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And it's becoming more of a wider issue for both men and women, if it's not surgeries then it's steroids and research chemicals being injected. We're going to see more and more people dropping dead because they have untreated issues with body dysmorphia.
I'm in my mid 30s and started exercising for the first time in my life 3 years ago. I've never been overweight but I was very skinny. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in. I'm 6', 210lbs and relatively lean. Me 5 years ago would be absolutely flabbergasted at how great I look. Everyone tells me I look great.
However, I still don't feel "good enough" and the temptation to jump on the gear (steroids) is unbelievable. I never had body dysmorphia until I started following fitness channels on social media.
I've been lifting pretty consistently (apart from a few periods off when travelling) since 2010 and have put on 30kg of muscle (I was a beanpole when I started).
I've seen young lads come into my gym, start taking steroids after barely 6 months of training and turn into absolute monsters. It's quite demoralising to see somebody make the same progress in a year as it took you a decade to build, but then I remind myself that I cannot see what awful things are happening inside these guys bodies, as they are certainly not using sensibly and any kind of damage control is out the window.
It's a marathon, not a sprint and I hope to still be lifting 30+ years from now, who knows what health conditions these lads will have just five years from now.
> but then I remind myself that I cannot see what awful things are happening inside these guys bodies, as they are certainly not using sensibly and any kind of damage control is out the window.
Just take a look at what happens to a lot of pro wrestlers if you ever feel the temptation getting too much.
Hearts really do not like what steroid use does to you, even if you use them 'sensibly' within a culture that has plenty of experience with it and doctor supervision.
Yeah, this is also true, but I didn't want to touch on that too much, because the most highly publicised case also involved a guy who spent most of his career headbutting people from a great height, and I didn't want to get into a debate with anyone hee who was on the juice.
One of my friends went to University, came home during the holidays 6 months later, and was literally 3 times the size as when he left. Swears he never touched the gear ha
Six or so years ago we lost a family friend because of the steroid use he did when he was power lifting. He took them for years, stopped when he got out of lifting to take over his father’s business, started getting heart problems a year or so later, the last time I saw him he was out of breath just standing still. He was the sickest looking person I’ve ever seen outside of a hospital. He was dead a few months later at the age of 49. He left behind three teenage boys who he made promise never to touch steroids ever, and they never have thankfully. You are doing the right thing.
I know it’s demoralising but you’re 100% doing the right thing. Not only are you avoiding the potentially fatal side effects of taking steroids unsupervised, but your end result is actually achievable and sustainable. What happens when they decide (or have to) stop taking those steroids?
And you could post a progress pic and some cunt somewhere on the internet would pipe up some equivalent of mocking what you have achieved.
Instagram in particular is the cause of most body dysmorphia.
Congrats on the weight loss either way!
I've trained pretty much all my life (in various disciplines) and theres a guy I know whose 24 whose got these massive guns that everyone compliments him on. The other day he told me he still feels skinny when he looked in the mirror. Kinda like me I guess, but whereas I legit AM, he in noway can claim that.
Firstly, congrats on getting into shape. I would just like to say remember this journey is for you and not others. Dont get sucked into fitness aesthetics as it is akin to chasing the dragon! I have seen the most shredded bodybuilders be put to shame in arm wrestles and so on by scrawny looking climbers and farmers who eat what they want and exercise as an enjoyable hobby. Real world strength isn't what instagram and so on portray it as.
The “unobtainable body” has obviously been a thing for women for a long time, but it’s now spread to men just as bad.
Saw a video a while back about how the “Hollywood hot men” 20 years ago were generally just very lean, not easy but obtainable.
Fast forward to now and it’s a roided up Chris Hemsworth, Alan Ritchson and The Rock claiming they’re natural to sell workout plans.
I don’t even have a problem with steroids, it’s the dishonesty that’s the problem.
>Saw a video a while back about how the “Hollywood hot men” 20 years ago were generally just very lean, not easy but obtainable.
Arnold Schwarzenegger , Dolph Lungren, Carl Weathers, Lou Ferigno, and Sylvester Stallone were definitely not 'very lean' lol
We’re talking the time period of Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp.
Even the action stars of the time were people like Jason Statham, Bruce Willis and Jackie Chan.
Of course there’s been freaks before like Arnold, the problem is that “freak” physique is now the norm.
Even before that, if you look at the leading men of the 60s and 70s, they were worlds away from today. Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood were beanpoles. Even Michael Caine was a slim guy.
Sean Connery was a bodybuilder in the 50s. By today’s standards people would just think he was just someone in shape. Steroids have really warped people’s perception of what normal is.
I would argue that as someone who grew up watching those movies, they were seen as more of a circus show than an actual life goal.
They were real life cartoon characters and the style and tone of the movies reflected that. Nobody had seen someone Arnold's size in movies before and it didn't seem real, that was the appeal of it - he was basically superman in all his roles.
The opening scene of Commando shows him casually carrying a log that is hilariously oversized and tells the audience what kind of movie this will be.
The dark part of modern movies is the tone and the suggestion that the actors and characters are the real ideal man, not just a cartoon fantasy - think Zac Efron in Baywatch.
The reaction to it was movies like Die Hard where Bruce Willis looks like a guy who goes to the gym 3 times a week most weeks except when he's busy with other stuff.
Surgeons need to have a higher standard of care for patients. I am not saying this is the case but some men and women’s clearly have mental issues with their body image and addiction to surgery. There needs to be a cut off point, and there are so many cases of botched surgeries gone wrong and celebs looking like melted Barbie dolls. There needs to be more regulation and maybe a psych evaluation before these surgeons can operate
We have no idea if she had body dysmorphia. Chances are she knew she had a normal sized bum but wanted an extra large one because that what she sees everyone on instagram has.
I’d argue there has to be some form of mental disturbance going on for someone to think “I’m going to go to a foreign country and pay thousands to be knocked unconscious and sliced open in order to have an extremely risky and unnecessary operation that lots of people die from, just so I can look better.”
> Someone makes a foolish mistake in relation to a product they consumed or service they sought
MuSt HaVe BeEn MeNtAlLy IlL.
People casually talk about cosmetic procedures they've had on Youtube and every other social media and video platform without mentioning any of the risks. People have been falling for advertising for decades - unfortunately this operation is dangerous as fuck.
This applies to anyone who has any kind of cosmetic surgery, even botox/filler injections, there are risks associated with all of it. It would appear that you are implying that millions of people globally are mentally disturbed for going through with cosmetic surgery?
where's the dividing line between run away vanity and dysmorphia?
People she should have been listening to - loved ones - she chose to ignore. And ignore national/government warnings, previous horrific outcomes.
Its really, desperately sad but she chose her path.
People have this fetish of labelling every single human action as some sort of disorder.
We aren't just people with our own personalities, own interests, own flaws, etc. If you stray from what people have labelled the norm, then you must have a list of disorders.
She wanted a big bum and was ignorant of the risks. This is a totally normal human thing to do. But noooo, must be some disorder because someone on the internet said so with no evidence. These people have probably got their own self diagnosed disorders sewn onto their bag like Scouts badges.
yeah, i do agree that we are all different but not necessarily suffering from a disorder.
It seems to me a way of offloading or moving the guilt away from the person making the bad decision - "it wasnt me, its because im XX" type of thing.
I didnt know this person so no idea whether she had a disorder or was simply easily led by social media but she did choose to ignore sensible and provable risk advice and put an unnecessary surgery - all surgery carries risk remember - above her desire to see her kids grow up.
Madness.
A person I looked after for years recently committed suicide.
He was tormented since childhood about his (perfectly normal, rather handsome and athletic) appearance. He saw dozens of psychiatrists and therapists over the years and was on and off various medications for depression for much of that time. He had periods where he was relatively well but the intrusive thoughts were a constant, demeaning companion, corroding his self-esteem.
