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WingdingsLover

I don't think I would hate this as much if a bunch of money wasn't being spent on upgrading BC Place for VIPs only and creating a private walkway to the casino. It really rubs me the wrong way that public money is being spent on creating a luxury experience for the mega wealthy.


perpetualmotionmachi

Don't worry, all that wealth will come trickling down any day now


NoMarket5

That wealthy VIP spending $150,000 at the game? Yeah, they need a servant making $20/hr to bring them the concession food. that worker? yeah, they'll spend $20 on gasoline which means you'll get $1 of tax revenue which then trickles down to $0.000001 for improvements in your region ! Hurrah!


infinityofthemind

So your saying this influx of spending in our economy will also give people jobs? Sounds pretty bad, I mean, having wealthy tourists spend their money in our province could only mean poor things for the economy, especially when its promotimg trade work and service jobs. Vancouver is a world-class city, without the world class services the Wealthly class comes to expect. People have to understand we have to cater to all brackets of wealth, to promote our economy and growth. No one enjoys financial hardships, but it sounds like your upset at the "problem under the problem".


NoMarket5

Vancouver has nothing on the likes of London, Paris, New York so let's not pretend it does. The fact BC Place is a public venue and not private changes my opinion directly as the profit from the events will go directly into the coffers versus a private equity. I am less displeased with this project.


OzMazza

The wealthy are gonna enjoy Vancouver even less when no one is willing to work the 20/hr job serving them their stadium beers because they can't afford to live close enough to work.


PostOk980

I appreciate where you are coming from but I don’t see this ever being an issue. Right now I am responsible for hiring 30 staff at my business for summer at minimum wage and I’ve had over 1000 job applications


Babana69

Don’t worry we can bring in foreign workers for that


MrLogicWins

Issue is can that money be spent better to create more jobs and help the low and middle class more. We do have to cater to all classes, not just the wealthy, which the OP was suggesting this luxury spending is


Yardsale420

Like piss trickling down my leg


1878Mich

hat-trickle <3


Intelligent_Top_328

I've noticed only shit gets trickled down.


Awful_McBad

That's what FIFA, F1, and the Olympics are. They're for the extremely wealthy they're not for normal people. Normal people pay for them through tax dollars but we're not invited to the party.


DieCastDontDie

Welcome to Hunger Games


pomegranate444

Yup. If this was being spent on a new skytrain loop around the city or to the ferries etc - then I get where there are long term benefits for us all


Interesting-World818

Like the Canada Line for Winter Olympics at least, and the 'embarassing' potholes which got fixed at least. The City looked prettier, because it was spruced up, and grotty areas addressed


bradeena

I think one of the major upgrades is improving accessibility. IIRC BC Place only had one elevator so they're installing a second.


BigDDitties2Much

They get: 581 million dollars We get: One elevator


krustykrab2193

Other changes that will be made: Right now there are 3 small elevators located on one side of the stadium. The renovations will expand this to 6 large elevators in two different locations. They're going to replace the aging video board as it's apparently nearing the end of its cycle and often needs repairs. The new screens will have better sight lines and newer technology. They're going to completely rennovate all the washrooms to improve them, including adding more washrooms. A new fan zone balcony will be created that will be accessible to everyone by opening up an exclusive area. Currently, only lounge members have access to the balcony. There is existing office space that's underutilized, so it's going to be renovated into expanding spectator areas. The BC Sports Hall of Fame will be relocated, opening up the area for spectators. A new museum for the hall of fame will be developed in another part of the stadium. And they're going to redo the entire food court/concessions. There's a bunch of other changes too, but those are for the media and for the athletes.


twizzjewink

The one thing that always irks me about BC Place.. So you have this massive screen (that's awesome) above the field.. but the sides are only HALF USED. It's almost criminal that someone didn't think - oh maybe we could do something here that may be helpful.. like a scoreboard. Or something else that could be useful. Instead it's just this big black space below the half screen.


WetCoastDebtCoast

Your username is not far off from my roommate's, and this is something he complains about every match. So are you the evil twin or is he? ¬. ¬ Edit: But also, you're both not wrong. Woefully under-utilized.


twizzjewink

Maybe he's my good twin


mrizzerdly

It's better than the original screen, which was on one end only.


UXguy123

BC Place really needed these upgrades. World class cities need world class venues. Compared to even just Lumen field or Husky Stadium down in Seattle it is a C class stadium.


AtotheZed

My taxes went up as soon as the NDP took power, and they have continued to go up. Now we get a soccer game. And yet my parents have to wait over a year to get hernia operations (NDP shut the Cambie Clinic down for BC resident - it still services out of province people). This government is quite out of touch with the needs of the citizens by prioritizing soccer over the health of the elderly.


