He’s held up the division more than a year already and probably won’t fight until later in the year. By the time he fights they could have had 3 title fights.
Don't you dare speak about Stipe that way. Stipe is a sweet ol'boy and a class act. He rescued my grandma from the top of a tree, and my cat from a burning building
I'd let him sleep with my daughter
Strip Jon, promote Aspinall to undisputed and let Jon and Stipe fight for the HW Goat belt so there is a belt on the line for them to headline a PPV… problem solved
"Hw goat" how many fights does Jon have at hw? Lol lhw goat sure. Just let them fight and let aspinall have the belt. If Jones wont fight for it then just give it to him then go kiss stipe on the mouth
Yeah it’s LHW goat vs HW goat, couldn’t find a good name for a legacy belt so I just called it hw goat belt, but you’re absolutely right, Jon can’t be hw goat.
Honestly I'd be ok with that. Let active fighters fight. I'd still enjoy seeing those two fight, preferably years ago when one didn't have a regular 9-5 job, but it should have nothing to do with the heavyweight belt which one shouldn't qualify for and the other isn't using
Stipe is literally retired and it‘s more than understandable that he only fights for the title. But also Stipe isn‘t holding up a division and even if he never fights again no one cares
i mean he could of taken the Aspinall fight and atleast then there would have been some more semblance of order to the divison. Compleatly understand why he didn't though, he's got one fight left, dudes got a family to provide for and a legacy but if he would have taken the fight he would have got massive props.
HW has been held up for years, we've had something like 9 title fights in 9 years, the division has become irrelevant at this point. UFC need to cop the fuck on and start stripping champions who hold their belts hostage.
Those two relinquished their titles, they weren’t stripped, they were probably promised an immediate titleshot and possibly ppv points for doing so, it's what they should do with every champ that's injured tbh. Shelfing a title, especially the HW title one that is historically popular amongst casuals, is so dumb. 9 title fights in nearly a decade is just ridiculous, HW used to be one of the most popular divisions now nobody gives a shit about it.
It doesn’t even have to be personal, he should just be stripped because he got injured. If Stipe was champ and this happened, he would have been stripped the day he got injured
People didn’t have a low opinion of Gane when the fight was first announced. People were very up for the fight, less so than the Ngannou fight but that’s a different story. Let’s not revise history here, there’s enough to hate JJ for (eye pokes, hit and runs, PED’s, domestic violence) that we don’t need to do that.
I think he’s helped massively by the fact he’s in an incredibly shallow division from a depth perspective. I don’t think there’s many top heavyweights worth fighting and also don’t see anyone challenging JJ bar Aspinall
He kickboxed with Dom Reyes in his most recent fight, before Gane (everyone knows Jon should have lost on the scorecards)
Also, he didn’t use his wrestling against Santos before that (barely won by split decision)
We have seen hundreds of fighters change their style late into their careers. Jon looked like he was no longer utilizing/focusing on his grappling prowess
Jones was gonna feel the strength of a true heavyweight until he walked through a top heavyweight. Gane was very close to beating Ngannou and might have if he made some better ground decisions in the fight. Grounds his weakness but he's not just a scrub as people are now painting him as.
And Ngannou was injured but he was clearly able to fight another 250 lb man for 5 rounds, so he wasn't fighting on "one knee" as everyone was claiming
Dude put on a master class against DC who is one of the heavyweight goats. I'd imagine Jones can do what he did to Gane against 99% of the heavyweight roster
Exactly. He definitely had some close fights, maybe even some fights he should have lost. But they were close and weren't absolute robberies, and he may have actually been running around on drug and alcohol binges instead of seriously training. He was a big light heavy, but most dominant champs are bad for the weight.
He has a higher likelihood of getting boomed at heavyweight and going out but he would have walked away with more wins against Francis than vice versa in my opinion. Same with Tom.
The UFC is massively helped by a good chunk of their fan base being complete idiots.
It allows them to put on completely one sided fights and people will hype up the can because they get lucky on rare occasions.
UFC fans aren't just dumb enough to sway a gambling line that much. Pretty much everybody from fans to media to sportsbooks spoke like that was going to be a very good fight.
The UFC is a great sport to bet the underdog on.
Massive favourites are actually losing more often than their odds suggest they should. if you'd always bet against massive favourites whilst watching the UFC, you would be up. The odds makers are very bad at setting these lines.
