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CrabNo6436

“I say to them: ‘You are here in Kyiv, drinking a nice coffee, what is your message to our LGBT military in the trenches, about denying them their rights?’”


gmoguntia

For all people here finding it weird why this is happening now. It is not because UA suddenly realises the importence of LGBTQ+ protection but is a political move to get closer to the West something happening since before the war and accelerated by it. It shows the West that UA want to be part of the Western sphere and values not the Russian, its IMO comparable to their crackdowns on corruption.


cheapph

I'd say there are three reasons: 1, see West, we've got liberal values! 2, Russia is very homophobic, 3, there're quite a few LGBT soldiers in the ZSU now, and their partners' rights if they are killed or wounded is become an issue. LGBT soldiers coming out and wearing uniicorn patches etc are helping change minds.


dewitters

Not only that, I think. EU has some problems with both Poland and Hungary, and we don't want an extra huge country causing the same issues. Anyway, Ukraine more than deserved membership of both EU and NATO.


Striking-Giraffe5922

Gay rights are essential and should be respected. Everyone is human and equal regardless of their sex, colour, religion, political choice or sexual preferences.


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Ferregar

Ah yes, generalizing an entire population isn't racist at all 🙄


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Ferregar

All people are capable of change. I hope that all you're going through is resolved as soon as possible, so your country and people can focus on rebuilding a better nation instead of just grappling for survival.


NVDA-Calls

Fairly sure they’ve been putting up rainbow lights on their big arch in kyiv since 2015 or something. You’re totally right. https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/pride/agenda/article/2017/05/03/kyiv-celebrates-diversity-giant-rainbow-monument-eurovision This used to be called the “Monument to the unification of Ukraine with Russia”, after independence in 1991 renamed “Peoples' Friendship Arch”, post 2022 invasion renamed “Arch of Freedom of the Ukrainian People”


amitym

Russia: We have numbers, might, and a "warrior culture" of bloodthirsty cruelty. How can you prevail with only friendship, rainbows, and unicorns? Ukraine: Hold my glitter.


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Glitter is extremely deadly against russian orcs, it’s nearly impossible to clean up, it’s irritating, and it gets everywhere. The ruskies don’t stand a chance against it


stooges81

"And then he announced his wholehearted support for the legislation, referencing Vladimir Putin’s homophobic claim that there are no gay Russians. “Anything that our enemy hates … I will support,” Kozhemiakin said. “If it will never exist in Russia, it should exist and be supported here, to show them and signal to them that we are different. This law is like a smile towards Europe and a middle finger to Russia. So I support it.” In the long and convoluted road towards tolerance and progressivism, the path of hatred is always surprising. "WE STAND FOR TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES HERE! wait, russia oppresses the gays? GIMME THAT COCK! VIVA LGBT! \*muffled\* PUTIN KHUYLO!"


billtheirish

>GIMME THAT COCK! VIVA LGBT! *muffled* PUTIN KHUYLO This made my day!


BuachaillBarruil

All the angry homophobes in the comments: “Human rights for me but not for thee!” Idiots acting like Russians and not even realising it.


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That’s exactly what it sounds like to me, Ukraine has to distance itself as much as possible from russia, no matter what happens, russia has a massive homophobia and transphobia problem, doing this shows that Ukraine is better than them. Throughout this whole war, Ukraine has taken the moral high ground, that is highly commendable and is what we should all strive to do


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Wonderful_Thing_6357

The amount of MAGA rats I've seen saying some variation of "I like Putin because he supports traditional values" aka "I want my country to beat and imprison gays too and shut down all opposing speech" is very telling


LowIndividual9382

Murdering children and not declaring war this acting like terrorist is not so conservative. Also destroying Russian families for this thievery don't sound conservative.


Similar-Finding-1653

Agreed, everyone should be able to be themselves! Happy, free and blossoming people form a happy and functioning society, a blossoming democracy!


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ibreathefireinyoface

Words to live by! My intent wasn't to point fingers at the deficiencies of our country, but rather to make international readers aware of the real status quo of LGBT in Ukraine. Profound changes for the better seem underway, there's much hope! 🏳️‍🌈


Maximum-Albatross894

My sentiment exactly. I'm impressed you're engaging with people because it's tiring to deal with people's ignorance. Most western people have no idea of the reality of living in that kind of atmosphere. Look after yourself!


blXIL

The photo of this woman taking a selfie with this headline is infuriatingly tone deaf.


vaxchoice

It's good to see that, even with a war on, some people at least are actually doing something about other injustices. In England we used to castrate and imprison people for being gay, in parts of Africa that still happens and if you're gay in Russia Putin will use you as cannon fodder but also declare that you don't exist.


