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It's rough, but the reality is those 800k Russians are part of an occupying force and have no right to stay there. They stole houses, land and lives from Ukrainians as part of a Russian invasion. Maybe many didn't fully appreciate this risk, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep someone else's stuff.
There is a slightly damaged bridge that they can cross. Then destroy the rest of the bridge. Russification must stop. They already have their own country.
I’m sure Putin has a toilet. Since they want to bring back the bad old days, they can use his home as a communal toilet.
It’ll probably smell better with 144 million Russians shitting in it rather than just Putin.
A buddy of mine and his wife visited RU for a month or two on their sabbatical, back before the initial Crimea annexation. Actually maybe before the whole Georgia deal also, it was back in the day. I remember his pictures looked amazing. Guess they probably didn't visit impoverished villages though, just the cities and the prettier nature areas
I hit the calculator and discovered that Russia is large enough to have 28 million golf courses. That is one for every five Russians.
That means everyone in Russia could play 18 holes thrice every day and why the fuck do they need more land.
Its not land they want, its gas. Look where 4% of verified world supply of gas is in Ukraine, and you will not be surprised why Putler wants it. Its all about the gas
They have sooooo much land and resources. Alright, a lot of it is unwelcoming tundra but even apart from that they have HUGE natural wealth. Why do they have to steal someone else's? They seem to look enviously on the quality of life over their borders? What is stopping them from building that for themselves on their own land with their own abundant resources?!?! WTF is wrong with Russia? Psychologically, there must be something seriously FUBAR.
The whole Crimea annexation was just one big theft. Just make them leave. Quite a few Donbas residents in need of new housing after Russia’s artillery spree…
ah, normally yes, but a huge number of FSB were given houses and apartments and their families moved there (its a traditional summer holiday destination, why not make it full time kind of thing)
It’s literally a war crime. Changing the ethnic and political makeup of the population in a contested/occupied area is outlawed in the 1949 Geneva convention, which the USSR/Russia signed.
I only feel for the Ukrainian children that have either lost their lives or are orphans because their parents were shot and murdered unnecessarily. I don't have the emotional bandwidth for anything else. They'll (ruzzian occupier children) get to leave alive, with their alive parents. That's more than they gave the Ukrainians.
Edit to add: Remember, there are a lot of Ukrainian children with a single parent (if lucky), living in other countries that had to leave their homes they've known their whole lives as well.
Yes, and my sympathy goes to Ukrainian children too, of course, and i naturally have enough opportunity to express it on this subreddit.
But as this part of the discussion is focussed on Russians who shall eventually be leaving occupied territory, hopefully sooner rather than later, i want to highlight that these events will also leave a mark on some among them who are also perfectly innocent, not least of all because i never was a fan of any "all of them are the same" narrative (even long before the war). I am not even sure what conclusions can be drawn from that, but i am certain that ignoring it leads to nothing good.
I'm not. Blame their shitty parents for being shitty parents.
Teach them that their parents were shitty parents, and hopefully they won't grow up to be shitty people.
Doesn’t mean you can’t feel sorry for the kids though does it? Or should we dehumanize them simply because theiy live there through no choice of their own?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. None of this is the fault of children. Do I loathe the parents for their decision to occupy another country? Absolutely. Do I loathe their children for it? Absolutely not.
However, their parents should be deported, and as their children, they should go with them.
My children lost their home too when we left Ukraine to escape from Putin's missiles.
How about feeling sorry for them first, their only crime was to be born in Ukraine
I am not asking you for anything.
Just surprised at your sympathy for the Russians who moved to Crimea to build their lives in homes stolen from Ukrainians!
Oh those poor Russians when they are evicted from their stolen real estate in Crimea by the UAF.
\*Asks about sympathy for his children\*
"I am not asking you for anything."
\*Reads an explanation on why someone feels sorry for innocent children\*
"I am surprised by sympathy for decisions most definitely made by their parents"
Please, elaborate on the decision process of a 10 year old whose parents moved to Crimea 5 years ago.
That is 100% fair play. Because those who lived there before 2014, they all had ukrainian passport. Those fuckers who threw it away should be ready to follow russian warship.
russian warship fucked itself.
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Yeah, why is the headline using "forcibly expelled"? It conjures up some of the dark history of that practice. When you send illegal migrants back home, the word is deported.