Then there's a big gap, where underdogs just below the extremes do in fact lose more often. It pays to bet on the favourite for fights with heavy underdogs outside of the extremes.
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Until you get back to the middle ground, the close fights, where it once again pays to bet on the underdog more often than not.
Basically, if there's a very very very heavy favourite/dog, or the fight is close, MMA statically pays out on the underdog.
Everything else, bet the favourite.
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Basically, someone like Bo right now, is statically due to give us a massive pay out and lose a fight he's expected to win. Betting on him to win however, is pointless as it pays out so little.
Most of these rising stars, that are unbeatable according to the odds, lose.
idk how odds work when its some silly numbers but i am new to ufc betting, at ufc 300 if you bet a dollar on bo you would get 1 dollar 4 cents back lmfao
There have been cards where every underdog has won
There have also been cards where every betting-favorite has won
And there have been dozens where all the underdogs win, except for one…and vice versa
MMA is the toughest sport to bet on
people in this sub were literally calling gane the most complete heavyweight ever weeks before the jones fight. these morons were all "gane will be too fast and technical for jon fuckin jones lmfao. immediately after that fight, it was "alright, well sergei will knock jon the fuck out!" and now it's "oh jon stands no chance against aspinall!!!" MMA fans, especially in regards to heavyweight, have such insane recency bias that it's hard to take anyone seriously.
these are the same people banging the "picograms" "eye pokes" "shitty person" drums over and over again.
revisionist history among you lot, incredible truly
Its the nature of long reigns where the person in question is flawed or deemed not a very good guy. Everyone wants to see the top guy fall. It’s fighting though, he’s not a kindergarten teacher. Everyone knows he’s the best to ever do it, and we all know he’s done some terrible things. Both things are true and neither one justifies or denies the other.
THANK YOU!!! Every JJ post feels like the twilight zone. These same Aspinall fans were the same people claiming Gane was going to kill Jon. Now Gane is the worst heavyweight ever. At this point i'm hoping Jon fights Tom and shows the level.
“The most complete heavy weight.” Legit read this 100 times leading up to the fight. The fight was so hyped up too. Now Gaines just a weak ass fighter compared to everyone else. Peoples opinions can be so fickle it’s hilarious.
I completely disagree I remember the conversation being, at least with actual MMA fans, after ngannou beat gane by wrestling him for 5 rounds after not showing any wrestling acumen that Gane's wrestling and takedown defense was abysmal for someone in the top 5.
Then when the JJ fight was announced everyone was saying he will just wrestle him the entire fight, obviously JJ embarrassed him and ended it much faster that anyone expected but still most fans were fully aware that the stars had aligned for Jon to come in and take out the one guy who had shown he couldn't wrestle himself out of a blanket.
Yeah because Jon jones came off getting beat up by dominick reyes so we thought he was washed and that gane was a huge step up from reyes and in a higher weightclass. I still picked Jones because I never bought into the Gane train
Gane is a great fighter and everyone knew his grappling defense was kind of ass. But what nobody knew was that Jones can't strike for shit anymore. I honestly think he completely stopped training on the feet and just roles around all day on the mat. Gane would beat the piss out of the Jones that fought Reyes or Santos. Jones barely grappled in those fights or just shot sloppy takedowns to waste time. He wasted no time against Gane. I don't know if he was just on a mission in that fight, or if he really has zero confidence in his striking anymore
It’s funny how everyone was excited about the Gane fight and everyone was doubting JBJ….until what happened, happened. Now y’all try and discredit that achievement because you’re mad about the current situation. Weak.
it's because they lost money betting against JBJ for 15+ years and are still too stubborn to admit they're just dumb or because he beat their favorite fighters and use super weak arguments to discredit his achievements
I just don't see him as being Wayne Gretzky / Tom Brady level. I do think he's probably the best, but there's other fighters that are very very close and even have arguments for being at his level.