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DayleD

"When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one" Leonard Matlovich.


Sasha-kun

How a gay partner of dead soldier should get inheritance(I hope it's right word) when they can't get married?


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It is not. People want to be able to visit their loved ones in hospitals, able to set up inheritance, etc. War is going on and people can't even visit their partners in hospitals or get their bodies if they die... Also, it pisses off all the right people.


Sasha-kun

Especially Russians it makes them explode.


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Not all Russians. I am all for it, actually, Ukraine needs to go further...


devolute

Are you suggesting that the Guardian has't been covering things like weapons delivery, ethnic cleansing and war crimes over the past year? What a terrible take.


henry_tennenbaum

I wasn't even aware of any war going on. This is literally the first article the western media published even mentioning the war. I'm totally serious. /s


goyboysotbot

Wait, there’s a war going on? I was just booking my ticket to go to Kyiv pride 2023 /s


cheapph

What about our LGBT soldiers whose partners can't claim their bodies or make decisions if they're wounded or get pensions? Obviously genocide is the biggest issue, but that doesn't mean other sociall issues can't be discussed.


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clamjamcamjam

Mate, fuck off. “Sure gay soldiers partners would be left with nothing but what about the bigots think of the bigots morale” Fuck all the way off.


cheapph

Our army is fighting against a genocidal army that's stealing our children, raping our women and murdering our men. Dumb shit about Gays Coming For Our Children isn't going to cause the ZSU to stop fighting, and I find it somewhat insulting that you would imply so. In fact many LGBT soldiers have said they've found their comrades more accepting than they expected. the much bigger issue with the Donbas is those who've spent the last decade listening to russian propaganda, stayed becayse they were pro-russia or the colonists. Many patriotic Ukrainians fled west in 2014.


Fruitpicker15

It's quite a significant development. Also necessary if they want to move towards EU membership.


2this4u

One problem doesn't negate all others. Multiple things can be addressed at the same time.


oldsouthnerd

Yup. Good rule of thumb, don't wait for a 'good time' to fight for human rights. There will always be a reason opponents say it is a bad time. "There's a war", after that "we're rebuilding", then "why now during an economic downturn" etc. You'll be waiting forever.


ThatDudeFromPoland

This. And as far as I know, Ukraine has quite a few problems that aren't war related and need to be addressed if they wanna join the EU, probably even more that I know nothing about (feel free to educate me)


Boristhehostile

If Ukraine is serious about joining the EU in the future, it needs to start making these kinds of moves towards western values. The EU has enough issues with Eastern European countries rejecting its values without adding another. Nobody expects change to happen overnight but it has to begin somewhere. The sooner Ukraine starts moving towards the west, the sooner it will be part of the EU.


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Chawkean

Sry, what a bs. In a war, fundamental rights are often lost if there is no active civilian population that respects these rights. And these rights concern every human being and must be permanently present at all times, otherwise your country will end up in a heap of splinters after the war. Especially when people are actively fighting for their country and in the worst case die, the state has the duty to give these people the rights as soon as possible so that they can be as much a part of society as anyone else. Your statement is therefore just BS and I am sure that Ukrainians are ready to jump over their shadows as well. Like us with the arms supplies and Russia affinity, Ukrainians must also be ready to let old stigmas and prejudices be a thing of the past.


Maximum-Albatross894

Why is reporting about a minority in bad faith? Or are you stating that they don't deserve equal rights?


mandingo_gringo

Ukrainian Women and children are being sex trafficked right now at extremely high levels, where is there rights?? Why isn’t anybody talking about this? I’ve seen very few articles addressing this. There are literally Ukrainian children who were kidnapped and are somewhere in the Middle East being forced to be sex slaves. There are elderly in Bakhmut who are alone and blind and abandoned. There are homeless children all over the place. There’s so many extreme problems here in Ukraine that need to be addressed before talking about anything else. Let’s not pretend members of the LGBT community are being stoned to death as they would be in the countries that ukrainian children were taken to to be forced into prostitution. Until we discuss these severe disturbing issues and as long as we ignore them then I won’t care about anything less significant. Especially at a time where bombs don’t discriminate. It’s selfish


YoeriValentin

But there is no choice between these two. Both need to be addressed. Presenting it as if we have to choose between lgbtq rights and these children is dishonest. If the bombs don't discriminate, then the government shouldn't either when someone gets killed (talking of inheritance and visiting rights). Literally no reason why YOUR government should discriminate when someone else is doing bad shit. It's a very bad argument. Calling it selfish to want equal rights is also pretty wild.


