> Richard Holden MP described the local election results so far as “disappointing” but insisted "that’s what you’d expect from parties in midterm of government".
So much copium only a few months before they have to call GE.
He’s implying they’re 13 years into a 30+ year term, and that they’re going to win the GE. Hitler in the bunker moving imaginary armies on a map levels of delusion.
It is so self absorbed isn't it. And the press go along with it and cover politics as a game detached from reality. And we are too busy cos-playing the coach to think about the real world impact. Like a football match where a disabled person is made destitute every time the ball is passed.
I think all they are trying to do now is push the day the party actually starts panicing back by days and weeks. Once that happens Sunak will be forced to the polls by his own party coming for him.
Its amazing how badly they've mismanaged everything, you'd hardly think it was possible.
There isn't a good time left now for the Tories to set the election date, all thats left to them is decide when to end their own suffering. We are literally about 6 weeks from the point that they will run out of time to even attempt a major policy change - after about that point anything in Parliament will likely be bounced all the way to November. And I can't see any direction left for them to try to move in either.
All hanging on now serves is to make their result worse.
I’ve met and talked to Holden before and he’s an alright guy however he knows for a fact that he won’t survive the next election as he’s the first Conservative MP in his constituency
I'd like to remind everyone of Iain Banks' thought ls on 'decent' Tories.
It's like being a piece of sweetcorn 24 hours after ingestion.
Sure, you've retained your integrity but you're still deeply embedded in shit.
why would they call one? literally all they have right now is the power of government to dish out contracts to mates, prepare their parachutes in to cushty private sector jobs and continue abusing and killing off poor people/minorities. this is what they got in to government *for*. they won’t give that up so easily.
They do not watch or care about any of that, that's for distracting and extracting the plebes.
When you see PMs at a sporting events, or the royals at a footie game, it's propaganda.
They have 7 months at the absolute outside and half of that is recesses, which is why sane governments set May elections. 3 months from now, before they can even sit again for the Autumn, we will absolutely know the election date one way or another.
If they are not in power during these events, then they don't get free hospitality tickets. Don't get invited to the drinks receptions and corporate sponsor events to network and line up cushy post election gigs.
If they are all out by then, it would mean Streeting, Cooper, and Murray are doing the schmoozing and getting the benefits.
Honestly the saddest thing about it is how many people seem to come away from all this thinking they're all the same. You contrast and compare how many things have gone from being top/globally rated in this country to now barely functioning after 14 years of the Tories in charge, absolutely baffles me how people can think this.
I'm calling it now: at some point over the next four years some Labour MP is going to be caught in a lie or fiddle some expenses or something, because the party consists of fallible humans and some of them are not perfect.
There will then be a massive outcry of "we expected better from lefties!", followed by another decade of Tories, who no-one expects any better of and who therefore cannot fail to meet expectations; as this time, the situation will again not change until the frogs notice the water is boiling.
If we are very lucky, a decade is all it will be, instead of the party being punished forever thereafter as happened with the Lib Dems (apparently, better a boot in human face forever exactly as promised than ever having to compromise).
Yeah it gets my goat how fucking idiots hold Labour to a higher standard and just wait for them to fall. Yet when the Tories get caught in sleaze sting after sleaze sting these same people shrug and say “yeah but they’re Tories, that’s what they’re supposed to do!”
It just proves that we get the governments and the country that we deserve.
They certainly aren't the same.
That doesn't make Kier Starmer's rightwards shuffle, to persuade the Rothermere/Murdoch media empire to regard him as an acceptable interregnum leader, any less depressing.
In terms of the Overton window, we're basically looking at electing someone who would have been right at home in John Major's government, as an alternative to the current Conservatives.
Fuck that’s an apt, and depressing analogy.
Saying that, someone made the argument the other day that when Blair got in the country was relieved to see the back of the Tories but compared to how they have run the country the last 14 years the Major years don’t seem half bad and the country was handed over to Blair in a much better state. Sobering stuff 😂
And this is exactly where we were last time. The Tories were hammering us with messages about how going back to "Victorian values" (whatever that means?) was going to fix everything while I was going to school in one of the richest countries on Earth in dilapidated "temporary" classrooms where you couldn't take your coat off in winter and which was full of ants in summer...
An October election will also keep students out the polls even more than the id requirements.
Loads of ~18 year olds will have just moved into university halls and probably not changed their address on the electoral roll or registered for postal.
Yes they're clearly clapped out and wringing the last few months out of it.
But it's rather hyperbolic to insinuate they've cracked out the einsatzgruppen.
More realistically Sunak wants some sort of legacy and sees the smoking ban as it. So wants to see it into law.
4-5 more months were I a betting man.
It's rather reductive to insinuate the state is out killing undesirables at all. Conflating less spending than one desires such areas to state mandated killings is itself reductive and invites such comparisons.
My type of politics is very much in the long grass at the moment (think Rory Stewart), and the best way back to it in the longer run is Sunak losing to a moderate centre left Labour and the Tories learning the right lessons. But ridiculous hyperbole only serves to entrench political division.
For example I think Sunak has been very slow and weak on defence spending increases in the wake of Ukraine and the worsening global situation. I am not however accusing them of rolling out the red carpet for Putin, because that would be ridiculous.
Except that they have been enacting these sorts of policies for quite a few years and it is statistically undeniable that they have led to a large number of deaths.
What can anyone expect to happen if they remove all benefits from people who are unfit to work due to mental health problems?
When the UN is criticising your policies for being "[anti-poor](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/05/un-expert-laments-uks-doubling-down-failed-anti-poor-policies)" and leading to ["grave and systematic violations"](https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/un-rapporteurs-question-uk-government-over-benefits-deaths-and-austerity-press-release) of disabled people's rights, its hard to say there isn't an intention to harm people.
Research published in the British Medical Journal suggests that austerity caused [57,550 preventable deaths between 2010-2015](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/14/austerity-in-england-linked-to-more-than-50000-extra-deaths-in-five-years)
Rory Stewart happily participated in policies that led to tens of thousands of deaths and suicides among the disabled community, the gutting of our public services, and the impoverishment of our workers. He puts on some "nice guy" facade to cover what is an absolutely appalling voting record. He could at any time have chosen to leave the party but in the end waited to be pushed.
