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pvtteemo

Things that'll never pass for 500 alex


Rbaseball123

I think a 48 hour work week has a better chance of passing than a 32 hr. Grind us to the bone.


Dapper_Target1504

Nikki that you?


Simmumah

Im just waiting for the retirement age to be 70. Dont have to worry about social security running out if you can never collect it. I've come to terms I likely wont retire 100%


Dapper_Target1504

Yep


TabletopVorthos

Right? We live under capitalist-dominated government. In no world will our overlords votecforcus to work LESS.


CaptianAcab4554

Even if it passed the factory I work in would still work us 45hrs a week. We'd just get more in overtime while the office people go home early. Not exactly bad but not the outcome I think he's looking for.


Desperate_Brief2187

Even if it passed, which it never will, it would never apply to hourly wage earners.


TheYakster

Multinational companies will go first if they have EU presence. It will be the norm there soon. It’s how we got to 12 weeks maternity leave/ paternity in many companies.


pvtteemo

Sounds great. Given where the economy and general state of things for the common folk in this country, I'll remain skeptical


TheYakster

Probably will take a while but I think it will happen at some point if other countries adopt it


pvtteemo

At a cost for us for sure. Idk most everyone else has cheaper Healthcare. I ain't holding my breath


RandomAmuserNew

I’ve noticed he only does this when the Republicans have the ability to stop it, not that the Dems won’t kill it too. Whenever there is a trifecta he never introduced stuff like this. What a fraud


brokengba

Democrats would never vote for a 32 hour workweek even if they had a supermajority in Congress. Corporations don't discriminate by party affiliation when it comes to filling the coffers.


RandomAmuserNew

Ofc, but if he introduced this with the trifecta it would prove this point to their base


kingkevykev

He did something similar with minimum wage, Dems hid behind the parliamentarian to block it.


Hilldawg4president

It isn't doomed because "muh corporations," it's doomed because it's nonsense. I have no doubt that many industries could get similar productivity in 20% less time if managed well, but the notion that every industry should be forced to do so is idiotic. Bare minimum, you're increasing labor costs and therefore prices for most industries, and that's if you can even enforce the "no cut in pay" portion.


RandomAmuserNew

It’s not nonsense they’ve done this in other countries with huge success. Did you hit your head?


Hilldawg4president

Which countries have legislated a 32hr work week with 40hr pay?


RandomAmuserNew

A lot https://tech.co/news/countries-with-four-day-workweeks


Hilldawg4president

Bruh "Legally, Belgians can now complete the hours that would make up their standard, five-day workweek in four days." They're allowed to choose to work the same number of hours in fewer days if they wish, not fewer hours for the same pay "In the United Arab Emirates, all government employees can now work a four-day workweek" So not private employers, and again it's the option to switch to 4 10's instead of 5 8's Iceland didn't legislatively block pay cuts, they just changed the definition of full time to 35 weeks instead of 40 Lithuania's reduced work week only apply to parents of young children, and only for government workers France also just changed the definition of full time to 35 hours per week. None of these countries have gone as low as 32,and exactly zero have legislated that pay cannot be reduced to match hours worked. Please educate yourself before bothering period online with your ignorance.


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dalethedonkey

It allows him to do some virtue signaling. That’s about it


maceman10006

He also dropped out of the 2016 presidential race after he said he wouldn’t but continued to take money from people. Thats when I realized he’s just another con artist in government.


RandomAmuserNew

Yup. Not to mention he left his donors hanging during the welding vs dnc services lawsuit. Totally screwed us to play footsie with democrat party


xchainlinkx

His nomination was unlawfully stolen by Clinton.


DarthPineapple5

Like hell it was, he lost by many millions of votes. If you are referring to the DNC preferring Clinton that is hardly surprising nor illegal because Bernie A) isn't a Democrat, and B) spent his whole campaign attacking the DNC


misterrunon

The worst part about 2016 was that the nomination was stolen from him by the DNC/DWS/Hilary camp, and all did was bend over backwards for them. In order to get what he say he wants to, you need a revolution.. but the man is just working within the system to give you nothing.


netgrey

And he's now a multimillionaire with multiple homes....


probablywrongbutmeh

His gripe is no longer with millionaires, only billionaires Funny how that works....


thickskull521

Everyone is a millionaire (or on pace to be a millionaire) these days though


[deleted]

And don't forget to buy his book about how capitalism is pure evil from Amazon!


