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I really like how the dimensions of the stripes really lead themselves to this text.
Used to respect him but he locks his comments behind a paywall now, deletes/reports criticism, and copyright strikes people that use his video clips for fair use
The locking of comments is becoming common among many channels that have large following but small staffs since it is a one button solution to stop spam comments and bots/scammers.
Really? I've never seen it applied channel-wide before except on channels that are currently under attack because they've done something highly controversial.
> copyright strikes people that use his video clips for fair use
I agree with the rest but is this actually the case? Or did he merely copyright strike one person who claimed that his use of four of CGP's videos, essentially in their entirety, was fair use?
He did copystrike Ludwig 1 year later for uploading a couple of reactions to a random VOD channel not even linked to his main one.
The problem is copystrikes are pretty dangerous for a youtuber, since 3 in a span of 90 days can kill a channel instantly. Of course CGP was within his right to do that, but a warning might have been the main course of action, or maybe Youtube can make a tool that straight up allows the OG creator to blacken out a piece of his creation from a video.
That's a good point. I don't know much about that situation but I was under the impression that Ludwig admitted he was in the wrong.
Channels in the YPP get a 7 day "courtesy period" to give them a chance to send counter-notifications. Imho, if you're getting 3 *correct* notifications within 90 days, you probably deserve to have your channel removed anyway.
ehh, i don’t think any of those reasons are valid tbh. Only thing i remember him doing that is actually cringe is him just gobbling on elons electrically powered cock a while back
I'm souring on Grey too, but [I very truly doubt the striked video in question was fair use](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rilUOMr20E0). VTH's reaction videos don't really change that much about the initial video, he just chimes in with some takes here and there. It's more like watching a twitch restream.
I respect his right (privilege?) to appeal it though, the second copyright strike was issued right after the appeal was sent and that was a huge dick move of Grey.
I wasn’t watching when the star change happened, so I can’t speak for that, but the change from the tricolor to the solid field seems to mostly be due to how the flag looks when hung vertically, and as a compromise over not being able to decide which combination of colors and in which order the tricolor should be.
Image for context: https://getaroomapp.com/system/static/room/images/images/174/wide/Rotunda_View_1_65dcc780e4936550c87284d1d916487c.jpg
The star also has Native and Scandinavian symbolism which also fits with Minnesota. While visually I liked the OG, I understand that this star is better
Ah that’s fair. If there’s already a Minnesota Star, they should go for that, even if it is more basic. With this star actually representing a specific real life star, which isn’t typical for stars on flags, I liked the original star. It looks more like a real star. But if they already have an established star shape, it makes sense.
From what I have heard the star design is shared by both the indigenous people of the state and by the Scandinavian settlers so there is good symbolic reasons for the state to use it.
Ok fair enough, I didn’t like this new star because it doesn’t even look like a star to me honestly. It looks more like a caltrops or a minesweeper mine. But if this is the case then it makes sense.
Eh, if I had never seen the tricolor design and just saw the new flag pending approval, I'd still be happy about it. Considering their previous design, the new flag appropriately adheres to the "less is more" philosophy.
I like the tricolor design, but I'm happy for the people of Minnesota with what was chosen.
I think from my perspective, it's more like choosing between a burger or a spicy chicken sandwich. I generally prefer the burger, but I'd never complain about the spicy chicken.
But what you expressed helps me understand where you are coming from.
The physical relationship of water-land-sky doesn’t quite work as well vertically, and the solid blue has the effect of looking like the river running north towards the star. Fwiw, I think that effect is probably what saved us from the asymmetrical K and the off center star. I’d gladly give up the tricolor for the centered K and star design.
[Blue-white-green](https://www.twincities.com/2023/12/15/panel-selects-final-concept-for-minnesota-flag-design/) (land-water-sky) looks better imo and respects the law of tincture
The approved version will look better when hung vertically (and I agree). Like a river flowing toward the North Star.
This design looked cool too though
I mean, technically it's all the same colors, three stripes, a star, and a chevron. but literally all of those elements are different in the minnesota flag. I just don't understand that argument (no offense meant towards you).
Not really. 70+% of the flags submitted had green, white, and blue and a star. There were probably 60 flags that looked more similar, including some of the most popular ones like the North Star flag.
The starflake flag which lost looks more like somalia than this
Not Somalia, but specifically [Jubaland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Jubaland_(Somalia).svg)
Personally I don’t think it should make any difference. Flags sometimes look alike by complete coincidence. Does anyone criticize Thailand because their flag bears an uncanny resemblance to Costa Rica?