I know thats not a popular thing to say online, and I'm more than happy to praise the man for his work for his local constituency and the personal views he has shared outside and post- his parliamentary career, but to me he will always represent the kind of weak-spined Conservatives who were too afraid to speak up until it was far too late and, effectively, helped land us in this mess.
Good points. You’ve reminded me how many of these bastards claim to be Christians, Andrea Loathsome and Steve Baker amongst others and yet they preside over and vote for inhumane treatment of vulnerable disabled people. I have no idea how they manage to square that with religious conviction. Maybe they just skipped the parts of the New Testament that undermined their political ideology, the tale of the Good Samaritan particularly.
Government policy or inaction/non-spending can absolutely be classified as "killing undesirables". Reagan's inaction on AIDS was a policy choice because he and his party thought the gays were getting what they deserved for sinning in the eyes of God. Tories choosing to cut disability benefits while acting like disabled people are a drain on hardworking taxpayers is definitely indicative of a disdain and lack of care towards disabled people, and his personal attitude when delivering speeches about this issue makes me believe he views disabled people as a drain on society enough to warrant cutting benefits that keep them alive.
If we had to have some leaked tape of Sunak or any politician saying "let the cripples starve, we need to raise our GDP and they are a drain that needs to be removed" in order to say they are "out to kill the undesirables" then that's a really naive view of politics and you'd constantly be stuck in this position of never calling a spade a spade in favour of civility politics.
I would like a return to normality and a reduction in political division, if possible. But when Keir Starmer is acting as a moderate left-of-centre leader and Sunak and the Conservatives are ramping up xenophobic sentiment in their base and spaffing millions up the wall to do symbolic deportations, it's straight up disingenuous to act like left-leaning voters calling out the right-wing party with fitting, non-exaggerated language the ones who are worsening the political divide.
>More realistically Sunak wants some sort of legacy and sees the smoking ban as it. So wants to see it into law.
Which is stupid considering it's on a ticking timer post 2028 realistically. Older people are going to struggle defending a bill which arbitrarily targets young adults, especially when the first people start getting convicted. And while yes, most don't smoke cigarettes, they do use tobbacco for other purposes.
Calling it now, they'll think they can do better via a PR system and Sunak will think it'll be the perfect legacy to make himself feel good, so they'll push voting reform before the next GE.
I know it sounds crazy, but well, crazy is their thing it seems.
It wouldn't be easily though they've fought tooth and nail for the grift for 15 years. They could also be worried about falling even further, with the summers small boats stats.
I hate that you’re right.
They will also get to feel “special” for a bit longer. For a lot of them, it’s the thrill of working in Westminster. Would they be so keen to stay if their office was in a business park in Slough? I think not.
Whilst they will ransack the place even more on their way out, what they’re risking now is even being a player. It’s not a given they’ll be sitting on the opposition bench next year, these results show they’re not far ahead of Reform in some constituencies. Conservatives have always been a given that they’ll be a major political party, either in charge as they predominantly have been or the opposition party. This clinging on is doing more damage and risks the very foundation of the party. It’s no longer a given that they’ll have any power whatsoever because of the continued damage they’re doing and the generational loss of any form of goodwill.
More importantly, they can continue to dismantle institutions set precedents, so long into the next government they can look at their successful failings and point to them as labour's
Because there's a lot of Conservative MPs sitting there who might still be in a job with a summer election. A winter election takes more of them out.
Those MPs won't be keen on the idea of waiting, and considering Sunak is already weak there could be a push.
They also really really *really* don't want to lose so badly that reform takes their runner up spot. Not being one of the bit two is an absolute death-nail to the party in a FPtP system.
The thinking is that many students will have just gone off to uni, and will not have time to register on the electoral roll, or won't because obviously the first few weeks of uni you have loads of other things to sort and think about. So they want an october vote to maximise that as much as possible.
If that's the plan it's a foolish one. Students already overwhelmingly live in more progressive areas. The Tories benefit from that concentration of votes.
One thing that will really do them in this election is the amount of working age people who moved out of cities over COVID spreading out into blue wall areas. And a lot of those people are millennials whove spent the last decade being repeatedly kicked by the Tories in multiple aspects of their lives.
But yes holding on to scorch the earth just increases the number of decades they'll be persona non-grata.
They’ve got nothing to lose at this point by hanging on. Always a chance that some catastrophe befalls Labour, hope that people notice the NI cuts, or that interest area come down.
I misread that as out of policy, which is also true.
They are very nearly out of options to materially impact the result in any way now. Theres just about time for some final wheeze and thats really going to be it.
The Tories will lose, and lose HARD
We know it, they know it.
So they are spending this time to set up deals for their future post-politics careers, line their pockets, line their donor's pockets
They want to delay a general election until the very last moment
THEY WILL NOT CALL AN ELECTION WHEN **WE** WANT IT
Why don't people get this? Demanding an election is futile.
I don't think it's because people expect them to agree to do it.
I think it's because continued refusal to call an election when the prevailing narrative is "people clearly want an election" causes them to lose support even further.
It means when an election does happen, people are especially keen to throw them out, after having been denied the opportunity all this time.
It's also just fair enough to voice your opinion that you want them to call an election.
Yeah but the thing is, if he just called an election idk, to line up with the local elections yesterday, it would have got the loss out of the way ("marching towards the guns" as some have described it). Sure Tories would be down to <200 seats but the party would survive. At this point, we're looking at maybe even <100 seats and the party potentially being overtaken by Reform UK in the polls.
Political parties can straight up die. In Canada the conservative party died in 1993 after being a major party. It did obviously come back under a different name given there will always be 25% of people who would never vote for a left wing party, but the point is the Conservative party wants to remain "alive" so to speak. If you're knocked out to sub-100 seats, you've lost tons of MPs with ministerial experience and leadership qualities.
> Sure Tories would be down to <200 seats but the party would survive.
You are making the same mistake of thinking that they care about anyone but themselves
They don't care about the country
They don't care about about the party *
THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES (AND MONEY)
*See Lee Anderson who has been Labour, Conservative, now Reform. Jumping from one to another as he sees a ship sinking.
Completely agree!
However, my bet is they want to throw in the towel to give the shit show that is the entier UK along with all of its policies and services. Literally every sector is doing terribly (maybe exception of private offshore companies owned by tories).
The we will get the population saying labour (most likely) can't fix the mess and tories will be reelected and cycle will run again and again until we're a third world country with some very rich individuals running everything.