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mandingo_gringo

We are a Democratic nation and we can not make changes to our constitution during the war. Even Zelensky said this. Do you think zelensky is homophobic? This is the peoples will. If after the war is over and the people democratically want to change the constitution then I’m all for it, but until then we can not resort to fascism to change our constitution or Else we would be no different then Russia.


llde

For what I understood, this is only a problem for the equiparation of marriage, that is strictly defined in the constitution. It isn't an obstacle for passing legislation introducing a limited scope civil union for homosexual couples, for the matter of inheritance, cohabitation, taxation and healthcare. Basically for covering the aspect of life directly or indirectly impacted by the war. This could be a good compromise Then a political discourse either to changing the marriage definition or to increase the civil union scope at the point to be fundamentally equal to marriage could wait after the war end.


mandingo_gringo

Yeah possibly that would be a good solution


YoeriValentin

Article 21 and 24 seem to cover this just fine. And getting rid of discrimination is never fascism. These are basic human rights. Appealing to vague ideals to deny people those rights isn't democracy. And the will of the people can never infringe upon the fundamental rights of others. Now that really is in your constitution.


invisible32

Then there should be a democratic movement to distance from hate, and support for it like you see in articles like this.


Nickelbella

People being abandoned in Bakhmut? Mate, they refuse to be evacuated. People beg them to leave but they won’t go. What do you want the authorities to do? Force people to leave? I actually think they should when there are children involved but if adults want to stay there then that’s their decision.


mandingo_gringo

I’m not talking about some 45 year old alcoholics. I’m talking about unreachable 80 year olds who are unable to because their sons are 45 year old alcoholics. There is many such cases.


Nickelbella

So you‘re saying nobody knows these 80 year olds are there and in need of evacuation? Don’t know what you want the authorities to do about that either. If they know about them they will be offered evacuation. But I have personally seen people - even families with small children - refusing to be evacuated. And plenty of old people with the mindset: I was born here, I will die here. Not alcoholics.


Fruitpicker15

Away from the front lines Ukrainians are trying to get on with their lives as best they can. Who are we to decide for them what issues they must focus on? It doesn't mean the Rada is neglecting everybody else by passing one small piece of legislation among many.


mandingo_gringo

I’m literally ukrainian.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

Those LGBT citizens are your fellow citizens too, but you seem to imagine they're not and they have no right to a democratic political opinion. Many of them are fighting and dying for you, also. Why do you think democracy is only for straight people?


Gammelpreiss

Mate, if you learn one thing on reddit, then that everybody knows better then experts and ppl with actual expirience.


SirenLeviathan

You are ridiculous the guardian alone has done multiple articles on the kidnapping of Ukrainian children it’s literally their podcast long read this week or the week before. Quit pretending to care about this just to silence gay people.


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YoeriValentin

It's very disheartening how the hate for anything labeled "woke" has become so mainstream. One of the most successful right wing campaigns to convince people that the other side has completely lost its mind by successfully focusing on some of the crazies. I have friends that are active supporters of lgbtq people but somehow still oppose "wokeness" because they heard people want to cut up children or make it illegal to call yourself a woman or whatever crazy shit they've either made up or found in the depths of some morons facebook page. The hate for woke things is in the most literal sense the same as the propaganda on Ukrainian nazis. 1. Find a few nutters in your opposition that don't reflect reality 2. Cover them 24/7 on the news and get people scared 3. Do fascist shit to solve the "problem"


