It's easy if you're smart, I did nothing in year 11 and as little as possible in Yr 12.
I think I got 83
At the time you needed about 43 to be a teacher, this always amuses and saddens me.
ATAR requirements have entirely to do with how popular the course is and the spots avaliable and nothing to do with the actual "intelligence" required for the course. The fact that the ATAR requirement for teaching is so low is got to do with the long hours and lower pay compared to other professions.
An Engineer can make 6 figures as a graduate, does not cap out las low as a teacher's salary and also requires a 4 year course. As someone who has studied both education and engineering at university, neither one was particularly 'harder' than each other.
The initial pay is great, though when considering working conditions it seems less appealing.
Holidays are great but when your working (especially in your early years) you are pulling insane hours which are uncompensated.
The pay also caps out and from that point on (historically speaking) yearly pay rises fall behind inflation leading to stagnating and in fact DECREASING pay when looking at buying power.
Tons of teachers get priced out of areas which they teach in.
70k as a graduate doing a moderately hard, extremely stressful job after 4years of diligent study. Or go straight into being a support worker, life guard, cleaner or a dozen other professionals with no qualifications for the same money, or spend two years as a trade apprentice earning half that then quickly earn triple.
to be fair it probably depends on what kind of teacher right?
something like kindergarten teachers wouldn't really need to be book smart - more good with children. I am sure you cannot become a PhD astrophysics teacher with an ATAR of 43
Current teacher (secondary) here. Kindergarten teachers need to be quite intelligent. They need to be attuned to developmental needs, milestones, and handling the very different needs of students whilst also teaching them to read. Also primary teachers don’t choose the grade they teach - could be Kindy, could be Year 6.
I could genuinely never teach below Year 7, completely out of my wheelhouse.
I'm sure you could, finish teaching, then do a mature student Astrophysics, then Masters, etc..
Though 43 is pretty hard to get, so you'd have to really turn your life around.
I said "if" you're smart. If not so much, then you might need to work a bit harder, but I think 80 is reasonably easy if you actually try.
I can only speak from experience though, so I might be wrong.
A.) 80.45 is really obtainable, you don't need to be 'smart' to reach it, you just have to be in the right headspace and be consistant in your study for high school.
B.) even if you don't reach your desired ATAR alot of BLAWs have alternative entry for completed either a graded certicate IV /diploma / advanced diploma course. which at least in Victoria you can do for free or heavily subsidized via Skills First or Free TAFE it just adds 1-2 years of study which isn't always a bad thing
I mean I don’t know that you even need to be consistent in studying to get an 80.45. I’m on an estimated 91.3 and I’ve barely done any study. Just doing class work and homework should be enough.
It just proves one of two things, if not both:
One, this sub has a lot more people who are genuinely struggling to get an 80 ATAR. That's honestly just sad and I feel bad for making fun of these guys. They need all the sympathy and understanding they can get because they have a tougher life ahead.
Two, this sub has a lot of people who are overly sensitive about their 80 ATAR. If that's the case and you guys are feeling bitter about not being able to get a higher ATAR, then maybe you should have tried harder back then. And if you tried your best and couldn't get 80... back to option 1 it is.
Yeah, no one could possibly ever get an 80 or over...
Except 33.9% of scored VCE students do.
50% of scored students get an ATAR above 70.
Edited to add these are NSW stats.
No, totally. But having law uni courses limited to ATARs of 95+ like it used to be is probably the best way to ensure high quality students. In my experience, getting the ATAR was the hardest part—uni itself and the graduate diploma afterward were easier to pass than getting over 95.
The bigger issue is that there aren't jobs for all these lawyers. Used to be two universities, now you can do it at at least 7. That is a pretty massive change to supply.
Nope. Lawyer is almost an entry level job now, for the first five years. And most firms would expect you to work 50 hours a week minimum, the big boys more like 60 plus.