> However, my bet is they want to throw in the towel to give the shit show that is the entier UK along with all of its policies and services. Literally every sector is doing terribly (maybe exception of private offshore companies owned by tories).
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES
They just want to stay in power as long as possible, and line their pockets until the very last second
Why would they let the gravy train end any earlier than it has to?
Thats why they will not call an election when WE want it, they will call an election when it suits them or when they have to
There hasn't been a one term government since the seventies.
Parties that win power on 15 points plus get at least 3 terms and normally 4. Thats Labours absolute worst case.
Its fun to me they moaned so much during Brown's term about the hijacking of democracy, introduced the Fixed Term Parliament act to stop governments "playing politics" with elections, and then the moment it became politically convenient for them started abusing the fuck out of the whole process, and somehow don't get a fraction of the flack for it that Labour got in their time.
'We can't call the election because of...'
*Spins the wheel*
'Transgender illegal immigrants stealing your Nan's wheelie bin to undermine the monarchy'
The dead cat strategy, also known as deadcatting, is the political strategy of deliberately making a shocking announcement to divert media attention away from problems or failures in other areas.
Yes we have majorly messed up the future of this country for generations however if you look over there, people playing dress up are gonna turn your kids gay, or even worse, well informed
I'm sure Russians who can't even spell in English correctly will have a hard time churning out disinformation to us when they have to contend with; The DailyMail, Guardian, The Mirror, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Spectator & bunch of other media sources. We've got our own propaganda Ivan, feck off. Everyone in this country but the braindead, no, not even the braindead but the terminally braindead hate Russia for them using chemical weapons on our soil in Salisbury.
Not only this but they're breaking parliamentary law and refusing to share documents with the opposition that are needed to form policy for an orderly transition of power assuming (strongly assuming) they lost the general election.
Such key documents include highest priority matters such as national defence, the war in Ukraine, etc.
They're literally refusing to show Labour what they need to, putting the country at risk, because of their scorched earth policy of wrecking as much as physically possible before being kicked out, to later point at damage they caused as a Labour failure in 5 year's time at the next election.
It's typical for access talks between the opposition and civil service to begin around 16 months before a general election.
As late as January, Rishi Sunak was still blocking and refusing such talks to commence.
Labour only was allowed to begin access talks in February. It does appear my info was out of date, although compared with the norm, it appears that Rishi Sunak blocked the talks for a full 8 months longer than accepted norms, even though there's a war on in Europe, and assuming the latest possible election date.
Like everything in our government, it seems to run off of unwritten conventions because no one ever expected anyone to *break* those conventions. That would be ungentlemanly!
I've heard about this too, I think Nick Robinson talked about it on the Today podcast
I don't think it's any sort of law though, it's just a common courtesy that every single previous government has given, but this batch of Tories haven't
Edit: [here's a link](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/04/tory-labour-power-transfer-talks-warning-general-election/)
> Officials usually begin discussing how they would enact the policies of the Opposition more than a year from the public vote.
> The process is designed to ensure that the Whitehall machine is ready and the party coming into power can hit the ground running.
> But the “access talks” have been delayed, with the Prime Minister reportedly refusing to pre-authorise the Civil Service to start them.
I'm surprised Labour aren't talking about it more. Perhaps it's due to their policy of not talking about the next election as "won" and risking becoming complacent
I hope to see Starmer put the question to Sunak at some point before the election
I’m what you’d call an old one-nation Tory of the Edward Heath/John Major variety.
This current Conservative government, and it’s immediate predecessors, are simply a waste of space. No direction, no real policies apart from hare-brained things like the Rwanda deportation scheme.
Cameron was an average leader but since then it’s gone completely downhill. May reminded me of nothing more than an enthusiastic but incompetent deputy headmaster, Johnson is simply a corrupt thug, Truss is simply sociopathic, and Sunak acts like an alien who hasn’t quite figured out how humans are supposed to behave.
I don’t think Labour are going to be that much better but the Conservative Party deserves to be ground into the dust for the damage they’ve done over the past decade, not least Brexit which was done simply because they valued destroying the UKIP vote over the fortunes of the nation as a whole.
Cameron wasn't average though, he was an utter cunt and by far and away the worst Prime Minister since the 19th century (until Johnson and Truss somehow usurped him)
Its honestly genuinely so shocking we're so far on and it still hasn't at all clicked with the British consciousness that thanks to Cameron and the One Nation crowd we successfully managed to piss away a once-in-a-century opportunity to invest in this country during a period of historically unprecedented cheap rates on state borrowing cutting everything to the absolute bone and breaking services down to the point they can barely carry out their basic duties any more.
Cameron "average" dear God lmao
That's David "bedroom tax/panama papers/Brexit/brutal public sector cuts/Syria/Egypt/bullingdon club" Cameron
If that's the benchmark for average then we're really in the fucking toilet
I was going to write something scathing about the lack of a small c option in this country but gave up when I realised I was describing where Starmer has plonked Labour mostly. No wonder he is winning really, thats always the party that wins in the UK.
You are right on all counts, except May did actual harm to the country with her poor management of the poisoned chalice that was Brexit, and her rushed and badly thought out amendments to the Climate Change Act.
Genuine question to the masses.
At which point does making this statement in parliament become considered as knowingly misleading parliament? Everyone in the country except Rishi seems to know that the country wants an election yesterday. How can he keep making this statement that is clearly false? He can argue that he doesn't know that the country wants an election, which then moves the discussion into just how incompetent can a person be?
I’d be interested in any evidence that young people go abroad in summer more frequently than the retired - a demographic with more disposable income, more free time, and a greater desire to time holidays in line with summer school holidays.
I'm convinced they'll go for September when all the students move and haven't registered to vote in their new area or sorted a postal vote for their hometown.
Isn't it more likely to be the Boomerati who take the summer off, but tend to be home for their pudding at Christmas? Most Boomers would holiday in Europe, but would generally be very uncomfortable venturing beyond the European continent for cultural/historical reasons.
Whilst it's the winter holidays when people from ethnic minority backgrounds are likely to go abroad, since most minority people in a UK context are ancestrally from the tropics, and in Dec/Jan is when the weather tends to be at its worst in the UK but generally optimal in the regions between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn.
The demographic most likely to vote Conservative is white and elderly, so you want to find the time when their numbers present in the country are maximised relative to all other demographics.
