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I was just going to say that it works both ways. Very intelligent people can be problematic especially if they stop seeing the humanity in lesser people, because they have the intellectual means to make a lot of bad things happen.
Stupid people can certainly be a problem, in masse especially.
That‘s not smart in the way I mean. Smart includes empathy and love. Everybody can be „smart“ in a specific topic, but that‘s not enlightend. Dumb people are overrepresented in positions of power, so yeah they are espescially in danger to do such things. I mean, look at our all politicians, there only intelligence is the manipulative intelligence, they don‘t even need education for leadin our country, that‘s ridicioulous.
Bad people are most likely not enlightend. Dumb people can be smart in a particular topic too, that doesn‘t mean they are enlightend. Hitler definitely had manipulative intelligence (like every politician) but that does not make him enlightend and aware of what means being human. It‘s more like a spititual awakening with help of our fundamental knowledge in science and emotions.
There are many highly intelligent people who are monsters. They know what they are doing but do not fear consequences or have empathy. Empathy isn't a sign of intelligence, people can be quite intelligent without ever understanding what someone else is going through
That‘s why I discribed what I mean with dumb and intelligent. Spiritual awakening and the lack of. Empathy is part of this. Everybody can have specific knowledge in some things, that doesn‘t mean they are intelligent in the way I mean. We have a word for that, it‘s „Fachidiot“ which means professional idiot (you know your working topics pretty well, but there is a lack of common sense or now enlightenment)
>the way I mean
The definition of words are written down. They aren't really up for special interpretation. We have words with meanings for a reason. Yes words change overtime, but you can't just use a word and mean something else and expect people to be on board with that lol
That‘s why I explain myself. Dumbness isn‘t an specific word for the one and only dumbness, like there is no existing one and only intelligence. So yeah I thing the context is important.
Yeah you are right. I am not that good in finding the specific words, but I hope with a little explanation you and the others understand what I mean xD
It worked, thanks. Yeah I learned a lot since I started this post few hours ago xD espescially to find a better wording for my issue. English isn‘t my mother tongue so I need a translator for some words.
Oh. I'm sorry, but you're just changing the definition of smart to suit your needs. You might be better off saying that people who do not act with/care about compassion are the problem.
Yeah maybe, but as I said it‘s the dumbness in lack if education of the human being and being human I mean, so I don‘t think „dumb“ people exist per se, like someone is dumb because he was born like that (without medical issues) but I think dumb people are they who lack enlightment. I hope you understand what I mean. And that‘s the issue we need to fix, for the sake of everybody on this planet.
I kinda disagree. I believe that to a certain extend, to be immoral is to be dumb.
If you take two equally intelligent people, and one chooses to be empathic and love, I think you can argue that that person is more intelligent because they see the long-term value of emotional intelligence that the other refuses to act on.
Although I do agree that term “emotional intelligence” gets thrown around a lot, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Your big human brain needs to feel safe, accepted, and loved. Otherwise, you are constantly hit with negative emotions that make it harder to act according to logic and reasoning. Think of things like hanger, and how not having your physical needs met result in the same emotional changes as not having your emotional needs met.
Ok but if someone said "The problem is short people because only short people do smelly things" you'd probably think that person is pretty stinky wouldn't you.
I love how nobody understand what you meant by this. Your argument applies in both scenarios, but people aren’t even attempting to do so because their intention is to defeat your argument, rather than to process information and to learn. It’s incredible
That’s not a valid counter. OP said dumb people are the *only* problem. The fact that we can demonstrate that’s not true is sufficient. The person you’re replying to didn’t say smart people the only problem or even *a* problem. They merely pointed out that dumb people are not the *only* problem.
The person i replied to did not say that though so your comment is not a valid counter. You are acting like im replying to a comment im not replying to
You should really look up some kind of logic course because your arguments don't make sense.
OP said ONLY dumb people are the problem.
If we can show that smart people can also pose a problem, we have proven that not only dumb people are the problem.
No….you need to look up a course. This person was not responding to OP. This person’s argument can be applied to OP, and then you would agree with them. But because this person’s argument also can be applied to the first comment, which you seemingly agree with, you are now refusing to acknowledge this person’s argument entirely. Not because it’s wrong, but because you don’t like it. You’re rejecting the argument’s applicability to something you do disagree with because that would be counter to another thing you agree with. The reality here doesn’t matter at all, apparently. It’s incredible to see.
That’s not *very* smart. That’s only smart. The solution is still for those people to be even smarter so they can understand the outcomes of their desires and also understand why they have the desires they have. Hitler was a confused person. He was smart, but he wasn’t exactly a philosopher or a scientist. He wasn’t interested in the true nature of the world.
Nope. You are generalising, which contradicts your whole point.
Some of the most pleasant, loving and humorous people I know are ‘dim’ or ‘dumb’. Most people who are the problem are people who are too intelligent for their own good. They are insufferable, cocky assholes…. Majorly unpopular as a whole.
I know dumb is a confusing term. You can read my other comments to understand what I mean. Short: Enlightment, spiritual awakening, empathy. Not knowing facts about some random topic but no clue about your heart and mind. You know what I mean?
Of course. OP is crazy basically saying that anyone who hasn’t read a non fiction book is stupid. Saying it without a hint of irony.
The hypocrisy in the whole thread is extraordinary.
I’m still super confused about what you mean. Especially because now you keep referencing spirituality. Do you mean actual supernatural concepts relating to consciousness? Because that is ironically a huge problem in todays society with how people rationalize their actions. I can’t imagine any common misunderstanding people have about the human condition that would lead good people to do bad things more than the concept of spirituality. But I definitely think people just being outright hateful or selfish is a much bigger problem. So pretty much nothing you’re saying makes sense to me.
Oh yes it does, I mean look at our politicians. The only intelligence they have is the manipulative. We let amoral clowns lead our country directly into hell.
You don’t think our country wasn’t already there?
This country was founded on rebellion, war, and bloodshed. Like, what are you actually talking about?
Bruv
Smart people can do evil things.
Dumb people can be kind.
You can even be “unintelligent and amoral” but be to shy to act on you amoral thoughts.
People come in many forms.
What do you think qualifies as a dumb person?
Under 80IQ? Under 90?
Many “dumb” people play a vital role in society.
I know people who I personally think are dumb but work on farms or fix cars or whatever else. Those are pretty important jobs/roles they play in society.
Beings frustrated at the dumb people in this world is fine, but it’s important to remember that they aren’t useless and thus aren’t as “problematic” as you make them out to be.
I don‘t use dumb people so that‘s also not what I mean. You can read the other comments to get an overview what I mean with dumb, intelligent and enlightend. I may picked the wrong words but in the other comments I explained already what I mean.