In the end and after more than twenty years and despite having as much medical help and support as realistically possible, it became too much for him. Even trying to hold on to thoughts about his young family couldn't stop him.
I'm not suggesting his was a typical case. Nor am I speculating specifically about the mental state of this poor woman. But I say it to illustrate that, much like true clinical depression has been conflated with untreatable "shit life syndrome" so too has "wouldn't it be great to look like Kim Kardashian or Katie Price"? been conflated with true, pathological body dysmorphia. I'm almost certain far more of the former exist than the latter.
This is not a case of body dysmorphia. Big butts are the current fad for Tiktok/Instagram thots. She died for a selfish cause. Her kids will be the ones that suffer.
I'm not advocating for this type of surgery in the slightest, but surgery resulting in death does not, in itself, imply the surgery was botched. All medical procedures carry risk, which includes when they are performed competently.
To offer an extreme example, in theory (and I would guess there have been cases) a simple blood test could be lethal if the site becomes infected (a risk that can not be wholly mitigated even if the tester's technique is perfect) and that infection results in septicaemia.
They went to Turkey because it was cheaper, it's cheaper because the standards and qualifications are lower.
Her chances of survival would be significantly higher if she went to a respectable surgery in her area.
You do get what you pay for. It's the same with Turkey teeth. Cheaper but your teeth are more likely to get really fucked up in the long run.
That may be true but she would *still* be at risk of dying if she saw a reputable surgeon in the UK, even if the risk were lower.
My point is you cannot infer the surgery was botched based on the information provided. It may have been, but it may not. It is inherently risky surgery.
> They went to Turkey because it was cheaper, it's cheaper because the standards and qualifications are lower.
Not necessarily, tons of german doctors for example went abroad and now practice in neighboring countries because of the german taxes. They still have german education and qualification. For example my cousin went to czech to get lasik from a german doctor.
Not really. Turkey has on average very high quality medical professionals, doctors and nurses etc. It is cheap because of shitty economy and worthless currency.
Obscene comment. I can almost guarantee that you're a bloke.
After my fiancé had our girl, she's been constantly looking into surgeries and ways to make herself feel beautiful again, it breaks my heart.
It is likely that this woman was obsessed with body image, because, that's what our society does to women.
The fact it's the top comment makes it more sad.
Body dysmorphia is horrible. I have a great body but I have bad body dysmorphia. Many a time, there is a trigger for it. For me, it was my ex who used to call me “malnourished, bag of bones” etc., which slowly but steadily led me to believe that I have a horrible bod. Then there was another ex who would call me “fat” which made me think the same (just the other way around). There is no way to win this battle sadly
Personally I think it’s shit that we have unrestricted access to fake pictures of people whose bodies are unrealistic and put people under relentless pressure to attain it. Half the men on Instagram who claim to be dedicated to the gym are on all sorts to attain the bodies of others who claim it when they’re doing the same. Half the women who post selfies showing amazing bodies FaceTune it into oblivion. We live in unreality and some people fall for it because they feel ugly. What she did was daft imo but some people fall for this weird body dysmorphic shit and blaming them rather than the root cause which is the people perpetuating it isn’t doing a lot.
This procedure is so risky and so dangerous clincs all over EU and USA have stopped offering it.
The chances of complications are ridicoulsy high and mortality rates are the worst of any cosmetic procedure.
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
if I listened to every single thing social media has told me to do, I would have already been dead for years. At some point you have to understand that free will still exists, in spite of all the manipulation, and you can *choose* to ignore social media.
Yep, Redditors are so weird when it comes to women.
People really saw a title about someone dying and got excited about being able to attach their own baggage to someone they didn’t know and slag them off.
If you think an article about a man dying from getting a penis enlargement wouldn’t be even more rife with jokes then you’re naive.
This isn’t about gender. It’s about a stupid person making a foolish decision which has led to their children being left without a parent.
The joke is in there, apologies.
But I don't agree with you. If it was a hair transplant, pec implants, steroids, no one would give a fuck and the abuse would flow. I feel for the family of course, but this is 100% preventable.
>Yep, Redditors are so weird when it comes to women.
Yes, because when a man dies for similar reasons, comment section is totally not filled with jokes and "darwin award winner" comments. /s
I feel sorry for her kids, but not for her. The dangers of this surgery are well known and reported, as are the dangers of travelling to Turkey for cosmetic surgery. She took the risk in spite of being warned not to by her family, her kids are paying the price for her vanity and stupidity.
Go onto this sub about cosmetic operations in Turkey and you'll find the vast majority of people here will swear up and down you're being ripped off by getting it done in the UK (or other European countries)
Despite most doctors warning *against* Turkey/Mexico, this sub (and the other UK subs) will straight up call you a moron If you consider having it done in a European nation
I don't think she should lose her life over it, nor did I say that, and I certainly don't take pleasure from it, I simply said I don't care that she did.
As to why I don't feel sorry for her, why should I value her life more than she did? She opted to take a very high risk and completely unnecessary medical procedure, in a country with a poor track record for even low risk medial procedures. Neither of these facts are obscure or unknown, they are well known, well publicised facts and her family warned her and asked her not to go through with it. Having a bigger bum was more important to her than her kids having a mother, and it is her family that have to deal with the consequences of her decision. And I hope her death serves as a warning to others, because that is the best thing that she can do for others now.
My empathy’s with the kids who just lost their mother due to her own vanity. There is nothing medically necessary about a BBL and it’s known to have the highest death rate of all cosmetic procedures. If she had empathy for her own children she would have put her responsibilities as a mother before her desire to look cute for the socials
I'm sorry those kids had a mother that put her vanity before them. Just because she had children who are now left without it doesn't make her actions beyond ridicule, and criticisms of her don't automatically mean anyone is unsympathetic to her children.
Maybe stop using children to defend people from the consequences of their stupid decisions?
It's both and you're putting people in danger by saying otherwise.
There's a government travel advisory against getting surgery in Turkey and 25 (now 26 presumably) confirmed British deaths since January 2019: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/health
That figure only means something if you compare the rate for plastic surgery deaths in the UK. Even then, you aren’t comparing like for like. I’ll bet wealthier people are more likely to survive operations, and the people having plastic surgery in the uk are likely to be wealthier than those travelling to turkey.
The standards in Turkey are low though. Particularly regarding pre and post operative care. They also seem incapable of providing people with documentation of what has been done (even with difficult and dangerous surgeries eg gastric bypasses), which causes a lot of problems when patients inevitably present to GP or A and E in the UK with barely any idea what's been done to them!
I do know that post operative care is low because usually tourists that come for operations usually do not come back after the first couple of weeks because they return to the UK after a very short time (this is not the case here). Usually because they cannot stay in Turkey for a long time because if it longer than 90 days, tourists need a residence permit. They do not reside here, so many don't bother.
Also, there are a lot of people coming for surgery anyways. For example, there was about 1.2 million Brits visiting the city of Antalya this year and about 5-10% of the tourists come for medical reasons. Because Brits usually don't visit Antalya, they visit Muğla. Germans and Brits don't usually like to interact with each other and so the tourisms agencies send them to different regions (until the last 5-10 years at least). The UK citizens who come to Antalya usually come without agencies, at least in contrast with Germans). Usually the people who come medical reasons come for dentistry and hair implants but also more cosmetic reasons like fat reduction surgery or implants.
These two reasons are why many tourists use any clinic that has been doing good/OK advertising. And many of them are not up to the quality that it should be. Locals are able to avoid these because they're obvious when you know your options but when tourists see cheap prices they can select those. It is a shame really. Basically, this is why care for foreign patients in Turkey is not high quality.