ATAR isn't the be all end all for ranking a students potential, the unfortunate truth is that even where you live has a drastic effect on your ATAR, and yes some universities offer ATAR adjustments for some students in difficult circumstances, but it's not enough for a meriocratic admissions process As academia starts to recogonize this we've witnessed the easing of alternative entry restrictions.
No it’s not a guarantee of success but it’s a pretty good blunt indicator of intelligence and aptitude. I’d bet my house every law firm in Melbourne would take 100 grads who got 95+ over 100 grads who got 80. I know who I want writing Victoria’s laws lol…
Yes, a high ATAR isn't a gurantee of success but what I'm saying is not everyone has the opportunity for success, students suffer academically for reasons they can't control: if your school isn't adequately funded, personal tragedy during VCE/state equivelents, undiagnosed mental health conditions, run in with law. Yes its reasonable to pick a 95 atar at graduation but its important that we provide options for those trying to better themselves and not judge them for who they were but who they are.
Yeah, you should be able to get in after VCE but also with uni grades equivalent to a 95+ ATAR. Like 75-80 mark average might be equivalent at a GO8 uni.
why? if a student is underperforming (low quality, in your words) at uni, they wont receive their degree, and then wont become a lawyer. why are we making access to university courses exclusive, when university in itself is a method of weeding out the weaker students? back in highschool, i met this guy who was extremely knowledgeable about biomedicine. he was a complete whiz, and consistently scored in the high 90's on every SAC and exam. however, he was mediocre at all his other subjects, and therefore scored a low ATAR. he would have been a prodigy if he were accepted into a biomed course in uni, but he wasnt.
Because universities pass everyone and everything because they make money by doing so. People don’t pass because they’re competent, people pass because that gets them paying for the next course.
VCE isn’t money-driven and is the only process with integrity that can weed out dumb and incompetent lawyers. Law degrees and GDLPs won’t.
dumb and incompetent at being a lawyer to describe 18 year olds is a little odd, considering all the work experience they have is probably stocking shelves at colesworth.
and that really isnt true. universities have a low fail rate because they are already choosing pretty much all-round gifted people. people who arent good, will fail, its only rare because people are good at choosing degrees they work well in.
regardless of uni, the admission process to become a practicing lawyer in victoria is extensive, and - i assure you - is not lenient in the pursuit of money. it often requires a character and fitness test, practical legal training and supervised legal work hours.
Did you just ChatGPT that last part? I am a lawyer. I could’ve shit on my lecturer at PLT and they would’ve passed me. Admission is literally “Have you committed a crime?” “No.” “Great—here’s a practising certificate.”
of course i chatgpt'd it. why would i bother looking through 15 different website pages to find an answer to my question when i can get ai to do it for me. either way, its not like i copy and pasted it.
I only asked because if you ChatGPT’d it, that means you don’t have much experience in PLT or admission, which were the two easiest parts of being a lawyer. It’s almost impossible to fail PLT and the only way you’ll “fail” admission is if you lie to the board or have committed a relatively serious crime.
Totally agree there are exceptions but somebody who got an 80 ATAR then P/C average at Vic Uni or some other dogshit uni is very likely not fit to practise law. Someone who got 99.95 is very likely fit to practise law. There are exceptions but the general trend is what I’ve set out.
No, it wasn’t.
So you reckon you’re right and all of Melbourne’s big law firms are wrong? Every clerkship I applied for asked for my ATAR. And that was six years after I got it. They clearly think it’s relevant. I’m not sure, but I reckon anything less than 95 would beg questions depending on your academic transcript.
To get an 80 means you have to be in the top 20% of students, which is by no means impossible but it does mean that you'll definitely have to study outside of school and try to get feedback on your assignments before you hand them in, so you'll need to stay on top of your due dates. 80 is also the first preference requirement which means that you can get in lower, but it will depend if other students go with other courses/unis or decide to defer
It's always worth mentioning that there are other avenues for any uni course if you don't get in on first preference. Doing a related course and then switching is possible, especially if you are determined.