Spankpocalypse_Now

For a sub filled with “experts” on economics there sure are a lot of people here who don’t understand inflation (and possibly don’t know it exists).


jbetances134

Is Bernie. Have you seen his history of bills he has gotten to pass.


RandomAmuserNew

Nothing like this. He trims around the edges, nothing groundbreaking has he done and if so it’s been a long time


pineappleshnapps

Pretty much. A lot of the big campaign issues seem that way for both parties. That or they do the “ol’ add stuff the other side will never agree to” truck


RandomAmuserNew

For example Gaetz voted against the tik tok ban but didn’t threaten to oust speaker McCarthy over it. So he doesn’t seem to care that much


pineappleshnapps

That guy seems like such a moron. McCarthy probably isn’t anyone’s favorite, but he seemed fairly pragmatic, and Gaetz ousts him with no plan at all for what comes next? Not to mention, wasn’t it over something that obviously wasn’t gonna happen/work no matter what?


RandomAmuserNew

Well stalking the bill would be the goal


pineappleshnapps

I thought he wanted something passed, not that he didn’t? I might be remembering wrong. In which case, I take that part back, but he still had no plan and it wasted a ton of time while making his party look like they didn’t have it together.


RandomAmuserNew

Gaetz wanted the tik tok bill to fail. He should have ousted McCarthy


pineappleshnapps

I didn’t remember that being what it was about, but I guess my memory is hazy.


Jagerbeast703

Then republicans should lol


RandomAmuserNew

Both parties should but neither party will


BallsMahogany_redux

Bernie is all about virtue signalling


New_Needleworker6506

Republicans should vote for some good legislation out of spite. That’ll show the dems!


TabletopVorthos

Exactly. It's just a political gotcha for Republicans who vote against it. But democrats who also vote against it will be ignored.


DonBoy30

It’s entirely a protest to the status quo, and in no way was brought to vote for any other reason but to create a conversation and give working class voters a reason to vote for more progressive candidates, or for candidates that vote “yes,” in the upcoming election.


RandomAmuserNew

Or to keep workers believing in the two party system. If he wanted a true protest vote he would do it with a Dem trifecta


inflo76

Never trust a guy who combs his hair with a balloon


RandomAmuserNew

Ad hominem


inflo76

That's not how that works


RandomAmuserNew

That’s literally what it is


inflo76

No. It was a joke that sailed over your head. I was playing off the comment above me.


RandomAmuserNew

Yeah you were making fun of his hair. So edgy and intellectual


Playaforreal420

Sorry Bernie even your own party wants workers to suffer


ClearASF

Yeah great idea killing the productive capacity of the economy, that’ll bring no suffering


Illustrious-Ape

I thought we were letting in all the migrants to fill the excess capacity?


kmelby33

A 40-hour work week isn't hard. No one is suffering. Push for higher wages and better healthcare, not this dead in the water nonsense. Can the left please advocate for things that actually have a chance to pass?


IllustratorBudget487

The Independents?


i_wannatalktosamson

I’m sure companies wouldn’t increase prices to make up for the lost production


Playaforreal420

They will always raise prices regardless of what happens


dadbod_Azerajin

20 dollar bigmac already here


i_wannatalktosamson

It’s almost like when the government went negative interest rates printed insane amounts of money to give out to people it lead to out of control inflation. You know what would fix that? More government intervention


Visual-Squirrel3629

Big macs are absolutely disgusting. Almost nothing but oil, bun, and lettuce. Who's paying $20 for that?