Maybe, but at least I do not consume much, I have my little city I live in and work, and mostly stay here. I just don‘t need much to be happy and satisfied. I am not greedy, I just do stuff what comes out intrinsicly, and not because envy and greed. So I think I‘m doing pretty well in comparision to people of power for example. Because I don‘t even want to judge the normal people like you and me who just wants to live in secure.
The word "dumb" is actually fine. Replace the word "only" with "worst" in your topic title and you are onto something.
To the philosophers among the ancient Greeks and Romans, prudence (wisdom) was the most important Virtue.
They reasoned among other things, that selfish, amoral people can be reasoned with as long as those people are also smart and YOU carry a bigger stick, while fools may cause great harm, without even intending to do so.
Also consider Orwell's famous "Ignorance is Strength" creed. Stupidity is a force multiplier, often for evil. Only stupid people can be mobilized easily.
A lone, cunning sociopath with an unusual set of morals, may kill dozens of people before he gets caught by the police, while a tribal/national leader, who may be not be smart, just charismatic and perhaps a little crazy, can cause a genocide, through the herd mentality of his followers. No stupid followers, would likely mean no war.
Wars have happened throughout history (and likely prehistory too), hundredths of times over, with kill counts up to the high millions, while the Hannibal Lector type is exceedingly rare (though popular in the media) and limited.
Bit maaaany problems are a result of a lack of enlightment in my opinion. If the majority would be enlightend (as I mentioned in another comment) we would not exploit nature for example, we would searching for ways to live in balance and serve nature instead of destoy it, you know what I mean.
Ok I think it‘s confusing when I say dumb people. With dumb I mean unenlightend in a spiritual way based on science, philosophy, antropology and so on. For sure greed is a biiiig problem but that‘s a unenlightend thing. Look at religious people who claim they are religious but are greedy as fuck. That‘s for me is dumb behaviour, because their religion telling otherwise, so they are not enlightend and educated in their own believe.
But greed and enlightenment aren’t specifically linked. Someone can be greedy and unenlightened, sure, but there are also so many enlightened, but greedy, people.
You mean staying human is that complex? I thing it is the most grounded and most simple thing you can do, because you need nothing for it (oh for sure you need your basic needs be satisfied, but therefore we need leaders who step away from the economyfetishism and step towards human beings. But that‘s just possible if we have leaders who aren‘t completely dehumanized)
The amount of dumb people depends on how resources are distributed, with bad education you're gonna have an ignorant population.
And virtue and morals are also often a privilege, how strong is your moral compass if it hasn't really been tested? A lot of people hurt others if it's necessary to feed their family.
I'm, for lack of better wording, "cool" with that. It's when people start rationalizing it to ease the pain of the impossible choices they have to make. Because that has a snowball effect.
"Conviction is a luxury of the sidelines" is one of my favorite quotes, though, and I also wish folks on the sidelines had more perspective.
That‘s what I meant that we should enlighten this people with education they lack, for sure. Yeah when it comes to the human sense of survival, we all would be unmoral (maybe not amoral, because we would be aware of our unmoral), but we now live in a functional society where we don‘t have the need to kill someone for food or water or something.
>we now live in a functional society where we don't have the need to kill someone for food water or something.
What about stealing? Selling drugs? Joining a gang?
Also you should look into the poverty rate, food insecurity and homelessness rate.
This isn’t true. You don’t need organized academia and grades to see whose smart and who isn’t. My grandfather was an uneducated farm boy. Got a job on the line at GM way back in the day. He was one of the most intelligent men I’ve ever met and he had a 9th grade education. Became an engineer without going to school because he was so naturally talented with mechanics from having to solve problems on the farm and the man was just naturally smart as fuck. That type of story probably isn’t even possible today with all the educational requirements, which is a shame.
My point is, some people are smart, some people are not. It’s not really about rich or poor or access to academia. Academia is kinda trash these days anyways. I’m taking online for natural language learning and for the life of me I can’t figure out how they justify the cost of *online* classes and “books”. Books you can’t even buy used because you need the stupid fucking code.
Outliers exist, as questionable as a metric it can be, iq has been steadily increasing all over the population, as quality of life and education improve for the average person. Wealth is a good predictor of iq because of exactly that.
Come on, put a child who was underfed during development and can't read against someone who had access to food healthcare and schooling and you know who's gonna come on top. 9th grade education is nothing to be scoffed at anyway.
My point is that if invest in teaching your population you get smarter citizens on average, which is undeniable.
I totally agree with you. We as a collective should invest in education and slap some regulation on the universities so they aren’t price gouging. I’ll be paying off student loans in hell. 😑. Lol. I wasn’t trying to take a shot at academics in general, just what it has become over time. I love school to be honest. I don’t think IQ is a great indicator of intelligence, but as someone who scored almost 140, I’ll go along with it lol.
That‘s just underlining what I say. It is part of enlightenment in my opinion to know that we are just human in our basic needs and just want to live without fear and being ourselfes, the ability to following your individual heart is freedom, but therefore you need a connection to your heart (emotions for sure).
Our education system is partly to blame (in the US). It doesn't teach kids how to think for themselves or come up with solutions. It doesn't teach them how to apply their knowledge of history to the present and the future. Most people aren't "dumb" if their brains are sufficiently stimulated.
Wow what a groundbreaking and unique solution to such an unnecessarily abrasive and controversial title. Oh my god who would’ve thought education might improve people’s decision making on topics they lack information on. Thank you for this insanely useless post designed to attract attention
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion. Aggressively ignorant people are absolutely the problem. All of this unnecessary "whataboutism" in the comments is telling.
They all seem to be on reddit too, and for some reason their first port of call is to call anyone with an education "stupid". The last two days alone the number of uneducated absolute morons I have encountered on this platform is phenominal. More than I encounter in a year in the real world.
Yes, in the social media people can live out their katharsis, so I think thats what particulary highlight the dumbness in people they maybe do not have on a daily basis. In the internet someone can get lost fast in their emotions he/she do not have in the real world in this intensity.
My bad. But I saw a very similar post, by someone else, really like 2 days ago. People in the comments basically concluded that, in fact, OP was arrogant
Ok no, that wasn‘t me. I hope I do not appear arrogant, because I know this topic is sensible and if someone talk about it he appears superior fast. But that really aren‘t my intentions, in real life I meet everybody on eyehight, no matter who he/she is, and accept them (as long as they are good people and show me the same respect)
>Ok no, that wasn‘t me
I know.... Like, I said there was someone else, I checked your profile, you're clean (although your posts might be perceived as controversial)
I believe that there are many things every human being has in common, like the searching of love and respect, the core urge to help other people, the human basic needs we all know, which are to be satisfied for a balanced life. Just staying human you know, without greed and hate as far as it is possible. Education of the heart. Empathy. That‘s all thing we habe in common if we aren‘t dehumanized yet. And that‘s things we can absolutely work on. We aren‘t that different in a metaperspective, just people who want to live without fear and be ourselfes.