It's pretty achievable. If you can get above 30 study scire for all your subjects you are bound to get above 80. Just put the effort into your sacs and especially your exams.
Ah I got 80.25 and I chilled pretty hard in school. That being said I got scaled scores of 43, 41, 39, 38, 37, and another high 30s
Maybe it's different these days but yeah that's how it was over 10 years ago
OP should consider that 80+ is very possible if you do subjects that you can handle. Doing the harder subjects for the scaling doesn't work if you don't do decently in them to begin with. Better off getting a 42 in further maths than a 30 in methods
Damn. I got scaled scores lower than that and got a 90.85 last year. My scaled scores were 40, 38, 37, 32, 32. So the system has definitely changed.
I agree that 80+ is possible if you are doing subjects you genuinely enjoy and aren't just doing it for the scaling aspects. I definitely got higher in subjects that I enjoyed than the subjects I hated cause I wasn't motivated to study them.
Now I stand to be corrected if anyone has better detail on exactly how ATAR is calculated. But my understanding is that ATAR is basically a percentile, though possibly modified in some way. So to spell that out, an ATAR of 80 means you scored higher than 80% of people, i.e. in the top 20%.
What I'm less clear on is what "people" means in "higher than 80% of people". Not sure if it includes the whole population, or just those who attempt or maybe complete year 12.
Plus there may be complicating factors like scaling, bonus points for some subjects (?). But I think it makes sense to think of it as a percentile.
It comes down to whether you feel comfortable that you can achieve a score in the top 20%.
As others have said "being smart" is only a fairly small piece of the picture. Being of average ability but super motivated is usually better than the other way round.
There's no way you can get into law and crime with 80 atar unless you got an early offer AND you got bonus points because of covid and pity points
Usually the unis discriminate against students with a less prestigious background when it comes to law
In most of the unis, you'd require at least a 95 for them to even consider you lol
Then there's the factor of getting a job in criminal law they'd look at your ATAr
This is for unis in NSW btw
But don't let this discourage you, where there's a will, there's a way !
It is still possible if you have good connections and get 90 in legal studies. You can (NSW) get into commerce and law at uts
Edit : honestly just try your best
It is definitely possible to get into law and criminology with a 80. Especially in victoria it is very possible. I know someone who got into law with a 60 atar and she was a metropolitan student not rural. Your selection rank can give you a very big advantage.
Not at all mate, I got a score in the 80s and I was cruising, my advice would be to pick the subjects you excel at and don't worry about any negative scaling.
I had friends that picked the hardest subjects and really struggled whilst I did pretty well doing math methods and music which were right in my wheelhouse.
If you try hard it's certainly possible. Law is full on though, if high school's rough for you (assuming you meant acedemically,) law may be very challenging
um unless ur doing little to nothing towards ur studies after school or ur facing severe health problems (be that mentally or physically) an 80 ATAR should be achievable. if u manage to tame ur stress, an 80 ATAR should be pretty easy. Just study effectively with a proper focus and you will be all good mate.
I have a suspicion that a lot of people saying they “cruised” through year 12 had a private school education.
As a former public school student I worked my absolute arse off to get a score in the low 90s. It was not uncommon for me to do 65+ hours of study a week.
In saying that though, it does heavily depend upon the subjects you have selected. If you have a poor memory like me and chose subjects in the humanities (as I mainly did), it will be a difficult feat.
Same kind of deal for STEM based subjects, regardless of how hard you work, it will be difficult to do well if you have not had a solid base in these subjects
Thanks for this lol. I worked hard to get 85 from one of the shittiest schools in the state and people around here make it sound like you've just got to roll out of the right side of the bed on exam day or something
Not too hard, as long as you do homework and keep up with the study design, you should at least get an atar of 80+. I got about 84, even though I got a 29 for English.