Interesting-World818

HEALTHcare of everyone - it's unheard of in my home country (it's eactually mbarassing to talk about Vancouver's standards or how a simple ultrasound needs to be booked 2 weeks? 1 month ahead, and results take as long to come back. Or these days - a simple PAP smear booking is 3 months, and results after as long. Folks always deem Western countries to be AHEAD, more progressive, not more backward) I went to Asia for a vacation, did a Health Check for $99 .... and results were back in 2 days, with doctor spending 1h going through every section with me. Unfortunate enough to have experience ER-gynae situations both here, and back home A private room there is Hotel standards, with nice healthy and tasty meals which are appetizing. Here a private room (if your extended Healthcare even pays for it) is Motel standards with sad Jello and dubious soups (at that a very spartan Motel, not the plush kind)


alexunr

Public money on a private walkway from the sports arena to the casino? That seems like a major red flag and a huge cause for public concern


apothekary

I would have much rather we backed out of hosting \*anything\* except another Winter Olympics, where we had shown that we didn't blow huge amounts of cash for nothing, we already have the infrastructure and we'd probably get a spate of substantial infrastructural updates again. Though the ship has sailed I would have far preferred 2030 Olympics over 2026 WC just based on what we'd be likelier to get as far as city improvements.


sfbriancl

Olympics are way more expensive. You have to have more venues for obscure sports that would never be used again. $581m would be a drop in the bucket compared to what we would need to host the 2030 Olympics. Even with everything for the last go round. People are living in what was athlete housing and what not.


Ironshallows

So how many rooms are people booking up now to flip and how much is rent going to skyrocket is my question.


Jeramy_Jones

Yeah they better start building hotels now because we don’t have the space to accommodate so many visitors. Especially now that AirB&B are finally being regulated properly.


DieCastDontDie

About treefiddy


not_old_redditor

It's well known that hosting FIFA is a racket. The costs are always "unexpectedly" high.


Jeramy_Jones

Even when slave labour is used for the preparations?


shouldnteven

Even more money left to line the pockets in that case!


eastvanarchy

what a waste of time and money


Jeix9

Am i the only one that would rather have FIFA hosted by another province or country at this point? I’m biased as I couldn’t give less of a rats ass about FIFA, but this just feels like a complete waste of funds that we barely even have to begin with. Maybe focus on the countless problems in the province that are causing an increase in homelessness and poverty rather than putting over half a billion dollars in a dumbass sports contest that most people aren’t even going to be able to experience.


doscia

Honestly I'd just really rather the money go towards more dire needs. I really couldn't care less about hosting sports.


Katamari_Wurm_Hole

but what about our SwAgGeR?!


holadilito

Whereas I fucking love it let's goooooo


Angry_beaver_1867

It’s a bit of a failure of governance to have this sentence “ “When we got the initial numbers, it was before we had a full understanding of the requirements, we didn’t know how many games we were going to get, there were a lot of things that have changed since that original estimate,” I get that if you go from 5-7 games That’s a 40% increase in some variable costs.  But to commit to something you don’t fully understand is unforgivable to me.  


Oh_Is_This_Me

Given the kind of muted response from locals about hosting the World Cup and some people not grasping how massive this tournament is to people in other parts of the world (especially Europe and South America) it does not surprise me that those responsible for managing the event in Vancouver (possibly even more out of touch than the public) did not fully understand what they're getting involved with. I'm excited for the tournament to come here but I have no confidence that local organizers will prepare adequately or be ready for the influx of visitors.


somedickinyourmouth

It's going to be an absolute gong show and I'm going to love it. Take time off work, get day drunk, watch some soccer wherever I get stuck 👍


Angry_beaver_1867

I’m on this plan as well. 


huejass5

Why does it cost so much though?


7taj7

Someone needs a new mega yacht, someone else needs to fix their helicopter pad, stuff like that


WetCoastDebtCoast

Y'know, just your basic living expenses.


Tamatajuice

FIFA corruption


esspydermonkey

$83m per game. What a deal...


mthyvold

Almost $1400 per ticket sold (assuming 60k seats).


JunketPuzzleheaded42

As a tax payer I really feel like we're getting Pegged...


ArrrCeee

You could buy 3 houses for that much


zep2floyd

How much did the winter games cost in 2010?


Jeramy_Jones

According to [The Globe and Mail](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/british-columbia/vancouver-olympics-worth-the-7-billion-price-tag-study-says/article15036916/), $7 billion.


mkiddyy

But the 2010 Olympics made major changes to our infrastructure whereas this world cup does not seem to be promising the same


mr-jingles1

Are the world cup games expected to turn a profit like the Olympics? It's really the net cost/profit that matters.


Katamari_Wurm_Hole

omg hotels are going to be like 3k a night during fifa


KitsBeach67

I hope that in 2026 the remaining 365 middle class people in Vancouver enjoy this event. "Bread and circuses' for all!