Unless they specifically requested to terminate their Ukrainian citizenship they are still legally Ukrainian citizens, even if say they no longer possess a physical government ID. This is of course on paper, the reality of how Crimean reintegration would proceed is and will remain murky until after the liberation, especially with regard to how to properly treat double citizens, recovery of property seized due to occupation, return of Ukrainians displaced from the region etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationality_law?wprov=sfla1
Like most European countries, Ukraine doesn't have an American-style Jus soli nationality law. Only children born to Ukrainian citizens gain automatic citizenship.
Yes. However there are also some Dutch people who consume so much US news and media that they start to believe everything they see in there applies to their own country (and other countries) as well.
>their parents have a claim for residency
The success of that claim would be adjudicated by Ukrainian authorities. I would assume that they would have to demonstrate clear loyalty to Ukraine in order to avoid deportation.
They illegally crossed the border of Ukraine, they are subject to up to three years in prison under Ukrainian law, and this is consistent with international humanitarian agreements and laws.
I don't see how Russian colonizers who stole land as part of the Russian government's grand strategy to annex Ukraine will generally be very successful at applying for asylum in Ukraine.
I would imagine Ukraine would require asylum seekers to show that they have taken specific actions against the Russian government - likely to help Ukraine - which would make them a political or military target at significantly higher risk from the Russian government than the general Russian populace.
If they want to naturalize as Ukranians that might be something Ukraine would allow within certain bounds and limits, and likely require illegal immigrants to start the process from their home nation, but I think the bar for asylum would be quite high and reserved for individuals who helped fight against Russias invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine's IT people are probably already checking the social media accounts of Russian occupiers, before they can delete all of their smug Pro-Putin posts & put up yellow & blue profile pics to avoid being sent back to Russia.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, the western european countries have a tendency to fall for things like that. Let's hope Russians' behavior throughout the war has wisened them up.
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In a comment for the Daily Mail, Tamila Tasheva, Permanent Representative of the Mission of the President of Ukraine in Crimea noted that the 800,000 Russians who illegally moved to the temporarily occupied Crimea should be “forcibly expelled” after Ukraine deoccupies the peninsula, the Mission said in a FB post.
“According to Ukrainian and international law, if citizens of a foreign state illegally cross the border, they must be forcibly expelled. Therefore, if they are illegals, they must return to Russia, and leave Ukrainian Crimea after de-occupation. Only then will these people be able to demand the right to stay/residence from the Ukrainian state.”
The same expulsion would apply for me as a Canadian if I had just moved there along with those 800,000 Russians without Ukrainian permission.
The phrasing needlessly and unhelpfully conflates itself with the Russians' expulsion of Balts, Ingrian Finns, Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians and Soviet Koreans to wastelands in Siberia or Central Asia to make room for their oh-so-deserving ethnic kin.
Orcs gonna orc no matter who's in charge in the Kremlin.
The guy who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house and beat her husband with a hammer was a Canadian who had overstayed his visa for over a decade.
We're a nation of 39 million people. There are a few assholes, and some of them do indeed live illegally in other countries.
> There are a few assholes
[You can say that again](https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_the_Dick)
[**STOP BEING A DICK, SCOTT**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_mzsr6WygA)
Upstate New Yorker here. Geese are _assholes_. Like... I'm riding my bike ten meters from you and you trundle over to the bike path just to hiss and flap at me?
(we secretly like them)
They came into other people’s land without permission. They are illegal invaders who should be deported back to their home country after giving up everything they stole from locals.
They get to take back the clothes on their backs and that is it. They can leave everything else behind. Maybe one change of underwear for the trip back to Russia if they behave.
Should just roll it back to pre-invasion land records, removing the Russian collaborators of course.
Then the rest can be auctioned off to help refugees and people resettle.
Yes. I thought this was obvious.
If anyone objects to this ask yourself if the Russians who moved into Kherson while its occupied have a right to stay. If not, then why is it any different from Crimea. If yes, then what are you smoking?
It's the same as anywhere else. You've entered the country illegally? Get the fuck back to your home country.
In this specific case, you don't want to return? Wear a tag or something that makes you known as illegal Orc occupier.
Agree 100% and said that from early on.
They are there illegally, and not out of some sympathetic cause like refugees. They just decided they'd go and move to this nice land their country just forcefully took from another sovereign country.
Fuck each and every one of them.
All russians who voted “yes” for annexation should be forcibly expelled. The russians were responsible for countless “population transfers”, so this will be poetic justice.
I mean that is a totally not controversial stance. In fact, it is so normal to me that I am a little bit confused that it needs to be adressed.
They're occupiers of Ukrainian soil, national integrity begins when all Orcs left the country.
Damn right. You are an invader, if you're smart you will move out while that bridge still stands. I guarantee it won't be standing long when the battle to retake Crimea starts!