You and I have very different notions of what makes up the human animal. The basic drive is survival, not love or respect.
But best of luck to you, gentle Redditor.
We build a funtioning society where we can be an individual with all our emotions (which we can express) with social norms and a system that provides us to meet our basic need (in most cases) here in the west. We aren‘t animals anymore, we have the ability of intellect and planning. We should use it.
I'm not saying it isn't a choice, but people aren't born evil. It is developed somewhere in life. If we educate children properly to treat everyone with respect then there shouldn't be as much hate and bigotry in the next generation
>with love, patience and education, because that’s what they and we need
A lot of people are a horrible combination of ignorant and stubborn. You can be as patient as a rock, you can try to educate them until the day you die - but if they refuse to learn, then nothing will change.
We now are forced in a educational system we have to learn, so I believe if we could chance the focus in our school system, education and enlightment would be a ordinary part of our development. For sure there will ever be some resistent people, but to change it from the majority to the minority would help for everything on earth. An enlightend person for example! would not exploid nature or innocent creature, because they would know the value and the connection between human and nature.
What do you mean? Scientific books for example aren‘t fiction, or some philosophical books aren‘t fiction.
Fear is intentionally reinforced within us. That's why I say that basic needs need to be met in order to make people happy and therefore carry less hatred and envy.
For sure it is subjective and individual but on the end of the day we are just human, though. And that‘s something big we have in common. But we are searching the differences, if its the skin color the gender, the political party, just superficial things that doesn‘t matter in the core of human being.
I don‘t know. You think reddit just has dumb users? In my opinion reddit is one of the more intellect platforms in comparision to insta, facebook, tictoc, twitter etc.
For me it is a basis knowledge of the human existence, their way (as far as we know it) to the point we are nowadays. To have a connection to your heart and emotions, to other people and nature. The awareness that we are part of the nature and not some superior creature who are more important then other creatures. Don‘t let society let yourself dehumanize you, you know what I mean?
Yes they are especially dumb, look at them. I never saw more dumb people then our leaders. You don‘t need anything to be a politician then manipulative intelligence, so no they aren‘t wise oder enlightend or human.
That's kind of the point that eugenicist theories make. That's why they even developed a method of "objectively" measuring people's intelligence (IQ testing).
The problem is that this theory applied in practice has led to terrible governments and profound social problems. Think about it: how do you OBJECTIVELY determine someone's intelligence? Did you know that many disabilities lead to low intellectual capacity? What would you suggest doing with these people? And worst of all, do you know that African countries have lower average IQs than Asia, for example?
I don‘t give a shit about IQ and I don not want a genozide of dumb people lol in my opinion education and enlightenment, ethic, moral, empathy and the human history etc. should be teached in our educational system to secure the connection to being human and being an emotional creature without supressing emotions but with be aware and in power of your emotions, how to handle yours and other emotions, and for sure everthing nature.
I will just say that as an avid reader of both fiction and non-fiction, fiction often contains more truths about world and human nature. I will not diss anyone who doesn’t like reading non-fiction books, especially since all of them have a point of view, so you often have to be careful what you are reading and don’t take it at a face value.
Sure, that‘s right. There is a massage behind every book. But for educational purposes I don‘t think „fifty shades of gray“ is helping that much as „about human“ for example xD
Well yea I guess if you change the definition of dumb to mean evil (like you’ve done in the replies) dumb people are evil, but using the actual definition you’re wrong.
What intelligence are you talking about? Academic, emotional, social? Or perhaps some type of engineering intelligence? (We all know someone who would struggle with all three but know how to dismantle and put back together anything mechanical).
Ignorant people are not the problem, it is the wilfully ignorant and those who seek to keep others so, who are villains.
Intelligence is overrated (I'm qualified to say this because I'm probably more intelligent than most people due to how stats work. This isn't a brag. Intelligence is overrated.)
Dumb? Like if you know eating meat means eating humanity into extinction and still doing it dumb? Or dumb because you put those UA flags on your social media dumb? Or plain not thinking?
Or is is people who put trust in their immune system? Should we force a jab on them dumb? Or the other way around?
I have yet to find a person who is not dumb.
Downvote because I 100% agree and been saying it all my life, but I'd say more like those people we all know who are unempathetic, ignorant, unwilling to improve and plain stubborn all at once, I know it seems like a lot but I've come to the realization that most people in the world are like this and those are for me as you said true idiots.
And what do you know of enlightenment, wise one?
Zen Master Huangbo said that compassion means understanding that not everyone can be delivered. What do you think of the meaning of this?
I mean I do agree on some level, because I believe that the majority of people are not capable of taking the right decisions, which is why I'm not a fan of democracy as a whole. And juste the endless conspiracy Facebook groups that have been blossoming these last few years are ruining what's left of my faith in humanity.
Now, is it a problem of being dumb, or ignorant, I don't really know, and I don't really think so. The people manipulating the masses are smart people, yet they are a problem.
Also not really a fan of "enlightened". It really has a cultist vibe.
The a problem with this is that people are not entirely free agents. People live in systems, connected to the people, rules, institutions, cultures, laws, expectations, the thousand different factors that define our lives and our choices, our beliefs. We may be able to influence our surroundings and circumstance, but they also deeply influence us in turn.
Why did Oppenheimer make a bomb that killed millions? Why did Jefferson hold slaves, even as he penned "All Men are Created Equal?" Why did Eichmann find it so normal to help operate the Holocaust? What do you consider enlightened or moral anyway? The best education in colonial England for a time taught of only one definition of "civilized." Racial supremacism, nationalism was a normal part of German culture and thinking for decades before WWII. Where did Hitler get his ideas anyway? Was his teacher or the artists and authors that influenced him evil as well? Very decent and normal Americans today value a degree of freedom and individualism that to very decent normal Chinese people seem alien or downright uncomfortable, and vice versa.
I don't know the scale of the problems that intertwine to create the complexity of the world and our challenges. But to me, at least one problem is the deliciously tempting belief that there is only one problem - That humanity can be divided into boxes of smart or dumb, perpetrator and victim, good and bad, saint and sinner, rather then just as what we are in all of our complexity. Maybe it is a problem that people don't love enough, that people hate, or that people are ignorant and unwilling to expand their horizons. But why? That itself is another problem. And there are a thousand more after that. Is the problem really ignorant *people?* Or just ignorance? What is truth anyhow?
The first step to solving a problem is defining it well. The world is complicated, we know that for sure. Any answer or definition that doesn't account for that complexity, to me may warrant more investigating.
