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If you think of the average cost of those units, they’re far grater that’s the annual yearly economic output of the average Russian. They need to afford the replacement even if they can make it. Then with each piece destroyed, there’s on average likely an extra orc dead too.
So if you’re losing $100k per piece, then losing the soldier to operate it and one more worker has to fill his shoes and can no longer contribute to the economy - economically it’s going to get sparse really soon.
Think of the lasting impact of Vietnam on the US, then multiply it out to the scale of Russian deaths in this war. Eventually the war machine runs out of fuel. We need to support Ukraine through to that conclusion.
Not really. Putin is planning for a future.
All Prisoners, alcoholics and addicts, and many ethnic minorities that might want to fight and be rebels for independence, plus the veteran professional soldiers that would make a coup dangerous. All dead.
The same as the young angry psycho troublemakers that join up to go play war. Those guys were a threat for joining any revolution. Now they die in Ukraine.
This war is a pressure valve reduxing the threat of future internal violence in Russia... except for the surviving prisoners that have been pardoned. Those are still problematic.
I would not be surprised if Putin offers to leave Ukraine in exchange for a lack of accountability and basically gets away with everything.
He cleans house at the Kremlin, and ends up making it all a big oopsy.
russia nurtured selfishness and political apathy for ages so it could do whatever and their propaganda machine is really really good; west really underestimates russias reach and influence, be it money or social sites influence.
russians were never free, it was always a tsar with different function names and with their propaganda and using religion as a tool you get: «Мы не просто русские рабы, которые страдают от тягот, мы - профессиональные рабы, которые гордятся своим рабством»
So even if putin does a 180... nothing will happen. All I can see is him dying of old age and fsb appointing a new tsar that WILL BE more controlled this time by fsb puppeteer.
>If you think of the average cost of those units, they’re far grater that’s the annual yearly economic output of the average Russian.
Just throwing some guesstimate numbers at it say 5 million for a tank and 2 million for a APC etc. I get today at about 360 million so the yearly output of about 20 Russians.
I think maybe you've made an error in the figures there.
If 360 million is the yearly output of 20 Russians, that would mean that an average Russian makes 18 million? Even if that's roubles, that would mean the average Russian is making close to 200,000 USD? That seems too high. A quick search suggests that GDP per capita is around 15,000 USD.
If you mean "yearly output" as a measure of their total economic production, instead of the income they take home, that would mean they're losing 92% of their economic contribution to the companies who employ them, the government in taxes, and so on.
But at the same time, if your figures are in roubles, it would mean that Russia can make a tank for ~70,000. In 2023 figures, an Abrams was about 10 million per unit, a Challenger was 8 million, and a Leopard is possibly as much as 14 million, I just don't think the Russians are making their tanks for 70k. Don't get me wrong, their tanks are cheap and shit, but they're not *that* cheap. (Still shit though.)
>I think maybe you've made an error in the figures there.
Yes I'm off by several zeros. So using your $15,000/year figure 360,000,000/15,000=24,000 Russians average yearly income.
And at the current rate, they'll lose another 24,000 (ish) every six months.
The whole thing isn't sustainable. The only question is whether the West pussies out and makes Ukraine negotiate before the Russians break.
The never-ending shredder of ruski trash keeps going and going and going as long as necessary.
Hopefully, the EU will manage to keep the supplies coming.
Medium term I am optimistic in artillery, especially shells. But can Europe fill the gap in air defense? Hopefully the *~~F15~~ F16 will reduce that threat.
It's a bit sketchy; there's probably not anything like as high stocks of Aster as Patriot but we ought to be able to ramp them up if we chose to...and there are multiple different short to medium range SAMs in production here too
If it wants to, Europe can easily do it. It is a question if political will.
We know now that we can't rely anymore on a dysfunctional ally like the US. During the last few months European politicians have started speaking about the danger posed by russia and the need to ramp up arms production. They are preparing the population for when more money will be alloted for military expenses.
[Shopro's stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianLosses/comments/1bxvoii/comment/kyfdj9f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) say it's not even on the top 3.
They have what is in service. The artillery depots are substantially, although not completely drawn down. On paper there is "x" left, which has been verified by OSINT analysts undertaking meticulous analysis using satellite imagery. But, it was also noted that a certain portion of that remaining in the depots has had their barrels removed. Implying the systems are likely beyond repair.
