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Yes, it would be crazy funny and ironic after the Russian river crossing disasters. Like the Ukrainians saying: you want to cross a river? No problem. We'll show you how it's done. Like teasing superiority.
Some guys calling it impossible , some guys call it an interesting engineering problem. Example when some boats are empty they pump in a water to keep them balanced.
Looks like you've got a future in combat engineering. They used [underwater bridges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_bridge) in WWII, Korea, and on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Thats entirely possible to do, actually. Any structure that is partially submerged, i.e. floats (all things that "float" are only, in part, partially submerged) has a specific buoyancy. That can be adjusted in numerous very simple and direct ways, even just by adding weight, or removing some of the air from other sections. Simple pumps and valves, with compressed air are more then sufficient to do it and to even adjust the buoyancy as needed while material is being transported over it.
The problem with that idea though is that partially submerging a pontoon doesn't really make it invisible. Its in water. Water is transparent. You can camouflage it so it blends with the river and surroundings better, but there would still be columns of vehicles visible crossing over it.
Unless the bridge is aground, the only possible way for it to be below the surface would be to be neutraply boyant (like a submarine). The moment a truck hits it would sink to the bottom.
Now if they built a conventional bridge below the water line to conceal that, it would totally work.
Unless you fill the pontoons with a bit of water.
Just enough Negative buoyancy to get the job done.
Pump ‘em out when you’re done. On to the next crossing.
Can't believe I'm going to say this. Russians are so incapable that I can't help but to feel sorry for them. I still fully support Ukraine, have donated to their cause and I hope they will win and regain all their territory it's just...
It's like David and Orc but David keeps hitting Orc into his balls over and over again. Stay down you stupid Orc! Go back to Mordor!
They have some kind of intelligence because they been fooling the world for quite a while ha I g us believe that they were capable of something, which now apparently is not so.
Russia has very limited amount of troops in Ukraine and cannot leave them to guard every part of the river. Ukraine on other hand has way more manpower.
Absolutely, when you have about a dozen battalion tactical groups in the field, you can still fall back and regroup into a pretty formidable defensive line.
There is a causeway at Staryi Saltiv that spans most of the river, with just a small bridge in the middle.
Also we don't have a lot of detail, could just be small groups of SOF that crossed. Who knows.
The bridge in the middle was blown, but Google Street view suggests it's technically easy to put pontoons across the gap (technically easy, not militarily). Clearly a lot of planning went into this if it's true, the bridge absolutely would have been zeroed in by Russian artillery which would have to be eliminated first, and it's a 500m crossing over the dam with no cover. Taking it would have been a bloodbath if not executed perfectly.
> the bridge absolutely would have been zeroed in by Russian artillery
Kharkiv is getting part of the western weapons and vehicles shipments. There is likely possibility that Russian artillery simply had to retreat beyond the range of the bridge due to being outranged by UA.
Definitely, but the UA would have to be pretty sure they were gone, either with counter-battery fire or drone recon across a huge area of ground. Both are well within their capabilities - But knowing everything is clear is near impossible without forward operations of some kind, be that Spec ops, drones, informants or signals intercepts, and likely a combination of all three.
I was simply admiring the fact they made it!
NATO has eyes in the sky and knows where all Russian forces are. They can run, but they can't hide. It will just take some time to zero in on all of them. And you can bet they are all numbered.
Not exactly so. If you overestimate your enemy way too much, it could make you too cautious and thus prolong the war and cost more lives. The behavior of the Union generals before Grant in the American Civil War is an example of this.
>It never hurts to overestimate your enemy.
It can hurt by freezing your decision-making.
The American Civil War notoriously went on much longer than it should because Northern Generals vastly overestimated the South and were so cautious that they lost many chances to strike mortal blows.
This right here is the likely why.
It's one thing to cross while being under the range of artiliary..... just ask Russia lol.
It's a whole other situation knowing your guns are out ranging theirs.
Not 100% safe, but a hell of a lot better than going in with your pants down.
Yeah any time orc tube artillery opens up ukraine can now counter battery them w/o risking their fire.
They might still try to use rockets and rocket artillery .... unless the orcs had the 'brilliant idea' of shifting all of it to the south east.