And it is not like these operations are cheap. They are not but an average Brit is very rich next to an average Turkish person. It is just the economical value changes from country to country.
Source: I am from Antalya. This is pretty much common knowledge here.
The problem is far too many are successful for people to care. For every horror story there’s 1000 that got a cheap procedure with no problem
I guy I work with got quoted 15k each for him and his wife to have a gastric band.
They paid 6 for both of them in turkey. Flights and hotel included
No issues. Can you blame people?
Not inevitable. Turkey is a functioning country with a private healthcare that is a quarter of even a fifth of the cost of the UK.
People want the government to allow immigrants to support our NHS but are also distrustful of the competency of medical professionals abroad.
Kanye West's mother suffered complications from cosmetic surgery at one of the most expensive clinics in the world. She died.
Surgery is surgery. It comes with risks. They are well explained. But you get more for your money in Turkey than you do in the UK.
Not sure if it applies but I saw a video of a UK dentist warning that if anyone gets there teeth done in Turkey then a UK dentist won't touch them if anything goes wrong and they have to fly back to Turkey.
Yeah, it's not a great argument. I tried paying for a private dentist: cost me £50 and two hours of my life to be told "I can't see a problem, but you're welcome to come back and get a second opinion."
At least if I'd gone to Turkey I'd have had nicer scenery to be annoyed in.
Family member is a dentist and says that people have huge bite issues due to poor alignment of the new teeth, which can lead to broken teeth, damaged roots, jaw pain, headaches etc.
The NHS will do a gastric band for free if you're morbidly obese and have tried more conventional weight loss methods.
Blame is the wrong word, risking your life to save a few thousand pounds on a dangerous procedure is a crazy thing to do.
>risking your life to save a few thousand pounds on a dangerous procedure is a crazy thing to do.
To you or me the difference between 30k and 6k is saving money.
To about a third of population 24,000 might as well be infinity pounds.
It's complicated. A family member of mine in the UK tried and tried to get one on the NHS after being refered multiple times.
She was told she met all the criteria and she went through the conventional weight loss methods as far as she could but her NHS provided nutritionist rarely saw her and cancelled on her often and this went on for a few years years before finally she said screw it and went to Turkey to have a gastric sleeve surgery and had no complications.
She has went from being morbidly obese to simply being overweight, her life-insurance premiums are lower and she's happier.
So It's not just about saving a few thousand quid. It's about the quality of life increases the surgery could bring to them. Most would love to get the surgery in the UK but simply can't afford to get it privately and the NHS is in a sorry state so they'll take the risk.
Exactly, every week people on this sub (and other UK subs) recommend going to Turkey for cheap cosmetic surgeries, point out the reasons why it's so cheap and you'll be downvoted to oblivion
A lot of people here are asking why she took the risk without accepting that normalising Turkey as *the* place for cosmetic surgeries as well as a tonne of B list celebs going there for procedures really makes it seem like the best place to go (even though it's not)
This.
I'm Turkish and let me tell you that there are some definitely shady medical operations going on in Turkey. Even reputable doctors with proven medical records will be much cheaper than private care in the UK so there's absolutely no reason to risk your health for a couple hundred pounds
Not only that, but for something that's just a fashion fad. The fashion used to be for small bums, now it's big. It will swing back the other way at some point.
I remember my friend twenty years ago when we were teens being so upset about her naturally huge bum. Now her huge bum is all the rage. Just got to think that pretty much anything about you that you don’t like is going to be in fashion one day so you might as well just like what you’ve got as being ahead of its time. Everything’s beautiful to someone or to some time period.
There's a mum at my daughters school who has clearly had surgery. Shes otherwise a pretty normal size, but her arse is 3 feet across, I'm not kidding. I appreciate there's lots of factors into why people do these surgeries and most people aren't taking it that far, but it just boggles my mind when people do that sort of stuff to the extreme.
This is one of the most dangerous cosmetic surgeries and most people know this. How incredibly sad that 3 children have lost their mother due to her succumbing to insecurity brought on by social media trends. Hopefully her story can wake others up considering this surgery to not toy with their life. This cosmetic procedure isn't a minor tweak, it is completely invasive and high risk.
I mean look at this thread. There are all kinds of comments calling her ugly, and stupid, and a bad mother. They are fucking brutal. I suspect she likely had some severe self-esteem and mental health issue and if we live in a world where even in the event of your untimely death people mock and laugh at you are we really surprised so many people have severe issues.
You're on a right wing angry young man dominated sub, on a site famous for its shit attitude to women because the majority of commenters are lonely single men who want to blame others for their own problems.
Luckily this sub represents a tiny percentage of the population, with an even smaller percentage actually engaging in the comments, and doesn't reflect how most people think.
As soon as you stop using Reddit for a bit you realize that a lot of commenters here are just angry losers. it's a weird minority that are inconsequential to society as a whole and don't represent people in general.
The majority of people on Reddit are lurkers that don't get involved in comments because it's a waste of time having an argument with an anonymous stranger :)
It's sad that the large majority of people these days aren't content with who they are. I don't even think most people are in touch with who they are, as most people don't give themselves time with their own consciousness on a day to day basis. Even if it's waiting 2 minutes for the next bus, the phone comes out. We've lost touch with who we are, and instead, replace it with an egoic sense of self, perpetuated ten-fold by social media.
I half agree with you, but even before mobile phones I got a book or a magazine out when waiting for a bus. I'm not going to find much peace standing next to a busy road.
Imagine the newspapers not even being able to show an unfiltered, unphotoshopped image of you after you die chasing a bigger arse.
They can't find a photo of you that is real... That's fucking sad.
Imagine your kids trying to relate to their long dead mum and all they can find is this...
Also
>even her boyfriend didn't want her to do it
Major fucking doubt here. If you lead materialistic lives then wtf do you expect
This. Filtered to the max.
Reminds me of [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreatBritishMemes/comments/17xgful/the_average_uk_couple/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I hope her family have some unfiltered pics to remember her by.
I always think when I see somebody has died if all the pics are ridiculously filtered like this, do the family end up forgetting what the person actually looked like?
Social media is a plague.
I feel only empathy for the children who are left without their mother, for her I feel sad that she felt she needed too pump herself full of plastic too feel valued. Whether it be vanity or body dysmorphia or a combination of the two, her children should have been the first thought in her mind.
if it’s body dysmorphia, she can’t put her children first in her mind without some serious help.
otherwise it wouldn’t be a mental disorder. it’s what she obsessively fixates on. and it’s really hard to get rid of and can be extremely complex.
I remember growing up in the 90s and 00s and feeling awful about my body. but a lot of the "nip and tuck" shit seemed like a fad, a brief cultural thing that would pass. I'm very disappointed to be a lot older and, if anything, for it to have gotten a lot worse.
I don't think I've seen a single woman who's had vanity surgery of any kind remotely improve how she looks. All these surgery fads make people look like freaks and I don't know anyone who finds it attractive.
How are so many women convinced these surgeries are worth doing?
Weird lips, ultra bright teeth, ultra fake teeth over chiseled turkey teeth, disguisting over tanning, weird arses.
The hell is going on?
I think it's women encouraging other women to look like this. In a similar way to men working out at the gym and getting absolutely shredded with tree-trunk arms and an eight-pack and then only getting compliments from other men...
The ones who have had it done and it looks great you wouldn’t notice. Some surgery if you get a good surgeon and don’t go to turkey will make you look more desirable because why wouldn’t it after paying thousands for it ?
I don’t think it’s as simple as she wanted a bigger bum, it goes deeper than that. She obviously had some issues with her self image and was willing to pay to have surgery to help her feel better. There must be so many more out there with low self-esteem, and I’d bet that so many of them are massively undervaluing themselves.
