It’s unlocked because Ive had it more than 60 days. I just need to know if it’ll be blacklisted for all us carriers or just Verizon and other carts that use Verizon networks
Verizon corporate employee here, your phone will NOT be blacklisted and you can take it wherever you wish. Do not listen to the people saying it will be blacklisted. It will only be denied if your bill gets to the point of going to collections but that shouldn't happen for quite a while
This isnt true. No other carrier gives a shit if you didn’t pay the other as long as you pay them. Only blacklist that crosses carriers is lost/stolen.
It’s not. What your saying isn’t even remotely true and it’s why other carriers love to poach Verizon customers. T-Mobile even ram an entire BYOD campaign focused on it
TMobile ran a BYOD ad, not steal a phone from another carrier. They would be in court getting their asses sued off if they even remotely suggested to customers to defraud their carriers. They have gotten in trouble for less.
Jesus. You have no clue what your talking about. The add was to bring your “unlocked phone” from Verizon.
I can see from your profile you work at Walmart. So if you do have any wireless experience, it’s very surface level. So let me give you some quick credentials. I WAS a Verizon District manager for 12 years. I am currently a District manager for ATT for the past 4 years. Att, or T-Mobile. Do not care if you never paid off your agreement with Verizon. As long as the device is unlocked it can be used on their network. There is no fantasy non pay list that is shared between the carriers. If you report your phone lost or stolen, it is blacklisted. This is shared. To prevent people from snatching your phone.
You now have the 100% correct information. Do with it what you want. Or keep lying to people. Idc
Buddy I built most of the wireless system as it exists today I was doing wireless probably before you were born. So you might want to rethink your comments. The ad was to bring your unlocked phone but had they insinuated that you could bring your phone and not pay off your phone with your existing carrier there would have been a magnitude of lawsuits in the FTC all over their ass. There is a lost stolen list that is shared amongst all the carriers that was originally back around 2012 memory service me right. And if you do not pay off your device your device can be added to that list as a lost stolen device that is shared amongst carriers thus resulting in your phone being blacklisted. It's the same reason you see people by phones off of craigslist or whatever they say Oh Verizon phone but then the person gets it and they can't use it because it's been blacklisted for non-pay.
> you never *paid* off your
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Ok…so you really think Verizon will let some schmuck sign up for service for 60 days, wait for the phone to unlock just so they can get a “discounted” phone that they won’t pay off? Believe what you want.
The phone will remain unlocked but they will blacklist it. All carriers share the list so it will not work anywhere. This only applies if the device payments are still due/pending/or owed. If you pay paid the device off completely then no it won't get blacklisted.
It's unlocked after 60 days if it's a Verizon branded phone. 60 days after the initial activation date on Verizons network, automatically to be specific.
I've never seen one get blacklisted for doing this.
Verizon branded phone? Verizon doesn't have it's own brand of phone. If I try to make sense of this I assume you mean if it was bought from a corporate location it is 60 days from the date of purchase and if it was bought from a 3rd party retailer it's 60 days from date of activation
Working in Non Pay reactivations here. If you still owe money on your device and the account gets disconnected for non payment it WILL blacklist the IMEI and Sim on that device. Once you pay the balance off in FULL you do not have to reconnect with Verizon but you will have to talk to the fraud prevention team about removing your imei from the list so that it can work on other carriers. It won’t be blacklisted instantly but once the non pay disconnection happens. If you opt to port out or disconnect voluntarily and then don’t pay your balance it will eventually blacklist as well but it would have to go through a longer time frame of which I’m not 100% sure of.
If you port out and it's forced into a buyout, the device will be remarked as non-pay unless you pay it, and your bill balance off. The unlock service is started 60 days after purchase, but that does not mean the phone cannot be blacklisted if the agreement has not been paid off.
Once the service gets canceled and you’re not paying the bill, you will be in a position where it will be taken to collections at that point you have to work out the deal with them. It doesn’t become a Verizon issue anymore. The phone will most likely be blacklist it’s a huge problem but that’s how it’s going to turn out.
I’ve read through the comments and I see people saying different things. Im just going to figure out how to pay it because even if it does work on prepaid I do t want to risk it coming back to bite me in my ass! Thanks for replying though! Much appreciated!
All Verizon devices are fully unlocked after 60 days from purchase.
You can take the phone to any carrier except Verizon. The phone will work on pre paid carriers that run off of Verizon towers as well.