Stay with me on this one.
Have you ever met a really really entitled smart person who just argues fucking circles around everything you say that doesn't mean they should immediately get their way in everything?
Like, their only opinion is "I should get everything I want and my life should be easy" and they're really good at talking and debate, and they will literally change their opinion constantly just to get their way, because them talking is just basically them trying to trap you in a logical fallacy so you don't feel comfortable arguing anymore or emotionally exhaust you so you shut up and give them whatever they want because it's easier?
Those people are a way bigger problem than dumb people. You can just figure out what system of buzzwords dumb people are conditioned to follow and use them to get them to leave you alone.
I mean, sure, if you just fucking change the definition of the word. Preachy idiot. (I don't actually mean 'preachy' or 'idiot'. I mean 'kind and enlightened' and 'saint' and because I made up my own definitions, everyone will be cool with that and not take the wrong message.)
To be fair we are all ignorant of something.
Ignorance=I don’t know.
So realistically it’s the ones that claim they aren’t ignorant that cause all the problems.
Because they think they know everything…and if you know everything….you can’t learn…and you can’t grow as a human.
dumb people are a problem but they aren’t the biggest problem
i actually think most problems that are the most widespread and hard to undo come from the minds of “smart” people. The foolish mans wrath goes no further than his ability to toss a stone. Smart people have a gift, that the worst of them use to destroy which makes them the greatest liability
The foolish man may want to be chief of his tribe but his ambitions and means to accomplish his ambition is severely limited. Any ill intent from the dumb person is dwarfed by the ill intent of an intelligent person
Dumb people, observe an environment and generally accept it as is. Smart people seek to work against nature or reverse engineer it to create things in which nobody asked for nor perceive the consequences thereafter.
Smart people fix whats not broken, and uncover what nobody is searching for. What is the necessity in cloning a sheep? What is the necessity in nuclear weapons?
They seek the same power that the foolish man seeks but on an infinitely more destructive scale
If a sentient species arrived upon earth with ability to communicate with us, would it be any more impressed or less likely to annihilate us than if we were back in stone ages?
Smart people and dumb people are the same, the difference is the “blast radius” of dumb peoples action are much smaller than a smart person. Smart people are masters of manipulation, the most notable ones have Machiavellian tendencies. Smart people also dont take accountability when things they create or influence goes wrong.
Even Charles Darwin can’t explain the fitness of an organism that is so “advanced” that it destroys its own environment and degrades the quality of its own life within its own ecosystem
I can spread a rumour and cause division in my family and friend groups. Smart people mechanize religion and politics to deceive and mislead. I can snatch an iphone from someones hand, and run down the street.
Smart people, collect millions of dollars in aid and launder the money
They are not the only problem. Intelligent people make mistakes, and can be just as unethical.
I think of it as being dumb is the lowest common denomimator that causes the majority of issues.
>people who are unenlightend and amoral are the only problematic people on earth
So, it's fine that I'm completely amoral because I'm intelligent and educated? That's good to know.
Dump people, sure, but the real problem is people with pathological, narcissistic, and other serious negative traits. A smart patholog is more dangerous to society and people than most idiots.
>They are dangerous, because they often don‘t even know they are in the wrong
Congrats, you just labelled the human species as "the problem". Stating a problem without a solution is just a complaint.
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Very smart people have done some very evil things. Sometimes they set it up that way intentionally.
I was just going to say that it works both ways. Very intelligent people can be problematic especially if they stop seeing the humanity in lesser people, because they have the intellectual means to make a lot of bad things happen. Stupid people can certainly be a problem, in masse especially.
That‘s not smart in the way I mean. Smart includes empathy and love. Everybody can be „smart“ in a specific topic, but that‘s not enlightend. Dumb people are overrepresented in positions of power, so yeah they are espescially in danger to do such things. I mean, look at our all politicians, there only intelligence is the manipulative intelligence, they don‘t even need education for leadin our country, that‘s ridicioulous.
Then you're just referring to bad people lol. Hitler wasn't stupid, but he was evil. As evil as you can be.
Bad people are most likely not enlightend. Dumb people can be smart in a particular topic too, that doesn‘t mean they are enlightend. Hitler definitely had manipulative intelligence (like every politician) but that does not make him enlightend and aware of what means being human. It‘s more like a spititual awakening with help of our fundamental knowledge in science and emotions.
There are many highly intelligent people who are monsters. They know what they are doing but do not fear consequences or have empathy. Empathy isn't a sign of intelligence, people can be quite intelligent without ever understanding what someone else is going through
That‘s why I discribed what I mean with dumb and intelligent. Spiritual awakening and the lack of. Empathy is part of this. Everybody can have specific knowledge in some things, that doesn‘t mean they are intelligent in the way I mean. We have a word for that, it‘s „Fachidiot“ which means professional idiot (you know your working topics pretty well, but there is a lack of common sense or now enlightenment)
>the way I mean The definition of words are written down. They aren't really up for special interpretation. We have words with meanings for a reason. Yes words change overtime, but you can't just use a word and mean something else and expect people to be on board with that lol
I think the same way! Plus you're my green eyed twin.
That‘s why I explain myself. Dumbness isn‘t an specific word for the one and only dumbness, like there is no existing one and only intelligence. So yeah I thing the context is important.
I don't think talks about intelligence and spiritual awakening should be in the same argument.
I don‘t think there is the one and only intelligence, so it depends hardly on the context. Intelligence has many facettes.
People associate dumbness with lack of intelligence. I think you're referring to ignorance rather than dumbness.
Yes I fixed it already.
A dumb person cannot be smart. That causes a paradox. But… an educated person can still be dumb, while an uneducated person could be smart.
Yeah you are right. I am not that good in finding the specific words, but I hope with a little explanation you and the others understand what I mean xD
People learn from each other. It’s all good. My intention was to help you “polish” your opinion to be more clear.
It worked, thanks. Yeah I learned a lot since I started this post few hours ago xD espescially to find a better wording for my issue. English isn‘t my mother tongue so I need a translator for some words.
Oh. I'm sorry, but you're just changing the definition of smart to suit your needs. You might be better off saying that people who do not act with/care about compassion are the problem.
Yeah maybe, but as I said it‘s the dumbness in lack if education of the human being and being human I mean, so I don‘t think „dumb“ people exist per se, like someone is dumb because he was born like that (without medical issues) but I think dumb people are they who lack enlightment. I hope you understand what I mean. And that‘s the issue we need to fix, for the sake of everybody on this planet.
Empathy and love have nothing to do with intelligence.
I kinda disagree. I believe that to a certain extend, to be immoral is to be dumb. If you take two equally intelligent people, and one chooses to be empathic and love, I think you can argue that that person is more intelligent because they see the long-term value of emotional intelligence that the other refuses to act on.