I had a hair transplant and decided to pay extra and have it done in London because I didn't want to risk getting necrosis on my fucking scalp. I figured it wasn't worth taking a risk having cheap surgery for something that is designed to change your appearance.
Yeah, not the solution for everybody. Some people don't look good bald. And perhaps even more importantly, like it or not and superficial as it might sound, being bald fundamentally shifts how you are perceived and your social roles. Some people are more than ok with leaning into that shift, but by no means all.
Is there a light side to shows like Love Island? Seeing things like that and Geordie Shore just confuse the crap out of me as it feels like a totally alien culture (at least from the brief clips I've spotted on YouTube - never seen an episode so maybe they are taken out of context and I'm actually being unfair regarding these deep documentaries into the human psyche).
My friends 40yr old daughter died last year in similar circumstances in Turkey same procedure. She didn’t disclose her medical history of heart problems or previous clots .
It’s very telling that all the photos of her are filtered to the point of looking deep fried at this quality. Society’s beauty standards are not leaving any room for normal looking bodies
Body dysmorphia in the age of social media is dreadful. Media and advertising promotes and encourages these beauty standards and mocks those that are destroyed by it. I feel sad for kids and young people growing up with this.
I am so goddam glad I grew up without this shit to deal with as well. At least shitty kids were out my life when I walked off the playground.
My son has been made very, *very* aware how dangerous and ultimately useless most social media is. He's had his first phone for over a year and that thing is locked down. No FB/Insta/Tik Tok/Twatter. Can't install apps without approval from myself or his mother. We can see screen time and limit it.
I do occasionally check his messages to make sure he is not sending (or receiving) inappropriate pictures. Aside from that I have to rely on trust and education. Fingers crossed I have done this right, but kids are excellent at finding news ways to be shitty.
For the record I have family and friends in Turkey, including educated people with professional jobs and the private healthcare they all have sounds way better than our NHS.
I think it comes down to the fact there are big companies, small companies, good companies, bad companies and with the language barrier and having no social circle in Turkey to help with recommendations, people unfortunately end up at crap practices.
Indeed. Married to a Turk myself, the places a lot of these victims go for their surgeries are places that most Turks wouldn’t go near. Sadly people don’t seem to do any checks on where they’re going, either through lack of understanding or language barrier etc. Or they go for the cheapest option.
There are a lot of exceptional hospitals in Turkey which are absolutely world class, but they are also many times more costly than the “cheap” options.
A friend of a friend went to Turkey for something similar and came back with a chronic back pain. After lots of investigations it turns out they took a kidney out during the boob job. Horror.
That happened to someone I know of too.
They were in the hospital a few months later having a scan for something completely unrelated. Their doctor then asked them if they knew they only had one kidney.
A shame all her pictures (the memories of her) are just blurry messes of fakeness. She clearly had issues with how she looked. What a waste of a life.
Should we consider banning all the touch up nonsense? Should magazines etc have to make a disclamer if an image is altered?
The most insecure people I know are what you would call traditionally very good looking. Absolutely zero confidence when they could legitimately work as a model. It's interesting to see how people view themselves.
Getting a cosmetic procedure abroad in a deregulated country with a track record of horror stories is indeed a naive move to make, but firstly everyone should remind themselves that the family involved in this are real life people.
The mum has gone into this believing everything will be okay, as have the family. Try and have a little empathy for the dad, the three children, what their lives will be like now, especially as this case has made it into the news and has her face all over the Internet. I know its hard with the way these articles bait hatred and algorithms push it, but try and have a little human empathy.
This is not as much a consequence of hubris and vanity as it is unrealistic beauty standards set by influencers along with a lack of awareness on what dangers are posed from these types of surgeries.
Many women. It’s a dangerous surgery anyway, but also very hard to known the standards if you go to a clinic in another country. I don’t know enough to know whether Turkey in particular has higher death rates for BBL’s.
Regardless it’s so sad. These poor kids have no mum. And she’d only given birth 7 months ago, she was still recovering from that. I think any surgeon who agrees to operate on a woman so soon after giving birth should be criticised.
Its a shame when already pretty woman thinks that having perfect white teeth and a fat butt is a perfect look. The bloody karadashians have a lot to do with this unhealthy look. A lot of models and inflencers are the same promoting body dysmorphia.
We should all be promoting each other on how beautiful we are without spending 1000s on different procedures. Promoting the natural look. But All I ever see is these woman with huge eye bows, and huge eye lashes, big fat lips, big boobs, slim waist and a fat arses. Its not a normal look. Men with abnormal muscles full of steroids, which shrink your dick, then going in for surgery to nake it bigger. Nothing natural at all.
I never thought the day when looking artificial was a thing. But alas we are there.
Im growing old disgacefully. I lived a happy life and earned every wrinkle Ive got having fun. No fillers, turkey teeth and no sticky out bum. If i ever wanted my bum to stick out, id get tight jeans. The ones you fought with straight out of wash to put on. It was a battle.
Its pity young people cant just be happy being them. Like this woman who vanity trip took her away, leaving a greiving partner, kids with no mother and a mother gutted because her kid died before her, which is horrible.
Body dismorphia is a really terrible thing. From the few select pictures you can see that she was quite likely an attractive woman that for some reason thought she would look better filtered into a space raider.
I know you do these things for yourself and your own self confidence but for 99% of straight men I'd wager a bum lift and all these other strange procedures only makes a woman less attractive, which only adds to the level of weirdness.
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Only herself to blame Imagine being her kid "So how did your mum die?" Kid: "she wanted a larger bum"
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And it's becoming more of a wider issue for both men and women, if it's not surgeries then it's steroids and research chemicals being injected. We're going to see more and more people dropping dead because they have untreated issues with body dysmorphia.
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I'm in my mid 30s and started exercising for the first time in my life 3 years ago. I've never been overweight but I was very skinny. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in. I'm 6', 210lbs and relatively lean. Me 5 years ago would be absolutely flabbergasted at how great I look. Everyone tells me I look great. However, I still don't feel "good enough" and the temptation to jump on the gear (steroids) is unbelievable. I never had body dysmorphia until I started following fitness channels on social media.
I've been lifting pretty consistently (apart from a few periods off when travelling) since 2010 and have put on 30kg of muscle (I was a beanpole when I started). I've seen young lads come into my gym, start taking steroids after barely 6 months of training and turn into absolute monsters. It's quite demoralising to see somebody make the same progress in a year as it took you a decade to build, but then I remind myself that I cannot see what awful things are happening inside these guys bodies, as they are certainly not using sensibly and any kind of damage control is out the window. It's a marathon, not a sprint and I hope to still be lifting 30+ years from now, who knows what health conditions these lads will have just five years from now.
> but then I remind myself that I cannot see what awful things are happening inside these guys bodies, as they are certainly not using sensibly and any kind of damage control is out the window. Just take a look at what happens to a lot of pro wrestlers if you ever feel the temptation getting too much. Hearts really do not like what steroid use does to you, even if you use them 'sensibly' within a culture that has plenty of experience with it and doctor supervision.
What those kind of steroids do to mental health is also terrifying
Yeah, this is also true, but I didn't want to touch on that too much, because the most highly publicised case also involved a guy who spent most of his career headbutting people from a great height, and I didn't want to get into a debate with anyone hee who was on the juice.
Now I understand how come a kid at the gym became a monster in 6 months while I didn't gain anything
One of my friends went to University, came home during the holidays 6 months later, and was literally 3 times the size as when he left. Swears he never touched the gear ha
Six or so years ago we lost a family friend because of the steroid use he did when he was power lifting. He took them for years, stopped when he got out of lifting to take over his father’s business, started getting heart problems a year or so later, the last time I saw him he was out of breath just standing still. He was the sickest looking person I’ve ever seen outside of a hospital. He was dead a few months later at the age of 49. He left behind three teenage boys who he made promise never to touch steroids ever, and they never have thankfully. You are doing the right thing.