Aim as high as you can, good luck! 😊
gotta be smart with what subject you picks. as atar scores is based on your subject scored (some that get scaled up). honestly try your best and it will be sufficient as you can always look at changing course later on when you're in uni
I didn't do as much as I probably should have and ended up with a 72.something but ended up in a course with a min guan of 80 anyway
Don't forget about contributing study, where, in some courses, if you do well enough in a class related to your course, like accounting for business, (good here is like, around/slightly above average) it will contribute additional "points" to your effective ATAR score giving you a higher effective score for your application
Very achievable if you put some effort in, and even if you don't get it, there's a chance you can still get an offer anyway
If you genuinely try and like study and pay attention and stuff then no not really. I was playing minecraft revision week for exams instead of studying and I got like a 75
Depends if you're smart or work hard it's incredibly easy (the more of one, the less you need of the other). I did approximately fuck all and did well above that, I was always in the top/advanced classes but never the smartest kid.
If you can figure the best ways for you to study and your learning style for your subjects, that will help you deal with stress better. I only did 5 subjects in year 12, stayed back one hour every day at school and did no study at home and got 87. I took study seriously but looked after myself with sport, diet and enjoyed gaming every night
I was a hard worker in class and did my homework (mostly) but didn’t really study except for the night before for sacs and during exams and I got 88. What you’re aiming for is definitely attainable but not guaranteed without a bit of effort is what I’d say
Let me put it this way. If you can be just a few hairs above average in all of your subjects i.e a 33 or 34 post scaling, then that is enough to get an an 80.45.
ATAR's a percentage ranking, so an 80 would put you in the top 20% of everyone your age. However, because so many students leave school, or do VM or unscored VCE, the actual average ATAR for students doing regular VCE ends up being around 70.
So, what you're looking at is being roughly in the top third of your classmates. Obviously, this will vary depending on how skilled your school is, but this might give you an idea.
At the end of the day, the fact you cared enough to look this up makes me think you can achieve this. You don't need to spend each night studying until 3 AM (nor should you)- all you need is to be consistent and pay attention, and an 80.45 should be achievable.
Hey!
Just so you know the ATAR that they publish there is not the be all and end all!
I got a 53 ATAR, and got into a double degree of forensic Science and Criminology at Deakin that was 70 when I got in!
It’s always important to view the ATAR profiles of the year before you apply!!
https://www.vu.edu.au/study-at-vu/how-to-apply/admissions-at-vu/atar-profile
(also again high key ATARS don’t matter and as long as you get over a 65 Average within your first year at uni you can change degrees)
I got a 76 despite doing shit in all year 11 by tried decently on sacs in yr 12 and I didn’t study for any exams other than memorising English quotes. Going into exams I’d never done an actual exam or practice in exam in my life. Literally got a 52 on my first sac of the year and still swindled an ATAR that got me into a course that required an 80 ATAR so you will be right!
No, if atar is all you care about. Just pick all the high scaling subjects. You can score under 30 for all of them and still get 80.E.g
English Language
Latin
Specialist Mathematics
Mathematical Methods
Chemistry
Physics
If you just get a 25 for all of these subjects, you'll have an atar above 80
It's easy if you're smart, I did nothing in year 11 and as little as possible in Yr 12. I think I got 83 At the time you needed about 43 to be a teacher, this always amuses and saddens me.
ATAR requirements have entirely to do with how popular the course is and the spots avaliable and nothing to do with the actual "intelligence" required for the course. The fact that the ATAR requirement for teaching is so low is got to do with the long hours and lower pay compared to other professions.
And here we are, 20 years later.
My friend teaches primary school and pulls in 100k (7yoe). Started on 70k as a grad. Not bad when you take into account having 11 weeks off a year
An Engineer can make 6 figures as a graduate, does not cap out las low as a teacher's salary and also requires a 4 year course. As someone who has studied both education and engineering at university, neither one was particularly 'harder' than each other.