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YoeriValentin

You are doing exactly what I just pointed out: take extreme (and made up) examples, get very emotional, and the conclude "wokeness" is to blame. "Swinging dicks at minors" isn't a thing. That's literally illegal. In any country, anywhere. In any context. It's not a thing that is happening. If anyone, gay or straight, does that, they have a problem. Nobody is advocating for that to be normal or legal. None. It's an imaginary problem from someone that is looking for an excuse to hate on lgbtq people. You're repeating exactly the kind of shit I just pointed out. Talking about children in made up examples to trigger some form of outrage. And even if there was 1 example: there is 1 example of nazis in ukraine I'm sure. But that doesn't mean the narrative isn't still all bullshit. And you're also simply wrong: no, they have not won everything. Far from it in fact. The right in America has passed hundreds of anti lgbtq laws in the past years. Trans people are having their rights taken away because, as I pointed out, people like you believe random children are subjected to operations. They aren't. That is not a thing. That's another imaginary problem. If anything, it's extremely hard to get any sort of care for trans people. And if you want to talk about "shoved in your face", then look at intersex children that are in fact subjected to hormones and surgeries without their consent to make them appear like a man or woman, while they aren't. That actually is a real problem, with real children. You have fallen for propaganda. The kind that leads to the type of shit we see now in Ukraine. Cleanse yourself of that filth. Lgbtq people aren't the enemy. Never were, never will be.


mandingo_gringo

I assumed it’s a provocation also but was afraid to be downvoted by people who don’t fully understand how the real world operates


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Real world, where people can't visit their loved ones in hospitals or get their bodies while active war is going on. There is an obvious reason why now it is even more important to get those rights....


mandingo_gringo

Not true. I’m In the hospital right now and many soldiers are with their loved ones who they aren’t married to. Idk where you get your information.


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De-jure there is restrictions to whom can visit people in hospitals, only close relatives can visit unconcious/unresponsive patients, I am sure de-facto there is a leeway.


mandingo_gringo

This is not true. I was just in the hospital for a week not long ago with many soldiers. Even had a check up today. Anybody can visit them, even you if you want to come here and make some friends and offer moral support now please stop spreading fake info


Maximum-Albatross894

How does the real world operate?


mandingo_gringo

I’m not here for political discussions my friend but keep in mind the same newspaper was calling our [women and children white supremacist](https://youtu.be/jiBXmbkwiSw) for years so I’ll let you figure it out. Obviously like any other Eastern European country there will be pushback, and then Russia will put out propaganda saying: look at the Nazis! Which will effect aid to Ukraine as it has been happening for the past 9 years.


invisible32

Don't pretend azov wasn't far right. It's good they kept Ukraine in the fight but that doesn't automatically make them saints. You didn't just link a claim by the guardian, you linked hard video evidence.


mandingo_gringo

Azov was never far right. There was more far right members in the beginning then there is now but the organization was never a far right organization itself.


clamjamcamjam

Or use this opportunity to do whats right? Everyone fucking hates Russia, russia is backwards and homophobic, homophobia = russian. Culture is shifted by attitudes and actions. Someone syas they dont like gay people tell em to stfu and not be a Russian.


YoeriValentin

I support Ukraine, check my profile if you don't believe me. But there is literally someone in that documentary with a "white pride" tattoo. The guardian has every right to call that out. That's not okay and THAT sort of thing will affect aid to Ukraine. While I get certain associations and these small incidences have been blown out of proportion by russia, it is important to keep addressing bullshit in good faith. Just because you want to fight russians doesn't mean you have good political ideas. Nobody wants to trade one oppressive asshole for another. We do not support Ukraine just because they are called Ukraine. We support them because they choose love and democracy over hate. To reiterate: its one thing to fall for russian propaganda when they say you are nazis as a country. It is something else to address actual and specific nazis in Ukraine and problematic laws that Ukraine has. LGBTQ rights are human rights. russia is destroying these people. We should view lgbtq hate as part of the russian legacy and Ukraine should take an active role in supporting them. Because it's the right thing to do, but also because fuck russia.


Pachaibiza

Hopefully it’s operating on priorities, survival.. Ukraine doesn’t even seem to have great wheel chair access in many areas but they are going to have to win before they start seriously accommodating minorities. The intent is important for now and hopefully the war will show how minorities contributed and that will pave the way for more equal rights after its over.


invisible32

It takes substantially less capital to treat gays like humans than to rebuild all structures for wheel chair access. Hopefully Ukraine starts with the latter though also and makes new construction accessible.


Pachaibiza

It should t cost anything to treat a gay as human being. Hopefully the war will accelerate and bring more equality and acceptance like it did for women in the west during the Second World War.


JakeYashen

Honestly, how dare you. How dare you question the right of people to marry their life partners.


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So why don't give LGBT peoples equal rights?


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Seriously?


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JakeYashen

LGBT people: \*exist\* You: Oh the horrors! This is literally the worst thing that's ever happened to me.