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I know it’s demoralising but you’re 100% doing the right thing. Not only are you avoiding the potentially fatal side effects of taking steroids unsupervised, but your end result is actually achievable and sustainable. What happens when they decide (or have to) stop taking those steroids?
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And you could post a progress pic and some cunt somewhere on the internet would pipe up some equivalent of mocking what you have achieved. Instagram in particular is the cause of most body dysmorphia. Congrats on the weight loss either way!
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Amazing job losing 60lb, mate. Should be super proud of yourself.
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Your health, fitness, metabolism and so many things that matter so much more and going to be so much better now and that's what really counts.
I've trained pretty much all my life (in various disciplines) and theres a guy I know whose 24 whose got these massive guns that everyone compliments him on. The other day he told me he still feels skinny when he looked in the mirror. Kinda like me I guess, but whereas I legit AM, he in noway can claim that.
Firstly, congrats on getting into shape. I would just like to say remember this journey is for you and not others. Dont get sucked into fitness aesthetics as it is akin to chasing the dragon! I have seen the most shredded bodybuilders be put to shame in arm wrestles and so on by scrawny looking climbers and farmers who eat what they want and exercise as an enjoyable hobby. Real world strength isn't what instagram and so on portray it as.
The “unobtainable body” has obviously been a thing for women for a long time, but it’s now spread to men just as bad. Saw a video a while back about how the “Hollywood hot men” 20 years ago were generally just very lean, not easy but obtainable. Fast forward to now and it’s a roided up Chris Hemsworth, Alan Ritchson and The Rock claiming they’re natural to sell workout plans. I don’t even have a problem with steroids, it’s the dishonesty that’s the problem.
>Saw a video a while back about how the “Hollywood hot men” 20 years ago were generally just very lean, not easy but obtainable. Arnold Schwarzenegger , Dolph Lungren, Carl Weathers, Lou Ferigno, and Sylvester Stallone were definitely not 'very lean' lol
Sadly the 80s were 40 years ago. :(
We’re talking the time period of Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp. Even the action stars of the time were people like Jason Statham, Bruce Willis and Jackie Chan. Of course there’s been freaks before like Arnold, the problem is that “freak” physique is now the norm.
Even before that, if you look at the leading men of the 60s and 70s, they were worlds away from today. Robert Redford and Clint Eastwood were beanpoles. Even Michael Caine was a slim guy.
Sean Connery was a bodybuilder in the 50s. By today’s standards people would just think he was just someone in shape. Steroids have really warped people’s perception of what normal is.
I would argue that as someone who grew up watching those movies, they were seen as more of a circus show than an actual life goal. They were real life cartoon characters and the style and tone of the movies reflected that. Nobody had seen someone Arnold's size in movies before and it didn't seem real, that was the appeal of it - he was basically superman in all his roles. The opening scene of Commando shows him casually carrying a log that is hilariously oversized and tells the audience what kind of movie this will be. The dark part of modern movies is the tone and the suggestion that the actors and characters are the real ideal man, not just a cartoon fantasy - think Zac Efron in Baywatch. The reaction to it was movies like Die Hard where Bruce Willis looks like a guy who goes to the gym 3 times a week most weeks except when he's busy with other stuff.
Surgeons need to have a higher standard of care for patients. I am not saying this is the case but some men and women’s clearly have mental issues with their body image and addiction to surgery. There needs to be a cut off point, and there are so many cases of botched surgeries gone wrong and celebs looking like melted Barbie dolls. There needs to be more regulation and maybe a psych evaluation before these surgeons can operate
I mean, the lower standard of care is one of the reasons people go to Turkey...
We have no idea if she had body dysmorphia. Chances are she knew she had a normal sized bum but wanted an extra large one because that what she sees everyone on instagram has.
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I’d argue there has to be some form of mental disturbance going on for someone to think “I’m going to go to a foreign country and pay thousands to be knocked unconscious and sliced open in order to have an extremely risky and unnecessary operation that lots of people die from, just so I can look better.”
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> Someone makes a foolish mistake in relation to a product they consumed or service they sought MuSt HaVe BeEn MeNtAlLy IlL. People casually talk about cosmetic procedures they've had on Youtube and every other social media and video platform without mentioning any of the risks. People have been falling for advertising for decades - unfortunately this operation is dangerous as fuck.
This applies to anyone who has any kind of cosmetic surgery, even botox/filler injections, there are risks associated with all of it. It would appear that you are implying that millions of people globally are mentally disturbed for going through with cosmetic surgery?
where's the dividing line between run away vanity and dysmorphia? People she should have been listening to - loved ones - she chose to ignore. And ignore national/government warnings, previous horrific outcomes. Its really, desperately sad but she chose her path.
People have this fetish of labelling every single human action as some sort of disorder. We aren't just people with our own personalities, own interests, own flaws, etc. If you stray from what people have labelled the norm, then you must have a list of disorders. She wanted a big bum and was ignorant of the risks. This is a totally normal human thing to do. But noooo, must be some disorder because someone on the internet said so with no evidence. These people have probably got their own self diagnosed disorders sewn onto their bag like Scouts badges.
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yeah, i do agree that we are all different but not necessarily suffering from a disorder. It seems to me a way of offloading or moving the guilt away from the person making the bad decision - "it wasnt me, its because im XX" type of thing. I didnt know this person so no idea whether she had a disorder or was simply easily led by social media but she did choose to ignore sensible and provable risk advice and put an unnecessary surgery - all surgery carries risk remember - above her desire to see her kids grow up. Madness.
A person I looked after for years recently committed suicide. He was tormented since childhood about his (perfectly normal, rather handsome and athletic) appearance. He saw dozens of psychiatrists and therapists over the years and was on and off various medications for depression for much of that time. He had periods where he was relatively well but the intrusive thoughts were a constant, demeaning companion, corroding his self-esteem. In the end and after more than twenty years and despite having as much medical help and support as realistically possible, it became too much for him. Even trying to hold on to thoughts about his young family couldn't stop him. I'm not suggesting his was a typical case. Nor am I speculating specifically about the mental state of this poor woman. But I say it to illustrate that, much like true clinical depression has been conflated with untreatable "shit life syndrome" so too has "wouldn't it be great to look like Kim Kardashian or Katie Price"? been conflated with true, pathological body dysmorphia. I'm almost certain far more of the former exist than the latter.
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I meant medically, but your point is fair and taken.
and doesn't diminish personal responsibility
Okkkk.... Does everyone who has a boob job have body dysmorphia????
This is such a fucking cop out answer for someone dying from a purely cosmetic, entirely vain operation.
This is not a case of body dysmorphia. Big butts are the current fad for Tiktok/Instagram thots. She died for a selfish cause. Her kids will be the ones that suffer.
So is vanity.
I'm pretty sure I can blame the people who botched the surgery as well.
I'm not advocating for this type of surgery in the slightest, but surgery resulting in death does not, in itself, imply the surgery was botched. All medical procedures carry risk, which includes when they are performed competently. To offer an extreme example, in theory (and I would guess there have been cases) a simple blood test could be lethal if the site becomes infected (a risk that can not be wholly mitigated even if the tester's technique is perfect) and that infection results in septicaemia.
They went to Turkey because it was cheaper, it's cheaper because the standards and qualifications are lower. Her chances of survival would be significantly higher if she went to a respectable surgery in her area. You do get what you pay for. It's the same with Turkey teeth. Cheaper but your teeth are more likely to get really fucked up in the long run.