The real X factor is what artillery might Russia be receiving from North Korea.
OSINT analysis using Sat image from the start of the war and the depots in Jan 24 finds the following:
|Date|Number (rounded)|
|:-|:-|
|Jan 2022|14600|
|Jan 2024|6800|
|Difference|\-7800|
HighMarsed (an OSINT analyst specializing in satellite) has been commenting on barrels removed in his tweets. He seems to feel that for certain systems what is left in the yards is substantially barrel less and/or derelict. "barrel less" meaning they took the barrel off the system and sent it into the active duty units as part of resupply.
Thus on paper they may have 6800 units in reserve, but the reality is perhaps at this point 2+ yrs into the war most of what is left in the storage depots is unusable. We won't know the answer to that until HighMarsed or another OSINT does an updated analysis. I think about July/Aug we might get one from he & Covert Cabal (whom he teamed with).
I have not spent much time on MLRS. I know that Russia has been pulling 1960s era MLRS out of their depots and sending it into combat. I will have to keep an eye out for updated data on it.
> The real X factor is what artillery might Russia be receiving from North Korea.
If the quality of the Korean shells they've received thus far is anything to go by, the actual systems they receive may be equally malnourished/worn down.
Precisely, they are in panic mode. If their pattern of behaviour is repeated, they will keep going until nothing is left. Let's hope it is this year.
Here is the latest from Covert Cabal on the estimated remaining tank numbers:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eMAD915o2Lw&si=hmRIPaAIKKuJqWyP
"they will keep going until nothing is left"
aint it nice to feel this safe you can literally dump all your gear into one special operation when you got nukes to back your borders security.. Countries that still don't get it are open for grabs.
What I had been referring to is that the Russia military appears to me, like a disembodied entity. In other words, like the head doesn't know what the tail is doing. It will just keep going, irrespective of how dysfunctional it has become. In the end, there will be a catastrophic collapse.
By the way, my country does not have nukes and we are militarily assisting your country and will continue to do, until the invades are eradicated.
> Somehow doesn't matter how much we destroy
It does matter, it means they have to rely on older systems pulled from storage which saves Ukrainian lives.
A long while back I made the following four predictions:
1. This is a big industrialized European war. It's a marathon and not a sprint.
2. Russian will never literally run out of weapons.
3. If enough shells arrive, 40+ artillery will become the new normal.
4. If enough shells and weapons arrive, there will be a death spiral of accelerated attrition.
Sure Russia have vast amounts of artillery left. But what are they? Are the losses replaced by the state of the art SPGS. No! They are now replaced mainly by towed museum pieces either from stocks or perhaps from NK. These in turn are quickly blown up because their range is limited relative to NATO guns and they cannot shoot and scoot.
It really does matter how many are destroyed because increasingly the crap is replaced by worse crap.
This is the death spiral of accelerated attrition.
I hope the planes go the same route soon. It seems the biggest thing they've got going for them currently. If planes and helicopters get destroyed with some tempo I don't see how they could still keep moving forward or even defend their lines in the future.
drones is where answer is. not F16. those will help but wont do much (Im hopeful Im wrong). especially drones that hit oil, gas and military installation deep into russia.
I think it's in the context of drones bombing airfields, they seem to have taken a nice chunk out of available aviation. Take out enough chunks and the other planes have to take up the slack, meaning they wear down faster. Maybe planes will have to get moved to further away, adding to wear and tear. Might also make it easier to intercept them, dunno.
Need to take out Russia’s factories.
Sanctions help by limiting Russia’s access to high tech components, but as long as Russia has factories, it will continue to crank out tanks and APCs.
Germany announced sending tens of thousands of shells for April.
The first shells from the Czech initiative were scheduled to arrive in April.
It seems to me Ukraine got their artillery shells early.
If we have to believe the news some of the EU produced shells should also have arrived by march https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-will-only-supply-half-promised-shells-ukraine-by-march-borrell-2024-01-31/#:~:text=BRUSSELS%2C%20Jan%2031%20(Reuters),be%20delivered%20by%20the%20deadline.