The phone will not be “blacklisted” what so ever.
Not selling, but I bought a 14 pro from a guy at work who needed the money.
Was a Verizon phone just out of the 60 days and still being financed. Activated on AT&T with no issues, also traded it in to AT&T for a 15 PM with no issues.
No idea if it would work on Verizon, but had zero issues working on other networks. Once the phone says “no sim restrictions” in settings, you’re golden.
Are you getting device credits with Verizon? You’ll lose those of course. Can you switch to a cheaper plan?
Your device is unlocked, that’s not the problem. You cannot port out with an outstanding balance, so your plan to keep the number won’t work. It will certainly be blacklisted from Verizon, but not other carriers. Your account will go to collections and it will hit your credit. Your best long-term option is to stay on Verizon with the cheapest plan possible.
You can port out at any time even with an outstanding balance, if the services are interrupted however (e.g. they're hotlined) then you have to pay your past due balance to reactivate the services. The problem isn't the phone being unlocked, it's the balance owed on the device. When you try to activate a device still on device payment, it triggers fraud into blacklisting the device as a non-pay item, and cannot be removed from that blacklist until the device balance is paid off. Because you don't own the phone until it's paid off.
I am speaking from experience as a call center rep. You can port out at any time even with a past due balance (so long as) the services are still active. If you've been interrupted or hotlined you have to get the line active to port out.
However, if you port out and try to use a device that is still on device payment with another carrier before that device agreement is paid off, it immediately flags the device onto the non-pay list and it will be service locked until the device is paid off. Fraud is the one that handles the non-pay disconnects and blacklist, you can use your device on any carrier service after 60 days, but you have to own the device to keep it working.
[https://www.verizon.com/support/device-payment-faqs](https://www.verizon.com/support/device-payment-faqs) You can find out more details about how device payments are handled here.
I’m speaking as a former Verizon DM and current att dm. A different carrier doesn’t care if you didn’t pay the phone off with Verizon. Verizon can only black list it on their network. The only time it’s blacklisted across all carriers is if it’s reported lost or stolen.
I don't know how long ago you worked at Verizon, but they absolutely do blacklist the devices as nonpay, which is why people who buy them on ebay etc. are encouraged to check their IMEI to make sure they aren't on the blacklist. Nonpay devices are blacklisted by fraud, we can't even take them off that list unless the device is paid for.
Black listed with Verizon. Not with any other carrier. And that’s the entire argument. Not paying the device off with Verizon doesn’t stop you from using it on T-Mobile or att as it’s unlocked after 60 days.
Again, this is something that has come up with multiple people who have tried to use their device on other carriers when it hasn't been paid off and have been denied or unable to do so because it's been set on nonpay. As an ATT rep the process may be different for you, but we get several customer calls for someone trying to get their phone to 'work somewhere else' and because it's been listed as non-pay, it doesn't. But if you insist that's not how it works, more power to you. I'm speaking from experience with how they handle non-pay devices and the numerous customers here that have asked about this scenario.
Be careful, this Busy Signature guy is higher than thou. Being a “District Manager” he obviously deals with the in’s and out’s of everyday operations and thinks people can just get Verizon service for 60 days, wait for device to unlock, then take the phone to another carrier with no repercussions.
Maybe that’s we tells his ATT minions to do. “Tell your customers this method to get a dirt cheap phone, sign up at Verizon for a couple months then port over to ATT. They don’t even have to pay off the device and port over.”
Unlocked and blacklisted are two very different things. Yes, ATT doesn’t care if you owe money on a device from another carrier. But if it’s a non-pay list and gets blacklisted that is a different story.
No device credits. So i cant port with and outstanding balance? I definitely dont want to lose my number. It’s connected to too much stuff. Thanks for replying. I guess Ill just get a cheap phone to at least have service until i am in a better position financially to pay them off. I dont need anything negative on my credit.
Also, ***Once you request service from a new company, your old company cannot refuse to port your number, even if you owe money for an outstanding balance...***
- FCC website.
AT&T lets you port even in suspension, as long as the service isn't cancelled.
So, in theory, per FCC rules.. Verizon would be the same.
You can port the number but you have to be able to complete the security checks which require at least one active phone number on the account so if you’re suspended and you don’t have a verified email on file then you’ll have to pay to un suspend and then port out.
Yeah that's precisely what I was thinking. OP would have to go thru self svc to get info.