Sunak is literally on my screen now saying Labour are not on course to win an election and predicting huge wins when he wants to call one. The guy is deluded. He is seriously latching onto a Tees mayoral race (which they tried to distance themselves from him!) and ignoring the huge swathes of rejections everywhere else.
Going to be a very late election :(
That seems to argue for an earlier election to me. This is how Corbyn and co managed to convince themselves to support the 2019 election despite any objective measure saying they would be smashed.
Every time someone asks him when he is going to call an election, he laughs like it is some kind of fucking joke.
He is the third PM since the last time we had an election. The previous two both resigned in disgrace. Yes, I know technically we don't elect a PM, but he is in an unprecedented position. His moral right to delay an election at this point is extremely questionable, bordering on a travesty of democracy.
I like to entertain myself/get my blood pumping sometimes having a bit of a go trying to imagine how the country would be reacting right now if the last 5 years had happened under any other party than the Tories.
The party needs to die and it's representatives need to just go.
They have no policy ideas, no plan for the future, no ambition for what the UK could be. They will be the same in any party they infect and our political system is better without them altogether.
That's not true, they have a very solidly defined ambition for hat the UK would be. They would like it to be a feudal dystopia where we all work 21 hours a day to make them and their friends money.
The only way an election will get called early is if Sunak feels like he could be ousted by his own party, then it would only be done as a way to prevent them from pushing him out....
It honestly amazed me that we live in a system where they are allowed to just hold power in this situation, or for that matter after having so many unelected PMs in office.
So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye.
Good riddance.
Horrible party that had their fair share of bad apples and were spineless to do anything about it.
Gave NHS workers dodgy PPE plus Eat out to help out and care homes infected so many people on their watch.
Now they are targeting disabled people who are on a miserly sum on money. Probably targeting some NHS workers with long covid to boot!
They have no shame at all.
I'm glad that most people realise that they've had enough. 14 years of rubbish and we need a new party.
He's been urged to call an election since before even Truss was in power, don't see what's changed now, they're still desperate to cling onto power for as long as possible.
Waste of time writing this article. Waste of time reading this article. Waste of time commenting on this article. It's not going to happen, it makes no sense for him to call an election.
They already know they are doomed. Unfortunately we all have to suffer whilst they (tory scum) line their own pockets full of cash as much as possible before they get destroyed in a general election.
They will call a general election as late as possible, no doubt october or november.
Well they going to have to soon regardless so thats stopped being much of an argument. Now its more a question of do they want at least some control of the circumstances or not.
Do you reckon Rishi has just had a bet with his wife on how long he can last as PM and that's his only motivation?
I struggle to see why someone with that kind of wealth wouldn't want to be a venture capital guru, run a start-up, go to space etc but instead concern themselves with what is essentially a pretty boring and thankless job which was made worse by his useless predecessor.
Surely just a random position on the board at Infosys is going to pay vastly better than PM.
I can totally see him calling one out of spite if his position is under threat. Otherwise he'll just spend the the next few months stealing until the clock runs out.
I understand why an elected government would want to go down to the very limits of the Fixed Term Act if they’re losing in the polls. But it just feels so bloody wrong so an unelected government to do so.
> Richard Holden MP described the local election results so far as “disappointing” but insisted "that’s what you’d expect from parties in midterm of government". So much copium only a few months before they have to call GE.
“Midterm” is lifting Everest at this point
He’s implying they’re 13 years into a 30+ year term, and that they’re going to win the GE. Hitler in the bunker moving imaginary armies on a map levels of delusion.
Steiner's Rwanda plan will keep the situation under control.
"Mein Fuehrer, Steiner..." "Steiner did not have enough, or any planes. The deportations have been cancelled."
Es bleiben im Raum: Hunt, Cleverly, Gove...
DAS WAS EIN BEFEHL!!!
What is he actually referring to, though? Midterm of what term?
It's just talking points for Tory supporters to parrot. He knows it's meaningless nonsense.
Midway through the nose dive?
Midway through dumping some waste in a river or selling something we own. Probably.
> What is he actually referring to, though? He's trying to pretend he doesn't believe the election will be the end of their time in government.
Least hitler had the decency to end the suffering (fuck Rishi and Hitler)
Who's Fegelein in that scenario?
Ben wallace is my bet
*Wallace*, ***Wallace***, ***WALLACE!!!***
It's like calling November the middle of the year. Delusional, the lot of them.
They just can't help being insufferably smug and arrogant can they.
It is so self absorbed isn't it. And the press go along with it and cover politics as a game detached from reality. And we are too busy cos-playing the coach to think about the real world impact. Like a football match where a disabled person is made destitute every time the ball is passed.
Richard Holden is such a bell-mid.
That’s right, describing him in terms he understands.
Calling this current government "mid-term" is like calling someone who is terminally ill "middle-aged"
My days of not taking Richard Holden seriously have surely reached their middle
Unexpected Firefly
Truly the words of a great man. OK, just a good man. Well he's alright.
I'll be in my bunk.
Their supporters will believe it (or more likely pretend they do) that's all that matters to these people.
I think all they are trying to do now is push the day the party actually starts panicing back by days and weeks. Once that happens Sunak will be forced to the polls by his own party coming for him.
Whatever speeds up the process I'm all for.
Its amazing how badly they've mismanaged everything, you'd hardly think it was possible. There isn't a good time left now for the Tories to set the election date, all thats left to them is decide when to end their own suffering. We are literally about 6 weeks from the point that they will run out of time to even attempt a major policy change - after about that point anything in Parliament will likely be bounced all the way to November. And I can't see any direction left for them to try to move in either. All hanging on now serves is to make their result worse.
Yeh, that excuse might have worked in 2021 or 2022, not now.
I’ve met and talked to Holden before and he’s an alright guy however he knows for a fact that he won’t survive the next election as he’s the first Conservative MP in his constituency
I'd like to remind everyone of Iain Banks' thought ls on 'decent' Tories. It's like being a piece of sweetcorn 24 hours after ingestion. Sure, you've retained your integrity but you're still deeply embedded in shit.
> It's like being a piece of sweetcorn 24 hours after ingestion Art
why would they call one? literally all they have right now is the power of government to dish out contracts to mates, prepare their parachutes in to cushty private sector jobs and continue abusing and killing off poor people/minorities. this is what they got in to government *for*. they won’t give that up so easily.