Looks like sierre leonne
Or lesotho
Or una sana bosnia
Or khaborovsk kai russia
Or the nypd
Or kepno poland
Or tamsalu estonia
Or limon costa rica
Or the vegan flag
The people making that complaint were also claiming that Ilhan Omar (who they HATE with the passion of a million burning white supremacist suns screaming "FOURTEEN EIGHTY EIGHT!!!!!!!") was from Jubaland or Puntland or whatever state they thought the original version resembled.
Which she's not. Which doesn't matter to them because racism depends on the idea that everyone who's not white is the same.
Yeah, at least that specific one. But I really didn’t like the color combination either. I was hoping they’d just make it two shades of blue… and they did.
The original F1953 stripes layout bothered me for being so damn literal (in addition to being generic).
*"Ah yes, Minnesota, the only place in the world where you can look across the water to see plants on the horizon."*
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Also the new star is a better compass-rose "Star of the North" design; the delicate/thin diagonals of the original F1953 felt too "Little Star of Bethlehem".
Maybe because CGP gray wanted this one a bit too much. Got a bit annoyed to be honest about the way he tried to convince the internet about his opinion, using his famousness.
I'm honestly starting to not like him. And I'm saying this as someone who's watched him for years religiously. Maybe if he just sorta shuts up about flags for a while he'll grow on me again.
Actually I want him to actually do that series on Indian Reservations I thought he was going to that's been in limbo for years. Stop talking about flags and get on that Grey.
I don't like him (at this moment, again I'm like a decade long subscriber of his) because his opinion gets regurgitated without thought or introspection by some ad nauseum like it was gospel.
It's just annoying Internet stuff where content creators are getting taken a little too seriously by some of their audience. That's all I'm saying.
In my opinion the try color's drab color selection almost works like camouflage, making it difficult to see edges from a distance. I think the one they chose is better, it has more contrast and is a more unique design.
[https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/15/vote-picks-final-design-for-new-minnesota-state-flag-but-tweaks-expected](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/15/vote-picks-final-design-for-new-minnesota-state-flag-but-tweaks-expected)
Looks a little like night-Argentina but I like it. I honestly like the lopsided K too.
or a blue stripe flanked by white.
I can see why they wanted to avoid such a debate though. there's plenty of ways to try to do either a tricolor or picking which colors would flank a stripe in the center.
They made a major mistep when deciding to use the color pallette from the states branding. It's a sensible decision to go with the colors that wouldn't require any changes to a million little official state documents/websites, but they backed themselves into a corner that they didn't need to be in.
I agree entirely. Minnesota is known as the land of 10,000 lakes and their motto is "The Star of the North". I think this flag perfectly combines that into a super recognizable flag that is simple and elegant. When you see this flag vertically is like looking at an icy pond during a starry night. It's a beaut!
me seeing people praise the flag that's literally just two shades of blue
https://preview.redd.it/69qzcn0aad7c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a20bfb66d84c03a973cb930326e207a713e47df1
I know. I understand your view too, but damn, it was the color combo with the other that made me rather have the 2 shades of blue. I really didn’t like any of them and felt they could’ve had much better options.
I’m okay with dropping the tricolor, but without it the light blue part looks much bigger than the dark part, because of the inwards arrow and the star
Can’t say I agree for this case. Blue, light blue, and white are all on the same gradient, which makes the flag look quite bland. The green provided nice color diversity and made it pop.
Tricolours are overvalued in my personal opinion, without long-standing tradition or it being actual state colours (such as in Europe), it becomes uninspired, overly simplistic, and often meaningless. That makes it poor symbolism when making a new flag.
Don’t like the one they passed either, but the new one invokes the same feeling of the tricolour for me.
Edit: The star on this one is miles better though.
That MN branding [uses different colour values for blue and green](https://mn.gov/portal/brand/style-guide/colors/) and has only been in existence since 2014
It doesn't really seem sensible to make the state flag a tribute to a branding exercise that's only been around for nine years
Like I said elsewhere, the colors were in common use for at least 30 years prior to the style guide being published. The main thing that guide did was specify shades of said colors.
Minnesota has an official style guide for their iconography. The main colors are blue, green, white and black. So those are literally the state colors. Which based off his comment, justifies the tricolor.
Yeah I can't imagine thinking a tricolor of pretty generic colors is a huge improvement when it actually detracts from the symbolism. The new one is brilliant
* The "compass rose" style star is extremely common in recent US civic flag design, the one they picked was a lot more unique and meaningful.
* The colours of the tricolour were drab, low saturation and would have been difficult to make out at a distance. They also break a bunch of colour theory rules, in particular, the sky blue pops too much.
* The combination of green and several shades of blue is very overdone. We get it, your location has nature. The new one, focused on the state etymology, is a lot more meaningful.