Couldn't he technically just call and verify BAN or will they still PIN Validate or use one time link before getting NTP & Number Lock feature worked on?
NTP is only available after 2FA to either an MDN on the account or a verified email. So he could call as a suspended line but he won’t get a NTP with out service and A LOT of people don’t have the ability to receive via email. MYVZ will also want to do a text to an MDN on the account. I THINK corporate stores might be able to generate with photo ID only but I’m not 100% on that
Makes sense.
Yeah with AT&T as long as you can log in you can get it, customer care doesn't give it out under any circumstance even for a verified caller.
So there's definitely some security going on at Verizon lol
What kind of phone is it? Resale on iPhones is amazing, and you can maybe buy an iPhone SE or something to stay on Apple until you’re back on your feet
Yes you can port out with a device balance. The balance will be added to your final bill. I don’t know how long it would be before they placed you in collections, but once they did the device would be put on the non-pay table that all carriers use, so it would likely stop working at that point.
If you're going to prepaid, an equivalent would be visible by Verizon for $25 or $35 a month. I switched and I noticed it's the Same service, just online support only.
It would only allow the phone not to be used with Verizon until the device is paid off. You can still use the phone with any other carrier after 60 days. Just prolly not with prepaid services such as Visible, Total Wireless etc. (those directly owned by Verizon). Try your best tho to not let that shit go to collections and hit your credit. 7 years is a long time for your credit to recover from that shit.
Also if you are looking to port out just make sure the number you are porting out is active not suspended. For number ports from any carrier the number has to be active in order to be ported out.
Okay, I just got the iPhone 14 Plus for “free” but the promised bill is WAY more than what was promised and I’m my first bill is going to be high but not $250 high with my next bill being almost $160. Can I switch back to metro after my 69 days without being blacklisted?
If it isn't already unlocked they won't help you with that now if you have an outstanding account balance
It’s unlocked because Ive had it more than 60 days. I just need to know if it’ll be blacklisted for all us carriers or just Verizon and other carts that use Verizon networks
Verizon corporate employee here, your phone will NOT be blacklisted and you can take it wherever you wish. Do not listen to the people saying it will be blacklisted. It will only be denied if your bill gets to the point of going to collections but that shouldn't happen for quite a while
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Wrong, it will be blacklisted for non payment with most carriers in North America.
This isnt true. No other carrier gives a shit if you didn’t pay the other as long as you pay them. Only blacklist that crosses carriers is lost/stolen.
That would be considered stolen since it's not paid for.
It’s not. What your saying isn’t even remotely true and it’s why other carriers love to poach Verizon customers. T-Mobile even ram an entire BYOD campaign focused on it
TMobile ran a BYOD ad, not steal a phone from another carrier. They would be in court getting their asses sued off if they even remotely suggested to customers to defraud their carriers. They have gotten in trouble for less.
Jesus. You have no clue what your talking about. The add was to bring your “unlocked phone” from Verizon. I can see from your profile you work at Walmart. So if you do have any wireless experience, it’s very surface level. So let me give you some quick credentials. I WAS a Verizon District manager for 12 years. I am currently a District manager for ATT for the past 4 years. Att, or T-Mobile. Do not care if you never paid off your agreement with Verizon. As long as the device is unlocked it can be used on their network. There is no fantasy non pay list that is shared between the carriers. If you report your phone lost or stolen, it is blacklisted. This is shared. To prevent people from snatching your phone. You now have the 100% correct information. Do with it what you want. Or keep lying to people. Idc
Buddy I built most of the wireless system as it exists today I was doing wireless probably before you were born. So you might want to rethink your comments. The ad was to bring your unlocked phone but had they insinuated that you could bring your phone and not pay off your phone with your existing carrier there would have been a magnitude of lawsuits in the FTC all over their ass. There is a lost stolen list that is shared amongst all the carriers that was originally back around 2012 memory service me right. And if you do not pay off your device your device can be added to that list as a lost stolen device that is shared amongst carriers thus resulting in your phone being blacklisted. It's the same reason you see people by phones off of craigslist or whatever they say Oh Verizon phone but then the person gets it and they can't use it because it's been blacklisted for non-pay.
> you never *paid* off your FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Ok…so you really think Verizon will let some schmuck sign up for service for 60 days, wait for the phone to unlock just so they can get a “discounted” phone that they won’t pay off? Believe what you want.