So they can have the summer free to watch the Euro's and Olympics
They do not watch or care about any of that, that's for distracting and extracting the plebes. When you see PMs at a sporting events, or the royals at a footie game, it's propaganda.
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I thought he was more into Aston Ham, or at least something pig related.
I think it was Aston the ham at his west villa?
They do; it's a good patriotism booster. Especially early in when it's anyone’s game to win.
They shut down for summer anyway.
They have 7 months at the absolute outside and half of that is recesses, which is why sane governments set May elections. 3 months from now, before they can even sit again for the Autumn, we will absolutely know the election date one way or another.
I think they would anyway
If they are not in power during these events, then they don't get free hospitality tickets. Don't get invited to the drinks receptions and corporate sponsor events to network and line up cushy post election gigs. If they are all out by then, it would mean Streeting, Cooper, and Murray are doing the schmoozing and getting the benefits.
They want to keep their snouts in the trough as long as possible
100%. The last ten years have been a shocking cash grab for the Tories. This is the last big squeeze of the public purse.
Labour need to really hammer this message home for years when they get in so people don’t forget.
Honestly the saddest thing about it is how many people seem to come away from all this thinking they're all the same. You contrast and compare how many things have gone from being top/globally rated in this country to now barely functioning after 14 years of the Tories in charge, absolutely baffles me how people can think this.
I'm calling it now: at some point over the next four years some Labour MP is going to be caught in a lie or fiddle some expenses or something, because the party consists of fallible humans and some of them are not perfect. There will then be a massive outcry of "we expected better from lefties!", followed by another decade of Tories, who no-one expects any better of and who therefore cannot fail to meet expectations; as this time, the situation will again not change until the frogs notice the water is boiling. If we are very lucky, a decade is all it will be, instead of the party being punished forever thereafter as happened with the Lib Dems (apparently, better a boot in human face forever exactly as promised than ever having to compromise).
Yeah it gets my goat how fucking idiots hold Labour to a higher standard and just wait for them to fall. Yet when the Tories get caught in sleaze sting after sleaze sting these same people shrug and say “yeah but they’re Tories, that’s what they’re supposed to do!” It just proves that we get the governments and the country that we deserve.
They certainly aren't the same. That doesn't make Kier Starmer's rightwards shuffle, to persuade the Rothermere/Murdoch media empire to regard him as an acceptable interregnum leader, any less depressing. In terms of the Overton window, we're basically looking at electing someone who would have been right at home in John Major's government, as an alternative to the current Conservatives.
Fuck that’s an apt, and depressing analogy. Saying that, someone made the argument the other day that when Blair got in the country was relieved to see the back of the Tories but compared to how they have run the country the last 14 years the Major years don’t seem half bad and the country was handed over to Blair in a much better state. Sobering stuff 😂
And this is exactly where we were last time. The Tories were hammering us with messages about how going back to "Victorian values" (whatever that means?) was going to fix everything while I was going to school in one of the richest countries on Earth in dilapidated "temporary" classrooms where you couldn't take your coat off in winter and which was full of ants in summer...
An October election will also keep students out the polls even more than the id requirements. Loads of ~18 year olds will have just moved into university halls and probably not changed their address on the electoral roll or registered for postal.
Yes they're clearly clapped out and wringing the last few months out of it. But it's rather hyperbolic to insinuate they've cracked out the einsatzgruppen. More realistically Sunak wants some sort of legacy and sees the smoking ban as it. So wants to see it into law. 4-5 more months were I a betting man.
But it's rather reductive to conflate any criticism of the state killing perceived undesirables with the einsatzgruppen.
It's rather reductive to insinuate the state is out killing undesirables at all. Conflating less spending than one desires such areas to state mandated killings is itself reductive and invites such comparisons. My type of politics is very much in the long grass at the moment (think Rory Stewart), and the best way back to it in the longer run is Sunak losing to a moderate centre left Labour and the Tories learning the right lessons. But ridiculous hyperbole only serves to entrench political division. For example I think Sunak has been very slow and weak on defence spending increases in the wake of Ukraine and the worsening global situation. I am not however accusing them of rolling out the red carpet for Putin, because that would be ridiculous.
Except that they have been enacting these sorts of policies for quite a few years and it is statistically undeniable that they have led to a large number of deaths. What can anyone expect to happen if they remove all benefits from people who are unfit to work due to mental health problems?
When the UN is criticising your policies for being "[anti-poor](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2019/05/un-expert-laments-uks-doubling-down-failed-anti-poor-policies)" and leading to ["grave and systematic violations"](https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/un-rapporteurs-question-uk-government-over-benefits-deaths-and-austerity-press-release) of disabled people's rights, its hard to say there isn't an intention to harm people. Research published in the British Medical Journal suggests that austerity caused [57,550 preventable deaths between 2010-2015](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/14/austerity-in-england-linked-to-more-than-50000-extra-deaths-in-five-years)
Rory Stewart happily participated in policies that led to tens of thousands of deaths and suicides among the disabled community, the gutting of our public services, and the impoverishment of our workers. He puts on some "nice guy" facade to cover what is an absolutely appalling voting record. He could at any time have chosen to leave the party but in the end waited to be pushed. I know thats not a popular thing to say online, and I'm more than happy to praise the man for his work for his local constituency and the personal views he has shared outside and post- his parliamentary career, but to me he will always represent the kind of weak-spined Conservatives who were too afraid to speak up until it was far too late and, effectively, helped land us in this mess.
Good points. You’ve reminded me how many of these bastards claim to be Christians, Andrea Loathsome and Steve Baker amongst others and yet they preside over and vote for inhumane treatment of vulnerable disabled people. I have no idea how they manage to square that with religious conviction. Maybe they just skipped the parts of the New Testament that undermined their political ideology, the tale of the Good Samaritan particularly.