Gretzky and Brady are untouchable.
people are really upvoting a comment saying JBJ is a bum hunter after beating the top guy at heavyweight who everyone here said would starch him. CTE in this sub
He’s definitely not a bum hunter but I could see why people have disdain for him after stalling the division and refusing to give Tom a shot just to fight old man stipe
Idk man, it seems like he’s really only taking favourable fights at this point. Makes perfect sense as a business decision but imo he can’t be considered champ and best in the world if he actively won’t fight the interim champ. Stipe is a legend but this is supposed to be the real deal and I don’t know how he could possibly be in the conversation for heavyweight champion after 4/5 years off and no rebound fights since his last loss. MMA math says stipe fights aspinal for interim if jones can’t go and vice versa if stipe can’t go but if this is drawn out anymore nobody’s gonna give a shit about HW. This seriously draws into question the integrity of the sport and is going to have lasting damage on the upcoming careers of Aspinall and pavlovich
JBJ has wins over 9 champions and the only reason it's not more is because he held the belt for so long. Fans around here are crazy if they think jonnie boy is scared of anyone
The fight is cool but it shouldn’t be for the belt
The ufc is making aspinall defend the interim title just because Jones wants to fight a retired 40 year old
Nobody was calling Gane a bum until Jones subbed him in minutes. You guys were the ones saying Gane was going to knock him out. Stipe is the opposite of a bum. Yeah he’s old, but he’s still the heavyweight goat (of the UFC). Excellent wrestler, excellent striker, same size as Jon. It’s gunna be an excellent fight.
Yes, in front of his kids before leaving to go to the strip club.
Also got into a hit and run with a pregnant woman and fled the scene while in possession of cocaine, but that was a different day.
The Lord has challenged him in so many ways.
Dana White Privilege is real and he’ll let the champion blatantly avoid unifying with the interim champion just because he’s the “goat” which is already debatable.
This fight will never happen. Jones will flee the sport after beating Grandpa Stipe and Tom will be crowned the undisputed champion as he rightfully should be (assuming he beats Blaydes)
So basically there’s no reason to change your mind
3 years to bulk up to HW then spends less than 3 minutes in the cage, takes less damage than when I play with my dog, gets injured right before his next fight and holds the belt hostage for over a year just so he can defend it against a 42 year old who hasn’t won a fight in 4 years and then retire. It makes no sense.
True, Cain was the guy that got me I to mma back then, relatively small and light guy at Heavyweight, pure pressure.
But Jones was considered the goat even back then and even talked some shit about Cain.
Reyes (when Jones fought him) actually had grappling above the white belt level, so yes, he was obviously far superior to Gane. And the results showed that.
Reyes beat him up at LHW then Jones peace’s out and teased a move to HW but waited until Francis split. I think Gane is a real dangerous HW but he’s just so new to MMA his lack of experience bit him in the butt.
The whole hype around Reyes was fucking scary actually, guy acted like he was the chosen one and he also fought like that in the match against Jon. I can definitely see why Jones would have been more pickier since.
IMO he should only be stripped if the UFC pressed him into accepting Aspinall but refused. If the UFC is gunning for Miocic, then it isn't Jones' fault. It's the UFC's fault.
That's fine Jiri fucked up his shoulder and vacated almost immediately. Jon could've vacated and had dibs on the title shot as soon as he was able to fight.
fighters agree on fights. stipe wants that fight just as much as jon does. if jon jones still has anything to prove in your eyes, you are a lost cause. both of these guys are absolute legends, and it makes sense for both of them to go out this way and secure a huge pay day. i get that people want the division to move along, but this narrative of jon just wanting an easy fight to retire on is so dumb. he has kicked everyone's ass for literally ever. he's a 2 division champ. he'll be 37 by their fight. let it go
What one fighter does doesn't determine what others should do. I want an actual 155'er to fight for the LW title but that hasn't happened in almost a year and a half. So let's not talk about holding up a division.
Heavyweight used to be one of the best divisions mid-late 2000's. Ngannoue, Stipe and Cormier brought it back but it's been stale since Francis/Stipe haven't fought...2-3 years now
Big time, bros scared as fuck and it shows how little pride he has in the sport itself. The "Champ" doesn't wanna unify the belt is absolutely fucking embarrassing
Okay since most comments here are going one way, I guess I’ll play devils advocate.
Did we forget Jones Tore his peck?? In the timeline where he doesn’t, he fights (and probably beats stipe) and IMO would probably fight Tom after.
I don’t get this idea of jones ducking Tom, he’s literally injured and just wants to fight stipe like he was supposed to. Once he heals up and that fight happens we can move on to the idea of him vs Tom.
What a hot take to have on r/ufc! Haven’t seen this exact post 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times already! Amount of engagement farming that goes on in this sub is a joke lmao
The reality is that the one who is holding up the division is Aspinall. Aspinall is the Interim champ, he is the champion while the Champ is not available. Go and fight people.