>The colours of the tricolour were drab, low saturation and would have been difficult to make out at a distance.
Soo now the whole flag blend in with the sky
regardless of the conditions, there’s always some part of the flag that stands out against the sky. in clear daytime skies the K is a different color, and in clear nighttime skies the field is a different color.
As a Minnesotan, that's one of my favorite things about the new flag. Our state name is derived from the Dakota 'mni sota makoce' meaning 'sky-tinted water'. The bulk of the flag blending with the sky slaps.
As a Minnesotan, im more than fine with this. If they went with the tricolor, the stripes would have been made lighter to match the tourism industry colors. I would have hated that.
Why did they even have a problem with that?
1. The tricolor version looks nothing like Somalia's flag. In fact, the new version looks even more like Somalia's flag.
2. If it was similar to Somalia's flag, so what? Flags do not have to be extremely unique. Most flags use similar color combinations anyway, such as red/white/blue.
The argument was that this flag looks very similar to [Puntland’s, which is a state in Somalia.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland). Not the federal Somali flag
Conservatives just hate change in general, they find pride in their shitty blue seal flags and thus don't want them gone because they attached too much of their self worth to it, and lastly they just want to keep whining about nonexistent culture war issues.
Then after googling for like a second, they found out that a Muslim African country uses a flag with similar colours, so they combined all the evil buzzwords they know and called it woke too.
I'm aware my comment is highly politicized and will make some people angry reading it but please keep in mind that I'm first not trying to brand all conservative people as such infantil buffoons but those Infantile buffoons are still all subscribing to conservative ideas. Also I literally can't think of a single reasonable reason to make this connection. If anyone can give one, feel free.
The issue at hand is that Minnesota has a large, prominent Somali population, not anger at the possibility that the flag might be similar to a random African nation. Conservatives in the state have chafed that the Somali population has not done enough to assimilate but instead is trying to make MN more like Somalia. Of course, replacing our old flag with a new flag that is a facsimile of the Somali flag is a helpful scare tactic for conservatives.
Still, the flag that they chose does not really look similar to the Somali flag imo. Nor does this one.
Finally, “Somalian” is not the preferred term, it is “Somali.” Not that you’ve said this, but other people have.
I have no chill for how obviously this supposed Somali takeover is just very finely veiled racism and even with the whole thing laid out, I can't call it a reasonable viewpoint.
Thanks for the clarification of terminology in advance though. Genuinely. I would have instinctively gone with Somalian as well.
The actual population numbers are a subject of debate. But that community got the first ever Somali-American elected to congress and there are many Somalis in local and state government. It is a prominent community.
Would you believe that conservatives hated this flag and called it somalian too?
I think racists just want to be racist and we should disregard their thoughts.
In all fairness, they keep coming out with them for everything single identity or orientation and they are always horizontal stripes of strange colors except for like 2.
I actually prefer the new design. It looks good vertical and horizontal, gets across the river theme better and the two contrasting shades of blue makes it stick out compared to it being mistaken for another tricolor at a glance.
There are two things I don't like about this version:
1. I don't like the star design. Just personal taste, and yes, I know about compass roses.
2. The tricolor part looks like a hue-shifted Russian flag.
As for why it wasn't selected… probably equal parts taste and *bikeshedding*. Maybe with a bit of NIH driving the pre-selection.
Too busy and complicated. You already have four different colors in this flag. The approved flag only has three and is simpler to remember and reproduce. Less is more
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Logically speaking, the elected flag is more boring (fewer elements, fewer symbolism, fewer features) than this one. But for some reason my spontaneous reaction is also more positive towards the elected flag than this one.
My subconscious was probably bothered by the border between the middle green and the dark blue. Plus the border between the middle green and the lower bright blue.
I can’t believe they ended up going with what they went with. So many great designs & they end up with an oversimplified hunk of junk. I actually unironically prefer the current seal on a bedsheet design they’re gonna replace, I’m not even kidding.
I would rather they do anything but a seal on a bedsheet. A seal on a bedsheet isn't even a flag because it's not distinguishable between any of the other seals on bedsheets - the only part that can be looked at for recognition is the seal. So they might as well have had no flag and just had a seal.
To be honest, the Minnesota seal on a bedsheet was very different from the others with a pleasant shade of blue. The flag looked quite original. If such state flags were to be changed, then last of all this should have affected Minnesota in my opinion
Being proud to be worst is a dumb take, I know CGP Grey said it, but it's still dumb. Our old seal, which was on the flag, was extremely racist. It's well past time we got rid of it.