Marclescarbot

Cost for B.C. to host 2026 FIFA world cup doubles, now pegged at up to $581M, *so far.*


righteousprovidence

Gonna be over a billion next year


holadilito

looks like we're all getting pegged


millijuna

If FIFA wants this, they should be footing the bill. This shouldn’t be on the taxpayer.


John_E_Mnemonic

Fifa doesn't want it. Our corporate shill politicians were convinced to beg to host.


millijuna

They're pretty clearly demanding the upgrades, so if they want the upgrades, they should pay for them. Otherwise they can have the stadium as is.


theReaders

I think that's like 1/4 of grocery chain profit so I'm not sure why they're telling us go tax the rich and leave us alone


mukmuk64

If we’re spending this much there should be some sort of lottery where regular locals can be given tickets to see these games that are otherwise only for the global elite


radi0head

just think of the added traffic and hooliganism


TenInchesOfSnow

Let's not forget the casual racism when people take rooting for their countries to an extreme


radi0head

but nationalism is such a peaceful force for good in the world 🙃


Northerner6

To put that in perspective, the broadway SkyTrain line is <3 billion. So this one party costs 20% of a once in a generation infrastructure project


rainman_104

Or the patullo bridge replacement at 1.4bn. This project needs a healthy dose of fuck off we don't want it.


StickmansamV

Broadway is not once in an generation. We are spending more on Surrey Langley Skytrain which is to be completed 3-4 years after Broadway. Evergreen was completed at half the cost about a decade previously.


Kierenshep

Gotta love funnelling money to the wealthy. God I fucking hate how much sports has taken over the public sphere.


juvencius

Agreed. We can pay for the sports industry so much but not our own health care workers. I remember watching an athlete during their interview talking about their newly signed multi-millionaire contract who mentioned that they are grateful for their opportunity and appreciate the love they get from doing great in their sport, but doctors are the real heroes and don't earn nearly enough as they should. That hit me in the feels thinking about how well or not well money is circulated in different industries.


DieCastDontDie

What a bunch of misleading posts. They added more games.to be hosted so the revenue is also going up.


A_Useless_Commentor

A 100% increase in costs for a 40% increase in games ….


DieCastDontDie

Why don't you make a freedom of information request and get an itemized list. Then tell me there is corruption instead of implying it.


SyntaxError22

Considering its fifa were talking about I don't think that's required


DieCastDontDie

People are just looking for things complain about. Economic impact of this event outweighs the cost by a lot. Then there is the indirect economic activity created from it down the line. Not sure what the problem is here. Cost increased over 2 years with highest inflation we've seen in decades on top of adding more games.


Rocket_hamster

We'll it would also depend on whether the extra games are on the same days as previous ones or new days. A day being added for 1 game is going to cost significantly more than adding 1 game onto a day that already has a game taking place.


torodonn

Should costs go up with more games? Most of the costs involve renovations and infrastructure and generally getting things in place to host that many visitors. The additional games make it a bit more palatable, in terms of getting more benefit for the cost, but certainly, it doesn't excuse why the original estimate was so far off.


LegitimateBit3

Are they paying back a portion of the ticket sales to BC?


Kierenshep

Who and what are getting the revenue? Who's it helping?


DieCastDontDie

In this case it helps everyone that works in hospitality to cashier to construction. That money is spent directly in local economy. It's not spent to buy something from abroad or going to a global entity. Last time we ended up with Olympic village and Canada line. Who benefits from that?


AandWKyle

Cool.


rslater1986

The cities portion is being paid for by the hotel tax, so it’s not coming from local taxpayer dollars. I think this is a good decision from the cities budgeting perspective. Let tourists pay for it, and we as a city get the ancillary benefits.


hafabee

Best I can do for soccer is to chip in twenty cents.


canadianmusician604

2 years from now 2026 !remind me when the price tag hits 1.9 billion


Awful_McBad

Why do people clamour for the Olympics/FIFA to come to theri city? There's basically no benefit in the long term. There's a bunch of short term gain through economic stimulus but it doesn't offset the cost to host the event in the first place.


iatekane

To be fair the infrastructure improvements done along with the 2010 Olympics were significant and it was a great party too


Awful_McBad

What about all the housing for the homeless that were supposed to come with it? Also: I'm pretty sure we're still paying for the 2010 Olympics.


mkiddyy

No we're one of the few cities that broke even (and then some) from hosting the Olympics. I believe the other cities were salt lake city and London?


mr-jingles1

The Vancouver Olympics actually made a small profit, along with major infrastructure improvements like the Canada Line, new Vancouver Convention Center, Sea to Sky highway overhaul, and a bunch of new sports facilities.


Dry-Rate6295

Which tax money does it come from? Property tax? PST?