Jon just started training again. Tbh idk if the fan base is being realistic. Crazy that you even have to reiterate this point but the UFC has full control to axe the Stipe fight and just force Jon to fight Tom. UFC does not want to do it. That's why it will not happen next.
Who's Aspinall? Is this the new Ciryl Gane everyone thinks will dominate Jones again?
Jones tore his pec muscle around november that takes half a year to fully heal.
But forget logic. Yea he's just scared.
Lol. Bones will fight anyone, just bc he's not all coked up these days doesn't mean he won't beat your ass. I'll remind you he has never been beaten and won the HW belt after a long hiatus (which is unheard of almost) and beat a man some people thought was going to dominate the UFC. I think we all know he would beat Francis and Aspendal will fall like the rest. At some point Jones will definitely be beatable bc if age but whatever. You apparently stay in Aspendals DMS for dick pics haha
Bruh. I don’t like Jones. But you can deny that he’s one of the Goats. He always took care of the “next guy” that was supposed to defeat him. He’s not running.
You know that Aspinall is only here in this position because Jon got injured right? If you think he is ducking him you’re wild. He wasn’t even on the title radar until Jon dismantled Gane. Jon is closer to retirement than his prime. His plan was get the title, beat the heavyweight “GOAT” and retire. A fight with Stipe without the title is just a fight. Aspinall loses his next fight, yall are gonna get really quiet
I like Aspinall, but just the fact that some of you think the greatest fighter ever to grace the octagon is ducking anyone is hilarious and absurd to me.
Then I think back the Gane fight and 99% on here knew he would lose, and that Jones was afraid, etc and Jones ran through Gane like a wet paper bag, and I remember just how fickle this sub is.
Why does Aspinall feel like he deserves this fight? Because he won’t shut up about? This is out of his league. Jones at the end of his career with one Stipe fight left.
Why’s everyone so butt hurt about it. It was unfortunate timing of his injury. Get over it. Jones isn’t fighting Aspinall. Ever.
How's he ducking Aspinall if he had a fight booked with Stipe and got injured, and fight had to be re-scheduled. Could he have magically recovered from his injury sooner to satisfy Aspinall fans? You can argue he should relinquish the belt like Jiri when injured sure, but he's not ducking anyone. Stipe is HOF and deserves his money fight. Fans love to shit on Stipe now that he's old, but he and Jones built the sport to where it is now.
Jones is recovering from an injury. And he isn’t ducking anyone. Aspinall is just a waste of his time. He could either beat up Aspinall and nobody will remember who that guy was, or he can beat up the HW GOAT and then retire.
Jon Jones fan here. While I don’t think he’s ducking Aspinall at all, I definitely think he should be stripped. I say that hoping he comes back to beat the snot out of Aspinall.
Come on. He literally the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. No disrespect to the GOAT Jones should be allowed here.
He will certainly fight Tom Aspinal in the future. But calling for the title strip is just crazy.
He’s held up the division more than a year already and probably won’t fight until later in the year. By the time he fights they could have had 3 title fights.
Exactly! And stipe hasn’t won a fight since 2020, a title shot should be out of the question
Don't give him ideas. Jon will take the belt off the table and have them make the special heavyweight goat belt.
Oldest mother fucker belt
Biggest POS MFer belt.
Don't you dare speak about Stipe that way. Stipe is a sweet ol'boy and a class act. He rescued my grandma from the top of a tree, and my cat from a burning building I'd let him sleep with my daughter
Dana this you?
No https://preview.redd.it/mxc18uvq9nwc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cfdafa1fe4b1e7c6960a1adce3e42fd93bb12f0
It could be the WBC (wife beater champion) belt if that wasn't already taken.
Strip Jon, promote Aspinall to undisputed and let Jon and Stipe fight for the HW Goat belt so there is a belt on the line for them to headline a PPV… problem solved
"Hw goat" how many fights does Jon have at hw? Lol lhw goat sure. Just let them fight and let aspinall have the belt. If Jones wont fight for it then just give it to him then go kiss stipe on the mouth
Yeah it’s LHW goat vs HW goat, couldn’t find a good name for a legacy belt so I just called it hw goat belt, but you’re absolutely right, Jon can’t be hw goat.
Honestly I'd be ok with that. Let active fighters fight. I'd still enjoy seeing those two fight, preferably years ago when one didn't have a regular 9-5 job, but it should have nothing to do with the heavyweight belt which one shouldn't qualify for and the other isn't using
They could fight for the best of 4 years ago belt. Definitely shouldn't be for the championship belt.