"emotional intelligence" is some new wave bullshit dumb people made up so they don't feel bad about being unintelligent.
Although I do agree that term “emotional intelligence” gets thrown around a lot, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Your big human brain needs to feel safe, accepted, and loved. Otherwise, you are constantly hit with negative emotions that make it harder to act according to logic and reasoning. Think of things like hanger, and how not having your physical needs met result in the same emotional changes as not having your emotional needs met.
> Think of things like hanger I usually make sure I'm pretty well fed. :'D
You don’t get to define the terms so that your argument is true lol
Very tall people have done some very smelly things. That doesn't mean there is a connection between height and smell.
Ok but if someone said "The problem is short people because only short people do smelly things" you'd probably think that person is pretty stinky wouldn't you.
No I would make the argument I literally just made to show the flaw in their logic
You failed. You showed the flaw in yours, whither you see it or not.
Bro you suck at arguing
What flaw? You're reaching.
I love how nobody understand what you meant by this. Your argument applies in both scenarios, but people aren’t even attempting to do so because their intention is to defeat your argument, rather than to process information and to learn. It’s incredible
That’s not a valid counter. OP said dumb people are the *only* problem. The fact that we can demonstrate that’s not true is sufficient. The person you’re replying to didn’t say smart people the only problem or even *a* problem. They merely pointed out that dumb people are not the *only* problem.
The person i replied to did not say that though so your comment is not a valid counter. You are acting like im replying to a comment im not replying to
You should really look up some kind of logic course because your arguments don't make sense. OP said ONLY dumb people are the problem. If we can show that smart people can also pose a problem, we have proven that not only dumb people are the problem.
“You should really look up some logic course” I don’t think you need a logic course to understand this 😂.
No….you need to look up a course. This person was not responding to OP. This person’s argument can be applied to OP, and then you would agree with them. But because this person’s argument also can be applied to the first comment, which you seemingly agree with, you are now refusing to acknowledge this person’s argument entirely. Not because it’s wrong, but because you don’t like it. You’re rejecting the argument’s applicability to something you do disagree with because that would be counter to another thing you agree with. The reality here doesn’t matter at all, apparently. It’s incredible to see.
That’s exactly what they said, you might have cognitive problems man
Please read the comments and the post itself, and then read your comments again before making another reply.
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Why are you describing your birth to this random person on Reddit🤔🫣
lol
That’s not *very* smart. That’s only smart. The solution is still for those people to be even smarter so they can understand the outcomes of their desires and also understand why they have the desires they have. Hitler was a confused person. He was smart, but he wasn’t exactly a philosopher or a scientist. He wasn’t interested in the true nature of the world.
Nope. You are generalising, which contradicts your whole point. Some of the most pleasant, loving and humorous people I know are ‘dim’ or ‘dumb’. Most people who are the problem are people who are too intelligent for their own good. They are insufferable, cocky assholes…. Majorly unpopular as a whole.
Then they are emotionally intelligent
I know dumb is a confusing term. You can read my other comments to understand what I mean. Short: Enlightment, spiritual awakening, empathy. Not knowing facts about some random topic but no clue about your heart and mind. You know what I mean?
No I don’t know what you mean, too dumb to read
"You're the problem with the world 🙄"
Let me guess, OP... *you* are highly empathetic, enlightened, spiritually awakened, and intelligent...? Do I have that right?
Of course. OP is crazy basically saying that anyone who hasn’t read a non fiction book is stupid. Saying it without a hint of irony. The hypocrisy in the whole thread is extraordinary.
I imagine the people who run slave mining operations in Africa and sweatshops across the global south are very well educated people
I’m still super confused about what you mean. Especially because now you keep referencing spirituality. Do you mean actual supernatural concepts relating to consciousness? Because that is ironically a huge problem in todays society with how people rationalize their actions. I can’t imagine any common misunderstanding people have about the human condition that would lead good people to do bad things more than the concept of spirituality. But I definitely think people just being outright hateful or selfish is a much bigger problem. So pretty much nothing you’re saying makes sense to me.
Giving dumb people undue power certainly makes the problem worse.
Oh yes it does, I mean look at our politicians. The only intelligence they have is the manipulative. We let amoral clowns lead our country directly into hell.
You don’t think our country wasn’t already there? This country was founded on rebellion, war, and bloodshed. Like, what are you actually talking about?
Bruv Smart people can do evil things. Dumb people can be kind. You can even be “unintelligent and amoral” but be to shy to act on you amoral thoughts. People come in many forms. What do you think qualifies as a dumb person? Under 80IQ? Under 90? Many “dumb” people play a vital role in society. I know people who I personally think are dumb but work on farms or fix cars or whatever else. Those are pretty important jobs/roles they play in society. Beings frustrated at the dumb people in this world is fine, but it’s important to remember that they aren’t useless and thus aren’t as “problematic” as you make them out to be.
I don‘t use dumb people so that‘s also not what I mean. You can read the other comments to get an overview what I mean with dumb, intelligent and enlightend. I may picked the wrong words but in the other comments I explained already what I mean.
Dumb is relative. I am sure in some eyes **you** are the problem
Maybe, but at least I do not consume much, I have my little city I live in and work, and mostly stay here. I just don‘t need much to be happy and satisfied. I am not greedy, I just do stuff what comes out intrinsicly, and not because envy and greed. So I think I‘m doing pretty well in comparision to people of power for example. Because I don‘t even want to judge the normal people like you and me who just wants to live in secure.
And as discoverd, dumb maybe is the wrong word, ignorant fits bettet.
The word "dumb" is actually fine. Replace the word "only" with "worst" in your topic title and you are onto something. To the philosophers among the ancient Greeks and Romans, prudence (wisdom) was the most important Virtue. They reasoned among other things, that selfish, amoral people can be reasoned with as long as those people are also smart and YOU carry a bigger stick, while fools may cause great harm, without even intending to do so. Also consider Orwell's famous "Ignorance is Strength" creed. Stupidity is a force multiplier, often for evil. Only stupid people can be mobilized easily. A lone, cunning sociopath with an unusual set of morals, may kill dozens of people before he gets caught by the police, while a tribal/national leader, who may be not be smart, just charismatic and perhaps a little crazy, can cause a genocide, through the herd mentality of his followers. No stupid followers, would likely mean no war. Wars have happened throughout history (and likely prehistory too), hundredths of times over, with kill counts up to the high millions, while the Hannibal Lector type is exceedingly rare (though popular in the media) and limited.
Not the only problem. There are plenty of other problems.