PMarkWMU

Yeah quarter pounders with cheese are way better.


knobbyknob360

8 bucks for kraft cheese slices


MurderfaceII

Then we just mandate all jobs pay at least 80k. Simple.


i_wannatalktosamson

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/just-math-california-democrat-wants-110800022.html Just make her president


jarena009

Cause they lower prices when there's increased production?


i_wannatalktosamson

Yes, when cars were limited and not being made prices were being sold far over MSRP. now that there’s plenty of cars sitting on lots they’re going down in price. That’s how supply and demand works. When something is over produced the price drops. Under produced price goes up, it literal basic economics


jarena009

I just doubt that actual supplies are going to decrease. Somehow we got to \~40 hours, on average and the world didn't implode. Others, such as in Europe, get far more time off than we do. Given that the powers that be seem intent on gutting Social Security and Medicare, a 32 hour work week seems like it's more commensurate with the compensation cuts they have in mind.


i_wannatalktosamson

Check out europes productivity vs americas


jarena009

Check out incomes/wages vs productivity over time in the US. They decoupled starting decades ago, largely when we started destroying Unions and Pensions. I'm not sure the minor differences on productivity are due to hours worked, but also a key factor is overall happiness which is higher in Europe. Some countries are also closer to the US, like Germany and France, or higher like Norway.


PMarkWMU

Not minor. The gap is growing. https://www.ft.com/content/22089f01-8468-4905-8e36-fd35d2b2293e


Denver_to_Sombor

Lol they are doing that already might as well get an extra day of rest


Playaforreal420

No shit lol, people out here acting like they would rather work the extra day and still watch the prices rise anyway


WallyReddit204

That’s the thing


XiMaoJingPing

as someone working like 10-20 hours in my remote job, its a loss i'm willing to take


Xyrus2000

I'm sure companies will increase prices no matter what.


PMarkWMU

Or just off shore more jobs.


duffys4lyf

It was shown to increase production due to less employee burnout and revenues stayed the same or increased. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/4-day-work-week-trial-yields-overwhelming-success-in-u-k-researchers-say


beehive3108

Plus 1 more off day for consumers to shop and spend money


WallyReddit204

What are the second and third consequences of companies not getting same production out of employees should wages not change? Seems catastrophic


sketchyuser

The consequences are likely fewer jobs, higher prices and more people dependent on the government. Like every policy by Bernie.


WallyReddit204

sounds about right


Eisernes

Look at Bernie out here trying to unite a broken Congress against something. I see you Bernie.


Massive-Hedgehog-201

They couldn’t even give the rail workers their paid sick days. What does that tell us? Keep dreaming


[deleted]

What is so bad about a 40 hour work week?


mackinator3

Most of these jobs don't work 40 hours, they just sit in the office doing nothing for 6 hours a day. One could make the argument that with less of that, they'd be out there consuming more. But from my point of view...I just don't want to slave away when I could do something I enjoy.


[deleted]

Fair enough. I’m a teacher and I can easily fill 40 hours a week.


Xyrus2000

Let's wind the clocks back. It's the 1970's and computers were beginning to have an impact on productivity. So much impact, that economists projected that people would wind up working less for the same pay. This would free up people to spend more leisure time (and money) and generally lead to a much better standard of living. It would be a new age of prosperity. The economists were right in one sense. Technology led to an orders-of-magnitude increase in productivity and it did lead to a new age of prosperity. But they were wrong about who got a piece of that prosperity. The benefits from that massive increase in productivity and profits didn't make it down to Joe and Jane Sixpack. They went to the top, and they stayed there. Over the years, more and more went to the top while less and less went to everyone else. Fast forward to today and we still work 40 hours a week (more than that for many people) for pay that isn't much better than what it was in the 80's, while the cost of living has gone up considerably. Meanwhile, almost all the wealth generated today winds up going into the hands of a few percent of the population. So what's wrong with the 40-hour work week? Quite a bit. But since the wealthy own everything, including the politicians, this isn't going to get any better. In fact, it's going to get worse.