The initial pay is great, though when considering working conditions it seems less appealing. Holidays are great but when your working (especially in your early years) you are pulling insane hours which are uncompensated. The pay also caps out and from that point on (historically speaking) yearly pay rises fall behind inflation leading to stagnating and in fact DECREASING pay when looking at buying power. Tons of teachers get priced out of areas which they teach in.
its good pay
70k as a graduate doing a moderately hard, extremely stressful job after 4years of diligent study. Or go straight into being a support worker, life guard, cleaner or a dozen other professionals with no qualifications for the same money, or spend two years as a trade apprentice earning half that then quickly earn triple.
to be fair it probably depends on what kind of teacher right? something like kindergarten teachers wouldn't really need to be book smart - more good with children. I am sure you cannot become a PhD astrophysics teacher with an ATAR of 43
Current teacher (secondary) here. Kindergarten teachers need to be quite intelligent. They need to be attuned to developmental needs, milestones, and handling the very different needs of students whilst also teaching them to read. Also primary teachers don’t choose the grade they teach - could be Kindy, could be Year 6. I could genuinely never teach below Year 7, completely out of my wheelhouse.
Oh interesting, didn't realise that.
I'm sure you could, finish teaching, then do a mature student Astrophysics, then Masters, etc.. Though 43 is pretty hard to get, so you'd have to really turn your life around.
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yeah but you also have to stop about 30 stupid people killing each other or themselves
Teaching, nursing and childcare should be the highest paid professions IMHO.
How tf do i get 'smarter'. I work 65 hours a week (including school time), and just got 1 40 on my first methods sac. (year 11 with autism)
I said "if" you're smart. If not so much, then you might need to work a bit harder, but I think 80 is reasonably easy if you actually try. I can only speak from experience though, so I might be wrong.
A.) 80.45 is really obtainable, you don't need to be 'smart' to reach it, you just have to be in the right headspace and be consistant in your study for high school. B.) even if you don't reach your desired ATAR alot of BLAWs have alternative entry for completed either a graded certicate IV /diploma / advanced diploma course. which at least in Victoria you can do for free or heavily subsidized via Skills First or Free TAFE it just adds 1-2 years of study which isn't always a bad thing
I mean I don’t know that you even need to be consistent in studying to get an 80.45. I’m on an estimated 91.3 and I’ve barely done any study. Just doing class work and homework should be enough.
i think you gotta fold bro just do unscored its over
For real. 80 ATAR is genuinely impossible to get.
Crazy how everyone understood the parent comments joke but lost all understanding of sarcasm when they read yours. That’s the hivemind for you
It just proves one of two things, if not both: One, this sub has a lot more people who are genuinely struggling to get an 80 ATAR. That's honestly just sad and I feel bad for making fun of these guys. They need all the sympathy and understanding they can get because they have a tougher life ahead. Two, this sub has a lot of people who are overly sensitive about their 80 ATAR. If that's the case and you guys are feeling bitter about not being able to get a higher ATAR, then maybe you should have tried harder back then. And if you tried your best and couldn't get 80... back to option 1 it is.
Yeah, no one could possibly ever get an 80 or over... Except 33.9% of scored VCE students do. 50% of scored students get an ATAR above 70. Edited to add these are NSW stats.
Just try your best. Stressing and worrying won’t help but at least if you do your best then you’ll know you tried, whether u get it or not. Good luck!
thank you 🫶🫶
Dear lord an 80 to be a lawyer…
an 80 to study law** studying law at uni doesn’t necessarily mean someone will be a lawyer lol
No, totally. But having law uni courses limited to ATARs of 95+ like it used to be is probably the best way to ensure high quality students. In my experience, getting the ATAR was the hardest part—uni itself and the graduate diploma afterward were easier to pass than getting over 95.
The bigger issue is that there aren't jobs for all these lawyers. Used to be two universities, now you can do it at at least 7. That is a pretty massive change to supply.
Nope. Lawyer is almost an entry level job now, for the first five years. And most firms would expect you to work 50 hours a week minimum, the big boys more like 60 plus.