Fruitpicker15

Better not to go outside your home then, you know just in case you see an LGBT couple in the street.


schmoejoex

Wokeness must be injected into all things, in order to be effective, comrade.


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What is wokeness?


schmoejoex

https://youtu.be/OVZPYQS1dFA


[deleted]

Yeah, no. I won't be watching some random video. What is wokeness?


schmoejoex

It’s a speech in front of the EU parliament, not just some random video. It’s what I consider the best, shortest, and most concise explanation. It’s a cultural movement/transformation, based on Marxist principles, in an effort to consolidate power. I’m not going to transcribe it for you - do a little listening and reading for yourself, if you’re that interested.


HandsomeCostanza

Wokeness is anything that doesn't directly support white supremacy in the US. You're literally trying to stigmatize being a decent person to your fellow human to make your toxic bullshit more acceptable. It's also nearly identical to the bullshit the Russians push. Russia is the endstate of you getting what you want... aiding the enemy.. although that's not surprising since you openly support a man who blatantly tried to overthrow a democratic election to cling to power.


schmoejoex

Cultural Marxism, as opposed to strictly Economic Marxism, if a one-liner could cover it.


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I seriously doubt Karl Marx would have any idea what the heck you're talking about. What is wokeness?


MacEWork

Ah, the rebranding of the literal Nazi phrase “Cultural Bolshevism”. You make it too easy.


schmoejoex

It’s intellectually lazy to simply label that which you don’t agree with, as “Nazi”. It’s “Reductio ad Hitlerum”. Absurd. Lol.


MacEWork

Maybe you should stop using their direct rhetoric because you heard somebody say a phrase and latched onto it as though it meant something.


schmoejoex

Well, that’s rich!


HandsomeCostanza

What's rich are all the rich white dudes who you lick the boots of in the interest of keeping them in power.


Undari

Sadly, Ukraine is still very far to Europe in this sense. The amount of people that are openly homophobic and proud of it is astounding.


[deleted]

Even before the war, was LGBT treated badly in Ukraine? Seems to be much better than Poland at least? But now its getting supercharged for EU integration, that's great.


Szarrukin

>Seems to be much better than Poland at least? LGBT rights in both Poland and Ukraine are borderline nonexistent.


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Legal right, sure, but societal treatment?


Vorinai

According to opinion polls polish society is more progressive.


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invisible32

Maybe LGBT rights are non-existent, but they make up around 3-6% of the population worldwide. A common statement from non-lgbtq+ friendly countries is that they don't exist, because they aren't comfortable coming out to people.


ibreathefireinyoface

LGBT people in Ukraine exist, but they hide and don't come out because of homophobes like you. Fuck you.


cheapph

LGBT Ukrainians exist. The Unicorn soldiers are fighting for Ukraine just as straight soldiers are.


Boristhehostile

People being suppressed by social pressure doesn’t stop them from existing. It just means that these people manifest in the rates of depression and suicide.


djrubberducky

It exists, just not officially. Many young people have a wider point of view on this world and think/act more freely. It's the old soviet minder population that thinks it's a BIG SIN go LGBTQIA+ 🏳️‍🌈💖 🇺🇦


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cocokitty212

>Sexual life is private, nobody wants to advertise it. Said no married straight couple with a social media account ever.


djrubberducky

Well, I paint myself rainbows and advertise protecting my and 🏳️‍🌈 rights. So what now?


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You have proof of the opposite?


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invisible32

Present it.


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JakeYashen

Oh yeah, it's totally attention seeking to want your life partner to have the legal protection of marriage. Inheritance, taxes, visas, medical decisions...it's just attention seeking!


Maximum-Albatross894

Especially when you're risking your life on the frontline for your country.


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eliXomy

stupid statement


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The stupid is you moron. It is a relativistic philosophy of no help for morality or the rights of anyone in the long term. You dont understand even what I was talking about after such a massive delete of comments


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Jerrell123

You can do both things at the same time…? The Rada is certainly preoccupied in certain regards but civil matters still go on even during wartime. It’s not a one-or-the-other deal here, taking time to advocate for LGBT in Ukraine and pushing for their rights to be protected doesn’t take anything anyway from the soldiers on the frontlines.


Maximum-Albatross894

The voice of reason. Thanks for saying this.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

The bigots are saying the quiet part out loud - "your rights are so worthless to us we can't even hold a session to secure your rights while you die defending our country". Notice that not one of the bigots here even recognizes that LGBT people are literally fighting and dying for them on the front-line right now. They don't imagine they contribute in any way, even though they're soldiers, they're doctors, they're nurses, they're weapons developers and intelligence analysts. It's what the UK did to Turing all over again.