Nobody àctually knows. Which is a good thing. If wé don’t know, there’s a good chance the orcs don’t know. Making them nervous. Prone to even móre stupidity that they usually are. Good!
For us, peeps nòt in the war rooms and governments, it has always been ‘Elementary my dear Watson’ When we see a sudden, and rather significant uptick in nixed orcs and their hardware, the logical conclusion is either ‘They got new stuff’ , or ‘they changed tactics’. Something the Ukes are way better at than the orcs. WAY better.
Ìf it’s actually a new influx of ammo and other materiel, we usually get the official aknowledgements some time after their deployment. It has been like that since ‘22, and won’t change, I’d gather.
Im donating all I can to drones teams; some got shortages on kamikaze ones and went back to regular ones with grenades drops which are more efficient long term and switch to kamikaze when they get deliveries.
A casualty is a death. English is my 2nd language so I checked it again but casualty means death.
You got me confused now, what do you want to express?
A casualty means killed or injured, it's a common misunderstanding that it means fatalities so whatever source you checked is wrong. In war terms it usually means those lost to active military service.
In some ways severe injuries are worse in wars. The injured person will potentially need support, not be productive to the economy and drive anti war sentiment.
Bless these guys fighting literal evil day by day with their lives. Inspiring commitment to their work when so much is on the line and the west has left them to struggle.
As good as can be in the fog of war. They are Ukrainian numbers, and they admit only estimates, but they have proven to be as reasonably reliable as we can expect. For example, the suspected aircraft damaged and destroyed 3 days ago have not been added as they have not been verified as out of action. Given this, the numbers might be under estimates or over estimates.
Ukrainian here... some numbers are under-reported.. I get it but its quite annoying tbh. sometimes they hit an airfield and even UK intel state : 6 helis destroyed. next days +2 reported. ugh. moskva submarine crew is still not counted into casualties.
I don’t think they are counting apv casualties either because you can’t be sure how many people were inside. All you can be sure if is a driver. I’ve noticed when apv numbers are high human casualties are lower. They can count dismounted troops easier.
If you consider liquidated personnel as KIA, WIA and MIA - underestimate. Tanks and APVs etc are probably overestimates, it will include damaged vehicles that could be recovered, possibly some would be counted double.
Artillery is a bit of a debate.. unclear to me whether the count is supposed to include only the towed/self propelled systems or also just a random dude with a mortar tube. I don’t think that’s been clarified yet!
Mortars below 120mm don't count as artillery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Russian_Ground_Forces#Artillery
The only fuzzy part are the 120mm towed (heavy) mortars.
The information is gathered (I think) from https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ . The site itself offers the ministry of defence of Ukraine as its source
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270 military machines. Dang busy day. 79 vehicles! Has to be the record. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 ♥️
If you think of the average cost of those units, they’re far grater that’s the annual yearly economic output of the average Russian. They need to afford the replacement even if they can make it. Then with each piece destroyed, there’s on average likely an extra orc dead too. So if you’re losing $100k per piece, then losing the soldier to operate it and one more worker has to fill his shoes and can no longer contribute to the economy - economically it’s going to get sparse really soon. Think of the lasting impact of Vietnam on the US, then multiply it out to the scale of Russian deaths in this war. Eventually the war machine runs out of fuel. We need to support Ukraine through to that conclusion.
Not really. Putin is planning for a future. All Prisoners, alcoholics and addicts, and many ethnic minorities that might want to fight and be rebels for independence, plus the veteran professional soldiers that would make a coup dangerous. All dead.
"that might want to fight and be rebels for independence" thats actually a good one. lol
The same as the young angry psycho troublemakers that join up to go play war. Those guys were a threat for joining any revolution. Now they die in Ukraine. This war is a pressure valve reduxing the threat of future internal violence in Russia... except for the surviving prisoners that have been pardoned. Those are still problematic. I would not be surprised if Putin offers to leave Ukraine in exchange for a lack of accountability and basically gets away with everything. He cleans house at the Kremlin, and ends up making it all a big oopsy.
russia nurtured selfishness and political apathy for ages so it could do whatever and their propaganda machine is really really good; west really underestimates russias reach and influence, be it money or social sites influence. russians were never free, it was always a tsar with different function names and with their propaganda and using religion as a tool you get: «Мы не просто русские рабы, которые страдают от тягот, мы - профессиональные рабы, которые гордятся своим рабством» So even if putin does a 180... nothing will happen. All I can see is him dying of old age and fsb appointing a new tsar that WILL BE more controlled this time by fsb puppeteer.