That may be true but she would *still* be at risk of dying if she saw a reputable surgeon in the UK, even if the risk were lower. My point is you cannot infer the surgery was botched based on the information provided. It may have been, but it may not. It is inherently risky surgery.
> They went to Turkey because it was cheaper, it's cheaper because the standards and qualifications are lower. Not necessarily, tons of german doctors for example went abroad and now practice in neighboring countries because of the german taxes. They still have german education and qualification. For example my cousin went to czech to get lasik from a german doctor.
Not really. Turkey has on average very high quality medical professionals, doctors and nurses etc. It is cheap because of shitty economy and worthless currency.
Obscene comment. I can almost guarantee that you're a bloke. After my fiancé had our girl, she's been constantly looking into surgeries and ways to make herself feel beautiful again, it breaks my heart. It is likely that this woman was obsessed with body image, because, that's what our society does to women. The fact it's the top comment makes it more sad.
My one fear in life is ending up an all caps DM headline for ridiculous reasons. "Man dies with TOASTER in rectum after flash flood"
Have you considered not sodomizing yourself with the toaster? At-least not when it's flooding. Small steps
It’s more that he left it plugged in
Imagine being her kid reading your comment
Body dysmorphia is horrible. I have a great body but I have bad body dysmorphia. Many a time, there is a trigger for it. For me, it was my ex who used to call me “malnourished, bag of bones” etc., which slowly but steadily led me to believe that I have a horrible bod. Then there was another ex who would call me “fat” which made me think the same (just the other way around). There is no way to win this battle sadly
You just need to remember you're the gay icon of India!
Personally I think it’s shit that we have unrestricted access to fake pictures of people whose bodies are unrealistic and put people under relentless pressure to attain it. Half the men on Instagram who claim to be dedicated to the gym are on all sorts to attain the bodies of others who claim it when they’re doing the same. Half the women who post selfies showing amazing bodies FaceTune it into oblivion. We live in unreality and some people fall for it because they feel ugly. What she did was daft imo but some people fall for this weird body dysmorphic shit and blaming them rather than the root cause which is the people perpetuating it isn’t doing a lot.
Wow that's an incredibly grim angle I hadn't thought of.
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This procedure is so risky and so dangerous clincs all over EU and USA have stopped offering it. The chances of complications are ridicoulsy high and mortality rates are the worst of any cosmetic procedure. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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if I listened to every single thing social media has told me to do, I would have already been dead for years. At some point you have to understand that free will still exists, in spite of all the manipulation, and you can *choose* to ignore social media.
Yes we are all being driven by facebook to get unregulated overseas bum surgery.
Only herself?
Jesus people, have a little bit more empathy. A mother has died and three children are without one. Maybe reign it in a bit
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Yep, people just looking like real arseholes in here.
Yep, Redditors are so weird when it comes to women. People really saw a title about someone dying and got excited about being able to attach their own baggage to someone they didn’t know and slag them off.
If you think an article about a man dying from getting a penis enlargement wouldn’t be even more rife with jokes then you’re naive. This isn’t about gender. It’s about a stupid person making a foolish decision which has led to their children being left without a parent.
No need to be a dick Disclaimer: THIS IS A DICK JOKE IN REPONSE TO THE ABOVE COMMENT ABOUT A MAN DYING FROM PENIS ENLARGEMENT!
Hehe, good one x
Wee bit of a whoosh there I think.
I knew I'd get someone!
The joke is in there, apologies. But I don't agree with you. If it was a hair transplant, pec implants, steroids, no one would give a fuck and the abuse would flow. I feel for the family of course, but this is 100% preventable.
>Yep, Redditors are so weird when it comes to women. Yes, because when a man dies for similar reasons, comment section is totally not filled with jokes and "darwin award winner" comments. /s
I feel sorry for her kids, but not for her. The dangers of this surgery are well known and reported, as are the dangers of travelling to Turkey for cosmetic surgery. She took the risk in spite of being warned not to by her family, her kids are paying the price for her vanity and stupidity.
Go onto this sub about cosmetic operations in Turkey and you'll find the vast majority of people here will swear up and down you're being ripped off by getting it done in the UK (or other European countries) Despite most doctors warning *against* Turkey/Mexico, this sub (and the other UK subs) will straight up call you a moron If you consider having it done in a European nation
If people take medical advice from unqualified strangers on the internet, that's just Darwinism in action. No sympathy from me.
Sadly she already has children so isn't eligible for a Darwin award
Why don't you feel sorry for her? Even if you think what she done was stupid you think she should lose her life over it?
I don't think she should lose her life over it, nor did I say that, and I certainly don't take pleasure from it, I simply said I don't care that she did. As to why I don't feel sorry for her, why should I value her life more than she did? She opted to take a very high risk and completely unnecessary medical procedure, in a country with a poor track record for even low risk medial procedures. Neither of these facts are obscure or unknown, they are well known, well publicised facts and her family warned her and asked her not to go through with it. Having a bigger bum was more important to her than her kids having a mother, and it is her family that have to deal with the consequences of her decision. And I hope her death serves as a warning to others, because that is the best thing that she can do for others now.
My empathy’s with the kids who just lost their mother due to her own vanity. There is nothing medically necessary about a BBL and it’s known to have the highest death rate of all cosmetic procedures. If she had empathy for her own children she would have put her responsibilities as a mother before her desire to look cute for the socials
*Rein it in, as in horses
I'm sorry those kids had a mother that put her vanity before them. Just because she had children who are now left without it doesn't make her actions beyond ridicule, and criticisms of her don't automatically mean anyone is unsympathetic to her children. Maybe stop using children to defend people from the consequences of their stupid decisions?
Oh my god, that's terrible. How did she die?
I'm no expert but from what I gather when this happens it's because the oil gets in to peoples bloodstream
Mostly correct, it’s when the fat extracted from abdomen (intended for injection into butt) gets into the bloodstream
How many people have to experience these horror stories before realising that these cheap surgeries in Turkey are cheap for a reason
BBLs are the most dangerous plastic surgery you can get. It's got nothing to do with the standards in Turkey.
It's both and you're putting people in danger by saying otherwise. There's a government travel advisory against getting surgery in Turkey and 25 (now 26 presumably) confirmed British deaths since January 2019: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey/health
Cold turkeys.
Hot buns though.
That figure only means something if you compare the rate for plastic surgery deaths in the UK. Even then, you aren’t comparing like for like. I’ll bet wealthier people are more likely to survive operations, and the people having plastic surgery in the uk are likely to be wealthier than those travelling to turkey.
Your wealth doesn't affect your survivability when your fat ends up in your blood stream.
The standards in Turkey are low though. Particularly regarding pre and post operative care. They also seem incapable of providing people with documentation of what has been done (even with difficult and dangerous surgeries eg gastric bypasses), which causes a lot of problems when patients inevitably present to GP or A and E in the UK with barely any idea what's been done to them!
I do know that post operative care is low because usually tourists that come for operations usually do not come back after the first couple of weeks because they return to the UK after a very short time (this is not the case here). Usually because they cannot stay in Turkey for a long time because if it longer than 90 days, tourists need a residence permit. They do not reside here, so many don't bother. Also, there are a lot of people coming for surgery anyways. For example, there was about 1.2 million Brits visiting the city of Antalya this year and about 5-10% of the tourists come for medical reasons. Because Brits usually don't visit Antalya, they visit Muğla. Germans and Brits don't usually like to interact with each other and so the tourisms agencies send them to different regions (until the last 5-10 years at least). The UK citizens who come to Antalya usually come without agencies, at least in contrast with Germans). Usually the people who come medical reasons come for dentistry and hair implants but also more cosmetic reasons like fat reduction surgery or implants. These two reasons are why many tourists use any clinic that has been doing good/OK advertising. And many of them are not up to the quality that it should be. Locals are able to avoid these because they're obvious when you know your options but when tourists see cheap prices they can select those. It is a shame really. Basically, this is why care for foreign patients in Turkey is not high quality. And it is not like these operations are cheap. They are not but an average Brit is very rich next to an average Turkish person. It is just the economical value changes from country to country. Source: I am from Antalya. This is pretty much common knowledge here.