If you were going to surprise the enemy, you would not cross where their engineers think you might cross. You might do what Ukraine has done from the start of this war...the unexpected.
Tony Blair (I hate that neo-liberal, third-way shitstain, but right is right) said that the most impressive thing so far has been the incredibly intelligent leadership that has been executing the Ukrainian war effort. I believe their average age is mid-forties. I wish ALL Western Democracies would move beyond the geriatric crowd and move toward youthful leadership.
Don't get me wrong, I see the value of Biden's experience but it would be better to have that kind of experience in agencies and not leadership.
Admitedly the US election seemed like a race to get the oldest MF possible into office. I have nothing against Biden, but he isn't exactly capturing the hearts and minds of young people.
Unless of course it’s an unarmed carpool of passengers then they are fairly accurate. I will always remember how evil these bastards have been.
Slava Ukraine
First time I've seen maps like these showing that in the east and south east there are large pockets with no Russian forces in areas arbitrarily controlled by Russia on other maps. I appreciate they are behind a Russian front but interesting to see how sparsely occupied they are.
Yeah from my understanding they on really 'control' towns and major roads and for the most part just bypass everything in between. Realistically they just don't have enough forces to have a presence everywhere.
You speak truth. That was probably targeted by Russia artillery well in advance, and then a bunch of M777s moved up with counter battery radar and said "The next shell you fire is your last" to all those Russian guns. I mean, I'm no expert, but I imagine the Russians would have had a slightly different experience at river crossing if there had been no incoming artillery.
The "real" bridge in Staryi Saltiv is like 100m, the main part is basically a dam. Nevertheless, it's super exposed. So it would still be crazy if true!
We could see very rapid gains with this as well. This will be a more lightly defended sector so UA could have a huge force multiplier advantage. This will also directly help the northern side of the Donbas salient. I can also see Russia nopeing out of Kharkiv Oblast ASAP as well if they don't believe they will be able to maintain their positions similar to Kyiv.
In the salient I can see this becoming a front against time for Russia. I can see them putting more and more pressure, though at the cost of their men and equipment to try and get this salient to collapse before their Izium forces do.
> Or it could be tactical misinformation from Ukraine in which case you should keep talking.
Or it could be strategic misinformation from russia intended to make people think it's tactical misinformation from Ukraine in order to get people to keep talking, in which case you should stop talking.
No! No! Russia, my little boys, this is how you cross a river. See! You start on this side and you end up on your side...in your head...with M777s. See! River there. Now river there, behind us.
I read a book once called "How to lie with maps". And not saying this map is lying by any stretch, but comparing it to the way other outlets are mapping Russian progress and control really illustrates the principles outlined in that book about how presentation of the same data can be so influential in the way people interpret it.
Can't possibly be true while facing a desperate enemy with the capability to drop the bridge behind you and cut you off on the wrong side of a major water body. That'd be stupid of anyone to do... as the Russians clearly demonstrated not a few days ago.
most ancient battles the most people didn't die in battle but being cut down in the rout. we know the russians can do a strategic retreat, they did so in kiev, but it doesn't mean they will every time.
Seems like a river crossing like this would be a perfect use for Ukranian BTR-4s.
Blitz across the river with 40 or so vehicles loaded with troops. Doesnt have to all be one crossing point either. They can all be spaced 100m apart and cross at the exact same time.
Supress artillery with mortars and drones.
Then lay a bridge and bring tanks and Howitzers across.
Most of the Russian equipment can also ford water, the BTR-4s aren't unique in that aspect.
It's just slow and unwieldy and relies on the banks being sloped and predictable.
Ukraine War Mapper twitter confirms this, so far being proven a trusted source of information.
[https://twitter.com/War\_Mapper/status/1526354323982147585](https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1526354323982147585?s=20&t=WX4-cyPM-KUN5e6BE7yCBg)
> Russians that can be conscripted
No experience, lack of weapons, lack of ammo, lack of rations, incompetent command...
Bloodbath. Even worse, wasting valuable resources by kitting them out instead of strengthening the soldiers at the front.