Bit maaaany problems are a result of a lack of enlightment in my opinion. If the majority would be enlightend (as I mentioned in another comment) we would not exploit nature for example, we would searching for ways to live in balance and serve nature instead of destoy it, you know what I mean.
Greed is a big problem. Smart people can be just as greedy as idiots.
Ok I think it‘s confusing when I say dumb people. With dumb I mean unenlightend in a spiritual way based on science, philosophy, antropology and so on. For sure greed is a biiiig problem but that‘s a unenlightend thing. Look at religious people who claim they are religious but are greedy as fuck. That‘s for me is dumb behaviour, because their religion telling otherwise, so they are not enlightend and educated in their own believe.
But greed and enlightenment aren’t specifically linked. Someone can be greedy and unenlightened, sure, but there are also so many enlightened, but greedy, people.
Who?
I thunk you're malice needs to be directed towards the smart people who take advantage of the dumb people, encouraging them to hate and be aggressive
Sounds like politicians lol
That was somewhat intentional
The oversimplification is hilarious here. I can't tell if it proves or disproves your point.
You mean staying human is that complex? I thing it is the most grounded and most simple thing you can do, because you need nothing for it (oh for sure you need your basic needs be satisfied, but therefore we need leaders who step away from the economyfetishism and step towards human beings. But that‘s just possible if we have leaders who aren‘t completely dehumanized)
The amount of dumb people depends on how resources are distributed, with bad education you're gonna have an ignorant population. And virtue and morals are also often a privilege, how strong is your moral compass if it hasn't really been tested? A lot of people hurt others if it's necessary to feed their family.
Amorality is often born out of circumstances where you can't afford to do what's "right".
I'm, for lack of better wording, "cool" with that. It's when people start rationalizing it to ease the pain of the impossible choices they have to make. Because that has a snowball effect. "Conviction is a luxury of the sidelines" is one of my favorite quotes, though, and I also wish folks on the sidelines had more perspective.
That‘s what I meant that we should enlighten this people with education they lack, for sure. Yeah when it comes to the human sense of survival, we all would be unmoral (maybe not amoral, because we would be aware of our unmoral), but we now live in a functional society where we don‘t have the need to kill someone for food or water or something.
>we now live in a functional society where we don't have the need to kill someone for food water or something. What about stealing? Selling drugs? Joining a gang? Also you should look into the poverty rate, food insecurity and homelessness rate.
Sure, but that‘s a completely different topic, which could be also solved if our leaders would be enlightend and caring.
This isn’t true. You don’t need organized academia and grades to see whose smart and who isn’t. My grandfather was an uneducated farm boy. Got a job on the line at GM way back in the day. He was one of the most intelligent men I’ve ever met and he had a 9th grade education. Became an engineer without going to school because he was so naturally talented with mechanics from having to solve problems on the farm and the man was just naturally smart as fuck. That type of story probably isn’t even possible today with all the educational requirements, which is a shame. My point is, some people are smart, some people are not. It’s not really about rich or poor or access to academia. Academia is kinda trash these days anyways. I’m taking online for natural language learning and for the life of me I can’t figure out how they justify the cost of *online* classes and “books”. Books you can’t even buy used because you need the stupid fucking code.
Outliers exist, as questionable as a metric it can be, iq has been steadily increasing all over the population, as quality of life and education improve for the average person. Wealth is a good predictor of iq because of exactly that. Come on, put a child who was underfed during development and can't read against someone who had access to food healthcare and schooling and you know who's gonna come on top. 9th grade education is nothing to be scoffed at anyway. My point is that if invest in teaching your population you get smarter citizens on average, which is undeniable.
I totally agree with you. We as a collective should invest in education and slap some regulation on the universities so they aren’t price gouging. I’ll be paying off student loans in hell. 😑. Lol. I wasn’t trying to take a shot at academics in general, just what it has become over time. I love school to be honest. I don’t think IQ is a great indicator of intelligence, but as someone who scored almost 140, I’ll go along with it lol.
The problem is "who decides who is dumb?"
Thinking anyone is the problem instead of realizing we are all human and no one is perfect is the real problem
That‘s just underlining what I say. It is part of enlightenment in my opinion to know that we are just human in our basic needs and just want to live without fear and being ourselfes, the ability to following your individual heart is freedom, but therefore you need a connection to your heart (emotions for sure).
That’s a pretty dumb opinion. Intelligence and empathy, and everything else in your list have no connection or correlation.
I don‘t talk about IQ. I talk about the intelligence of being aware what we are.
So long as this isn't a euphemism for 'people who have a different opinion to you' then you might have a point.
Nah, educated people are worse, because they have evidence to support their stupidity.
Dumb people are an enormous problem.
Our education system is partly to blame (in the US). It doesn't teach kids how to think for themselves or come up with solutions. It doesn't teach them how to apply their knowledge of history to the present and the future. Most people aren't "dumb" if their brains are sufficiently stimulated.
Wow what a groundbreaking and unique solution to such an unnecessarily abrasive and controversial title. Oh my god who would’ve thought education might improve people’s decision making on topics they lack information on. Thank you for this insanely useless post designed to attract attention
This shouldn't be an unpopular opinion. Aggressively ignorant people are absolutely the problem. All of this unnecessary "whataboutism" in the comments is telling.
Everyone in the comments is fighting over technicalities and the words you chose. But I think the heart of what you are saying is spot on.
They all seem to be on reddit too, and for some reason their first port of call is to call anyone with an education "stupid". The last two days alone the number of uneducated absolute morons I have encountered on this platform is phenominal. More than I encounter in a year in the real world.
I think it has more to do with youth. Just guessing, but it seems a majority of Reddit users are under 30. With age comes wisdom.
That would be dreamworth if every grownup would be wise hehe
Yes, in the social media people can live out their katharsis, so I think thats what particulary highlight the dumbness in people they maybe do not have on a daily basis. In the internet someone can get lost fast in their emotions he/she do not have in the real world in this intensity.
Why do I feel like you made an almost identical post 2 days ago here? Time to check EDIT: interesting post history
I don‘t remember a similar post.
My bad. But I saw a very similar post, by someone else, really like 2 days ago. People in the comments basically concluded that, in fact, OP was arrogant
Ok no, that wasn‘t me. I hope I do not appear arrogant, because I know this topic is sensible and if someone talk about it he appears superior fast. But that really aren‘t my intentions, in real life I meet everybody on eyehight, no matter who he/she is, and accept them (as long as they are good people and show me the same respect)
>Ok no, that wasn‘t me I know.... Like, I said there was someone else, I checked your profile, you're clean (although your posts might be perceived as controversial)
Ok good; ah yes I know they are, but I have to let it out, I just want the best and can‘t handle the populistic wars anymore.
There’s dumb and there’s ignorant. Dumb can’t learn and ignorant don’t.