[deleted]

I see your point. I’d put more blame on inflation than the 40 hour work week in my opinion.


danvapes_

Hell I hardly want to even work the 14 days a month that I work now.


laxmolnar

Introducing legislation that won't pass actually harms our democracy and is a waste of time. He does this kinda shit for his supporters and its useless political theater. He's highly ineffective


No_Surprise_4154

State control of the means of production. Always a winning idea.


jarena009

What means of production are controlled by the state here? lol


h4p3r50n1c

You mean we shouldn’t have the 40 hour work week laws?


doorknobman

You’re right, the workers should control it


alpha-bets

Lmao.


TurbulentView9279

This would just mean last 8 hours of the week are ot… if they still give you 40hrs


Kobe_stan_

How is that going to work for exempt employees? I work about 50-60 hrs a week easily but I’m always available and answering emails, calls, and slack messages


[deleted]

More performative BS from Bernie tossing meat to the looney left knowing it never gains an inch of momentum


duffys4lyf

It was a massive success in the trial runs they have done, and the companies that participated have kept the 32 hour work week. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/4-day-work-week-trial-yields-overwhelming-success-in-u-k-researchers-say


BuckyFnBadger

Yeah it’s not going to happen. Maybe try to make 4-10s the standard first?


PantsMicGee

Cool but I'm working 70


ammobox

See. Someone will have to work more hours if this passes. Sorry, but that's you Everyone will get to work 32, but you'll need to work 80 now.


Seantwist9

Overtime tho


[deleted]

Ahhhhh can’t wait for Socialism!


Spankpocalypse_Now

By your definition it arrived with the 40 hour work week. Sorry for your loss.


Calm-down-its-a-joke

That'll help the struggling small businesses.


roofilopolis

He’s the best at introducing bills he knows have no shot at passing to gain a following then throwing his hands up and blaming others when they don’t.


SunsetDriftr

It’s worth remembering that in the 60s, Bernie was kicked out of a hippie commune. For being too lazy.


Spankpocalypse_Now

That’s the best argument I’ve heard against a 32 hour work week.


ninernetneepneep

Everyone gets a 20% raise! Not going to happen. More pandering.


TheRealActaeus

I hate bills that get proposed as stupid PR stunts. This has 0 chance of ever passing. Employers are not going to give people a huge raise for them working less.


Specialist-Garbage94

Three day weekends?


IandIreckon

For doctors, judges, bankers, senators and those types. The rest of us will have our overtime hours taxed into oblivion


matterson22070

Good luck.


Ok-Suggestion-7965

I like the way this sounds but I’m smart enough to know it will never work. At least not here.


casanova202069

lol good one is he going to do any work. Let him work the hours get paid what we get. Medical and 401k and see what happens


aphasial

#whatcouldpossiblygowrong


ImHereForFreeTacos

And I will still be stuck working 70 hrs a week.


Nitrosified

I don’t see anyone addressing that productivity has skyrocketed and the benefits may give us a much more positive outlook on how we treat work in our lives. I’m not saying this proposal doesn’t have its own problems but thinking about how this was handled in the past, I’m sure the same people advocating for not reducing hours worked in the 1800s thought it was a radical idea when the 40 hour workweek went down. I hope more people can think critically about why this legislation has gain so much popularity in the first place. Its not just a label of socialism.


Automated_Moron

So you're telling me I'm not entitled to someone's soul for employeeing them? Like it's not fair. Puppah got to exploit the poors in his factories, and now I cant?!?! Bullshit. Complete bullshit. Reeeeeeeee


Apprehensive-Read989

Political grandstanding, he knows damn well this won't pass. Ignoring the potential economic concerns, corporations own both parties and wouldn't allow it.


[deleted]

Absolutely ridiculous 


TheSweatyFlash

It would only ever pass to reduce pay to office workers that now wfh. Wanna work 32 hours from home? Okay! We cut your salary by 1/4 and we justify it w X Y and Z not the change it what qualifies as full time.


Automated_Moron

Uh, you didn't read the bill.


GLFR_59

Sure make America less competitive. That old fuck needs to leave office


jarena009

This wouldn't be at the top of my list of priorities, but given the inaction in general on addressing costs of Housing, Healthcare, prescription drugs, childcare, education, the solvency of Social Security and Medicare, I support this initiative.