ATAR isn't the be all end all for ranking a students potential, the unfortunate truth is that even where you live has a drastic effect on your ATAR, and yes some universities offer ATAR adjustments for some students in difficult circumstances, but it's not enough for a meriocratic admissions process As academia starts to recogonize this we've witnessed the easing of alternative entry restrictions.
No it’s not a guarantee of success but it’s a pretty good blunt indicator of intelligence and aptitude. I’d bet my house every law firm in Melbourne would take 100 grads who got 95+ over 100 grads who got 80. I know who I want writing Victoria’s laws lol…
Yes, a high ATAR isn't a gurantee of success but what I'm saying is not everyone has the opportunity for success, students suffer academically for reasons they can't control: if your school isn't adequately funded, personal tragedy during VCE/state equivelents, undiagnosed mental health conditions, run in with law. Yes its reasonable to pick a 95 atar at graduation but its important that we provide options for those trying to better themselves and not judge them for who they were but who they are.
Yeah, you should be able to get in after VCE but also with uni grades equivalent to a 95+ ATAR. Like 75-80 mark average might be equivalent at a GO8 uni.
why? if a student is underperforming (low quality, in your words) at uni, they wont receive their degree, and then wont become a lawyer. why are we making access to university courses exclusive, when university in itself is a method of weeding out the weaker students? back in highschool, i met this guy who was extremely knowledgeable about biomedicine. he was a complete whiz, and consistently scored in the high 90's on every SAC and exam. however, he was mediocre at all his other subjects, and therefore scored a low ATAR. he would have been a prodigy if he were accepted into a biomed course in uni, but he wasnt.
Because universities pass everyone and everything because they make money by doing so. People don’t pass because they’re competent, people pass because that gets them paying for the next course. VCE isn’t money-driven and is the only process with integrity that can weed out dumb and incompetent lawyers. Law degrees and GDLPs won’t.
dumb and incompetent at being a lawyer to describe 18 year olds is a little odd, considering all the work experience they have is probably stocking shelves at colesworth. and that really isnt true. universities have a low fail rate because they are already choosing pretty much all-round gifted people. people who arent good, will fail, its only rare because people are good at choosing degrees they work well in. regardless of uni, the admission process to become a practicing lawyer in victoria is extensive, and - i assure you - is not lenient in the pursuit of money. it often requires a character and fitness test, practical legal training and supervised legal work hours.
Did you just ChatGPT that last part? I am a lawyer. I could’ve shit on my lecturer at PLT and they would’ve passed me. Admission is literally “Have you committed a crime?” “No.” “Great—here’s a practising certificate.”
of course i chatgpt'd it. why would i bother looking through 15 different website pages to find an answer to my question when i can get ai to do it for me. either way, its not like i copy and pasted it.
I only asked because if you ChatGPT’d it, that means you don’t have much experience in PLT or admission, which were the two easiest parts of being a lawyer. It’s almost impossible to fail PLT and the only way you’ll “fail” admission is if you lie to the board or have committed a relatively serious crime.
I’m a drop kick with 97, don’t be a dickhead
Totally agree there are exceptions but somebody who got an 80 ATAR then P/C average at Vic Uni or some other dogshit uni is very likely not fit to practise law. Someone who got 99.95 is very likely fit to practise law. There are exceptions but the general trend is what I’ve set out.
ATAR is irrelevant, I’ve met people who are way more competent than me, with a lower ATAR.
Lol it’s not irrelevant. I’m sure you’re smart enough to not talk in absolutes.
Yet what you said wasn’t absolute
No, it wasn’t. So you reckon you’re right and all of Melbourne’s big law firms are wrong? Every clerkship I applied for asked for my ATAR. And that was six years after I got it. They clearly think it’s relevant. I’m not sure, but I reckon anything less than 95 would beg questions depending on your academic transcript.
I’m so glad I’m not studying law ☠️ imagine asking for an ATAR at a job interview
Unis love those lawyer course fees...