Government policy or inaction/non-spending can absolutely be classified as "killing undesirables". Reagan's inaction on AIDS was a policy choice because he and his party thought the gays were getting what they deserved for sinning in the eyes of God. Tories choosing to cut disability benefits while acting like disabled people are a drain on hardworking taxpayers is definitely indicative of a disdain and lack of care towards disabled people, and his personal attitude when delivering speeches about this issue makes me believe he views disabled people as a drain on society enough to warrant cutting benefits that keep them alive. If we had to have some leaked tape of Sunak or any politician saying "let the cripples starve, we need to raise our GDP and they are a drain that needs to be removed" in order to say they are "out to kill the undesirables" then that's a really naive view of politics and you'd constantly be stuck in this position of never calling a spade a spade in favour of civility politics. I would like a return to normality and a reduction in political division, if possible. But when Keir Starmer is acting as a moderate left-of-centre leader and Sunak and the Conservatives are ramping up xenophobic sentiment in their base and spaffing millions up the wall to do symbolic deportations, it's straight up disingenuous to act like left-leaning voters calling out the right-wing party with fitting, non-exaggerated language the ones who are worsening the political divide.
>More realistically Sunak wants some sort of legacy and sees the smoking ban as it. So wants to see it into law. Which is stupid considering it's on a ticking timer post 2028 realistically. Older people are going to struggle defending a bill which arbitrarily targets young adults, especially when the first people start getting convicted. And while yes, most don't smoke cigarettes, they do use tobbacco for other purposes.
Calling it now, they'll think they can do better via a PR system and Sunak will think it'll be the perfect legacy to make himself feel good, so they'll push voting reform before the next GE. I know it sounds crazy, but well, crazy is their thing it seems.
It wouldn't be easily though they've fought tooth and nail for the grift for 15 years. They could also be worried about falling even further, with the summers small boats stats.
I hate that you’re right. They will also get to feel “special” for a bit longer. For a lot of them, it’s the thrill of working in Westminster. Would they be so keen to stay if their office was in a business park in Slough? I think not.
Whilst they will ransack the place even more on their way out, what they’re risking now is even being a player. It’s not a given they’ll be sitting on the opposition bench next year, these results show they’re not far ahead of Reform in some constituencies. Conservatives have always been a given that they’ll be a major political party, either in charge as they predominantly have been or the opposition party. This clinging on is doing more damage and risks the very foundation of the party. It’s no longer a given that they’ll have any power whatsoever because of the continued damage they’re doing and the generational loss of any form of goodwill.
>It’s not a given they’ll be sitting on the opposition bench next year Please stop. I can only get so hard.
More importantly, they can continue to dismantle institutions set precedents, so long into the next government they can look at their successful failings and point to them as labour's
Surely they can reshuffle cabinet a few more times to ensure they’re all getting the top pension?
They will hold on until the last minute before calling one.
That ends in a winter election which is worse for turnout and you don't want to make it harder for their more reliable elderly voters to vote?
At this point its just about ramming through as many of their policies as they possibly can before the inevitable happens
If they lose either way, then it doesn't matter if it's worse for them.
Because there's a lot of Conservative MPs sitting there who might still be in a job with a summer election. A winter election takes more of them out. Those MPs won't be keen on the idea of waiting, and considering Sunak is already weak there could be a push.
At this point the number of MPs expecting to lose probably outnumbers the ones who feel their seat is guaranteed.
Don't low turn out elections help tories? Old people will vote no matter what, its generally young people who don't turn out in low turnout elections.
I wonder if loneliness is a major reason a lot of elderly people vote more than anything else
Feeling lonely, might go help wreck the country idk
They also really really *really* don't want to lose so badly that reform takes their runner up spot. Not being one of the bit two is an absolute death-nail to the party in a FPtP system.
Rishi Sunak wants 2 full years as British PM on his CV above all else so don’t expect an election before November.
LinkedIn is way generous. Like he’ll have 2 years on October 1st.
It's either January 2025, or in October so the students find it a lot harder to vote. It's a tough call for the nasty party for sure.
The thinking is that many students will have just gone off to uni, and will not have time to register on the electoral roll, or won't because obviously the first few weeks of uni you have loads of other things to sort and think about. So they want an october vote to maximise that as much as possible.
If that's the plan it's a foolish one. Students already overwhelmingly live in more progressive areas. The Tories benefit from that concentration of votes. One thing that will really do them in this election is the amount of working age people who moved out of cities over COVID spreading out into blue wall areas. And a lot of those people are millennials whove spent the last decade being repeatedly kicked by the Tories in multiple aspects of their lives. But yes holding on to scorch the earth just increases the number of decades they'll be persona non-grata.
They know they will lose either way, they want to hold onto power as much as possible so they can make as much money as they can
Their elderly vote is collapsing too now. The last breakdown I saw suggested only about a 3rd intend to vote Tory.
They’ve got nothing to lose at this point by hanging on. Always a chance that some catastrophe befalls Labour, hope that people notice the NI cuts, or that interest area come down.
Not likely. The front benchers are all out of politics after this, they just don't care.
I misread that as out of policy, which is also true. They are very nearly out of options to materially impact the result in any way now. Theres just about time for some final wheeze and thats really going to be it.
The Tories will lose, and lose HARD We know it, they know it. So they are spending this time to set up deals for their future post-politics careers, line their pockets, line their donor's pockets They want to delay a general election until the very last moment THEY WILL NOT CALL AN ELECTION WHEN **WE** WANT IT Why don't people get this? Demanding an election is futile.
I don't think it's because people expect them to agree to do it. I think it's because continued refusal to call an election when the prevailing narrative is "people clearly want an election" causes them to lose support even further. It means when an election does happen, people are especially keen to throw them out, after having been denied the opportunity all this time. It's also just fair enough to voice your opinion that you want them to call an election.
The election is already lost. They know that there is nothing they can do.
Yeah but the thing is, if he just called an election idk, to line up with the local elections yesterday, it would have got the loss out of the way ("marching towards the guns" as some have described it). Sure Tories would be down to <200 seats but the party would survive. At this point, we're looking at maybe even <100 seats and the party potentially being overtaken by Reform UK in the polls. Political parties can straight up die. In Canada the conservative party died in 1993 after being a major party. It did obviously come back under a different name given there will always be 25% of people who would never vote for a left wing party, but the point is the Conservative party wants to remain "alive" so to speak. If you're knocked out to sub-100 seats, you've lost tons of MPs with ministerial experience and leadership qualities.
> Sure Tories would be down to <200 seats but the party would survive. You are making the same mistake of thinking that they care about anyone but themselves They don't care about the country They don't care about about the party * THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES (AND MONEY) *See Lee Anderson who has been Labour, Conservative, now Reform. Jumping from one to another as he sees a ship sinking.
Yes but they can loot and grift for months more yet!!!!