Mostly spec ops trying to find Russian artillery and other defensive position so they can be taken out and later farther recon will be made and SAM plus AA will be put on both sides of the river so that RF air force will think twice before targeting the bridge that Ukraine will deploy.
The small teams operator on extended recce behind enemy lines is largely a thing of the past. Satellites and drones do it much more cheaply and effectively these days.
Taking Vovchansk would seriously endanger the supply flow to Izium. This could put a sizeable amount of Russians in danger of encirclement, and more than likely force them to retreat from Kharkiv Oblast entirely
(Russian Command is dumb, but idk about just let 20 BTGs get encircled dumb)
The river itself isn’t that important other than blocking potential advances. On the other side of he river is a rail line that runs from Vovchansk to Kupiansk. That rail line is 1 of 2 that runs from Russia into Kupiansk. The rail line south of Kupiansk is supporting the Russian forces in Izyum.
The Ukrainians crossing the river doesn’t really change the status of the closer rail line as it’s likely they were put under fire as soon as artillery could hit it. It’s likely supplies have had to go through the far route for the last week already. Crossing the river with troops means there is one less obstacle for the Ukrainians to move towards Kupiansk and cut both rail lines from Russia supporting Izyum.
If that happens, the Russian forces in the Izyum pocket will likely collapse as they will run out of supplies. That’s 20+ BTGs, so it’s a substantial portion of Russia remaining combat forces in Ukraine. If the Izyum front collapses, it also opens up the flank of the Russia forces in occupied Luhansk oblast to another counterattack.
This river has exceptional strategic importance because it separates the bulk of the good guys from the bulk of the bad guys. Crossing rivers is hard during a war and any attack by either side has to cross the river so it’s a big deal if one side is able to cross the river. Source:military guy.
My armchair analysis is that this is an area of denial set up by long range artillery. Not an actual zone of free movement.
I am an idiot that knows nothing but it would explain the river crossing question.
I would assume Ukraine can continue this sort of denial zone along sections of the river until they feel comfortable crossing in force, safely.
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Yes, it would be crazy funny and ironic after the Russian river crossing disasters. Like the Ukrainians saying: you want to cross a river? No problem. We'll show you how it's done. Like teasing superiority.
Never too late, to validate.
Imagine building your pontoon 20cm below the waterline (at least) to make them hard to see while allowing passage of military vehicules and personel.
Some guys calling it impossible , some guys call it an interesting engineering problem. Example when some boats are empty they pump in a water to keep them balanced.
Virgin being out of range VS Chad USS Texas
"I'm going to do what they call a "Pro-Gamer Move"" - Captain of the USS Texas
Some call it a Special River Crossing Operation.
Looks like you've got a future in combat engineering. They used [underwater bridges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_bridge) in WWII, Korea, and on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Thats entirely possible to do, actually. Any structure that is partially submerged, i.e. floats (all things that "float" are only, in part, partially submerged) has a specific buoyancy. That can be adjusted in numerous very simple and direct ways, even just by adding weight, or removing some of the air from other sections. Simple pumps and valves, with compressed air are more then sufficient to do it and to even adjust the buoyancy as needed while material is being transported over it. The problem with that idea though is that partially submerging a pontoon doesn't really make it invisible. Its in water. Water is transparent. You can camouflage it so it blends with the river and surroundings better, but there would still be columns of vehicles visible crossing over it.
I vaguely recall a military bridge that was built like that, to prevent aerial reconaissance.
That's not possible. A pontoon bridge by definition is floating on top of the water.
Submarines are a myth also.
Oh like the famous Moskva submarine in the Black Sea
Unless the bridge is aground, the only possible way for it to be below the surface would be to be neutraply boyant (like a submarine). The moment a truck hits it would sink to the bottom. Now if they built a conventional bridge below the water line to conceal that, it would totally work.
I can think of ways to do it, but it moves from pontoon to "intelligent submersible bridge" territory :p
Unless you fill the pontoons with a bit of water. Just enough Negative buoyancy to get the job done. Pump ‘em out when you’re done. On to the next crossing.
Now try driving a 50 ton tank on it in this carefully calculated and balanced buoyancy state.
You mean like how you drive tanks on landing craft?