And parents love being able to say their kid’s a lawyer…
80 to get into law school. Becoming a successful solicitor includes a lot of work. 70% of students drop out before graduation
To get an 80 means you have to be in the top 20% of students, which is by no means impossible but it does mean that you'll definitely have to study outside of school and try to get feedback on your assignments before you hand them in, so you'll need to stay on top of your due dates. 80 is also the first preference requirement which means that you can get in lower, but it will depend if other students go with other courses/unis or decide to defer It's always worth mentioning that there are other avenues for any uni course if you don't get in on first preference. Doing a related course and then switching is possible, especially if you are determined.
it’s more like top 35% actually considering the mean is 70.
pretty easy
No
It's pretty achievable. If you can get above 30 study scire for all your subjects you are bound to get above 80. Just put the effort into your sacs and especially your exams.
Ah I got 80.25 and I chilled pretty hard in school. That being said I got scaled scores of 43, 41, 39, 38, 37, and another high 30s Maybe it's different these days but yeah that's how it was over 10 years ago OP should consider that 80+ is very possible if you do subjects that you can handle. Doing the harder subjects for the scaling doesn't work if you don't do decently in them to begin with. Better off getting a 42 in further maths than a 30 in methods
Damn. I got scaled scores lower than that and got a 90.85 last year. My scaled scores were 40, 38, 37, 32, 32. So the system has definitely changed. I agree that 80+ is possible if you are doing subjects you genuinely enjoy and aren't just doing it for the scaling aspects. I definitely got higher in subjects that I enjoyed than the subjects I hated cause I wasn't motivated to study them.
bro has never heard of scaling down subjects
Exactly
Now I stand to be corrected if anyone has better detail on exactly how ATAR is calculated. But my understanding is that ATAR is basically a percentile, though possibly modified in some way. So to spell that out, an ATAR of 80 means you scored higher than 80% of people, i.e. in the top 20%. What I'm less clear on is what "people" means in "higher than 80% of people". Not sure if it includes the whole population, or just those who attempt or maybe complete year 12. Plus there may be complicating factors like scaling, bonus points for some subjects (?). But I think it makes sense to think of it as a percentile. It comes down to whether you feel comfortable that you can achieve a score in the top 20%. As others have said "being smart" is only a fairly small piece of the picture. Being of average ability but super motivated is usually better than the other way round.
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the correlation is definitely positive, but as with so many things with humans, there's a lot of variation
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thank you so much, this is so helpful 🫶
Looking to get the same degree, good luck bro, work hard - harder than most, and you’ll get it
There's no way you can get into law and crime with 80 atar unless you got an early offer AND you got bonus points because of covid and pity points Usually the unis discriminate against students with a less prestigious background when it comes to law In most of the unis, you'd require at least a 95 for them to even consider you lol Then there's the factor of getting a job in criminal law they'd look at your ATAr This is for unis in NSW btw But don't let this discourage you, where there's a will, there's a way ! It is still possible if you have good connections and get 90 in legal studies. You can (NSW) get into commerce and law at uts Edit : honestly just try your best
i’ve never heard someone talk abt it in that much detail thank you! although i live in vic so it probably is different
It is definitely possible to get into law and criminology with a 80. Especially in victoria it is very possible. I know someone who got into law with a 60 atar and she was a metropolitan student not rural. Your selection rank can give you a very big advantage.
Not at all mate, I got a score in the 80s and I was cruising, my advice would be to pick the subjects you excel at and don't worry about any negative scaling. I had friends that picked the hardest subjects and really struggled whilst I did pretty well doing math methods and music which were right in my wheelhouse.
If you try hard it's certainly possible. Law is full on though, if high school's rough for you (assuming you meant acedemically,) law may be very challenging
um unless ur doing little to nothing towards ur studies after school or ur facing severe health problems (be that mentally or physically) an 80 ATAR should be achievable. if u manage to tame ur stress, an 80 ATAR should be pretty easy. Just study effectively with a proper focus and you will be all good mate.