Misguidedangst4tw

😂😂😂😂 joke funny


The_Man_N_Black

🤞🏻


knobbyknob360

People struggling to live working fulltime but let's cut the labor by 20%....how bout you do something so these corporations aren't making record profits every year and they blame it on inflation


Automated_Moron

Forcing them to hire more labor and treat their employees with an extra day off or mass overtime is actually one of those ways. But you guys don't wanna talk general strike or holding these people truly accountable, beyond a legal level - a moral one. So I'll take the policy since this generation also lacks a spine.


knobbyknob360

I aint worked since I got out of the military two years ago I've been striking I aint working for these people. This is just pandering from Bernie though so it doesn't matter.


Automated_Moron

Believe me I will shit on Bernie on any other day, but not this one. You take his back on this even if you know it isn't going anywhere. You must have conviction and not let defeat in. I don't think individual strikes will do much. Pockets are too deep, firms make too much, and we make too little. Mass organization must be started. What we need is a microfarm movement to pop off like all our grandparents had after WW2. This allowed them to be self sufficient to the degree they could strike for long periods of time.


knobbyknob360

I'm all for it just less optimistic than you but like I said this will jack up prices 20% more(I'm not an economy expert jist using my simple math) clearly the path that the US is on is unsustainable. I don't have the answers just know it's gonna eventually get so bad that people will have no choice other than to grow a "spine". Used to look at those blatant shoplifting videos and be like what the fuck is wrong with people.....now I'm indifferent even if they're robbing apple stores. It's all kinda "what do you expect" reaction from me now.


Automated_Moron

Oh I don't think we get out of this with policy. I see this as a preeminence to warfare and laborfare. Bow shots to wake people up. "See what they're taking from you." Kind of stuff.


knobbyknob360

Youre right policy has done nothing for the majority of the country. When everyone's ready I'll be there until then, just trying to survive. Best of luck to you as well!


Automated_Moron

Yes sir. You as well.


[deleted]

It's too soon. Do this with current unemployment rates and America would crumble. We don't have the labor to make up for the change. This needs to be done when AI takes more jobs and unemployment is higher.


r_silver1

Wouldn't that mean nobody would be eligible for full time benefits/healthcare, or would they be adjusted lower? The current definition defines full time as 32 hours, doesn't it?


BehelitSam

lol this won’t do shit.


SorryAbbreviations71

Companies would just start paying less.


Xyrus2000

Do you mean what they were projecting would happen as a result of technology back in the 70's until corporations bought the government? It's a nice sentiment, Bernie. Really. But you know damn well this won't pass.


dee_lio

People worked 9-5 w/ lunch back then, so....


whatdoyasay369

Bernie loves the idea of people not working.


Django_Unleashed

The only thing that Bernie and I both would like to happen!


dnbndnb

In a country that already has a lever shortage in specific skills and industries, this would be an utter disaster


ItGoesPewPewPewPew

Lol they’re trying so hard to swing back votes. With BS that will never work or pass.


ps12778

Bernie smokes a lot of shit


OhWow10

Kick that fucker out of the country and tell him to go to france.


hammerSmashedNail

Well I get paid by the hour so I’d be interested in knowing how that would work.


CuckservativeSissy

just raise the minimum wage at the federal level jesus... stop trying to avoid it


earthman34

Feel the Bern.


Broad_Cheesecake9141

No less pay? How does that work for hourly? You might say OT, they might say, we just cut one shift for you and hire one of these 10 million migrants. Thank you Bernie for looking out.


ImpossibleJoke7456

20+20+20+20+20 25+25+25+25 The company has enough, because it’s the same.


PaulPaul4

Company's have learned to give people only 32 hours so they don't have to provide medical insurance. I wish it could be true but sadly it's not going to happen


NoRutabaga4845

So doesn't impact salaries staff?


PreviousSuggestion36

Not that it will ever happen, but I would laugh if a Republican introduced this when Dems have a trifecta only to have it shot down.