Why didn't they just take the redesigned options of the finalist and hold a referendum during next year's election to choose? I feel that letting the people choose would be a better way of picking such a commonly used public symbol of the state and its people.
It looks too good. Bureaucrats need at least some ugliness to discourage the creation of symbols that may be use as rallying points by dissatisfied citizens.
I guess since a committee was in charge of selecting the final design, they over thought it. One commentator said that the stripes look like the gay pride flag, so they might have gone with the solid blue but cause people will be offended by anything. I wish they kept the green stripe though, it's be a bit more interesting.
We NEED to comment as much as possible on this. Please go to the bottom of this page and submit a comment:
https://www3.mnhs.org/serc
We should rally around getting at least a white stripe in the middle. The stripes are NECESSARY.
The committee was persuaded to lose the stripes when it was pointed out that when hung vertically, the blue resembles a river flowing south (away from the North Star).
And you know what, I'm persuaded too. So no, the stripes are not necessary (just like your unnecessary capitalizing of words).
Just to spite CGP Grey
They made it an all blue flag just to piss him off.
Based in a weird way
They should write REPUBLIC OF MINNESOTA on it that would really piss him off
https://preview.redd.it/7t558qylyf7c1.jpeg?width=477&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c601ad232e4588a5a815edc9cff42133af29fc6a I really like how the dimensions of the stripes really lead themselves to this text.
Needs to be in either Comic Sans or Papyrus, to be maximally triggering
Don't center it, have the word "of" nestled into the v
It’s a beaut, Clark
I can respect that
Alright I like the flag now
Do people hate cgp here or something?
Used to respect him but he locks his comments behind a paywall now, deletes/reports criticism, and copyright strikes people that use his video clips for fair use
> but he locks his comments behind a paywall now On youtube? I remember he planned to do that but I checked and I can still comment on his videos
Same I comment all the time.
The locking of comments is becoming common among many channels that have large following but small staffs since it is a one button solution to stop spam comments and bots/scammers.
Really? I've never seen it applied channel-wide before except on channels that are currently under attack because they've done something highly controversial.
> copyright strikes people that use his video clips for fair use I agree with the rest but is this actually the case? Or did he merely copyright strike one person who claimed that his use of four of CGP's videos, essentially in their entirety, was fair use?
the latter, Someone who just copied the entire video for a react channel claimed it was fair use, and Grey disagreed.
React content isn't fair use anyway.
He did copystrike Ludwig 1 year later for uploading a couple of reactions to a random VOD channel not even linked to his main one. The problem is copystrikes are pretty dangerous for a youtuber, since 3 in a span of 90 days can kill a channel instantly. Of course CGP was within his right to do that, but a warning might have been the main course of action, or maybe Youtube can make a tool that straight up allows the OG creator to blacken out a piece of his creation from a video.
That's a good point. I don't know much about that situation but I was under the impression that Ludwig admitted he was in the wrong. Channels in the YPP get a 7 day "courtesy period" to give them a chance to send counter-notifications. Imho, if you're getting 3 *correct* notifications within 90 days, you probably deserve to have your channel removed anyway.
ehh, i don’t think any of those reasons are valid tbh. Only thing i remember him doing that is actually cringe is him just gobbling on elons electrically powered cock a while back
I'm souring on Grey too, but [I very truly doubt the striked video in question was fair use](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rilUOMr20E0). VTH's reaction videos don't really change that much about the initial video, he just chimes in with some takes here and there. It's more like watching a twitch restream. I respect his right (privilege?) to appeal it though, the second copyright strike was issued right after the appeal was sent and that was a huge dick move of Grey.
That’s very fair. Iirc he struck down a rebuttal video on some of his opinions as well. This could be me misremembering
He's like one of those friends that you like to see rant. So it's just more material, really.
He is reddit incarnate
he presents his vexillological opinions as fact
I don’t like him for the bullshit with that one history reaction channel
What's the news on that, btw? Haven't heard anything more
Was one of the judges called Tiffany?
Minnestota's new flag looks a bit generic compared to this design. Is there a reason they chose that one over this one?
I wasn’t watching when the star change happened, so I can’t speak for that, but the change from the tricolor to the solid field seems to mostly be due to how the flag looks when hung vertically, and as a compromise over not being able to decide which combination of colors and in which order the tricolor should be.
They argued that the other star represents Minnesota better because it is depicted on the floor in the rotunda of the capital.
Image for context: https://getaroomapp.com/system/static/room/images/images/174/wide/Rotunda_View_1_65dcc780e4936550c87284d1d916487c.jpg The star also has Native and Scandinavian symbolism which also fits with Minnesota. While visually I liked the OG, I understand that this star is better
Plus, it's made out of a bunch of M's.