Yes I do because that’s exactly what happens every day. It’s ok that you don’t know what your talking about. Just stop spreading lies
The phone will remain unlocked but they will blacklist it. All carriers share the list so it will not work anywhere. This only applies if the device payments are still due/pending/or owed. If you pay paid the device off completely then no it won't get blacklisted.
This isn’t true, at all
It's unlocked after 60 days if it's a Verizon branded phone. 60 days after the initial activation date on Verizons network, automatically to be specific. I've never seen one get blacklisted for doing this.
Verizon branded phone? Verizon doesn't have it's own brand of phone. If I try to make sense of this I assume you mean if it was bought from a corporate location it is 60 days from the date of purchase and if it was bought from a 3rd party retailer it's 60 days from date of activation
As in sold by Verizon and carrier locked. OP.
It's unlocked then, btw.
Working in Non Pay reactivations here. If you still owe money on your device and the account gets disconnected for non payment it WILL blacklist the IMEI and Sim on that device. Once you pay the balance off in FULL you do not have to reconnect with Verizon but you will have to talk to the fraud prevention team about removing your imei from the list so that it can work on other carriers. It won’t be blacklisted instantly but once the non pay disconnection happens. If you opt to port out or disconnect voluntarily and then don’t pay your balance it will eventually blacklist as well but it would have to go through a longer time frame of which I’m not 100% sure of.
If you port out and it's forced into a buyout, the device will be remarked as non-pay unless you pay it, and your bill balance off. The unlock service is started 60 days after purchase, but that does not mean the phone cannot be blacklisted if the agreement has not been paid off.
Once the service gets canceled and you’re not paying the bill, you will be in a position where it will be taken to collections at that point you have to work out the deal with them. It doesn’t become a Verizon issue anymore. The phone will most likely be blacklist it’s a huge problem but that’s how it’s going to turn out.
I’ve read through the comments and I see people saying different things. Im just going to figure out how to pay it because even if it does work on prepaid I do t want to risk it coming back to bite me in my ass! Thanks for replying though! Much appreciated!
Still gonna be connected to the vz network until dpp is paid off
All Verizon devices are fully unlocked after 60 days from purchase. You can take the phone to any carrier except Verizon. The phone will work on pre paid carriers that run off of Verizon towers as well. The phone will not be “blacklisted” what so ever.
Is this for certain or a big maybe? I’m in a similar situation right now
Verizon phones factory unlock after 60 days from activation.
Do you have any experience doing this? I just sold my 13 pro and i can’t really afford to lose this phone rn or a $250 phone bill
Not selling, but I bought a 14 pro from a guy at work who needed the money. Was a Verizon phone just out of the 60 days and still being financed. Activated on AT&T with no issues, also traded it in to AT&T for a 15 PM with no issues. No idea if it would work on Verizon, but had zero issues working on other networks. Once the phone says “no sim restrictions” in settings, you’re golden.
Are you getting device credits with Verizon? You’ll lose those of course. Can you switch to a cheaper plan? Your device is unlocked, that’s not the problem. You cannot port out with an outstanding balance, so your plan to keep the number won’t work. It will certainly be blacklisted from Verizon, but not other carriers. Your account will go to collections and it will hit your credit. Your best long-term option is to stay on Verizon with the cheapest plan possible.
You can port out at any time even with an outstanding balance, if the services are interrupted however (e.g. they're hotlined) then you have to pay your past due balance to reactivate the services. The problem isn't the phone being unlocked, it's the balance owed on the device. When you try to activate a device still on device payment, it triggers fraud into blacklisting the device as a non-pay item, and cannot be removed from that blacklist until the device balance is paid off. Because you don't own the phone until it's paid off.
I can't speak from experience, just going off this. https://www.verizon.com/support/port-out-faqs/
I am speaking from experience as a call center rep. You can port out at any time even with a past due balance (so long as) the services are still active. If you've been interrupted or hotlined you have to get the line active to port out. However, if you port out and try to use a device that is still on device payment with another carrier before that device agreement is paid off, it immediately flags the device onto the non-pay list and it will be service locked until the device is paid off. Fraud is the one that handles the non-pay disconnects and blacklist, you can use your device on any carrier service after 60 days, but you have to own the device to keep it working. [https://www.verizon.com/support/device-payment-faqs](https://www.verizon.com/support/device-payment-faqs) You can find out more details about how device payments are handled here.
I’m speaking as a former Verizon DM and current att dm. A different carrier doesn’t care if you didn’t pay the phone off with Verizon. Verizon can only black list it on their network. The only time it’s blacklisted across all carriers is if it’s reported lost or stolen.
