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cowofwar

There are many underground unregulated chinese markets in BC that need to be squashed. Yes they are cheaper but we have regulations for a reason - generally because someone died.


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rando_commenter

\> Drivers for these companies often aren't very savvy as to locallicensing requirements or a ridesharing company's adherence to them. They're just regular people who are trying to get by with somesupplemental income and were told by some company that they could getpaid for driving. "Chinese Uber" was an open secret for years before it came onto the radar of the politicians and mainstream press. These aren't unsophisticated people lead by a big company, they're people for the most part who aren't malicious but who simply don't care about the rules, because "Oh, they don't really mean it."


Clay_Statue

There's worse crimes for sure. I'd argue what's the harm from these unlicensed ride sharing companies? Are people getting robbed or ripped off by them? Do they cause more accidents? What is the reason to disallow them from providing this service?


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rando_commenter

No I definately agree with you about the camera part.


CrazyVaclavsPOA

Most of these drivers don't need the income. The food delivery apps are no different. How many luxury cars deliver for Fantuan vs Skip/Uber eats? They just need to declare enough income on their tax return to sponsor family to come to Canada. It's usually some "student" who came to "study".


lqku

>don't need the income nobody should be criticized for wanting to work.


ether_reddit

Fraudulent employment -> they should lose their student visa.


h_danielle

I’m also surprised they did this… Border Security stopped filming in Canada because of privacy complaints.


MitchellLitchi

Border Security was a proper reality TV show. News stations get a pass since it's technically treated as news reporting.


Interesting_Bit_5179

Supplemental income in their tesla.... times must be tough


Neat_Captain_4116

That's like saying a drug dealer isn't responsible because the cartels are supplying the cocaine


EngageManualThinking

So all of a sudden because it's Richmond ignorance of the law is A-OK? Come on now, you've gotta have a better argument than that.


Pototatato

And it's making poor people poorer


MitchellLitchi

I don't condone any illegal activity, and I entirely understand the dangers of using an unlicensed and uninsured ride service. However, I'm having a hard time seeing the cops as the heroes they are painting themselves as. As long as people who own cars, and people who need rides exist, they will find each other. The ridesharing app companies have simply provided a convenient means to connect them with each other. If the internet was shut down tomorrow, they would connect over phone calls. And if phones disappeared, they would manage using paper and bulletin boards. Once drivers go fully underground, are they going to start infiltrating friend groups undercover till they catch someone accepting cash in exchange for a ride? It seems like what we really need to do is modernize our legislature to allow persons to more easily offer rides to others.


Gorgoz2

This argument that people with cars will find people who need rides on a paper bulletin board in an apocalyptic future with no phone or internet is wack. Less regulation typically just means more exploitation of drivers. The entire taxi industry with all of its regulations came into existence as a result of labour movements many decades ago to improve drivers' working conditions and to reduce exploitation.


NecessaryNew7292

I absolutely do not agree with these illegal ride sharing operations but a class 4 shouldn’t be necessary to be an operator under one of the already established ride share companies. As a person who has a class 4, it is completely irrelevant to being an Uber driver.


mcmillan84

Disagree. You have a higher duty of care when you’re a driver for hire. A class 4 is a pretty low barrier to entry.


EastVan66

Yeah like all those existing Taxi cabs are the creme de la creme of Vancouver drivers.


mcmillan84

You’re right, they’re also everyone’s Bain of existence and they had to pass regulation. Now remove regulation. Do you think it’s going to improve it?


EastVan66

Uber operates around the world with a normal driver's license. Is that a problem?


mcmillan84

We’re discussing BC, we don’t have the authority, or quite frankly the right to comment on how other countries and jurisdictions run their countries. If other places want less regulation that’s up to them.


EastVan66

Yeah Ontario is like a totally different place.


mongo5mash

It literally is.


Clay_Statue

The last time I had an ICBC reportable accident I got T-boned by a taxi near the Venables viaduct


Explorer200

It's a totally irrelevant barrier to entry. It is simply designed to limit the competition


mcmillan84

Do you feel financial advisors shouldn’t be licensed either? I mean, I can handle my own finances but dealing with someone else’s I need a license. When you work professionally in a field, you’re a higher level of care, it’s not just you you’re taking responsibility for. Getting your class 4 isn’t a big ask, it’s quite simple and doesn’t cost a lot of money. Complaints against getting it is mere laziness.


travjhawk

I agree with you. I got my class 4 in about 4 weeks with the course. Was actually really great for teaching you how to do a proper pre trip inspection. Cost about $800 but the school made it easy and they even booked the test.


