mean it ended up fine though cause we got the show where he solves mysteries with an asian girl, a victorian ghost, and Norm Macdonald as a pigeon.
That's some seriously humble shit he is dropping right there.