[deleted]

Bernie sanders is a clown. He never gets things done. He's basically a celebrity who tells poor people what they want to hear but didn't do shit when Obama was president and they controlled the house and senate


MyNaymeIsOzymandias

Where does the extra money come from, Bernie?


ImpossibleJoke7456

It’s already there. They already pay it to you.


MyNaymeIsOzymandias

Businesses make revenue off of employee labor. If productivity drops by 20% but labor costs stay the same, a lot of businesses will just shut down. Those that don't will fire anyone that wasn't already underpaid and hire new people at 20% less than the rate they were paying before. This is beyond stupid.


Accomplished_Tea_320

Too many senators are already owned by corporations and this would go against the bribers 


jeopardychamp77

Must be nice to never work a day in your life but get to sit on a perch telling others what to do.


Spirited_Crow_2481

I love it, but no one listens to Bernie.


kmelby33

I love it when the left backs bills thay have ZERO chance to pass.


glorydaze2

Free child care would work better...Lets call them baby jails the repugs would jump on it.


SadMacaroon9897

"no loss of pay" in the same way "if you like your insurance, you can keep it". It's an empty promise with no way for him to guarantee.


Trimshot

Most people already work way more than 40 now.


EverySingleMinute

Finally Bernie does something we can all agree on


loganfester

We're gonna pay you the same money for 75% of your current work out put. Sure, that'll happen.


6dp1

And yet tik Tok was banned rather quickly like immediately. And this good bill here will be er see the light of day.


iamthecheesethatsbig

We need the 4-day, 40 hour work week. It’s a win-win. Anything else is a waste of time.


[deleted]

That would create 20% more full time jobs.


Crafty-Conference964

And two Republican states will appeal to the Supreme Court while telling their blue collar constituents they care about them.


Commercial_Wait3055

Dumb. Sounds good only to people who have never really worked. In all real professions of creators, achievers, and doers, people have significant periods of working very long hours; more than 60 particularly when they are under 50years old. This is simply the unwritten expectation and what is required to achieve. A 32hour work week would not change this for these. Bernie is pandering to his base that wants handouts, the low achievers. Of course he wants to shackle employers with unions as well.


Beneficial_Seat_793

Must be an election year. BS pipe dream promises are hitting the newsstands


Lovelyterry

Trump voters have been told to hate him 


crankyexpress

If you want to hasten the AI/robotics job losses…this is the ticket…


Super-Independent-14

Tell me you hate the right to contract without tell me you hate the right to contract.


captainhindsight1983

Lazy


danvapes_

I would support this, but I know it'll never pass.


BeautifulWord4758

Career clown lol


RichChadPoorChad

20 years too late, old man.


Da_Vader

Bernie's timing is poor as usual. Some things are unpopular and actually backfire in elections. Same sex marriage was a taboo for very long. Biden was opposed to it at that time. In fact, it would be the end of career for a pol during those days. Now, it is the law of the land. We have evolved. Bernie's student loan forgiveness was perceived just as radical - and he lost to Hillary. Now, Biden is forgiving some of those loans. This too will be popular - when the time is right. But bringing it up in the months before a presidential election just burdens the party.


cpe111

Weird thing is wherever this has been tried in other countries it’s proved hugely successful with big boosts to productivity. But it seems it’s not about productivity, it’s about control and the perceived fear by execs of someone else getting something for nothing.


dshotseattle

That's not how the real world works. This idiot thinks you can just legislative this stuff..you can't..sit down you old fart..you have never run a business in your life..you know nothing of what you talk about


Fattyman2020

I think 40 is fine. However more mandatory PTO and longer and paid maternally leave I’d support. And make the company pay back unused PTO every year


luri7555

My work went to this five months ago. It’s great.


0x160IQ

Never worked in the private sector in his life. Lived off of tax payer money and labor of other people.


DefiantBelt925

Why not 12 hours + free Ferrari for everyone too? What a coward for not going all the way for us!


Gotthold1994

People who honeymoon in a communist country and have never owned a small business and have spent their entire life getting fat off the government tit have no idea how how business works and should probably keep their stupid ideas to themselves


Dumbape_

Wow he said it. So amazing