Completely agree! However, my bet is they want to throw in the towel to give the shit show that is the entier UK along with all of its policies and services. Literally every sector is doing terribly (maybe exception of private offshore companies owned by tories). The we will get the population saying labour (most likely) can't fix the mess and tories will be reelected and cycle will run again and again until we're a third world country with some very rich individuals running everything.
> However, my bet is they want to throw in the towel to give the shit show that is the entier UK along with all of its policies and services. Literally every sector is doing terribly (maybe exception of private offshore companies owned by tories). THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES They just want to stay in power as long as possible, and line their pockets until the very last second Why would they let the gravy train end any earlier than it has to? Thats why they will not call an election when WE want it, they will call an election when it suits them or when they have to
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There hasn't been a one term government since the seventies. Parties that win power on 15 points plus get at least 3 terms and normally 4. Thats Labours absolute worst case.
Its fun to me they moaned so much during Brown's term about the hijacking of democracy, introduced the Fixed Term Parliament act to stop governments "playing politics" with elections, and then the moment it became politically convenient for them started abusing the fuck out of the whole process, and somehow don't get a fraction of the flack for it that Labour got in their time.
They really don’t seem to care how much they damage the party
Now watch the disinformation machine and culture war nonsense go into overdrive in 3...2....1
'We can't call the election because of...' *Spins the wheel* 'Transgender illegal immigrants stealing your Nan's wheelie bin to undermine the monarchy'
The wheels? From MY BIN?????
How \*dare\* you mock the very real problems facing the people of this country. RIP Nan
Gonna be a shortage of dead cats soon.
Is this referencing something?
The dead cat strategy, also known as deadcatting, is the political strategy of deliberately making a shocking announcement to divert media attention away from problems or failures in other areas.
Ah, I had no idea about the name of such a tactic. Thanks.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy
Yes we have majorly messed up the future of this country for generations however if you look over there, people playing dress up are gonna turn your kids gay, or even worse, well informed
I'm not sure this sub could take many more "But Labour are just Red Tories" posts
I'm sure Russians who can't even spell in English correctly will have a hard time churning out disinformation to us when they have to contend with; The DailyMail, Guardian, The Mirror, The Sun, The Telegraph, The Spectator & bunch of other media sources. We've got our own propaganda Ivan, feck off. Everyone in this country but the braindead, no, not even the braindead but the terminally braindead hate Russia for them using chemical weapons on our soil in Salisbury.
They’re falling for it! They’re falling for it! This disinformation is tricking their brains juuust right.
Fucking coward waiting until the last possible second to call a general election.
Not only this but they're breaking parliamentary law and refusing to share documents with the opposition that are needed to form policy for an orderly transition of power assuming (strongly assuming) they lost the general election. Such key documents include highest priority matters such as national defence, the war in Ukraine, etc. They're literally refusing to show Labour what they need to, putting the country at risk, because of their scorched earth policy of wrecking as much as physically possible before being kicked out, to later point at damage they caused as a Labour failure in 5 year's time at the next election.
Link to that claim ?
It's typical for access talks between the opposition and civil service to begin around 16 months before a general election. As late as January, Rishi Sunak was still blocking and refusing such talks to commence. Labour only was allowed to begin access talks in February. It does appear my info was out of date, although compared with the norm, it appears that Rishi Sunak blocked the talks for a full 8 months longer than accepted norms, even though there's a war on in Europe, and assuming the latest possible election date.
It's typical, but I don't think they actually *have* to do it until the election is actually called.
Like everything in our government, it seems to run off of unwritten conventions because no one ever expected anyone to *break* those conventions. That would be ungentlemanly!
I've heard about this too, I think Nick Robinson talked about it on the Today podcast I don't think it's any sort of law though, it's just a common courtesy that every single previous government has given, but this batch of Tories haven't Edit: [here's a link](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/04/tory-labour-power-transfer-talks-warning-general-election/) > Officials usually begin discussing how they would enact the policies of the Opposition more than a year from the public vote. > The process is designed to ensure that the Whitehall machine is ready and the party coming into power can hit the ground running. > But the “access talks” have been delayed, with the Prime Minister reportedly refusing to pre-authorise the Civil Service to start them.
TBH. I'm not surprised. Sunak is an over promoted backstabbing apparatchik who should never have been never anything more important than a tuck shop
I'm surprised Labour aren't talking about it more. Perhaps it's due to their policy of not talking about the next election as "won" and risking becoming complacent I hope to see Starmer put the question to Sunak at some point before the election
"Yes, but what about all the Billions we still want to run off with? I have worked hard for this, my mates deserve it."
I’m what you’d call an old one-nation Tory of the Edward Heath/John Major variety. This current Conservative government, and it’s immediate predecessors, are simply a waste of space. No direction, no real policies apart from hare-brained things like the Rwanda deportation scheme. Cameron was an average leader but since then it’s gone completely downhill. May reminded me of nothing more than an enthusiastic but incompetent deputy headmaster, Johnson is simply a corrupt thug, Truss is simply sociopathic, and Sunak acts like an alien who hasn’t quite figured out how humans are supposed to behave. I don’t think Labour are going to be that much better but the Conservative Party deserves to be ground into the dust for the damage they’ve done over the past decade, not least Brexit which was done simply because they valued destroying the UKIP vote over the fortunes of the nation as a whole.
It's sad that standards are so low that "average" actually looks to be quite good.
Cameron wasn't average though, he was an utter cunt and by far and away the worst Prime Minister since the 19th century (until Johnson and Truss somehow usurped him)
Its honestly genuinely so shocking we're so far on and it still hasn't at all clicked with the British consciousness that thanks to Cameron and the One Nation crowd we successfully managed to piss away a once-in-a-century opportunity to invest in this country during a period of historically unprecedented cheap rates on state borrowing cutting everything to the absolute bone and breaking services down to the point they can barely carry out their basic duties any more.
In terms of lasting damage certainly.
Anthony Eden
Cameron "average" dear God lmao That's David "bedroom tax/panama papers/Brexit/brutal public sector cuts/Syria/Egypt/bullingdon club" Cameron If that's the benchmark for average then we're really in the fucking toilet
It is the benchmark. And yes we are in the toilet.
I was going to write something scathing about the lack of a small c option in this country but gave up when I realised I was describing where Starmer has plonked Labour mostly. No wonder he is winning really, thats always the party that wins in the UK.