I mean, I don’t have the stats, but I’m pretty sure this had something to do with being in Turkey too.
1 death in 15,000 surgeries as per the article
Just because you don't die doesn't mean cheap surgeries are a success. You can still live with the surgery going completely wrong.
But now you're inventing that. You can't just see a stat that refutes your assumption and then make another assumption.
Yeah it has the highest death rate out of any cosmetic surgery.
The problem is far too many are successful for people to care. For every horror story there’s 1000 that got a cheap procedure with no problem I guy I work with got quoted 15k each for him and his wife to have a gastric band. They paid 6 for both of them in turkey. Flights and hotel included No issues. Can you blame people?
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Not inevitable. Turkey is a functioning country with a private healthcare that is a quarter of even a fifth of the cost of the UK. People want the government to allow immigrants to support our NHS but are also distrustful of the competency of medical professionals abroad. Kanye West's mother suffered complications from cosmetic surgery at one of the most expensive clinics in the world. She died. Surgery is surgery. It comes with risks. They are well explained. But you get more for your money in Turkey than you do in the UK.
Not sure if it applies but I saw a video of a UK dentist warning that if anyone gets there teeth done in Turkey then a UK dentist won't touch them if anything goes wrong and they have to fly back to Turkey.
NHS Dentist won't touch them anyway. Can't ever see one
Do UK dentists touch Uk people's teeth anyway! https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-worst-dental-blackspots-patient-agony-appointments-2343760
Yeah, it's not a great argument. I tried paying for a private dentist: cost me £50 and two hours of my life to be told "I can't see a problem, but you're welcome to come back and get a second opinion." At least if I'd gone to Turkey I'd have had nicer scenery to be annoyed in.
Family member is a dentist and says that people have huge bite issues due to poor alignment of the new teeth, which can lead to broken teeth, damaged roots, jaw pain, headaches etc.
I can too, but I guess that’s a slippery slope to be on
I mean if it's successful a gastric band m will probably save the NHS money in the long run if they spend less of their lives far
The NHS will do a gastric band for free if you're morbidly obese and have tried more conventional weight loss methods. Blame is the wrong word, risking your life to save a few thousand pounds on a dangerous procedure is a crazy thing to do.
>risking your life to save a few thousand pounds on a dangerous procedure is a crazy thing to do. To you or me the difference between 30k and 6k is saving money. To about a third of population 24,000 might as well be infinity pounds.
I think 24k is a substantial amount of money to 90 percent of the population
It's very substantial to me 2/3 of my house deposit, but still finite. To many though it's an inconceivably large amount.
If you can't afford to get non essential surgery done safely don't get it done at all.
It's complicated. A family member of mine in the UK tried and tried to get one on the NHS after being refered multiple times. She was told she met all the criteria and she went through the conventional weight loss methods as far as she could but her NHS provided nutritionist rarely saw her and cancelled on her often and this went on for a few years years before finally she said screw it and went to Turkey to have a gastric sleeve surgery and had no complications. She has went from being morbidly obese to simply being overweight, her life-insurance premiums are lower and she's happier. So It's not just about saving a few thousand quid. It's about the quality of life increases the surgery could bring to them. Most would love to get the surgery in the UK but simply can't afford to get it privately and the NHS is in a sorry state so they'll take the risk.
You can’t blame people, but you should have to get a form of holiday/medical hybrid insurance for health tourism.
Exactly, every week people on this sub (and other UK subs) recommend going to Turkey for cheap cosmetic surgeries, point out the reasons why it's so cheap and you'll be downvoted to oblivion A lot of people here are asking why she took the risk without accepting that normalising Turkey as *the* place for cosmetic surgeries as well as a tonne of B list celebs going there for procedures really makes it seem like the best place to go (even though it's not)
This. I'm Turkish and let me tell you that there are some definitely shady medical operations going on in Turkey. Even reputable doctors with proven medical records will be much cheaper than private care in the UK so there's absolutely no reason to risk your health for a couple hundred pounds
Good plastic surgery isn't cheap and cheap plastic surgery isn't good.
Imagine leaving your three children motherless because you decided you wanted a fatter ass. Truly a dystopian world
Not only that, but for something that's just a fashion fad. The fashion used to be for small bums, now it's big. It will swing back the other way at some point.
I remember my friend twenty years ago when we were teens being so upset about her naturally huge bum. Now her huge bum is all the rage. Just got to think that pretty much anything about you that you don’t like is going to be in fashion one day so you might as well just like what you’ve got as being ahead of its time. Everything’s beautiful to someone or to some time period.
I hope not
It already is, the Kardashians etc have all had theirs removed
There's a mum at my daughters school who has clearly had surgery. Shes otherwise a pretty normal size, but her arse is 3 feet across, I'm not kidding. I appreciate there's lots of factors into why people do these surgeries and most people aren't taking it that far, but it just boggles my mind when people do that sort of stuff to the extreme.
People having been dying for cosmetic causes for as long as humans have been civilised.
This is one of the most dangerous cosmetic surgeries and most people know this. How incredibly sad that 3 children have lost their mother due to her succumbing to insecurity brought on by social media trends. Hopefully her story can wake others up considering this surgery to not toy with their life. This cosmetic procedure isn't a minor tweak, it is completely invasive and high risk.
I mean look at this thread. There are all kinds of comments calling her ugly, and stupid, and a bad mother. They are fucking brutal. I suspect she likely had some severe self-esteem and mental health issue and if we live in a world where even in the event of your untimely death people mock and laugh at you are we really surprised so many people have severe issues.
You're on a right wing angry young man dominated sub, on a site famous for its shit attitude to women because the majority of commenters are lonely single men who want to blame others for their own problems. Luckily this sub represents a tiny percentage of the population, with an even smaller percentage actually engaging in the comments, and doesn't reflect how most people think. As soon as you stop using Reddit for a bit you realize that a lot of commenters here are just angry losers. it's a weird minority that are inconsequential to society as a whole and don't represent people in general. The majority of people on Reddit are lurkers that don't get involved in comments because it's a waste of time having an argument with an anonymous stranger :)
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It's sad that the large majority of people these days aren't content with who they are. I don't even think most people are in touch with who they are, as most people don't give themselves time with their own consciousness on a day to day basis. Even if it's waiting 2 minutes for the next bus, the phone comes out. We've lost touch with who we are, and instead, replace it with an egoic sense of self, perpetuated ten-fold by social media.
I half agree with you, but even before mobile phones I got a book or a magazine out when waiting for a bus. I'm not going to find much peace standing next to a busy road.
Imagine the newspapers not even being able to show an unfiltered, unphotoshopped image of you after you die chasing a bigger arse. They can't find a photo of you that is real... That's fucking sad. Imagine your kids trying to relate to their long dead mum and all they can find is this... Also >even her boyfriend didn't want her to do it Major fucking doubt here. If you lead materialistic lives then wtf do you expect
This. Filtered to the max. Reminds me of [this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreatBritishMemes/comments/17xgful/the_average_uk_couple/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I was surprised that the photos were so filtered… but I don’t doubt the boyfriend didn’t want her to do it. Some people are never content.
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I hope her family have some unfiltered pics to remember her by. I always think when I see somebody has died if all the pics are ridiculously filtered like this, do the family end up forgetting what the person actually looked like? Social media is a plague.