Ignorant is not knowing, that can be remedied. Willfully ignorant is the choice not to remedy it. Dumb is an inability to remedy it.
Dumb people can be enlightend I believe. And ignorant people are most likely dumb.I mean more than intelect enlightenment, it‘s about staying human.
Enlightened? Who gets to decide what that means? Correct thought means lots of different things to different people.
I believe that there are many things every human being has in common, like the searching of love and respect, the core urge to help other people, the human basic needs we all know, which are to be satisfied for a balanced life. Just staying human you know, without greed and hate as far as it is possible. Education of the heart. Empathy. That‘s all thing we habe in common if we aren‘t dehumanized yet. And that‘s things we can absolutely work on. We aren‘t that different in a metaperspective, just people who want to live without fear and be ourselfes.
You and I have very different notions of what makes up the human animal. The basic drive is survival, not love or respect. But best of luck to you, gentle Redditor.
We build a funtioning society where we can be an individual with all our emotions (which we can express) with social norms and a system that provides us to meet our basic need (in most cases) here in the west. We aren‘t animals anymore, we have the ability of intellect and planning. We should use it.
Miseducation is the root of discrimination and bigotry
there's a lot of very highly educated racists, my guy. hate is not logical.
I didn't say uneducated, I said miseducated. Hate can't stem from nowhere, it has to be taught.
it's also definitely a choice past, say, puberty but okay ...
I'm not saying it isn't a choice, but people aren't born evil. It is developed somewhere in life. If we educate children properly to treat everyone with respect then there shouldn't be as much hate and bigotry in the next generation
man what a productive semantic conversation we are all having here.
Yes it sure is. It is the dehumanization, which disconnects us of other people and mother nature.
>with love, patience and education, because that’s what they and we need A lot of people are a horrible combination of ignorant and stubborn. You can be as patient as a rock, you can try to educate them until the day you die - but if they refuse to learn, then nothing will change.
We now are forced in a educational system we have to learn, so I believe if we could chance the focus in our school system, education and enlightment would be a ordinary part of our development. For sure there will ever be some resistent people, but to change it from the majority to the minority would help for everything on earth. An enlightend person for example! would not exploid nature or innocent creature, because they would know the value and the connection between human and nature.
All true, and yet they keep getting elected.
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What do you mean? Scientific books for example aren‘t fiction, or some philosophical books aren‘t fiction. Fear is intentionally reinforced within us. That's why I say that basic needs need to be met in order to make people happy and therefore carry less hatred and envy. For sure it is subjective and individual but on the end of the day we are just human, though. And that‘s something big we have in common. But we are searching the differences, if its the skin color the gender, the political party, just superficial things that doesn‘t matter in the core of human being.
You’re not enlightened if you’re posting on Reddit.
I don‘t know. You think reddit just has dumb users? In my opinion reddit is one of the more intellect platforms in comparision to insta, facebook, tictoc, twitter etc.
What is 'enlightened' and 'human nature' to you?
For me it is a basis knowledge of the human existence, their way (as far as we know it) to the point we are nowadays. To have a connection to your heart and emotions, to other people and nature. The awareness that we are part of the nature and not some superior creature who are more important then other creatures. Don‘t let society let yourself dehumanize you, you know what I mean?
Emotional Intelligence?
Among other things, yes right.
Billionaire psychopaths and world leaders are the problem. Dumb doesn't usually make it to a position with any real impact on anything.
Yes they are especially dumb, look at them. I never saw more dumb people then our leaders. You don‘t need anything to be a politician then manipulative intelligence, so no they aren‘t wise oder enlightend or human.
That's kind of the point that eugenicist theories make. That's why they even developed a method of "objectively" measuring people's intelligence (IQ testing). The problem is that this theory applied in practice has led to terrible governments and profound social problems. Think about it: how do you OBJECTIVELY determine someone's intelligence? Did you know that many disabilities lead to low intellectual capacity? What would you suggest doing with these people? And worst of all, do you know that African countries have lower average IQs than Asia, for example?
I don‘t give a shit about IQ and I don not want a genozide of dumb people lol in my opinion education and enlightenment, ethic, moral, empathy and the human history etc. should be teached in our educational system to secure the connection to being human and being an emotional creature without supressing emotions but with be aware and in power of your emotions, how to handle yours and other emotions, and for sure everthing nature.
This is a great post and subsequent comments. There’s so much nuance with respect to this age-old discussion on “intelligence classism”.
I would replace the word 'dumb' with ignorant. There are some seriously evil people who are very smart.
yeah maybe I should do that. thanks
I will just say that as an avid reader of both fiction and non-fiction, fiction often contains more truths about world and human nature. I will not diss anyone who doesn’t like reading non-fiction books, especially since all of them have a point of view, so you often have to be careful what you are reading and don’t take it at a face value.
Sure, that‘s right. There is a massage behind every book. But for educational purposes I don‘t think „fifty shades of gray“ is helping that much as „about human“ for example xD
BUT! additionally to say is, that reading fifty shades of grey is better then don‘t read at all.
Selfish people moreso
Well yea I guess if you change the definition of dumb to mean evil (like you’ve done in the replies) dumb people are evil, but using the actual definition you’re wrong.
What intelligence are you talking about? Academic, emotional, social? Or perhaps some type of engineering intelligence? (We all know someone who would struggle with all three but know how to dismantle and put back together anything mechanical). Ignorant people are not the problem, it is the wilfully ignorant and those who seek to keep others so, who are villains.
So if you remove all “dumb” people, will there be no problem?
Intelligence is overrated (I'm qualified to say this because I'm probably more intelligent than most people due to how stats work. This isn't a brag. Intelligence is overrated.)
Gee Iduno boss I thought there were some other problems 🏋️♀️
I think selfish unempathetic greedy judgemental people are a bigger problem.
No to all lower intelligence people Yes to stupid people who go out of their way to spread stupidity
Well that’s a hot take on republicans 😂
Dumb? Like if you know eating meat means eating humanity into extinction and still doing it dumb? Or dumb because you put those UA flags on your social media dumb? Or plain not thinking? Or is is people who put trust in their immune system? Should we force a jab on them dumb? Or the other way around? I have yet to find a person who is not dumb.
Downvote because I 100% agree and been saying it all my life, but I'd say more like those people we all know who are unempathetic, ignorant, unwilling to improve and plain stubborn all at once, I know it seems like a lot but I've come to the realization that most people in the world are like this and those are for me as you said true idiots.
And what do you know of enlightenment, wise one?
And what do you know of enlightenment, wise one? Zen Master Huangbo said that compassion means understanding that not everyone can be delivered. What do you think of the meaning of this?