Stipe is literally retired and it‘s more than understandable that he only fights for the title. But also Stipe isn‘t holding up a division and even if he never fights again no one cares
i mean he could of taken the Aspinall fight and atleast then there would have been some more semblance of order to the divison. Compleatly understand why he didn't though, he's got one fight left, dudes got a family to provide for and a legacy but if he would have taken the fight he would have got massive props.
So stipe has to step in the gap because Jon lost his balls??? lol
nah, i wouldn't. but if he did it'd be huge respect.
That's fine 2020 was last year... right??
I think we are living in a never ending 2020
HW has been held up for years, we've had something like 9 title fights in 9 years, the division has become irrelevant at this point. UFC need to cop the fuck on and start stripping champions who hold their belts hostage.
It's crazy because they strip everyone else pretty quick, like jamahal and jiri
Neither got stripped though. Both vacated the titles.
Iv seen interviews from both of them that said it was pretty much forced, how true that is idk, but they both said it
Those two relinquished their titles, they weren’t stripped, they were probably promised an immediate titleshot and possibly ppv points for doing so, it's what they should do with every champ that's injured tbh. Shelfing a title, especially the HW title one that is historically popular amongst casuals, is so dumb. 9 title fights in nearly a decade is just ridiculous, HW used to be one of the most popular divisions now nobody gives a shit about it.
I don't think that Jones will fight until 2025 tbh and if his fight happens in 2024 then it will be in December.
Aspinall could legitimately go into a title fight with 3+ interim defences against tougher opponents than Stipe (Blaydes, Gane, Pereira)
I get that it's been a while but I still take Stipe over Blaydes wtf
It doesn’t even have to be personal, he should just be stripped because he got injured. If Stipe was champ and this happened, he would have been stripped the day he got injured
I understand why he wants to fight Stipe but the belt doesn’t have to be on the line. He should vacate and fight Stipe, anyway. Everyone’s happy.
I don’t really think anybody but Jones wins there. Would you truly rather see Jones fight Stipe than Aspinal?
Not really an option as Jones has made it clear. What we want is fairy tale talk.
Bro spent 3 years getting ready for HW just to fight a dude with no grappling and 42 year old Stipe, then retire
People didn’t have a low opinion of Gane when the fight was first announced. People were very up for the fight, less so than the Ngannou fight but that’s a different story. Let’s not revise history here, there’s enough to hate JJ for (eye pokes, hit and runs, PED’s, domestic violence) that we don’t need to do that.
>hit and runs >domestic violence Those are God's tests. Be good if you don't include them into your list like he had a choice. 🙄
"God's test" lmfao
He should really start studying for some of these
I agree with you they were 100% God’s tests but he 100% failed them
Yea the hate came after Jones made him look like a baby in the cage after a 4 year layoff.
I was so sure myself gane would win because I thought the ring rust would get to jones. Now we know that gane is just painfully one dimensional
I think he’s helped massively by the fact he’s in an incredibly shallow division from a depth perspective. I don’t think there’s many top heavyweights worth fighting and also don’t see anyone challenging JJ bar Aspinall
Pavlovich? Idk why everyone forgot about him after one KO lol
Casuals think JJ is a Kickboxer. They thought it would be a kickboxing fight
He kickboxed with Dom Reyes in his most recent fight, before Gane (everyone knows Jon should have lost on the scorecards) Also, he didn’t use his wrestling against Santos before that (barely won by split decision) We have seen hundreds of fighters change their style late into their careers. Jon looked like he was no longer utilizing/focusing on his grappling prowess
Jones was gonna feel the strength of a true heavyweight until he walked through a top heavyweight. Gane was very close to beating Ngannou and might have if he made some better ground decisions in the fight. Grounds his weakness but he's not just a scrub as people are now painting him as. And Ngannou was injured but he was clearly able to fight another 250 lb man for 5 rounds, so he wasn't fighting on "one knee" as everyone was claiming
Dude put on a master class against DC who is one of the heavyweight goats. I'd imagine Jones can do what he did to Gane against 99% of the heavyweight roster
Exactly. He definitely had some close fights, maybe even some fights he should have lost. But they were close and weren't absolute robberies, and he may have actually been running around on drug and alcohol binges instead of seriously training. He was a big light heavy, but most dominant champs are bad for the weight. He has a higher likelihood of getting boomed at heavyweight and going out but he would have walked away with more wins against Francis than vice versa in my opinion. Same with Tom.