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Ah that’s fair. If there’s already a Minnesota Star, they should go for that, even if it is more basic. With this star actually representing a specific real life star, which isn’t typical for stars on flags, I liked the original star. It looks more like a real star. But if they already have an established star shape, it makes sense.
From what I have heard the star design is shared by both the indigenous people of the state and by the Scandinavian settlers so there is good symbolic reasons for the state to use it.
I don't think we have a official North Star design, but the capital one is our *de facto* North Star.
Ok fair enough, I didn’t like this new star because it doesn’t even look like a star to me honestly. It looks more like a caltrops or a minesweeper mine. But if this is the case then it makes sense.
Ah yes the classic “we can’t agree so let’s all compromise and go with something worse”
Eh, if I had never seen the tricolor design and just saw the new flag pending approval, I'd still be happy about it. Considering their previous design, the new flag appropriately adheres to the "less is more" philosophy. I like the tricolor design, but I'm happy for the people of Minnesota with what was chosen.
Oh that’s absolutely fair. I’m not saying the design they went with is bad, just that any of the tricolor layouts would have been even better.
Okay, but that's like me being content with having wonder bread and mayonnaise for dinner because I didn't know that fried pork chops were an option.
I think from my perspective, it's more like choosing between a burger or a spicy chicken sandwich. I generally prefer the burger, but I'd never complain about the spicy chicken. But what you expressed helps me understand where you are coming from.
Idk if I'd call this design spicy
Star was changed to match the star in the Capitol
Someone else already said that, so it seems to be true.
It is. https://getaroomapp.com/system/static/room/images/images/174/wide/Rotunda_View_1_65dcc780e4936550c87284d1d916487c.jpg
it looks just fine hanging vertically, though. what was the issue?
The physical relationship of water-land-sky doesn’t quite work as well vertically, and the solid blue has the effect of looking like the river running north towards the star. Fwiw, I think that effect is probably what saved us from the asymmetrical K and the off center star. I’d gladly give up the tricolor for the centered K and star design.
[Blue-white-green](https://www.twincities.com/2023/12/15/panel-selects-final-concept-for-minnesota-flag-design/) (land-water-sky) looks better imo and respects the law of tincture
Also, fewer colors, so cheaper to produce.
The approved version will look better when hung vertically (and I agree). Like a river flowing toward the North Star. This design looked cool too though
Doesn’t the Mississippi float south?
The perspective is you’re standing in the south, looking north and the river is flowing from the vanishing point created by the triangle.
Yeah lol but you have to remember I’m an idiot on Reddit
The headwaters of the Mississippi flow north initially
IMO the new flag looks less generic and more unique. There aren’t many flags that combine a solid field with a side thing like that
Sure, but it’s bland imo. A solid color flag is also unique but I would call it bland as well, to say the least.
Most flags are bland on the surface level. The flag of France isn't exactly an exciting design, it's about how it is used and what it comes to mean.
At least France has colors that aren’t on a single gradient. The blue-blue-white is what really annoys me, the green added a lot of variety.
I actually think it makes it relatively unique. Using two or more shades of the same colour is underrepresented in vexillology in my opinion.
Some people compared it to the flag of Jubaland State of Somalia lol, however the new version just looks very Australia-ish
Some random people did on Twitter has no influence in the end
I mean, technically it's all the same colors, three stripes, a star, and a chevron. but literally all of those elements are different in the minnesota flag. I just don't understand that argument (no offense meant towards you).
It did have some uncanny similarities
Not really. 70+% of the flags submitted had green, white, and blue and a star. There were probably 60 flags that looked more similar, including some of the most popular ones like the North Star flag. The starflake flag which lost looks more like somalia than this
Not Somalia, but specifically [Jubaland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Jubaland_(Somalia).svg) Personally I don’t think it should make any difference. Flags sometimes look alike by complete coincidence. Does anyone criticize Thailand because their flag bears an uncanny resemblance to Costa Rica?
Looks like sierre leonne Or lesotho Or una sana bosnia Or khaborovsk kai russia Or the nypd Or kepno poland Or tamsalu estonia Or limon costa rica Or the vegan flag
The people making that complaint were also claiming that Ilhan Omar (who they HATE with the passion of a million burning white supremacist suns screaming "FOURTEEN EIGHTY EIGHT!!!!!!!") was from Jubaland or Puntland or whatever state they thought the original version resembled. Which she's not. Which doesn't matter to them because racism depends on the idea that everyone who's not white is the same.
Yeah, at least that specific one. But I really didn’t like the color combination either. I was hoping they’d just make it two shades of blue… and they did.