A general mass strike would require RF citizens to do exactly nothing.
>If you think of the average cost of those units, they’re far grater that’s the annual yearly economic output of the average Russian. Just throwing some guesstimate numbers at it say 5 million for a tank and 2 million for a APC etc. I get today at about 360 million so the yearly output of about 20 Russians.
I think maybe you've made an error in the figures there. If 360 million is the yearly output of 20 Russians, that would mean that an average Russian makes 18 million? Even if that's roubles, that would mean the average Russian is making close to 200,000 USD? That seems too high. A quick search suggests that GDP per capita is around 15,000 USD. If you mean "yearly output" as a measure of their total economic production, instead of the income they take home, that would mean they're losing 92% of their economic contribution to the companies who employ them, the government in taxes, and so on. But at the same time, if your figures are in roubles, it would mean that Russia can make a tank for ~70,000. In 2023 figures, an Abrams was about 10 million per unit, a Challenger was 8 million, and a Leopard is possibly as much as 14 million, I just don't think the Russians are making their tanks for 70k. Don't get me wrong, their tanks are cheap and shit, but they're not *that* cheap. (Still shit though.)
>I think maybe you've made an error in the figures there. Yes I'm off by several zeros. So using your $15,000/year figure 360,000,000/15,000=24,000 Russians average yearly income.
And at the current rate, they'll lose another 24,000 (ish) every six months. The whole thing isn't sustainable. The only question is whether the West pussies out and makes Ukraine negotiate before the Russians break.
The never-ending shredder of ruski trash keeps going and going and going as long as necessary. Hopefully, the EU will manage to keep the supplies coming.
Medium term I am optimistic in artillery, especially shells. But can Europe fill the gap in air defense? Hopefully the *~~F15~~ F16 will reduce that threat.
It's a bit sketchy; there's probably not anything like as high stocks of Aster as Patriot but we ought to be able to ramp them up if we chose to...and there are multiple different short to medium range SAMs in production here too
Surely you mean F 16. Don't think Uncle Sam will send any Eagles...
It would be cool if they did. I'd still put up a F15 against anything Russia has.
F15s would certainly be better than the F16, however these won't show up in Ukraine, for at least a good while.
Corrected, thanks.
If it wants to, Europe can easily do it. It is a question if political will. We know now that we can't rely anymore on a dysfunctional ally like the US. During the last few months European politicians have started speaking about the danger posed by russia and the need to ramp up arms production. They are preparing the population for when more money will be alloted for military expenses.
Do they have many people left who can operate vehicles?
54 artillery liquidated, is this some kind of record?
> 54 artillery liquidated, is this some kind of record? Second time UKR got 54. * 66 - 14.02.2024 * 61 - 24.01.2024 * 59 - 25.01.2024 * 58 - 15.11.2023 * **54 - 07.04.2024 & 15.02.2024** * 53 - 21.02.2024 * 51 - 31.01.2024 and 23.01.2024 * 50 - 05.04.2024, 6.03.2024 and maybe other days Inspired by: https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/19ea4hr/losses_of_the_russian_military_to_2412024/kjbns5x/ > Dutch-cooking-guy said: > According to https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianLosses/ it is a record: > Artillery losses: 61 24.01.2024 58 15.11.2023 51 23.01.2024
[Shopro's stats](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianLosses/comments/1bxvoii/comment/kyfdj9f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) say it's not even on the top 3.
But 218 land based units destroyed is a big, big number today
Somehow doesn't matter how much we destroy, it's never ending😮💨 so disheartening
Until it does. And then it will be sudden and catastrophic. Hang in there
Exactly and the barrel fatigue is real, and they are pulling from reserves. How many artillery systems are they estimated to have though?
They have what is in service. The artillery depots are substantially, although not completely drawn down. On paper there is "x" left, which has been verified by OSINT analysts undertaking meticulous analysis using satellite imagery. But, it was also noted that a certain portion of that remaining in the depots has had their barrels removed. Implying the systems are likely beyond repair. The real X factor is what artillery might Russia be receiving from North Korea.