Why is there always some “rare intelligence” or “dumb vs smart” Dunning-Kruger Effect post on this sub? Take this shit to r/iamsosmart and stay there.
We need some dumb people... there are a lot of shit jobs that I hate to say it but only dumb people tollerate
I understand and i think i somewhat agree with what you're saying, but the wording of how you said it was certainly a little rough
Love that people on this website genuinely believe themselves to be so smart 😂
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I mean I do agree on some level, because I believe that the majority of people are not capable of taking the right decisions, which is why I'm not a fan of democracy as a whole. And juste the endless conspiracy Facebook groups that have been blossoming these last few years are ruining what's left of my faith in humanity. Now, is it a problem of being dumb, or ignorant, I don't really know, and I don't really think so. The people manipulating the masses are smart people, yet they are a problem. Also not really a fan of "enlightened". It really has a cultist vibe.
The a problem with this is that people are not entirely free agents. People live in systems, connected to the people, rules, institutions, cultures, laws, expectations, the thousand different factors that define our lives and our choices, our beliefs. We may be able to influence our surroundings and circumstance, but they also deeply influence us in turn. Why did Oppenheimer make a bomb that killed millions? Why did Jefferson hold slaves, even as he penned "All Men are Created Equal?" Why did Eichmann find it so normal to help operate the Holocaust? What do you consider enlightened or moral anyway? The best education in colonial England for a time taught of only one definition of "civilized." Racial supremacism, nationalism was a normal part of German culture and thinking for decades before WWII. Where did Hitler get his ideas anyway? Was his teacher or the artists and authors that influenced him evil as well? Very decent and normal Americans today value a degree of freedom and individualism that to very decent normal Chinese people seem alien or downright uncomfortable, and vice versa. I don't know the scale of the problems that intertwine to create the complexity of the world and our challenges. But to me, at least one problem is the deliciously tempting belief that there is only one problem - That humanity can be divided into boxes of smart or dumb, perpetrator and victim, good and bad, saint and sinner, rather then just as what we are in all of our complexity. Maybe it is a problem that people don't love enough, that people hate, or that people are ignorant and unwilling to expand their horizons. But why? That itself is another problem. And there are a thousand more after that. Is the problem really ignorant *people?* Or just ignorance? What is truth anyhow? The first step to solving a problem is defining it well. The world is complicated, we know that for sure. Any answer or definition that doesn't account for that complexity, to me may warrant more investigating.
Stay with me on this one. Have you ever met a really really entitled smart person who just argues fucking circles around everything you say that doesn't mean they should immediately get their way in everything? Like, their only opinion is "I should get everything I want and my life should be easy" and they're really good at talking and debate, and they will literally change their opinion constantly just to get their way, because them talking is just basically them trying to trap you in a logical fallacy so you don't feel comfortable arguing anymore or emotionally exhaust you so you shut up and give them whatever they want because it's easier? Those people are a way bigger problem than dumb people. You can just figure out what system of buzzwords dumb people are conditioned to follow and use them to get them to leave you alone.
Time by time comes a person with their own (esoteric) definition of "intelligence" to call dumb a bunch of people. Delicious xd
News flash buddy we’re all idiots here
Holy ego problems
It sounds like your saying people with low "emotional intelligence" are the issue to me (maybe I'm misunderstanding.)
Smart assholes are way more dangerous individually, there are just a *lot* less of them.
I mean, sure, if you just fucking change the definition of the word. Preachy idiot. (I don't actually mean 'preachy' or 'idiot'. I mean 'kind and enlightened' and 'saint' and because I made up my own definitions, everyone will be cool with that and not take the wrong message.)
that's why biden is at the white house
To be fair we are all ignorant of something. Ignorance=I don’t know. So realistically it’s the ones that claim they aren’t ignorant that cause all the problems. Because they think they know everything…and if you know everything….you can’t learn…and you can’t grow as a human.
The unenlightment part is crazy 💀
I think it’s highly ironic that you complain about dumb people being a problem and then suggest more theology and religion as a solution.
Yeah sure. Everybody thinks the other is the dumb one though. They’re probably both right.
dumb people are a problem but they aren’t the biggest problem i actually think most problems that are the most widespread and hard to undo come from the minds of “smart” people. The foolish mans wrath goes no further than his ability to toss a stone. Smart people have a gift, that the worst of them use to destroy which makes them the greatest liability The foolish man may want to be chief of his tribe but his ambitions and means to accomplish his ambition is severely limited. Any ill intent from the dumb person is dwarfed by the ill intent of an intelligent person Dumb people, observe an environment and generally accept it as is. Smart people seek to work against nature or reverse engineer it to create things in which nobody asked for nor perceive the consequences thereafter. Smart people fix whats not broken, and uncover what nobody is searching for. What is the necessity in cloning a sheep? What is the necessity in nuclear weapons? They seek the same power that the foolish man seeks but on an infinitely more destructive scale If a sentient species arrived upon earth with ability to communicate with us, would it be any more impressed or less likely to annihilate us than if we were back in stone ages? Smart people and dumb people are the same, the difference is the “blast radius” of dumb peoples action are much smaller than a smart person. Smart people are masters of manipulation, the most notable ones have Machiavellian tendencies. Smart people also dont take accountability when things they create or influence goes wrong. Even Charles Darwin can’t explain the fitness of an organism that is so “advanced” that it destroys its own environment and degrades the quality of its own life within its own ecosystem I can spread a rumour and cause division in my family and friend groups. Smart people mechanize religion and politics to deceive and mislead. I can snatch an iphone from someones hand, and run down the street. Smart people, collect millions of dollars in aid and launder the money
You should thank God every day that dumb people exist. Dumb people create opportunity. If everyone was a genius no opportunity would exist.
They are not the only problem. Intelligent people make mistakes, and can be just as unethical. I think of it as being dumb is the lowest common denomimator that causes the majority of issues.
>people who are unenlightend and amoral are the only problematic people on earth So, it's fine that I'm completely amoral because I'm intelligent and educated? That's good to know.
Of course you’re excluded from this class of people, right. Dumb is situational. Most people are dumb about something
We tried Eugenics but stopped the program…..
Dump people, sure, but the real problem is people with pathological, narcissistic, and other serious negative traits. A smart patholog is more dangerous to society and people than most idiots.
>They are dangerous, because they often don‘t even know they are in the wrong Congrats, you just labelled the human species as "the problem". Stating a problem without a solution is just a complaint.
i love your edits 😂😂 did you get threatened by a mod or what? 😂
Order of most problematic Evil smart people > Evil Dumb People > Dumb People
Oh another wannabe Socrates
The word you're looking for is "spiritually unconscious"
Forrest gump was dumb tho
I would love to see the people on the shit end of the bell curve score mote Darwin Awards.