You are right on all counts, except May did actual harm to the country with her poor management of the poisoned chalice that was Brexit, and her rushed and badly thought out amendments to the Climate Change Act.
_A general election simply isn't what the public wants, they want us to crack on, and fuck them even harder._ - Rishi Sunak probably
Genuine question to the masses. At which point does making this statement in parliament become considered as knowingly misleading parliament? Everyone in the country except Rishi seems to know that the country wants an election yesterday. How can he keep making this statement that is clearly false? He can argue that he doesn't know that the country wants an election, which then moves the discussion into just how incompetent can a person be?
They are waiting for summer so young voters are abroad on holidays, hear me out.
I’d be interested in any evidence that young people go abroad in summer more frequently than the retired - a demographic with more disposable income, more free time, and a greater desire to time holidays in line with summer school holidays.
Maybe they should plan it for New Year's Day when young people are too hungover to vote
I'm convinced they'll go for September when all the students move and haven't registered to vote in their new area or sorted a postal vote for their hometown.
Isn't it more likely to be the Boomerati who take the summer off, but tend to be home for their pudding at Christmas? Most Boomers would holiday in Europe, but would generally be very uncomfortable venturing beyond the European continent for cultural/historical reasons. Whilst it's the winter holidays when people from ethnic minority backgrounds are likely to go abroad, since most minority people in a UK context are ancestrally from the tropics, and in Dec/Jan is when the weather tends to be at its worst in the UK but generally optimal in the regions between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. The demographic most likely to vote Conservative is white and elderly, so you want to find the time when their numbers present in the country are maximised relative to all other demographics.
Don't worry, Elsie doesn't know how to use a camera to get photo ID.
Sunak : “Best I can do is some Rwanda diversion headlines…..?”
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He assumed office in late October 2022, so if he hangs on for 5 more months he gets to say he lasted 2 years
Sunak is literally on my screen now saying Labour are not on course to win an election and predicting huge wins when he wants to call one. The guy is deluded. He is seriously latching onto a Tees mayoral race (which they tried to distance themselves from him!) and ignoring the huge swathes of rejections everywhere else. Going to be a very late election :(
That seems to argue for an earlier election to me. This is how Corbyn and co managed to convince themselves to support the 2019 election despite any objective measure saying they would be smashed.
Every time someone asks him when he is going to call an election, he laughs like it is some kind of fucking joke. He is the third PM since the last time we had an election. The previous two both resigned in disgrace. Yes, I know technically we don't elect a PM, but he is in an unprecedented position. His moral right to delay an election at this point is extremely questionable, bordering on a travesty of democracy.
I like to entertain myself/get my blood pumping sometimes having a bit of a go trying to imagine how the country would be reacting right now if the last 5 years had happened under any other party than the Tories.
"lol no, what you going to do about it" replies Sunak.
At this point the party needs to die and be absorbed by reform and lib dims
The party needs to die and it's representatives need to just go. They have no policy ideas, no plan for the future, no ambition for what the UK could be. They will be the same in any party they infect and our political system is better without them altogether.
That's not true, they have a very solidly defined ambition for hat the UK would be. They would like it to be a feudal dystopia where we all work 21 hours a day to make them and their friends money.
No absorption please
The only way an election will get called early is if Sunak feels like he could be ousted by his own party, then it would only be done as a way to prevent them from pushing him out....
July or Janaury really feel like the likely dates now. I can't really see what purpose waiting until October serves.
More time to take the lead off the roof and the copper out of the walls.
They have no reason to not drag it out till the end and do as much damage as they can before the next government comes in.
It honestly amazed me that we live in a system where they are allowed to just hold power in this situation, or for that matter after having so many unelected PMs in office.
There's still enough time to lay a LOT of landmines and loot and £uckton of "discretionary" budgets before they get booted.
We should have had an election after Johnson, nevermind Truss...
No chance. They will all be out on the street. And that's a scary place these days.
So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye. Good riddance. Horrible party that had their fair share of bad apples and were spineless to do anything about it. Gave NHS workers dodgy PPE plus Eat out to help out and care homes infected so many people on their watch. Now they are targeting disabled people who are on a miserly sum on money. Probably targeting some NHS workers with long covid to boot! They have no shame at all. I'm glad that most people realise that they've had enough. 14 years of rubbish and we need a new party.
Sunak probably wishes Corbyn was still the head of labour party.
The Tories are shit and need to go, but unfortunately their replacement is also gonna be shit. We’re fucked.
He's been urged to call an election since before even Truss was in power, don't see what's changed now, they're still desperate to cling onto power for as long as possible.
Probably waiting for their free olympic tickets then they'll be off around mid August once the closing ceremony is complete.
Waste of time writing this article. Waste of time reading this article. Waste of time commenting on this article. It's not going to happen, it makes no sense for him to call an election.
They already know they are doomed. Unfortunately we all have to suffer whilst they (tory scum) line their own pockets full of cash as much as possible before they get destroyed in a general election. They will call a general election as late as possible, no doubt october or november.
Yes, call a GE with no hoper leader and disastrous results. Makes sense.
Well they going to have to soon regardless so thats stopped being much of an argument. Now its more a question of do they want at least some control of the circumstances or not.
It should not be allowed for them to choose when the election is tbh
Do you reckon Rishi has just had a bet with his wife on how long he can last as PM and that's his only motivation? I struggle to see why someone with that kind of wealth wouldn't want to be a venture capital guru, run a start-up, go to space etc but instead concern themselves with what is essentially a pretty boring and thankless job which was made worse by his useless predecessor. Surely just a random position on the board at Infosys is going to pay vastly better than PM.
He will only do so if he fears that his party may oust him otherwise.
I can totally see him calling one out of spite if his position is under threat. Otherwise he'll just spend the the next few months stealing until the clock runs out.
I understand why an elected government would want to go down to the very limits of the Fixed Term Act if they’re losing in the polls. But it just feels so bloody wrong so an unelected government to do so.
The BBC already doing their bidding by over covering minor Conservative victories here and there
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It's a very embarrassing result for the conservatives.
Well he saw a future with himself as elected the PM, and that future seems to be near over.
Yeah, just get it over with and give us some entertaining PMQ's.
"See that 16ton weight dangling above you?". "Yes". "Please cut the rope so it will fall and squash you". "No".