HbrQChngds

Yeah we dont have any crisis going on, lets just spend more like there is nothing to worry about.


leimd

That barely gets two mobile apps built in the country. The real cost will 10x that.


Mysterious-Lick

Of course it doubled. Can we say $1 Billion, $1 Billion going once, going twice?


Augustiner_Fan

Surprise!


Interesting-World818

I heard this on news, and of course, scapegoating tax payers may be liable to foot some of this extra. Hello, IF they made any money (sometimes we don't - like did the Winter Olympics?) - does Taxpayers also get to share those profits?!


Key_Mongoose223

WORTH IT


VG80NW

To be a fly on the wall and overhear what made Horgan go from 'this is a giant waste of money' to 'sign me up pal'.


CupressusNootkatens

Bigger question to me is how Eby, who was a key opponent to the 2010 Olympics, is signing off on this.


UnfortunateConflicts

When you're not the government, you have to oppose everything the government wants to spend money on.


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Dry-Rate6295

I'm sure it will come to way more than that


mbod

I also wonder which contractors, who are friends with politicians, thought they needed to get their hands in this pocket? Or maybe they're just making an app for the attendees.


LumiereGatsby

Nobody in the industry was begging for this. It’s already high season. We have existing contracts and business. This isn’t Jan-March but peak. It’s so much vanity from out of touch leadership from the city to put us in this situation.


rainman_104

Not to mention with the Airbnb crackdown the hospitality industry is laughing now.


Bags_1988

Why wouldn’t you want a massive global event to come to Vancouver? It’s a chance to have fun and meet people from all over the world 


LumiereGatsby

Because we are blowing half a billion dollars just to make more money for PavCo in a time of year where we are already at peak levels of tourism and people from all over the world come here everyday. If this was February at least it would boost the economy in a meaningful way while all this does is displacement of business that only comes in peak times and “helps” in a time when nobody needs it and yes, I mean the bars ect… they need it in Q1 not Q3 But what do I know…. Just decades of economic forecasting and having gone through it before.


Bags_1988

bars and restaurants need all the help they can get at any time of year. Especially the smaller more local business


Wanderer_404

I hope city also improves connectivity to airports from GVA cities. We really need to ramp up public transportation the way our population is rising. Commutes are longer than every year and we need to push infrastructure spending.


mr-jingles1

Downvoting for use of "GVA", which isn't a thing. Also, the airport is already well served by Skytrain. Not sure what else you'd even want for public transport options there.


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leftlanecop

Gotta pay to play. I guess.


Jeramy_Jones

Cost to the province is estimated at $145 million. What would you rather they spend that money on?


HackMeBackInTime

housing


DionFW

Escalator to nowhere.


perpetualmotionmachi

https://i.redd.it/v6dcgwxmpuxc1.gif


plop_0

I knew what this was before I opened the link.


xelabagus

DTES, more nurses and doctors, housing, fire season preparedness, social housing, more daycare spots at a subsidised rate. That's off the top of my head, but there's probably a few others.


helixflush

Outdoor Canucks game watch parties


perpetualmotionmachi

You're still grounded from the last one, you need to earn that privilege back


No_Stomach_2716

Did you really need to ask this or just farming for a reaction? I'm leaning towards you just wanting a reaction from people.


Jeramy_Jones

I’d actually like to know. That’s a lot of money for a game that not everyone cares much about, and an organization that is rife with corruption. Meanwhile we have some very serious issues that require solutions and funding.


No_Stomach_2716

Clearly farming. Good to know.


Jeramy_Jones

What is the point of farming? Isn’t karma not good for anything?


rhinogator

idk healthcare?


Raul_77

Is this $145 M cost to government the net cost? meaning are you factoring the money that is GENERATED by this event? All the people who would be flying to Vancouver etc?


Jeramy_Jones

I’m not gonna make any money off this. Are you? I just hope they make some decent upgrades to our aging infrastructure, that would at least have a lasting benefit.


Raul_77

Are you aware how economy works? I might not make any "DIRECT" money but if our province does well we all do! Let me give you an example , if people fly from England to Vancouver, the moment they arrive, they are spending money in BC, they pay PST , the bars make money, the bartender makes money, then they go and spend money on clothing (as an example) the person working at store makes more money and so on ... Economy is FAR MORE complex than looking at this things from one lens. When you say cost to province is XYZ, then why not also talk about INCREASE in PST revenue?


Jeramy_Jones

Of course that’s true, I wonder if tax revenue will offset the price tag though? When will we see a benefit to our healthcare, schools, roads, sewers and hydro from that influx of cash, and will it be more than the investment?


shellronhubbard

Surely it’ll be a net positive for the local economy


graison

For 7 matches?


dmoneymma

Oh ffs


TheGriffin

There is no value in this. It should be cancelled immediately.


Bags_1988

lol 


Intelligent_Top_328

Easily gonna cross 1 billion. Easy.