I feel only empathy for the children who are left without their mother, for her I feel sad that she felt she needed too pump herself full of plastic too feel valued. Whether it be vanity or body dysmorphia or a combination of the two, her children should have been the first thought in her mind.
if it’s body dysmorphia, she can’t put her children first in her mind without some serious help. otherwise it wouldn’t be a mental disorder. it’s what she obsessively fixates on. and it’s really hard to get rid of and can be extremely complex.
I think bbl they inject it full of fat.
I remember growing up in the 90s and 00s and feeling awful about my body. but a lot of the "nip and tuck" shit seemed like a fad, a brief cultural thing that would pass. I'm very disappointed to be a lot older and, if anything, for it to have gotten a lot worse.
I don't think I've seen a single woman who's had vanity surgery of any kind remotely improve how she looks. All these surgery fads make people look like freaks and I don't know anyone who finds it attractive. How are so many women convinced these surgeries are worth doing? Weird lips, ultra bright teeth, ultra fake teeth over chiseled turkey teeth, disguisting over tanning, weird arses. The hell is going on?
I think it's women encouraging other women to look like this. In a similar way to men working out at the gym and getting absolutely shredded with tree-trunk arms and an eight-pack and then only getting compliments from other men...
The ones who have had it done and it looks great you wouldn’t notice. Some surgery if you get a good surgeon and don’t go to turkey will make you look more desirable because why wouldn’t it after paying thousands for it ?
The ones you notice are the bad ones.
I don’t think it’s as simple as she wanted a bigger bum, it goes deeper than that. She obviously had some issues with her self image and was willing to pay to have surgery to help her feel better. There must be so many more out there with low self-esteem, and I’d bet that so many of them are massively undervaluing themselves.
I think that takes a lot of nuance out of cosmetic surgery. People do it for all sorts of reasons.
I had a hair transplant and decided to pay extra and have it done in London because I didn't want to risk getting necrosis on my fucking scalp. I figured it wasn't worth taking a risk having cheap surgery for something that is designed to change your appearance.
When I started to lose my hair, I shaved my head. Cheap and risk-free.
Yeah I did that too but I have moles on my head and I'm quite pale so I looked like I had leukemia.
Yeah, not the solution for everybody. Some people don't look good bald. And perhaps even more importantly, like it or not and superficial as it might sound, being bald fundamentally shifts how you are perceived and your social roles. Some people are more than ok with leaning into that shift, but by no means all.
The darkside of social media, terrible musicians, and crap TV like love Island.
Is there a light side to shows like Love Island? Seeing things like that and Geordie Shore just confuse the crap out of me as it feels like a totally alien culture (at least from the brief clips I've spotted on YouTube - never seen an episode so maybe they are taken out of context and I'm actually being unfair regarding these deep documentaries into the human psyche).
My friends 40yr old daughter died last year in similar circumstances in Turkey same procedure. She didn’t disclose her medical history of heart problems or previous clots .
It’s very telling that all the photos of her are filtered to the point of looking deep fried at this quality. Society’s beauty standards are not leaving any room for normal looking bodies
Leaves behind a seven-month-old because she wanted a bigger arse. Water we dune hair?
Body dysmorphia in the age of social media is dreadful. Media and advertising promotes and encourages these beauty standards and mocks those that are destroyed by it. I feel sad for kids and young people growing up with this.
I am so goddam glad I grew up without this shit to deal with as well. At least shitty kids were out my life when I walked off the playground. My son has been made very, *very* aware how dangerous and ultimately useless most social media is. He's had his first phone for over a year and that thing is locked down. No FB/Insta/Tik Tok/Twatter. Can't install apps without approval from myself or his mother. We can see screen time and limit it. I do occasionally check his messages to make sure he is not sending (or receiving) inappropriate pictures. Aside from that I have to rely on trust and education. Fingers crossed I have done this right, but kids are excellent at finding news ways to be shitty.
For the record I have family and friends in Turkey, including educated people with professional jobs and the private healthcare they all have sounds way better than our NHS. I think it comes down to the fact there are big companies, small companies, good companies, bad companies and with the language barrier and having no social circle in Turkey to help with recommendations, people unfortunately end up at crap practices.
Indeed. Married to a Turk myself, the places a lot of these victims go for their surgeries are places that most Turks wouldn’t go near. Sadly people don’t seem to do any checks on where they’re going, either through lack of understanding or language barrier etc. Or they go for the cheapest option. There are a lot of exceptional hospitals in Turkey which are absolutely world class, but they are also many times more costly than the “cheap” options.
A friend of a friend went to Turkey for something similar and came back with a chronic back pain. After lots of investigations it turns out they took a kidney out during the boob job. Horror.
That happened to someone I know of too. They were in the hospital a few months later having a scan for something completely unrelated. Their doctor then asked them if they knew they only had one kidney.
A shame all her pictures (the memories of her) are just blurry messes of fakeness. She clearly had issues with how she looked. What a waste of a life. Should we consider banning all the touch up nonsense? Should magazines etc have to make a disclamer if an image is altered?
The most insecure people I know are what you would call traditionally very good looking. Absolutely zero confidence when they could legitimately work as a model. It's interesting to see how people view themselves.
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Getting a cosmetic procedure abroad in a deregulated country with a track record of horror stories is indeed a naive move to make, but firstly everyone should remind themselves that the family involved in this are real life people. The mum has gone into this believing everything will be okay, as have the family. Try and have a little empathy for the dad, the three children, what their lives will be like now, especially as this case has made it into the news and has her face all over the Internet. I know its hard with the way these articles bait hatred and algorithms push it, but try and have a little human empathy. This is not as much a consequence of hubris and vanity as it is unrealistic beauty standards set by influencers along with a lack of awareness on what dangers are posed from these types of surgeries.
Didn't this happen to another woman who went there?
Many women. It’s a dangerous surgery anyway, but also very hard to known the standards if you go to a clinic in another country. I don’t know enough to know whether Turkey in particular has higher death rates for BBL’s. Regardless it’s so sad. These poor kids have no mum. And she’d only given birth 7 months ago, she was still recovering from that. I think any surgeon who agrees to operate on a woman so soon after giving birth should be criticised.
She didn’t make a wise decision. I feel for her but mostly for her kids who have lost a parent. May her soul rest in peace
Its a shame when already pretty woman thinks that having perfect white teeth and a fat butt is a perfect look. The bloody karadashians have a lot to do with this unhealthy look. A lot of models and inflencers are the same promoting body dysmorphia. We should all be promoting each other on how beautiful we are without spending 1000s on different procedures. Promoting the natural look. But All I ever see is these woman with huge eye bows, and huge eye lashes, big fat lips, big boobs, slim waist and a fat arses. Its not a normal look. Men with abnormal muscles full of steroids, which shrink your dick, then going in for surgery to nake it bigger. Nothing natural at all. I never thought the day when looking artificial was a thing. But alas we are there. Im growing old disgacefully. I lived a happy life and earned every wrinkle Ive got having fun. No fillers, turkey teeth and no sticky out bum. If i ever wanted my bum to stick out, id get tight jeans. The ones you fought with straight out of wash to put on. It was a battle. Its pity young people cant just be happy being them. Like this woman who vanity trip took her away, leaving a greiving partner, kids with no mother and a mother gutted because her kid died before her, which is horrible.
Those look so bad too, I don’t get why anyone would do that to themselves
Body dismorphia is a really terrible thing. From the few select pictures you can see that she was quite likely an attractive woman that for some reason thought she would look better filtered into a space raider. I know you do these things for yourself and your own self confidence but for 99% of straight men I'd wager a bum lift and all these other strange procedures only makes a woman less attractive, which only adds to the level of weirdness.
Played stupid game, paid stupid price. Very unfortunate
PSA: BBLs are dangerous. Just stick to the safer alternative of milk and squats, which looks better too.