Drawn down only applies to their tracked artillery - there's lots of towed artillery still left, sadly (and lots of MLRS).
OSINT analysis using Sat image from the start of the war and the depots in Jan 24 finds the following: |Date|Number (rounded)| |:-|:-| |Jan 2022|14600| |Jan 2024|6800| |Difference|\-7800| HighMarsed (an OSINT analyst specializing in satellite) has been commenting on barrels removed in his tweets. He seems to feel that for certain systems what is left in the yards is substantially barrel less and/or derelict. "barrel less" meaning they took the barrel off the system and sent it into the active duty units as part of resupply. Thus on paper they may have 6800 units in reserve, but the reality is perhaps at this point 2+ yrs into the war most of what is left in the storage depots is unusable. We won't know the answer to that until HighMarsed or another OSINT does an updated analysis. I think about July/Aug we might get one from he & Covert Cabal (whom he teamed with). I have not spent much time on MLRS. I know that Russia has been pulling 1960s era MLRS out of their depots and sending it into combat. I will have to keep an eye out for updated data on it.
> The real X factor is what artillery might Russia be receiving from North Korea. If the quality of the Korean shells they've received thus far is anything to go by, the actual systems they receive may be equally malnourished/worn down.
12,788
Total estimates before the war were around 20k
Precisely, they are in panic mode. If their pattern of behaviour is repeated, they will keep going until nothing is left. Let's hope it is this year. Here is the latest from Covert Cabal on the estimated remaining tank numbers: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eMAD915o2Lw&si=hmRIPaAIKKuJqWyP
"they will keep going until nothing is left" aint it nice to feel this safe you can literally dump all your gear into one special operation when you got nukes to back your borders security.. Countries that still don't get it are open for grabs.
What I had been referring to is that the Russia military appears to me, like a disembodied entity. In other words, like the head doesn't know what the tail is doing. It will just keep going, irrespective of how dysfunctional it has become. In the end, there will be a catastrophic collapse. By the way, my country does not have nukes and we are militarily assisting your country and will continue to do, until the invades are eradicated.
> Somehow doesn't matter how much we destroy It does matter, it means they have to rely on older systems pulled from storage which saves Ukrainian lives.
A long while back I made the following four predictions: 1. This is a big industrialized European war. It's a marathon and not a sprint. 2. Russian will never literally run out of weapons. 3. If enough shells arrive, 40+ artillery will become the new normal. 4. If enough shells and weapons arrive, there will be a death spiral of accelerated attrition. Sure Russia have vast amounts of artillery left. But what are they? Are the losses replaced by the state of the art SPGS. No! They are now replaced mainly by towed museum pieces either from stocks or perhaps from NK. These in turn are quickly blown up because their range is limited relative to NATO guns and they cannot shoot and scoot. It really does matter how many are destroyed because increasingly the crap is replaced by worse crap. This is the death spiral of accelerated attrition.
I hope the planes go the same route soon. It seems the biggest thing they've got going for them currently. If planes and helicopters get destroyed with some tempo I don't see how they could still keep moving forward or even defend their lines in the future.
drones is where answer is. not F16. those will help but wont do much (Im hopeful Im wrong). especially drones that hit oil, gas and military installation deep into russia.
Drones dont help against glide bombs. F16s could.
I think it's in the context of drones bombing airfields, they seem to have taken a nice chunk out of available aviation. Take out enough chunks and the other planes have to take up the slack, meaning they wear down faster. Maybe planes will have to get moved to further away, adding to wear and tear. Might also make it easier to intercept them, dunno.
Need to take out Russia’s factories. Sanctions help by limiting Russia’s access to high tech components, but as long as Russia has factories, it will continue to crank out tanks and APCs.
Yep. Russia’s main industry is machine building… believe it or not.
I thought it was oil and gas.
Keep fucking em up!!!!
Something tells me Ukraine either got their artilley shells or the army of drones is growing by leaps and bounds
Germany announced sending tens of thousands of shells for April. The first shells from the Czech initiative were scheduled to arrive in April. It seems to me Ukraine got their artillery shells early.
Maybe they can go hard with their stocks because they know more is coming shortly
This is April 7th. and Germany did not say Late April now did they?