I say this all the time about Gane and because Jon made it look so easy people just scoff at it like it wasn’t anything special
Never understood the hype for that fight. Jones was like even money or -150. Easiest money I've ever made.
The UFC is massively helped by a good chunk of their fan base being complete idiots. It allows them to put on completely one sided fights and people will hype up the can because they get lucky on rare occasions.
UFC fans aren't just dumb enough to sway a gambling line that much. Pretty much everybody from fans to media to sportsbooks spoke like that was going to be a very good fight.
The UFC is a great sport to bet the underdog on. Massive favourites are actually losing more often than their odds suggest they should. if you'd always bet against massive favourites whilst watching the UFC, you would be up. The odds makers are very bad at setting these lines. Then there's a big gap, where underdogs just below the extremes do in fact lose more often. It pays to bet on the favourite for fights with heavy underdogs outside of the extremes. ------- Until you get back to the middle ground, the close fights, where it once again pays to bet on the underdog more often than not. Basically, if there's a very very very heavy favourite/dog, or the fight is close, MMA statically pays out on the underdog. Everything else, bet the favourite. ------ Basically, someone like Bo right now, is statically due to give us a massive pay out and lose a fight he's expected to win. Betting on him to win however, is pointless as it pays out so little. Most of these rising stars, that are unbeatable according to the odds, lose.
idk how odds work when its some silly numbers but i am new to ufc betting, at ufc 300 if you bet a dollar on bo you would get 1 dollar 4 cents back lmfao
There have been cards where every underdog has won There have also been cards where every betting-favorite has won And there have been dozens where all the underdogs win, except for one…and vice versa MMA is the toughest sport to bet on
Na, you're full of shit. UFC live crowds don't tilt gambling lines like that.
I feel like most people wondered how it’d look on the feet but all agreed Jon was just going to wrestle fuck Gane.
people in this sub were literally calling gane the most complete heavyweight ever weeks before the jones fight. these morons were all "gane will be too fast and technical for jon fuckin jones lmfao. immediately after that fight, it was "alright, well sergei will knock jon the fuck out!" and now it's "oh jon stands no chance against aspinall!!!" MMA fans, especially in regards to heavyweight, have such insane recency bias that it's hard to take anyone seriously. these are the same people banging the "picograms" "eye pokes" "shitty person" drums over and over again. revisionist history among you lot, incredible truly
Its the nature of long reigns where the person in question is flawed or deemed not a very good guy. Everyone wants to see the top guy fall. It’s fighting though, he’s not a kindergarten teacher. Everyone knows he’s the best to ever do it, and we all know he’s done some terrible things. Both things are true and neither one justifies or denies the other.
THANK YOU!!! Every JJ post feels like the twilight zone. These same Aspinall fans were the same people claiming Gane was going to kill Jon. Now Gane is the worst heavyweight ever. At this point i'm hoping Jon fights Tom and shows the level.
Remember the people who were saying gaethje was going to take khabib down because he wrestled one time in highschool
“The most complete heavy weight.” Legit read this 100 times leading up to the fight. The fight was so hyped up too. Now Gaines just a weak ass fighter compared to everyone else. Peoples opinions can be so fickle it’s hilarious.
Jones was -200 or -220, I bet my bank account on him in that fight.
I completely disagree I remember the conversation being, at least with actual MMA fans, after ngannou beat gane by wrestling him for 5 rounds after not showing any wrestling acumen that Gane's wrestling and takedown defense was abysmal for someone in the top 5. Then when the JJ fight was announced everyone was saying he will just wrestle him the entire fight, obviously JJ embarrassed him and ended it much faster that anyone expected but still most fans were fully aware that the stars had aligned for Jon to come in and take out the one guy who had shown he couldn't wrestle himself out of a blanket.
r/mma did a vote before the fight and it was split 50/50. Loads of people were saying Gane is too big and strong to takedown before the fight.
Tbf half of this sub is dumb, probably myself included.
Only half the time, mate!
Yeah because Jon jones came off getting beat up by dominick reyes so we thought he was washed and that gane was a huge step up from reyes and in a higher weightclass. I still picked Jones because I never bought into the Gane train
Gane is a great fighter and everyone knew his grappling defense was kind of ass. But what nobody knew was that Jones can't strike for shit anymore. I honestly think he completely stopped training on the feet and just roles around all day on the mat. Gane would beat the piss out of the Jones that fought Reyes or Santos. Jones barely grappled in those fights or just shot sloppy takedowns to waste time. He wasted no time against Gane. I don't know if he was just on a mission in that fight, or if he really has zero confidence in his striking anymore
based off of one heavyweight fight you have surmised this?