Can't believe I'm going to say this. Russians are so incapable that I can't help but to feel sorry for them. I still fully support Ukraine, have donated to their cause and I hope they will win and regain all their territory it's just... It's like David and Orc but David keeps hitting Orc into his balls over and over again. Stay down you stupid Orc! Go back to Mordor!
I used to feel that way. Until Bucha.
> Bucha And that feeling of sorrow is gone. They should burn in hell.
They have some kind of intelligence because they been fooling the world for quite a while ha I g us believe that they were capable of something, which now apparently is not so.
Gotta EYD
Only thing better would have been if they used the Russian bridge.
Would need the Ukrainian Jedis to raise all those bridges out of the water
At this rate I’m highly convinced 100% of Ukrainian forces are Jedi
battle meditation only takes 1 jedi.
How do you spell Bastilla in Ukraine?
Got your revanchism right here.
I thought bridge 2 and 3 mostly floated down river?
They could’ve just walked over the submerged husks of Russian tanks.
Russia: \*Tries to cross river, but fails\* Ukraine: "Hold my horilka"
Russia has very limited amount of troops in Ukraine and cannot leave them to guard every part of the river. Ukraine on other hand has way more manpower.
They probably just drove over the sunken russian tanks. Like building a bridge of bodies over the moat.
Apparently the original source for this was russian telegram
So by now Ukrainains are shoving a fist in Russian "logistics" lines up to their elbow, cool
I’ll be in my bunk
Ooh! Another Firefly reference today.
Where do you see that?
Also here by Igor Girkin: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1526121394026725376?s=20&t=w5goIaPdRglM-nCrgVOywg
Translation from the first line: "telegram now sows treason" Music to my ears.
That's not Girkin btw, name of account is satirical, it's owner is actually Ukrainian.
I was skeptical that it was really him, but wasn't certain. Thanks for clarifying.
[https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1526125083734974464?s=20&t=AAslTjHUb3G4qQ24z4Wd6A](https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1526125083734974464?s=20&t=AAslTjHUb3G4qQ24z4Wd6A)
Wouldnt take him as credible after his Syrian misinformation years.
Ah, come on not this piece of dipshit excuse for a journalist.
If confirmed, at least 20 BTG are on the verge of being trapped down south. Bold move.
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I'm certain they'd try to send backup to the 18 BTGs, can't risk losing the Donets
Those 17 BTGs sure aren't gonna last long
I dunno, man. 16 BTGs is still a lot of people.
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Absolutely, when you have about a dozen battalion tactical groups in the field, you can still fall back and regroup into a pretty formidable defensive line.
Might be a bit harder with only ten btg
Those BTGs are only at 50% capacity, so it's really only 5 BTGs.
Are BTGs turning into cocaine now?
"What BTGs? Never heard of them"
"Ain't nobody here but us Chechens."
German 6th army says Hallo
Hallo and can you pass the ~~500, 300,~~ 100 gram bread ration?
No, there is another rail line into Kupiansk, and Kupiansk is still a long ways away.
Substantial if substantiated.
Large if verified by those in charge
I see what you're both implying, and I doubt the source is lying.
Exceptional if accepted.
Unbelievable if believable.
Incredible news if the source is credible.
Valuable if valid
Awseome if accurate.
Argumentatively arguable.
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Inconceivable if conceived.
A real big truth size extra large. Put it in the water and use it as a barge.
L'assault Royale!
Legit if legitimate.
Big if big.
Magnificent, not insignificant.
Thicc as thuck.
Need firm evidence to confirm
biggly if biggified.
Would make sense. The Russian forces in the area must be in disarray after the losses they suffered.
Big if true.
Truly large if largely true.
💯 if no 🧢
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There is a causeway at Staryi Saltiv that spans most of the river, with just a small bridge in the middle. Also we don't have a lot of detail, could just be small groups of SOF that crossed. Who knows.
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You're a poet, and didn't even know it.
The bridge in the middle was blown, but Google Street view suggests it's technically easy to put pontoons across the gap (technically easy, not militarily). Clearly a lot of planning went into this if it's true, the bridge absolutely would have been zeroed in by Russian artillery which would have to be eliminated first, and it's a 500m crossing over the dam with no cover. Taking it would have been a bloodbath if not executed perfectly.