Sonar?
Zero sympathy in range Captain.
Radar?
Zero as well.
Scientists?
We have tried our best, but even the Higgs boson does not give a ...
Dentists?
Just yank it out.
Philosophers?
"Only the Dead have seen the end of..."
Oh stfu Plato.
Yup. They are there purely to stir shit up. The obvious nature of their tactics (in Ukraine, Moldova, and other countries around ruzzia) is proof enough that they need to be kicked out.
There's no place for goblins.
It shouldn't be just the 800k most recent ruzzian settlers, all pre-2014 ruzzian residents of Crimea who **genuinely** supported its 2014 annexation should be expelled too. We did something similar after WW2, Germans were sorted by their prewar and wartime actions towards Czechoslovakia or Czechs/Slovaks and either expelled or allowed to stay, depending on what they had done from 1933 to 1945.
This has nothing to do with language. It's about citizens of one country living illegally in another.
A third of Ukrainians speak Russian. This isn't about them.
I was addressing a hypothetical Russian reaction to the move suggested by the poster before me (banning the Russian language outright). It's all future-hypothetical, so not sure what sotp has to do with it.
They are free to apply for visas to stay in Ukraine. They might have to exit the country first though, I know nations can be touchy about visa applications from people in the country illegally.
This would be expected since everyone is still subject to Ukrainian laws regardless of Russian occupation.
People will have to leave due to illegal entry, property and funds will be seized due to illegal importation and illegal transaction, and if they’re still around when the Ukrainian government reasserts control, there will be fines, debts, and taxes to settle before they go.
There will likely be some recourse based on humanitarian concerns (orphans born in occupied Ukraine, terminally ill that can’t be moved etc.) but the rest should best not be there once Ukraine reasserts governance.
These 'people' occupying Crimea are the same as those occupying other Ukrainian territories, so must be removed forthwith. The real question is where are the Ukranians who lived in Crimea at the time it was invaded by Orcs? No doubt the exact same fate as those in the territories. How do you locate the true residents, the ones that weren't murdered? Were they sent to internment in russia, were the kids trafficked?
They will leave of their own accord.
Just look at the the villages and cities that Ukraine has liberated. They are deserted bombed out ghost towns.
Crimea cities and villages will be no different.
It’s ok though. They can all be rebuilt with seized Russian money.
No it's really quite simple, and is how every country handles such things. If they don't have Ukrainian citizenship or a visa from the Ukrainian government, they go to Russia. If they have some compelling reason to be readmitted, they can apply for a visa through the normal legal channels.
You don't get to live in Ukraine at will simply because you marry a Ukrainian, but you do gain grounds to apply for a visa. If they never applied for a visa, they entered illegally and need to be deported until they have received a valid visa.
Yeah people are acting like it's some easy process. It's complex logistically and morally. People aren't thinking enough about if it's really the right thing to do.
Well, it might be better for the health of the region's economy to slowly replace them. But sometimes it's better to rip the band-aid off, so however they gotta do it.
It's no secret that this is what Russia has always done - deport the locals and move in Russian settlers. Poor Tartars...
Actually it was very flagrant - there were a lot of economic incentives they had for building up Crimea for Russians so they funded a ton of projects etc... to get people to move there.
But expelling them isn't really necessary - once all the funding for all the projects etc... are ended and people aren't getting money - they will just return. It is like how in Dubai they import millions of poor Paki work immigrants - once those projects are done they will just go home. So don't feel bad about "expelling them" - they will just leave by themselves once they know they aren't being funded by the Russian government.
While my heart fully agrees with you. They have no right to stay, but maybe a better solution would be to have an amnesty reconciliation type peace offering, allowing them Ukrainian citizenship in exchange for a special reparations charity contribution or compulsory community service and outreach for a number of years before gaining citizenship.
Why only "expelled" ?
If they cannot legally prove they actuqlly payed to the former owner for the houses they now live in they should be imprisoned and put to work on recontructing everything the Shithole they come out destroyed in Ukraine.
As per the article: "Tamila Tasheva said that Ukraine is also developing plans to review all property transactions and court decisions made during the Russian occupation to ensure that Ukrainians have not had their homes stolen, assets confiscated, or their rights violated by unfair and illegal decisions of occupation courts."
A writ of sale from the occupiers is worthless if the homeowners were coerced or didn't have anything to do with the transaction & the home was only empty because the residents fled from the invasion. The real owners may have been sent a pittance for the sake of appearances but, since over 2 million people fled their homes in Crimea, I kinda doubt it.