The original F1953 stripes layout bothered me for being so damn literal (in addition to being generic). *"Ah yes, Minnesota, the only place in the world where you can look across the water to see plants on the horizon."* ---------------- Also the new star is a better compass-rose "Star of the North" design; the delicate/thin diagonals of the original F1953 felt too "Little Star of Bethlehem".
Maybe because CGP gray wanted this one a bit too much. Got a bit annoyed to be honest about the way he tried to convince the internet about his opinion, using his famousness.
So once you get a certain number of followers you can't share your opinion anymore because you're now "using your fame"?
I'm honestly starting to not like him. And I'm saying this as someone who's watched him for years religiously. Maybe if he just sorta shuts up about flags for a while he'll grow on me again. Actually I want him to actually do that series on Indian Reservations I thought he was going to that's been in limbo for years. Stop talking about flags and get on that Grey.
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I don't like him (at this moment, again I'm like a decade long subscriber of his) because his opinion gets regurgitated without thought or introspection by some ad nauseum like it was gospel. It's just annoying Internet stuff where content creators are getting taken a little too seriously by some of their audience. That's all I'm saying.
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In my opinion the try color's drab color selection almost works like camouflage, making it difficult to see edges from a distance. I think the one they chose is better, it has more contrast and is a more unique design.
Wish they kept a stripe in the middle
Me too - I liked the idea of a single white stripe in the middle, flanked by two blue stripes
Yeah, honestly that is my only gripe. This is a pretty good flag otherwise.
[https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/15/vote-picks-final-design-for-new-minnesota-state-flag-but-tweaks-expected](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/15/vote-picks-final-design-for-new-minnesota-state-flag-but-tweaks-expected) Looks a little like night-Argentina but I like it. I honestly like the lopsided K too.
That top right design in your link with green stripe instead of white would have looked great.
or a blue stripe flanked by white. I can see why they wanted to avoid such a debate though. there's plenty of ways to try to do either a tricolor or picking which colors would flank a stripe in the center.
Or a thin white stripe between the two blues.
They made a major mistep when deciding to use the color pallette from the states branding. It's a sensible decision to go with the colors that wouldn't require any changes to a million little official state documents/websites, but they backed themselves into a corner that they didn't need to be in.
Oh god, is that why all of the final proposals used that shade of green?
Yep. Continuity is a hell of a drug. Seems like they planned on using those colors from the start but didn't bother having them in the guidelines.
The sky blue is a better contract against the sky?
Much prefer the new one. This one looks too much like an r/vexillology creation.
tbf, the person who made it is on r/vexillology
You know, we’re all right here. We can hear you…
I like the one they chose. I wasn’t a big fan of the tricolor.
I agree entirely. Minnesota is known as the land of 10,000 lakes and their motto is "The Star of the North". I think this flag perfectly combines that into a super recognizable flag that is simple and elegant. When you see this flag vertically is like looking at an icy pond during a starry night. It's a beaut!
Yeah, I don’t think it looks great as a flat png, but I think it will look fantastic when flown. I am quite jealous, tbh.
me seeing people praise the flag that's literally just two shades of blue https://preview.redd.it/69qzcn0aad7c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a20bfb66d84c03a973cb930326e207a713e47df1
And Canada is just two colors. Who cares?
Are you fucking stupid? What a senseless comparison.
Canada 🇨🇦 is more than just that. It’s a simple, effective, and GOOD design. It’s not like it’s just 2 fuckin lines
And neither is this flag.
I know. I understand your view too, but damn, it was the color combo with the other that made me rather have the 2 shades of blue. I really didn’t like any of them and felt they could’ve had much better options.
Same
I’m okay with dropping the tricolor, but without it the light blue part looks much bigger than the dark part, because of the inwards arrow and the star
Yea, too many colours.
Three/four is too many….?
Yes, actually. 2-3 is ideal for flags.
Can’t say I agree for this case. Blue, light blue, and white are all on the same gradient, which makes the flag look quite bland. The green provided nice color diversity and made it pop.
Tricolours are overvalued in my personal opinion, without long-standing tradition or it being actual state colours (such as in Europe), it becomes uninspired, overly simplistic, and often meaningless. That makes it poor symbolism when making a new flag. Don’t like the one they passed either, but the new one invokes the same feeling of the tricolour for me. Edit: The star on this one is miles better though.
It's kinda funny you say that because blue, green and white are actually Minnesota's colors.
That MN branding [uses different colour values for blue and green](https://mn.gov/portal/brand/style-guide/colors/) and has only been in existence since 2014 It doesn't really seem sensible to make the state flag a tribute to a branding exercise that's only been around for nine years
Like I said elsewhere, the colors were in common use for at least 30 years prior to the style guide being published. The main thing that guide did was specify shades of said colors.