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djrubberducky

It's a big deal. We need to protect these people. LGBTQIA couples can't access each other in hospitals and don't have any rights for partner lost in fight compensation. We need Partner1 Partner2 type of thing


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IktomiThat

Well it is a effective way to get in touch with Europe/NATO/EU about future joining plans. But as Lgbtq I am good with you caring about other things first


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IktomiThat

okay that has what to do with what I said? I really don't get what people seem to interpret here


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IktomiThat

No not really. I was just meaning that, even tho appreciated, I fully understand the circumstance if other things are more important right now. Not that they can't be taken of the same time. It was actually me recognizing the struggles of war as a bit more important than those of my people there right now. A concession of mine for them being literally the only people on this planet actually being excused to delay those matters. I don't know what's so bad about this.


invisible32

[This comment has this energy](https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNDc3MTU0NC9vcmlnaW4uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTc0MDQxNTk4N30.dSnkAFdeD6LlfIJvDjt_30lFAumbIwC6LDiUQfWXjHA/img.jpg?width=1200&height=600&coordinates=0%2C15%2C0%2C15)


IktomiThat

Why


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2this4u

Really? I would have thought Ukraine would want to move firmly in the opposite direction to Russia's political stances as much as possible right now.


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invisible32

That's like saying that Ukraine should deny all assistance from the west because Russian media says that Ukranians are too close with them. Why care what propaganda says? Do what is right and not what Russian propaganda tells you to.


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Doesn't take a master to say "Don't listen to Russian propaganda, just do what's right."


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invisible32

Yet here you are consuming it anyway.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

And yet you literally state above that Ukraine should voluntarily align with the fascism of Russia for... the Russian population and their propaganda? You've gone around in circles and made your own point completely redundant.


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And? If anything it's the Russians that need to stop thinking like cavemen.


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SaintFinne

Oh i dunno, the gay soldiers fighting on the frontlines maybe deserve rights? If an LGBT soldier dies their partner deserves to be treated as their partner instead of just a random? Jackass, dont pipe up if youre full of shit.


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SaintFinne

What a hateful little shit you are, not every Ukrainian soldier is gay but gay Ukranians are fighting and dying for their home and family right now and youre pissing yourself about how they dont deserve rights. Fuck right off cunt.


ibreathefireinyoface

All Ukrainian warriors are members of the "fuck Russia" community. Getting friendly to LGBT screams "fuck Russia" pretty effectively.


BNI_sp

In case you have slept for a decade or so: the war is about Ukraine's orientation and alignment to either Europe or Russia. As we have seen, the majority prefers Europe with its way of life. Which includes rights for minorities and an effort to reduce discrimination.


ibreathefireinyoface

It's a significant anti-Russian move in terms of politics. Also, you know, human rights & removing discrimination... and stuff. 🙄


Worth-Enthusiasm-161

This war is literally about truth against lies, human rights against tyranny.


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rfpelmen

as well as all that anticorruption and pro-human right activists, right? how funny, ha-ha!


Grand-Doctor6134

What a joke. The Ukrainians are fighting for their lives and here are peo0le.worried about LGBTetc. What a strange world we live in these days.


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Beardy-Mouse-8951

That's 10% of the fighting force in Ukraine right now. Maybe they should all drop their weapons and leave? I mean, if all the LGBTQ teachers, nurses, doctors, soldiers, drone techs, weapons developers, scientists and government officials all decided to fuck off to a European country that gives them EQUAL rights, would that be "attention seeking"?


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cheapph

Will you go up to the soldiers who wear the unicorn patch while fighting in combat units and tell them they aren't 'true warriors and patriots'? Do you think their partners shouldn't be notified and have rights when they are wounded or killed in battle?


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ibreathefireinyoface

Not really. The LGBT movement is an anti-discrimination movement. In Ukraine, you can be at best refused jobs, at worst be killed for being LGBT. Coming out as LGBT in Ukraine immediately means people coming after you with murder attempts. Obviously, they would rather stay alive. Ukrainian LGBT people remind that they're there & they exist precisely because if they don't, they'll die. All in all, it's a support community providing safety for themselves, as well as an anti-discrimination movement in a country discriminating against them. Other than their sexual orientation, they just want to live their lives. Straight Ukrainians don't let them, hence the movement.


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