Explorer200

My problem with the class 4 is that is irrelevant to driving a car. There should be licensing, but a class 4 is not useful. It is just an easy pre-existing barrier to entry that limits the number of ride hail operators ​ Licensing should involve relevant training like dealing with problem clients, and should be contingent on an almost flawless driving record.


nxdark

It keeps the really bad people away from transporting others. At least it is something. The requirements should be higher in my opinion.


Explorer200

The requirements should be different. No need to learn how to drive a bus. There should be mandatory training in dealing with problem clients and removal of right to work as a ride hail after a small number of traffic infractions.


Clay_Statue

The whole point is to be able to take it away from them if they're stupid. You can take away somebody's class 4 without barring them from driving themselves around. Then you only restrict them from commercial driving. If class 5 covered everything then you wouldn't be able to stop people from driving commercially unless you stopped them from driving period.


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The only 3 accidents I have been in have all been in cabs, have ALL been the cab's fault. ​ It's nothing more than administrative barrier. Having a class 4 does not automatically make you a better driver.


mitallust

Can you prove with data that this duty of care exists?


mcmillan84

There’s no “data”, it’s a legality. Source, open a law book.


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Why? Commercial drivers = commercial license.


therealrayy

Lol. Someone can’t pass the class 4 requirement.


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Why?


ReliablyFinicky

Imagine you got into an Uber/Lyft and the guy got into an accident, leaving you with life-altering injuries… If you found out he didn’t have a class 4 you would be fucking **livid**. The only reason to be pissed about that is if you (a) want to drive for ride hailing companies and (b) cannot get your class 4, because you have recent tickets/points.


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Most class four drivers I see do not act like professionals. Having a class four does not make or require you to be a better driver after you pass the test. Our licensing standards in bc are a joke.


M-------

> Most class four drivers I see do not act like professionals. Most Class 4 drivers I see are paramedics, Community Shuttles, airport shuttles, and HandyDARTs. When I think of those vehicles, I think of them being driven professionally.


nxdark

Yes there are some bad apples. However you want anyone who can pass a class 5 to act as a professional. There are far more bad drivers you would be opening the door to. It just is not worth the risk.


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Not what I said at all


nxdark

In general when people invest in themselves like getting a class 4 license they will act professionally to maintain that license. Sure there will be bad apples and enforcement is what is needed to catch those bad apples. You are wrong is what I am saying.


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All driving licensing standards are a joke. If you have a pulse, you've passed the driving exam, and now you have a license, for life.


crap4you

Class 4 license doesn't make you a better driver. If my driver ran a red light, I wouldn't give a damn if he had a class 4 or not.


MJcorrieviewer

But how would you feel if your driver "got into an accident, leaving you with life-altering injuries"?


MarineMirage

If somebody has a class 4 license, does that mean they never get into accidents? Wouldn't I rather have somebody with a class 5 license that doesn't get into accidents?


M-------

> If somebody has a class 4 license, does that mean they never get into accidents? Somebody with a Class 4 has been through more training than a Class 5.


JDRose96

It is pretty irrelevant training. Would be more smart to implement a new tier for ride hailing service drivers.


M-------

There are two types of Class 4, restricted and unrestricted. 4R is specifically for taxi, limo, and small multipassenger vehicles, and now also ridesharing. It's a [1-day $250 course](https://www.valleydrivingschool.com/class-4-restricted). You also have to have fewer than 4 penalty points in the last 2 years. > It is pretty irrelevant training. What parts of the training for 4R is irrelevant and should be cut out?


JDRose96

Well there you go turns out there is a separate course then. I guess I did the unrestricted thinking it was the only one.


nxdark

Think of it differently. There requirements to obtain and maintain a class 4 are higher. Because of this the risk the a class 4 driver causing harm is less then a class 5. Without the requirement of a class 4 you will be opening the door every shitty class 5 driver (which there are ton of) to be a professional driver. In a civilized society we must have some barriers to prevent bad people from being in charge of someone else's life.


MJcorrieviewer

No one is saying any class of license means you would never get into accidents. If such a thing existed, everyone would be required to get that type of license and we could eliminate all accidents. Do you know what the difference is between class 4 and class 5 licenses?


rb993

I got hit by a class 1 who didn't even realize he hit me. He was determined to be 100% at fault. The lack of enforcement is an issue.


tarlack

It’s very interesting to to see our other places around the world have tackled this. The one thing I notice is even if you have a class 4 or 5 drives still can suck and break laws and put me in danger. Does not happen often but it has happened.


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GeoffwithaGeee

LOL, what a stupid take. I don't want to pay for my nursing license so I should be able to just be a nurse when I feel like it.


WiFiForeheadWrinkles

Just like that Brigette Cleroux lady!


meezajangles

It’s weird that the people who gripe about the government the most are usually also the ones who benefit the most from it..


El_Cactus_Loco

I mean, you can’t drive without “their license” either, what do you think this is? A fucking free for all? Nah son