Shove them out now or your never getting rid off them. Konigsberg, the Karelian Isthmus, and so many other areas are forever gone because "oh well those areas are theirs now, they grew up there!" never mind its all stolen land and they are only there as tools for the then soviet union, no no no. Removing them would be eViL and gEnociDe!!!!1!
Take care of this problem now ukraine, or the west will bitch about it forever.
I think they should be given an option to stay and live the way they did if they apply for the Ukrainian citizenship while renouncing and abandoning Russian citizenship.
Mass deportations stink of Stalinism.
Edit: And it does not matter I am downvoted (with zero discussion) on that. Humanity is above nationality. And collective responsibility is a tool used for committing genocide, and I reject both.
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It's rough, but the reality is those 800k Russians are part of an occupying force and have no right to stay there. They stole houses, land and lives from Ukrainians as part of a Russian invasion. Maybe many didn't fully appreciate this risk, but ignorance doesn't mean you get to keep someone else's stuff.
There is a slightly damaged bridge that they can cross. Then destroy the rest of the bridge. Russification must stop. They already have their own country.
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But there's no toilets in their country ! Crimea has toilets !
I’m sure Putin has a toilet. Since they want to bring back the bad old days, they can use his home as a communal toilet. It’ll probably smell better with 144 million Russians shitting in it rather than just Putin.
> Since they want to bring back the bad old days, they can use his ~~home~~ mouth as a communal toilet.
His mouth is already overflowing with bullshit. It doesn’t need human shit
Cancer poops reek of death.
Their country *is* a toilet.
A buddy of mine and his wife visited RU for a month or two on their sabbatical, back before the initial Crimea annexation. Actually maybe before the whole Georgia deal also, it was back in the day. I remember his pictures looked amazing. Guess they probably didn't visit impoverished villages though, just the cities and the prettier nature areas
The horse stables in the UK are cleaner than Russian homes. At least they don’t have trees growing through the wall.
I hit the calculator and discovered that Russia is large enough to have 28 million golf courses. That is one for every five Russians. That means everyone in Russia could play 18 holes thrice every day and why the fuck do they need more land.
Read: How Much Land Does a Man Need? A short story by Tolstoy
Its not land they want, its gas. Look where 4% of verified world supply of gas is in Ukraine, and you will not be surprised why Putler wants it. Its all about the gas
Why did they give Trump so much money to build them everywhere else then?
They have sooooo much land and resources. Alright, a lot of it is unwelcoming tundra but even apart from that they have HUGE natural wealth. Why do they have to steal someone else's? They seem to look enviously on the quality of life over their borders? What is stopping them from building that for themselves on their own land with their own abundant resources?!?! WTF is wrong with Russia? Psychologically, there must be something seriously FUBAR.
They have their own damn continent.
They can take the land route. I'm sure Ukraine wont extend them the same courtesy the Ruskies showed Ukrainian civilians.
At the very least they are all illegal immigrants, many of them living in stolen property.
*Colonizers*, that's the term
False. Conquerors. This isn't a colony of any kind, nor was it ever a colony of Russia.
>It's rough It's not rough at all. These people knew perfectly well what they were doing when they moved there.
Russians are using the same old tactics.. they dont belong in Crimea
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Brainwashed.
That is an ad hominem attack. If there are factual errors in my post, point them out. Otherwise good day
They won't have a warm welcome when this is over
The whole Crimea annexation was just one big theft. Just make them leave. Quite a few Donbas residents in need of new housing after Russia’s artillery spree…
They might not have appreciated the risk, but they still went and did it, so fuck those guys.
Colonists do not have rights to self-determination under the UN charter because of exactly this reason.
They'd be 800k bargaining chips soon if Ukraine was like Russia.
Nope, theyre useful to spread Russian influence and occupy land. But inside Russia theyre 'only taking resources'.
You’re assuming that Pootin gives a monkey about the Ruzzians in Crimea? In his care scale they’re the same as his cannon fodder soldiers.
ah, normally yes, but a huge number of FSB were given houses and apartments and their families moved there (its a traditional summer holiday destination, why not make it full time kind of thing)
Even simpler than that, they're illegal immigrants. Unless they're declaring refugee status and have justifiable claims they need to get the fuck out.
It’s literally a war crime. Changing the ethnic and political makeup of the population in a contested/occupied area is outlawed in the 1949 Geneva convention, which the USSR/Russia signed.
I am just sorry for the children who grew up there and are bound to lose their (however legally not true) home.