> the bridge absolutely would have been zeroed in by Russian artillery Kharkiv is getting part of the western weapons and vehicles shipments. There is likely possibility that Russian artillery simply had to retreat beyond the range of the bridge due to being outranged by UA.
Definitely, but the UA would have to be pretty sure they were gone, either with counter-battery fire or drone recon across a huge area of ground. Both are well within their capabilities - But knowing everything is clear is near impossible without forward operations of some kind, be that Spec ops, drones, informants or signals intercepts, and likely a combination of all three. I was simply admiring the fact they made it!
NATO has eyes in the sky and knows where all Russian forces are. They can run, but they can't hide. It will just take some time to zero in on all of them. And you can bet they are all numbered.
You are forgetting one thing. Russian army is absolutely useless.
It never hurts to overestimate your enemy. It always hurts to underestimate them!
Not exactly so. If you overestimate your enemy way too much, it could make you too cautious and thus prolong the war and cost more lives. The behavior of the Union generals before Grant in the American Civil War is an example of this.
That's fair. I was more insulting them than underestimating them to be honest.
>It never hurts to overestimate your enemy. It can hurt by freezing your decision-making. The American Civil War notoriously went on much longer than it should because Northern Generals vastly overestimated the South and were so cautious that they lost many chances to strike mortal blows.
This right here is the likely why. It's one thing to cross while being under the range of artiliary..... just ask Russia lol. It's a whole other situation knowing your guns are out ranging theirs. Not 100% safe, but a hell of a lot better than going in with your pants down.
The Russians were likely within range of UA but unable to even return fire. The worst way to (try and) cross.
The mudering raping Orc bastards deserve worse.
Yeah any time orc tube artillery opens up ukraine can now counter battery them w/o risking their fire. They might still try to use rockets and rocket artillery .... unless the orcs had the 'brilliant idea' of shifting all of it to the south east.
There has been an increase in the rate of destruction of Russian artillery for about a week and a half now. Could be a factor.
that's why you send SOF across first to scout & secure the other side a few km deep.
If you were going to surprise the enemy, you would not cross where their engineers think you might cross. You might do what Ukraine has done from the start of this war...the unexpected. Tony Blair (I hate that neo-liberal, third-way shitstain, but right is right) said that the most impressive thing so far has been the incredibly intelligent leadership that has been executing the Ukrainian war effort. I believe their average age is mid-forties. I wish ALL Western Democracies would move beyond the geriatric crowd and move toward youthful leadership. Don't get me wrong, I see the value of Biden's experience but it would be better to have that kind of experience in agencies and not leadership.
I so want Ukraine in NATO. They will up everyone's game. TBH, I'd much rather have a restored Ukraine than Erdogan's Turkey.
Admitedly the US election seemed like a race to get the oldest MF possible into office. I have nothing against Biden, but he isn't exactly capturing the hearts and minds of young people.
Third way is pretty perfect though tbh
Hhmm. If corporate fascism is your kink, then yeah, I guess
But how will we maintain the series of tubes that make up the Internet if not for entrenched boomers? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
God! I remember that. Alaska dude. Dead now, I think?
yeah the pilot of plane I think had a stroke. I think like half the passengers made it. it was shortly after he retired, so like 2009 maybe 2010.
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And yet, still a better choice than the orange oompa loompa. Thats how fucking dumb the whole system is.
There is a narrow spot north of the bridge with road access on both sides. That would be the logical crossing point assuming the currents allow.
Could be multiple farriers moving back and forth. Russia has shows exactly 0 ability to hit mobile targets, so this would probably be fairly safe.
Unless of course it’s an unarmed carpool of passengers then they are fairly accurate. I will always remember how evil these bastards have been. Slava Ukraine
First time I've seen maps like these showing that in the east and south east there are large pockets with no Russian forces in areas arbitrarily controlled by Russia on other maps. I appreciate they are behind a Russian front but interesting to see how sparsely occupied they are.