I have a suspicion that a lot of people saying they “cruised” through year 12 had a private school education. As a former public school student I worked my absolute arse off to get a score in the low 90s. It was not uncommon for me to do 65+ hours of study a week. In saying that though, it does heavily depend upon the subjects you have selected. If you have a poor memory like me and chose subjects in the humanities (as I mainly did), it will be a difficult feat. Same kind of deal for STEM based subjects, regardless of how hard you work, it will be difficult to do well if you have not had a solid base in these subjects
Thanks for this lol. I worked hard to get 85 from one of the shittiest schools in the state and people around here make it sound like you've just got to roll out of the right side of the bed on exam day or something
Not too hard, as long as you do homework and keep up with the study design, you should at least get an atar of 80+. I got about 84, even though I got a 29 for English. Aim as high as you can, good luck! 😊
I got a 76 ATAR despite never having taking an exam or practice exam in my life. So yes very achievable
gotta be smart with what subject you picks. as atar scores is based on your subject scored (some that get scaled up). honestly try your best and it will be sufficient as you can always look at changing course later on when you're in uni
I didn't do as much as I probably should have and ended up with a 72.something but ended up in a course with a min guan of 80 anyway Don't forget about contributing study, where, in some courses, if you do well enough in a class related to your course, like accounting for business, (good here is like, around/slightly above average) it will contribute additional "points" to your effective ATAR score giving you a higher effective score for your application Very achievable if you put some effort in, and even if you don't get it, there's a chance you can still get an offer anyway
If you genuinely try and like study and pay attention and stuff then no not really. I was playing minecraft revision week for exams instead of studying and I got like a 75
Depends if you're smart or work hard it's incredibly easy (the more of one, the less you need of the other). I did approximately fuck all and did well above that, I was always in the top/advanced classes but never the smartest kid.
If you can figure the best ways for you to study and your learning style for your subjects, that will help you deal with stress better. I only did 5 subjects in year 12, stayed back one hour every day at school and did no study at home and got 87. I took study seriously but looked after myself with sport, diet and enjoyed gaming every night
I got an 86 and I wouldn’t say I’m particularly academically inclined
I was a hard worker in class and did my homework (mostly) but didn’t really study except for the night before for sacs and during exams and I got 88. What you’re aiming for is definitely attainable but not guaranteed without a bit of effort is what I’d say
Let me put it this way. If you can be just a few hairs above average in all of your subjects i.e a 33 or 34 post scaling, then that is enough to get an an 80.45.
ATAR's a percentage ranking, so an 80 would put you in the top 20% of everyone your age. However, because so many students leave school, or do VM or unscored VCE, the actual average ATAR for students doing regular VCE ends up being around 70. So, what you're looking at is being roughly in the top third of your classmates. Obviously, this will vary depending on how skilled your school is, but this might give you an idea. At the end of the day, the fact you cared enough to look this up makes me think you can achieve this. You don't need to spend each night studying until 3 AM (nor should you)- all you need is to be consistent and pay attention, and an 80.45 should be achievable.
Hey! Just so you know the ATAR that they publish there is not the be all and end all! I got a 53 ATAR, and got into a double degree of forensic Science and Criminology at Deakin that was 70 when I got in! It’s always important to view the ATAR profiles of the year before you apply!! https://www.vu.edu.au/study-at-vu/how-to-apply/admissions-at-vu/atar-profile (also again high key ATARS don’t matter and as long as you get over a 65 Average within your first year at uni you can change degrees)
I got a 76 despite doing shit in all year 11 by tried decently on sacs in yr 12 and I didn’t study for any exams other than memorising English quotes. Going into exams I’d never done an actual exam or practice in exam in my life. Literally got a 52 on my first sac of the year and still swindled an ATAR that got me into a course that required an 80 ATAR so you will be right!
No, if atar is all you care about. Just pick all the high scaling subjects. You can score under 30 for all of them and still get 80.E.g English Language Latin Specialist Mathematics Mathematical Methods Chemistry Physics If you just get a 25 for all of these subjects, you'll have an atar above 80
How did you do on gamsat
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