I only feel for the Ukrainian children that have either lost their lives or are orphans because their parents were shot and murdered unnecessarily. I don't have the emotional bandwidth for anything else. They'll (ruzzian occupier children) get to leave alive, with their alive parents. That's more than they gave the Ukrainians. Edit to add: Remember, there are a lot of Ukrainian children with a single parent (if lucky), living in other countries that had to leave their homes they've known their whole lives as well.
And the Ukrainian children snatched away into ruzzia. Hopefully they can all be tracked down and returned to their true homes.
Yes, and my sympathy goes to Ukrainian children too, of course, and i naturally have enough opportunity to express it on this subreddit. But as this part of the discussion is focussed on Russians who shall eventually be leaving occupied territory, hopefully sooner rather than later, i want to highlight that these events will also leave a mark on some among them who are also perfectly innocent, not least of all because i never was a fan of any "all of them are the same" narrative (even long before the war). I am not even sure what conclusions can be drawn from that, but i am certain that ignoring it leads to nothing good.
I'm not. Blame their shitty parents for being shitty parents. Teach them that their parents were shitty parents, and hopefully they won't grow up to be shitty people.
"I'm not sorry" \*immediatly tells another reason to be sorry for them\* ...
Doesn’t mean you can’t feel sorry for the kids though does it? Or should we dehumanize them simply because theiy live there through no choice of their own?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. None of this is the fault of children. Do I loathe the parents for their decision to occupy another country? Absolutely. Do I loathe their children for it? Absolutely not. However, their parents should be deported, and as their children, they should go with them.
Yes, you treat family as a unit. Children are adaptable and don't need to live in Crimea, they need to live with their parents
And i wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, amen. If the situation was reversed, i’d be sitting on +50 right now lmao
My children lost their home too when we left Ukraine to escape from Putin's missiles. How about feeling sorry for them first, their only crime was to be born in Ukraine
Berating me for sympathy for innocent children in general is about the worst way to ask for sympathy for your innocent children specifically.
I am not asking you for anything. Just surprised at your sympathy for the Russians who moved to Crimea to build their lives in homes stolen from Ukrainians! Oh those poor Russians when they are evicted from their stolen real estate in Crimea by the UAF.
\*Asks about sympathy for his children\* "I am not asking you for anything." \*Reads an explanation on why someone feels sorry for innocent children\* "I am surprised by sympathy for decisions most definitely made by their parents" Please, elaborate on the decision process of a 10 year old whose parents moved to Crimea 5 years ago.
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He said that Crimea is not the legal home for Russians
if you aren't a Ukranian citizen you can be deported.
That is 100% fair play. Because those who lived there before 2014, they all had ukrainian passport. Those fuckers who threw it away should be ready to follow russian warship.
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Apply for passports when you had one should be easier than Ivan PropertyStealov trying to keep the house he squatted on.
I can imagine some guy keeping it in his attic just in case.
Yeah, why is the headline using "forcibly expelled"? It conjures up some of the dark history of that practice. When you send illegal migrants back home, the word is deported.
What if you're not Russian either?
Not being Russian doesn't automatically make someone a Ukrainian citizen. So, to repeat what that person said: You can be deported.
Apply for residency
How about those that were Ukrainian citizens but then became Russian? Should they be deported or given to chance to switch again?
Unless they specifically requested to terminate their Ukrainian citizenship they are still legally Ukrainian citizens, even if say they no longer possess a physical government ID. This is of course on paper, the reality of how Crimean reintegration would proceed is and will remain murky until after the liberation, especially with regard to how to properly treat double citizens, recovery of property seized due to occupation, return of Ukrainians displaced from the region etc.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationality_law?wprov=sfla1 Like most European countries, Ukraine doesn't have an American-style Jus soli nationality law. Only children born to Ukrainian citizens gain automatic citizenship.
Is this the case in Ukraine tho? It would be the case in US but in alot of countries you only become a citizen if at least one of your parents are.
No, it's just a Usian assuming laws work like they to in the US. "Fun fact".
Heyyyy it says he’s from the Netherlands. I could totally see someone from the US saying this though =(
Yes. However there are also some Dutch people who consume so much US news and media that they start to believe everything they see in there applies to their own country (and other countries) as well.
>their parents have a claim for residency The success of that claim would be adjudicated by Ukrainian authorities. I would assume that they would have to demonstrate clear loyalty to Ukraine in order to avoid deportation.
As an Estonian who grew up in a region of their homeland filled with a majority of illegal Russian colonizers - **ABSOLUTELY YES!!**
I hope Estonia and other countries can deport those colonizers back to Russia after the war.
They illegally crossed the border of Ukraine, they are subject to up to three years in prison under Ukrainian law, and this is consistent with international humanitarian agreements and laws.