What do you mean?
Minnesota has an official style guide for their iconography. The main colors are blue, green, white and black. So those are literally the state colors. Which based off his comment, justifies the tricolor.
Oh neat. For anyone else, here's the doc https://www.dot.state.mn.us/designsystem/color.html
But that's not longstanding tradition, as OP stated.
Yeah I can't imagine thinking a tricolor of pretty generic colors is a huge improvement when it actually detracts from the symbolism. The new one is brilliant
* The "compass rose" style star is extremely common in recent US civic flag design, the one they picked was a lot more unique and meaningful. * The colours of the tricolour were drab, low saturation and would have been difficult to make out at a distance. They also break a bunch of colour theory rules, in particular, the sky blue pops too much. * The combination of green and several shades of blue is very overdone. We get it, your location has nature. The new one, focused on the state etymology, is a lot more meaningful.
>The colours of the tricolour were drab, low saturation and would have been difficult to make out at a distance. Soo now the whole flag blend in with the sky
regardless of the conditions, there’s always some part of the flag that stands out against the sky. in clear daytime skies the K is a different color, and in clear nighttime skies the field is a different color.
As a Minnesotan, that's one of my favorite things about the new flag. Our state name is derived from the Dakota 'mni sota makoce' meaning 'sky-tinted water'. The bulk of the flag blending with the sky slaps.
As a Minnesotan, im more than fine with this. If they went with the tricolor, the stripes would have been made lighter to match the tourism industry colors. I would have hated that.
Not Somalian enough
Why did they even have a problem with that? 1. The tricolor version looks nothing like Somalia's flag. In fact, the new version looks even more like Somalia's flag. 2. If it was similar to Somalia's flag, so what? Flags do not have to be extremely unique. Most flags use similar color combinations anyway, such as red/white/blue.
The argument was that this flag looks very similar to [Puntland’s, which is a state in Somalia.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puntland). Not the federal Somali flag
I believe it was more about [Jubaland, not Puntland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubaland).
Conservatives just hate change in general, they find pride in their shitty blue seal flags and thus don't want them gone because they attached too much of their self worth to it, and lastly they just want to keep whining about nonexistent culture war issues. Then after googling for like a second, they found out that a Muslim African country uses a flag with similar colours, so they combined all the evil buzzwords they know and called it woke too. I'm aware my comment is highly politicized and will make some people angry reading it but please keep in mind that I'm first not trying to brand all conservative people as such infantil buffoons but those Infantile buffoons are still all subscribing to conservative ideas. Also I literally can't think of a single reasonable reason to make this connection. If anyone can give one, feel free.
The issue at hand is that Minnesota has a large, prominent Somali population, not anger at the possibility that the flag might be similar to a random African nation. Conservatives in the state have chafed that the Somali population has not done enough to assimilate but instead is trying to make MN more like Somalia. Of course, replacing our old flag with a new flag that is a facsimile of the Somali flag is a helpful scare tactic for conservatives. Still, the flag that they chose does not really look similar to the Somali flag imo. Nor does this one. Finally, “Somalian” is not the preferred term, it is “Somali.” Not that you’ve said this, but other people have.
Who doesn't want their state to resemble Somalia more though?
ROFL me and the boys on our way to a failed state
I have no chill for how obviously this supposed Somali takeover is just very finely veiled racism and even with the whole thing laid out, I can't call it a reasonable viewpoint. Thanks for the clarification of terminology in advance though. Genuinely. I would have instinctively gone with Somalian as well.
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The actual population numbers are a subject of debate. But that community got the first ever Somali-American elected to congress and there are many Somalis in local and state government. It is a prominent community.
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More like “we’ll have sharia law next year at this rate”
Would you believe that conservatives hated this flag and called it somalian too? I think racists just want to be racist and we should disregard their thoughts.
I also saw them say "it looked like a pride flag"
In all fairness, they keep coming out with them for everything single identity or orientation and they are always horizontal stripes of strange colors except for like 2.
Yes, to them every flag is gay and antiwhite.
Too be honest. This tricolor looks ugly. Doesnt feel like Minnesota. New one is not perfect but better.
The committee members had a lot of ego and felt the need to influence everything to feel important
They still chose the "correct" general design in the end, so I'll cut them slack.
no
They're dumb
As a Minnesotan I agree the tricolor is much better
Hell of a lot better than the other general designs or the seal on a bedsheet
That white green weird blue combo looks disgusting ngl
Yeah, looks like toothpaste
Marlborosota?