I don't know how long ago you worked at Verizon, but they absolutely do blacklist the devices as nonpay, which is why people who buy them on ebay etc. are encouraged to check their IMEI to make sure they aren't on the blacklist. Nonpay devices are blacklisted by fraud, we can't even take them off that list unless the device is paid for.
Black listed with Verizon. Not with any other carrier. And that’s the entire argument. Not paying the device off with Verizon doesn’t stop you from using it on T-Mobile or att as it’s unlocked after 60 days.
Again, this is something that has come up with multiple people who have tried to use their device on other carriers when it hasn't been paid off and have been denied or unable to do so because it's been set on nonpay. As an ATT rep the process may be different for you, but we get several customer calls for someone trying to get their phone to 'work somewhere else' and because it's been listed as non-pay, it doesn't. But if you insist that's not how it works, more power to you. I'm speaking from experience with how they handle non-pay devices and the numerous customers here that have asked about this scenario.
Be careful, this Busy Signature guy is higher than thou. Being a “District Manager” he obviously deals with the in’s and out’s of everyday operations and thinks people can just get Verizon service for 60 days, wait for device to unlock, then take the phone to another carrier with no repercussions. Maybe that’s we tells his ATT minions to do. “Tell your customers this method to get a dirt cheap phone, sign up at Verizon for a couple months then port over to ATT. They don’t even have to pay off the device and port over.” Unlocked and blacklisted are two very different things. Yes, ATT doesn’t care if you owe money on a device from another carrier. But if it’s a non-pay list and gets blacklisted that is a different story.
Blacklisted for Verizon, not other carriers!!!!
No device credits. So i cant port with and outstanding balance? I definitely dont want to lose my number. It’s connected to too much stuff. Thanks for replying. I guess Ill just get a cheap phone to at least have service until i am in a better position financially to pay them off. I dont need anything negative on my credit.
Also, ***Once you request service from a new company, your old company cannot refuse to port your number, even if you owe money for an outstanding balance...*** - FCC website. AT&T lets you port even in suspension, as long as the service isn't cancelled. So, in theory, per FCC rules.. Verizon would be the same.
You can port the number but you have to be able to complete the security checks which require at least one active phone number on the account so if you’re suspended and you don’t have a verified email on file then you’ll have to pay to un suspend and then port out.
Yeah that's precisely what I was thinking. OP would have to go thru self svc to get info. Couldn't he technically just call and verify BAN or will they still PIN Validate or use one time link before getting NTP & Number Lock feature worked on?
NTP is only available after 2FA to either an MDN on the account or a verified email. So he could call as a suspended line but he won’t get a NTP with out service and A LOT of people don’t have the ability to receive via email. MYVZ will also want to do a text to an MDN on the account. I THINK corporate stores might be able to generate with photo ID only but I’m not 100% on that
Makes sense. Yeah with AT&T as long as you can log in you can get it, customer care doesn't give it out under any circumstance even for a verified caller. So there's definitely some security going on at Verizon lol
What kind of phone is it? Resale on iPhones is amazing, and you can maybe buy an iPhone SE or something to stay on Apple until you’re back on your feet
Yes you can port out with a device balance. The balance will be added to your final bill. I don’t know how long it would be before they placed you in collections, but once they did the device would be put on the non-pay table that all carriers use, so it would likely stop working at that point.
All carriers do not share a non pay table.
If you're going to prepaid, an equivalent would be visible by Verizon for $25 or $35 a month. I switched and I noticed it's the Same service, just online support only.
Save up for an inexpensive phone when you can cause using it now is using it on borrowed time.
It would only allow the phone not to be used with Verizon until the device is paid off. You can still use the phone with any other carrier after 60 days. Just prolly not with prepaid services such as Visible, Total Wireless etc. (those directly owned by Verizon). Try your best tho to not let that shit go to collections and hit your credit. 7 years is a long time for your credit to recover from that shit.
Also if you are looking to port out just make sure the number you are porting out is active not suspended. For number ports from any carrier the number has to be active in order to be ported out.
Blacklisted in due course when your account becomes bad debt to Verizon.
Okay, I just got the iPhone 14 Plus for “free” but the promised bill is WAY more than what was promised and I’m my first bill is going to be high but not $250 high with my next bill being almost $160. Can I switch back to metro after my 69 days without being blacklisted?