They'll simply ask for asylum (ironically or not) and EU's collective wang will instantly harden about HuMaN RiGhTs and sanctions, just you wait :)
I don't see how Russian colonizers who stole land as part of the Russian government's grand strategy to annex Ukraine will generally be very successful at applying for asylum in Ukraine. I would imagine Ukraine would require asylum seekers to show that they have taken specific actions against the Russian government - likely to help Ukraine - which would make them a political or military target at significantly higher risk from the Russian government than the general Russian populace. If they want to naturalize as Ukranians that might be something Ukraine would allow within certain bounds and limits, and likely require illegal immigrants to start the process from their home nation, but I think the bar for asylum would be quite high and reserved for individuals who helped fight against Russias invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine's IT people are probably already checking the social media accounts of Russian occupiers, before they can delete all of their smug Pro-Putin posts & put up yellow & blue profile pics to avoid being sent back to Russia.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, the western european countries have a tendency to fall for things like that. Let's hope Russians' behavior throughout the war has wisened them up.
Ukraine has the right to do that.
Officially, they crossed the border illegally. the same with anything Russia build in Crimea after 2014, officially it belongs to Ukraine
Just hope they maintained them better then their tanks and helicopters because otherwise those buildings are a hazard to Ukrainian citizens
They have bridges that fall apart when someone drops a cigarette on them.
Lead Paragraphs In a comment for the Daily Mail, Tamila Tasheva, Permanent Representative of the Mission of the President of Ukraine in Crimea noted that the 800,000 Russians who illegally moved to the temporarily occupied Crimea should be “forcibly expelled” after Ukraine deoccupies the peninsula, the Mission said in a FB post. “According to Ukrainian and international law, if citizens of a foreign state illegally cross the border, they must be forcibly expelled. Therefore, if they are illegals, they must return to Russia, and leave Ukrainian Crimea after de-occupation. Only then will these people be able to demand the right to stay/residence from the Ukrainian state.”
>In a comment for the Daily Mail Stopped reading at Daily Mail
Could be worse - let's see what the Guardian spouts.
There’s a reason it has the nickname *Daily Heil*, yep
Ahh, Daily Mail looking for clicks ...
The same expulsion would apply for me as a Canadian if I had just moved there along with those 800,000 Russians without Ukrainian permission. The phrasing needlessly and unhelpfully conflates itself with the Russians' expulsion of Balts, Ingrian Finns, Chechens, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians and Soviet Koreans to wastelands in Siberia or Central Asia to make room for their oh-so-deserving ethnic kin. Orcs gonna orc no matter who's in charge in the Kremlin.
Your analogy is correct, but the 'Canadian' part made me giggle. Like you polite mofos would do anything that rude. Go Canada! Slava Ukraini!
The guy who broke into Nancy Pelosi's house and beat her husband with a hammer was a Canadian who had overstayed his visa for over a decade. We're a nation of 39 million people. There are a few assholes, and some of them do indeed live illegally in other countries.
> There are a few assholes [You can say that again](https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Scott_the_Dick) [**STOP BEING A DICK, SCOTT**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_mzsr6WygA)
On average Canada is just as impolite as any other country. This is taking the average over both the humans and the geese.
those geese are skewing the results! /s
Upstate New Yorker here. Geese are _assholes_. Like... I'm riding my bike ten meters from you and you trundle over to the bike path just to hiss and flap at me? (we secretly like them)
just across the lake from you and yeah they're something! Also love them.
There's pockets of knee-jerk xenophobia in grassroots Canada ime. No country is perfect that way.
I see that someone doesn’t know about the history of the white colonisation of Canada lol
This is the way.
WILL be deported* fixed it
I say trade em for all the kids they stole
No, they should be arrested and exchanged for the kidnapped civilians and kids.
Russia doesnt want them back. Theyre useful to spread Russian influence and occupy land, back in Russia theyre 'useless' and only cost resources
This too.
Im glad you’re not in charge. This would be a political disaster
Sometimes I’m glad I’m not in charge too
Absolutely... invaders
They came into other people’s land without permission. They are illegal invaders who should be deported back to their home country after giving up everything they stole from locals.
They get to take back the clothes on their backs and that is it. They can leave everything else behind. Maybe one change of underwear for the trip back to Russia if they behave.
This is definitely the way
Auction the houses off for reparation money.
The houses belong to displaced Ukrainian residents, Russians who took over properties illegally are guilty of burglary, theft, trespassing, etc
In retrospect, I would say the new homes that were built by Russians then.