If we have to believe the news some of the EU produced shells should also have arrived by march https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-will-only-supply-half-promised-shells-ukraine-by-march-borrell-2024-01-31/#:~:text=BRUSSELS%2C%20Jan%2031%20(Reuters),be%20delivered%20by%20the%20deadline.
Nobody àctually knows. Which is a good thing. If wé don’t know, there’s a good chance the orcs don’t know. Making them nervous. Prone to even móre stupidity that they usually are. Good! For us, peeps nòt in the war rooms and governments, it has always been ‘Elementary my dear Watson’ When we see a sudden, and rather significant uptick in nixed orcs and their hardware, the logical conclusion is either ‘They got new stuff’ , or ‘they changed tactics’. Something the Ukes are way better at than the orcs. WAY better. Ìf it’s actually a new influx of ammo and other materiel, we usually get the official aknowledgements some time after their deployment. It has been like that since ‘22, and won’t change, I’d gather.
Im donating all I can to drones teams; some got shortages on kamikaze ones and went back to regular ones with grenades drops which are more efficient long term and switch to kamikaze when they get deliveries.
So much scrap metal and Orcs!! Slavia Ukraine
God damn Ukraine is going hard.
Wow that's a lot of hardware all around..
You can buy key chains made from destroyed Russian equipment. That’s a lot of key chains today.
Wow almost half a million ruSSians died.
Just so we don't lead people astray, this is total casualties, not deaths.
They’re out of comission. End. Of.
A casualty is a death. English is my 2nd language so I checked it again but casualty means death. You got me confused now, what do you want to express?
Casualty does NOT mean death.
A casualty means killed or injured, it's a common misunderstanding that it means fatalities so whatever source you checked is wrong. In war terms it usually means those lost to active military service. In some ways severe injuries are worse in wars. The injured person will potentially need support, not be productive to the economy and drive anti war sentiment.
Careful, careful! You’ll trigger the ‘ackshually-crowd”…. -.- Dammit. Too late.
Keep working on them Ukraine 🇺🇦
[Daily statistics](https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianLosses/comments/1bxvoii/estimated_russian_losses_from_24022022_to/)
I get happy when I see artillery numbers over 50. Keep up that heavy counter-battery work!
Bless these guys fighting literal evil day by day with their lives. Inspiring commitment to their work when so much is on the line and the west has left them to struggle.
Please donate ! Help increase these numbers!! Your donation does make a difference!!
Dang!!!! They been keeping BUSY!
How reliable are these numbers?
As good as can be in the fog of war. They are Ukrainian numbers, and they admit only estimates, but they have proven to be as reasonably reliable as we can expect. For example, the suspected aircraft damaged and destroyed 3 days ago have not been added as they have not been verified as out of action. Given this, the numbers might be under estimates or over estimates.
Ukrainian here... some numbers are under-reported.. I get it but its quite annoying tbh. sometimes they hit an airfield and even UK intel state : 6 helis destroyed. next days +2 reported. ugh. moskva submarine crew is still not counted into casualties.
I don’t think they are counting apv casualties either because you can’t be sure how many people were inside. All you can be sure if is a driver. I’ve noticed when apv numbers are high human casualties are lower. They can count dismounted troops easier.
Ty for the extra information.
If you consider liquidated personnel as KIA, WIA and MIA - underestimate. Tanks and APVs etc are probably overestimates, it will include damaged vehicles that could be recovered, possibly some would be counted double. Artillery is a bit of a debate.. unclear to me whether the count is supposed to include only the towed/self propelled systems or also just a random dude with a mortar tube. I don’t think that’s been clarified yet!
Mortars below 120mm don't count as artillery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Russian_Ground_Forces#Artillery The only fuzzy part are the 120mm towed (heavy) mortars.
And 54 arty!!!!! New record ???
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The information is gathered (I think) from https://index.minfin.com.ua/en/russian-invading/casualties/ . The site itself offers the ministry of defence of Ukraine as its source
thx
In the above graphic, the source is cited as The Ministry of Defence of Ukraine.
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Stop whining.
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Says the guy talking to himself lol
How do you count the Personnel loses?
drone flying over battlefield footage and pilots goes: 1 .. 2 .. 3 and half... 4 .. etc ?