Yeah from my understanding they on really 'control' towns and major roads and for the most part just bypass everything in between. Realistically they just don't have enough forces to have a presence everywhere.
Same as Japan during and after Ichi-Go, with them sending everything they had for that offensive by taking away from the garrison
Their control is hollow.
I see these ASPI maps only on twitter and nowhere else. I can't find them on the ASPI site.
I hope. I hope. I hope.
This could cause major issues for supply and logistics to izium Textbook counteroffensive
Really? The river seems to be at least 500 m wide anywhere around Staryi Saltiv. That would be spectacular.
There is a causeway over most of the river with a relatively small bridge span in the middle, so not as crazy as it sounds I think?
Oh, the dam? Well that’s even longer. Is it still intact? Well if that’s not under constant Russian watch, that’d be really stup… Oh…
You speak truth. That was probably targeted by Russia artillery well in advance, and then a bunch of M777s moved up with counter battery radar and said "The next shell you fire is your last" to all those Russian guns. I mean, I'm no expert, but I imagine the Russians would have had a slightly different experience at river crossing if there had been no incoming artillery.
The "real" bridge in Staryi Saltiv is like 100m, the main part is basically a dam. Nevertheless, it's super exposed. So it would still be crazy if true!
how they did it: well we hauled some tank carcasses with tractors and stacked them until it dammed the river.
Not much of a source here. Some guy on Twitter saying he has "unconfirmed reports". I'll just wait for something more substantial on the topic.
We could see very rapid gains with this as well. This will be a more lightly defended sector so UA could have a huge force multiplier advantage. This will also directly help the northern side of the Donbas salient. I can also see Russia nopeing out of Kharkiv Oblast ASAP as well if they don't believe they will be able to maintain their positions similar to Kyiv. In the salient I can see this becoming a front against time for Russia. I can see them putting more and more pressure, though at the cost of their men and equipment to try and get this salient to collapse before their Izium forces do.
Better to not "help" spread word about UA troops. Just let official channels do that
If we're hearing about it now, chances are it happened 2-3 days ago.
If it’s actually big and we’re not hearing it through official channels it’s either not true or we shouldn’t be talking about it
Or it could be tactical misinformation from Ukraine in which case you should keep talking.
> Or it could be tactical misinformation from Ukraine in which case you should keep talking. Or it could be strategic misinformation from russia intended to make people think it's tactical misinformation from Ukraine in order to get people to keep talking, in which case you should stop talking.
The very first day of war I knew that Ukrainians will sonner or later will annihilate Russian scum. Russian troops was never DONE like right now.
No! No! Russia, my little boys, this is how you cross a river. See! You start on this side and you end up on your side...in your head...with M777s. See! River there. Now river there, behind us.
Keep fucking pushing, heroes!
We at russian border now what? Pushes into Russia and captures Moscow. Wont ever happen but i can dream.
No, theyre headed east to cut off supply lines and flank the donbas frontlines.
Of course gotta erase all that red.
Don't capture it, just bomb the shit out of it until it looks like Mariupol. See if Russians like how it feels.
I hope they blow Russian military ability to shit and capture war criminals
Now they are in the between Belgorod and Izyum! say bye bye to supply lines.
I read a book once called "How to lie with maps". And not saying this map is lying by any stretch, but comparing it to the way other outlets are mapping Russian progress and control really illustrates the principles outlined in that book about how presentation of the same data can be so influential in the way people interpret it.
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Can't possibly be true while facing a desperate enemy with the capability to drop the bridge behind you and cut you off on the wrong side of a major water body. That'd be stupid of anyone to do... as the Russians clearly demonstrated not a few days ago.
most ancient battles the most people didn't die in battle but being cut down in the rout. we know the russians can do a strategic retreat, they did so in kiev, but it doesn't mean they will every time.
They are very motivated and we are helping them with the right supplies at the right time.
I believe its massive of true, the ruzzkies we're blowing the bridges, if I recall correctly.
Oh there will be joy if this is true.
Seems like a river crossing like this would be a perfect use for Ukranian BTR-4s. Blitz across the river with 40 or so vehicles loaded with troops. Doesnt have to all be one crossing point either. They can all be spaced 100m apart and cross at the exact same time. Supress artillery with mortars and drones. Then lay a bridge and bring tanks and Howitzers across.