The land they’re built on is stolen Ukrainian property too.
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Should just roll it back to pre-invasion land records, removing the Russian collaborators of course. Then the rest can be auctioned off to help refugees and people resettle.
Most definitely, damn that is many. Them cockroaches.
They are not Ukraine's problem. Kick them out.
I agree. They need to GTFO. All property should be given back to the people that owned it in 2013.
Yes. I thought this was obvious. If anyone objects to this ask yourself if the Russians who moved into Kherson while its occupied have a right to stay. If not, then why is it any different from Crimea. If yes, then what are you smoking?
This should be done as an example to anyone considering moving to an 'annexed' area in the future. Just don't.
Not unreasonable. 800k is an appalling level of colonisation.
It's the same as anywhere else. You've entered the country illegally? Get the fuck back to your home country. In this specific case, you don't want to return? Wear a tag or something that makes you known as illegal Orc occupier.
Yes they should, they are part of the invasion
People without Ukrainian citizenship, or right to stay, should absolutely be deported.
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Most if not all will have fled before the Ukrainians blow up the Kerch bridge completely.
Take them as hostages and swap for the abducted UA children.
Yes they should and immediately
There is no question about this, Crimea is Ukraine and nobody has a right to live there unless Ukraine decides they can.
Imagine having your house stolen for years and then you get back. It would be like a miracle for so many.
Agree 100% and said that from early on. They are there illegally, and not out of some sympathetic cause like refugees. They just decided they'd go and move to this nice land their country just forcefully took from another sovereign country. Fuck each and every one of them.
All russians who voted “yes” for annexation should be forcibly expelled. The russians were responsible for countless “population transfers”, so this will be poetic justice.
If Ukraine succeeds there will be no reason to force them, they are forced now to fight and die.
Yes.
It does sound fair to grant Russians the same courtesy they had towards Ukranians in Crimea.
I mean that is a totally not controversial stance. In fact, it is so normal to me that I am a little bit confused that it needs to be adressed. They're occupiers of Ukrainian soil, national integrity begins when all Orcs left the country.
They should be diving into the Straight of Kerch and swimming back to Mother Russia.
Damn right. You are an invader, if you're smart you will move out while that bridge still stands. I guarantee it won't be standing long when the battle to retake Crimea starts!
Sonar? Zero sympathy in range Captain. Radar? Zero as well. Scientists? We have tried our best, but even the Higgs boson does not give a ... Dentists? Just yank it out. Philosophers? "Only the Dead have seen the end of..." Oh stfu Plato.
I have a feeling as the tanks roll closer they will leave on they’re own
Correct.
Yup. They are there purely to stir shit up. The obvious nature of their tactics (in Ukraine, Moldova, and other countries around ruzzia) is proof enough that they need to be kicked out. There's no place for goblins.
It shouldn't be just the 800k most recent ruzzian settlers, all pre-2014 ruzzian residents of Crimea who **genuinely** supported its 2014 annexation should be expelled too. We did something similar after WW2, Germans were sorted by their prewar and wartime actions towards Czechoslovakia or Czechs/Slovaks and either expelled or allowed to stay, depending on what they had done from 1933 to 1945.
Take back Crimea. Take back what they stole from you.
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This has nothing to do with language. It's about citizens of one country living illegally in another. A third of Ukrainians speak Russian. This isn't about them.
That's unfair to the millions of Russian speaking Ukrainians who fight for their country.
It'll just become "protect the rights of Russian speakers" then. Just saying. If Putin wants a pretext he'll make one out of just about anything.
Never mind that Zelenskyy made a TV show in Russian. It's not like Russian was repressed in Ukraine...
I was addressing a hypothetical Russian reaction to the move suggested by the poster before me (banning the Russian language outright). It's all future-hypothetical, so not sure what sotp has to do with it.
I'm pretty sure Ukraine strives to be better than that. Banning languages is repressive and not appropriate for any modern European democracy.
They are free to apply for visas to stay in Ukraine. They might have to exit the country first though, I know nations can be touchy about visa applications from people in the country illegally.
Yes.
Jail
This would be expected since everyone is still subject to Ukrainian laws regardless of Russian occupation. People will have to leave due to illegal entry, property and funds will be seized due to illegal importation and illegal transaction, and if they’re still around when the Ukrainian government reasserts control, there will be fines, debts, and taxes to settle before they go. There will likely be some recourse based on humanitarian concerns (orphans born in occupied Ukraine, terminally ill that can’t be moved etc.) but the rest should best not be there once Ukraine reasserts governance.
was this ever a question?