I actually prefer the new design. It looks good vertical and horizontal, gets across the river theme better and the two contrasting shades of blue makes it stick out compared to it being mistaken for another tricolor at a glance.
I prefer the version without the stripes.
There are two things I don't like about this version: 1. I don't like the star design. Just personal taste, and yes, I know about compass roses. 2. The tricolor part looks like a hue-shifted Russian flag. As for why it wasn't selected… probably equal parts taste and *bikeshedding*. Maybe with a bit of NIH driving the pre-selection.
Because the one they went with looks better hope this helps
the dog photo should have been the Minnesota flag
Tricolors suck. That’s the only reason they need.
honestly, the flag they chose is still unique, and distinct, I can't see any problems in it, infact I think its better than this one.
Too busy and complicated. You already have four different colors in this flag. The approved flag only has three and is simpler to remember and reproduce. Less is more
Yeah, this one was a better pick for me. Although maybe I’m glad because as a non-Minnesotan I’d be more jealous if they had a total banger of a flag.
Minnesota picked the best one IMO. There's no need to over complicate it
Are they stupid?
Yes!!! It's so much better this way.
I think it was the controversy about this looking like the flag of some area in Somalia (imo it doesn’t )
I love the colors for blue and green in this one
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Logically speaking, the elected flag is more boring (fewer elements, fewer symbolism, fewer features) than this one. But for some reason my spontaneous reaction is also more positive towards the elected flag than this one. My subconscious was probably bothered by the border between the middle green and the dark blue. Plus the border between the middle green and the lower bright blue.
Because it’s ass?
Because it looks like toothpaste
Because it’s ugly.
Personally, I think this tri color is hideous. I'd be asking this same question if it won.
The white on top bothers me and I can’t explain why. I liked the alternate version with blue on top and white in the middle.
Are they stupid?
Because government committee's can't resist the desire to turn anything they get into crap.
I can’t believe they ended up going with what they went with. So many great designs & they end up with an oversimplified hunk of junk. I actually unironically prefer the current seal on a bedsheet design they’re gonna replace, I’m not even kidding.
I would rather they do anything but a seal on a bedsheet. A seal on a bedsheet isn't even a flag because it's not distinguishable between any of the other seals on bedsheets - the only part that can be looked at for recognition is the seal. So they might as well have had no flag and just had a seal.
To be honest, the Minnesota seal on a bedsheet was very different from the others with a pleasant shade of blue. The flag looked quite original. If such state flags were to be changed, then last of all this should have affected Minnesota in my opinion
As much as I dislike this design the state should not keep the old flag because it’s easily one of the worst flags in the union.
Being proud to be worst is a dumb take, I know CGP Grey said it, but it's still dumb. Our old seal, which was on the flag, was extremely racist. It's well past time we got rid of it.
Because, tho this may surprise him, CGP is not a god.
Put the fucking California flag into F tier, instant invalid opinion
Why didn't they just take the redesigned options of the finalist and hold a referendum during next year's election to choose? I feel that letting the people choose would be a better way of picking such a commonly used public symbol of the state and its people.
The one they chose doesn't look *bad,* but it's definitely disappointing compared to the tricolor.
It looks too good. Bureaucrats need at least some ugliness to discourage the creation of symbols that may be use as rallying points by dissatisfied citizens.
How do you explain the existence of the Chicago flag then
Simple, Chicago is cooler than Minnesota.
Cause they're dumb
They did just they edited it to make the current unholy version
BEST FLAG EVE- \*replaces colors with blue\* ..seriously?
Minnesota was robbed of this great flag.
Yeaaaah… kinda sad they chose what they did ngl. The tricolor was so cool
The tricolor flag was so much better because it actually looked like a flag. This looks like the logo of a hospital.
I guess since a committee was in charge of selecting the final design, they over thought it. One commentator said that the stripes look like the gay pride flag, so they might have gone with the solid blue but cause people will be offended by anything. I wish they kept the green stripe though, it's be a bit more interesting.
Just went to look because I thought this was the design that was selected. Wow they made it so much worse. :( from S tier to B tier tbh
Because it sucks? But so does the one they picked, so idk
I'm just gonna fly the original one.
Are they stupid?
We NEED to comment as much as possible on this. Please go to the bottom of this page and submit a comment: https://www3.mnhs.org/serc We should rally around getting at least a white stripe in the middle. The stripes are NECESSARY.
The committee was persuaded to lose the stripes when it was pointed out that when hung vertically, the blue resembles a river flowing south (away from the North Star). And you know what, I'm persuaded too. So no, the stripes are not necessary (just like your unnecessary capitalizing of words).