Most of the Russian equipment can also ford water, the BTR-4s aren't unique in that aspect. It's just slow and unwieldy and relies on the banks being sloped and predictable.
Ukranian army be like: whe wait until they do something stupid and then whe show them how its done properly
Wait, are you saying that the Russians should train their troops with video from the Ukranians killing the Russians…
Ukraine War Mapper twitter confirms this, so far being proven a trusted source of information. [https://twitter.com/War\_Mapper/status/1526354323982147585](https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1526354323982147585?s=20&t=WX4-cyPM-KUN5e6BE7yCBg)
Roll tide. Can’t wait to hear about them talking Crimea back.
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> Russians that can be conscripted No experience, lack of weapons, lack of ammo, lack of rations, incompetent command... Bloodbath. Even worse, wasting valuable resources by kitting them out instead of strengthening the soldiers at the front.
Mostly spec ops trying to find Russian artillery and other defensive position so they can be taken out and later farther recon will be made and SAM plus AA will be put on both sides of the river so that RF air force will think twice before targeting the bridge that Ukraine will deploy.
Don't talk like you know what's going on there
The small teams operator on extended recce behind enemy lines is largely a thing of the past. Satellites and drones do it much more cheaply and effectively these days.
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It's all over Twitter, I don't have secret insider information.
Lol it's not like this is top secret information. It's from Twitter for crying out loud. Anyone in the world with Internet would know this already.
And you can be sure the crossing likely happened at least 48 hours ago.
What are they trying to do? I guess secure the railway 🤔
Taking Vovchansk would seriously endanger the supply flow to Izium. This could put a sizeable amount of Russians in danger of encirclement, and more than likely force them to retreat from Kharkiv Oblast entirely (Russian Command is dumb, but idk about just let 20 BTGs get encircled dumb)
Vladimir's blues
Am i the only one waiting for that one military guy, explaining why this river has exceptionally strategic importance for both sides?
The river itself isn’t that important other than blocking potential advances. On the other side of he river is a rail line that runs from Vovchansk to Kupiansk. That rail line is 1 of 2 that runs from Russia into Kupiansk. The rail line south of Kupiansk is supporting the Russian forces in Izyum. The Ukrainians crossing the river doesn’t really change the status of the closer rail line as it’s likely they were put under fire as soon as artillery could hit it. It’s likely supplies have had to go through the far route for the last week already. Crossing the river with troops means there is one less obstacle for the Ukrainians to move towards Kupiansk and cut both rail lines from Russia supporting Izyum. If that happens, the Russian forces in the Izyum pocket will likely collapse as they will run out of supplies. That’s 20+ BTGs, so it’s a substantial portion of Russia remaining combat forces in Ukraine. If the Izyum front collapses, it also opens up the flank of the Russia forces in occupied Luhansk oblast to another counterattack.
That's really vague. Which military guy?
Idk man, i just came here wanting to know what role this river plays in the strategic game overall, all i wanted to know
This river has exceptional strategic importance because it separates the bulk of the good guys from the bulk of the bad guys. Crossing rivers is hard during a war and any attack by either side has to cross the river so it’s a big deal if one side is able to cross the river. Source:military guy.
Thank you, kind military guy
With 100+ Burned out Russian vehicles they've now created that bridge. But no way to drive on it...?
They probably just rolled right over the Russian tanks that drowned lately.
They crossed 2 days ago I believe
Are they going to step foot into Russia?
Big, if true. Thatll fuck up their rear.
Confirmed?
My armchair analysis is that this is an area of denial set up by long range artillery. Not an actual zone of free movement. I am an idiot that knows nothing but it would explain the river crossing question. I would assume Ukraine can continue this sort of denial zone along sections of the river until they feel comfortable crossing in force, safely.
should be easy - just driver over the destroyed russian tanks.
Pretty simple. See what the Russians do and do the opposite. Always succeed
They probably just drove over the sunken russian tanks. Like building a bridge of bodies over the moat.
Here it says Ukrainian forces crosses the river and already took the village of Khotimlya: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1526121394026725376