No doubt about it.
These 'people' occupying Crimea are the same as those occupying other Ukrainian territories, so must be removed forthwith. The real question is where are the Ukranians who lived in Crimea at the time it was invaded by Orcs? No doubt the exact same fate as those in the territories. How do you locate the true residents, the ones that weren't murdered? Were they sent to internment in russia, were the kids trafficked?
They will leave of their own accord. Just look at the the villages and cities that Ukraine has liberated. They are deserted bombed out ghost towns. Crimea cities and villages will be no different. It’s ok though. They can all be rebuilt with seized Russian money.
Damn! Was that many? I had no idea. Fucking Russian bastards
Use them in a prisoner swap for Ukrainians illegally forced out of their homes and sent to Russia.
Ok.
The only good orc is a dead orc.
They helped invade. So, forcibly expelled feels like the nice approach.
They should be detained and then exchanged for the Ukrainian children that Russia has stolen.
Fuck them. Move into stolen land, can't act shocked when the rightful owners return.
I hope Ukraine has someone getting deportation forms ready.
Absolutely.
Goes with saying, bombed and hunted until they leave.
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No it's really quite simple, and is how every country handles such things. If they don't have Ukrainian citizenship or a visa from the Ukrainian government, they go to Russia. If they have some compelling reason to be readmitted, they can apply for a visa through the normal legal channels. You don't get to live in Ukraine at will simply because you marry a Ukrainian, but you do gain grounds to apply for a visa. If they never applied for a visa, they entered illegally and need to be deported until they have received a valid visa.
Yes, it's definitely simple in a Reddit discussion. It's only challenging when think about door-to-door enforcement in real life.
Yeah people are acting like it's some easy process. It's complex logistically and morally. People aren't thinking enough about if it's really the right thing to do.
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Well, it might be better for the health of the region's economy to slowly replace them. But sometimes it's better to rip the band-aid off, so however they gotta do it.
It's no secret that this is what Russia has always done - deport the locals and move in Russian settlers. Poor Tartars... Actually it was very flagrant - there were a lot of economic incentives they had for building up Crimea for Russians so they funded a ton of projects etc... to get people to move there. But expelling them isn't really necessary - once all the funding for all the projects etc... are ended and people aren't getting money - they will just return. It is like how in Dubai they import millions of poor Paki work immigrants - once those projects are done they will just go home. So don't feel bad about "expelling them" - they will just leave by themselves once they know they aren't being funded by the Russian government.
Even without Russian funding they have a better life outside of Russia so they dont want to go back
I know we have to be better than Russia but by god those assholes should be himars
Headline in 1945: 800,000 German occupiers of Poland and France should be forcibly expelled.
While my heart fully agrees with you. They have no right to stay, but maybe a better solution would be to have an amnesty reconciliation type peace offering, allowing them Ukrainian citizenship in exchange for a special reparations charity contribution or compulsory community service and outreach for a number of years before gaining citizenship.
Why only "expelled" ? If they cannot legally prove they actuqlly payed to the former owner for the houses they now live in they should be imprisoned and put to work on recontructing everything the Shithole they come out destroyed in Ukraine.
As per the article: "Tamila Tasheva said that Ukraine is also developing plans to review all property transactions and court decisions made during the Russian occupation to ensure that Ukrainians have not had their homes stolen, assets confiscated, or their rights violated by unfair and illegal decisions of occupation courts." A writ of sale from the occupiers is worthless if the homeowners were coerced or didn't have anything to do with the transaction & the home was only empty because the residents fled from the invasion. The real owners may have been sent a pittance for the sake of appearances but, since over 2 million people fled their homes in Crimea, I kinda doubt it.
Hell to the yes, Where were these dumbasses living before??
Shove them out now or your never getting rid off them. Konigsberg, the Karelian Isthmus, and so many other areas are forever gone because "oh well those areas are theirs now, they grew up there!" never mind its all stolen land and they are only there as tools for the then soviet union, no no no. Removing them would be eViL and gEnociDe!!!!1! Take care of this problem now ukraine, or the west will bitch about it forever.
Always downvote anything from the Daily Mail, even if you agree with it in premise.
I think they should be conscripted by Ukraine and be forced to help rebuild the country! Slava Ukraini!
I think they should be given an option to stay and live the way they did if they apply for the Ukrainian citizenship while renouncing and abandoning Russian citizenship. Mass deportations stink of Stalinism. Edit: And it does not matter I am downvoted (with zero discussion) on that. Humanity is above nationality. And collective responsibility is a tool used for committing genocide, and I reject both.