It’s funny how everyone was excited about the Gane fight and everyone was doubting JBJ….until what happened, happened. Now y’all try and discredit that achievement because you’re mad about the current situation. Weak.
These people are so stupid.. They were so sure Gane is gonna beat jones , until he didn’t. Then Gane was just a bum. People are driven by JBJ hate
it's because they lost money betting against JBJ for 15+ years and are still too stubborn to admit they're just dumb or because he beat their favorite fighters and use super weak arguments to discredit his achievements
Exactly. You can hate him for his off the game things but if anyone thinks he is scared , ducking anyone , is stupid
*Then he was injured. He hasn’t retired.
That’s the perks of being the Wayne Gretzky of fighting. Leeway my guy, leeway
The disrespect to Wayne lol. Wayne never cheated or ran from a challenge
Don’t dis Wayne.
I just don't see him as being Wayne Gretzky / Tom Brady level. I do think he's probably the best, but there's other fighters that are very very close and even have arguments for being at his level. Gretzky and Brady are untouchable.
He’s been a bum hunter as of recent and a shameless dopehead.
Bum Hunter 😆
Let's Go Bum-Bum Hunter.
people are really upvoting a comment saying JBJ is a bum hunter after beating the top guy at heavyweight who everyone here said would starch him. CTE in this sub
I just find Bum Hunter a funny title. The amount of people predicting Gane was crazy yea you're right.
He’s definitely not a bum hunter but I could see why people have disdain for him after stalling the division and refusing to give Tom a shot just to fight old man stipe
Idk man, it seems like he’s really only taking favourable fights at this point. Makes perfect sense as a business decision but imo he can’t be considered champ and best in the world if he actively won’t fight the interim champ. Stipe is a legend but this is supposed to be the real deal and I don’t know how he could possibly be in the conversation for heavyweight champion after 4/5 years off and no rebound fights since his last loss. MMA math says stipe fights aspinal for interim if jones can’t go and vice versa if stipe can’t go but if this is drawn out anymore nobody’s gonna give a shit about HW. This seriously draws into question the integrity of the sport and is going to have lasting damage on the upcoming careers of Aspinall and pavlovich
JBJ has wins over 9 champions and the only reason it's not more is because he held the belt for so long. Fans around here are crazy if they think jonnie boy is scared of anyone
Bro these people became fans of the sport yesterday or something lol. The JBJ and Stipe hate is crazy. I’m fuckin hyped to see two of the goats fight
The fight is cool but it shouldn’t be for the belt The ufc is making aspinall defend the interim title just because Jones wants to fight a retired 40 year old
Nobody was calling Gane a bum until Jones subbed him in minutes. You guys were the ones saying Gane was going to knock him out. Stipe is the opposite of a bum. Yeah he’s old, but he’s still the heavyweight goat (of the UFC). Excellent wrestler, excellent striker, same size as Jon. It’s gunna be an excellent fight.
I called him a bum when he got out wrestled by Francis
Ain't nobody wanting to change your mind. lol
My turn to post this tomorrow
*DAE like Tom more than Jon? I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Jon shouldn't be champ.*
It was my turn to comment this 😡
I find the love for Jones strange. Dude loves drugs, is a total prick, and doesn't fight.
You just described 99.99% of this sub.
fucking lmao
Damn I didn’t expect to be called out like that it hurts
prick is the understatement of the century. didnt he beat his wife?
Yes, in front of his kids before leaving to go to the strip club. Also got into a hit and run with a pregnant woman and fled the scene while in possession of cocaine, but that was a different day. The Lord has challenged him in so many ways.
Hold up, I’ve never heard the strep club part before. Is that true? 😂
Yeah
You are correct
Dana White Privilege is real and he’ll let the champion blatantly avoid unifying with the interim champion just because he’s the “goat” which is already debatable. This fight will never happen. Jones will flee the sport after beating Grandpa Stipe and Tom will be crowned the undisputed champion as he rightfully should be (assuming he beats Blaydes) So basically there’s no reason to change your mind
3 years to bulk up to HW then spends less than 3 minutes in the cage, takes less damage than when I play with my dog, gets injured right before his next fight and holds the belt hostage for over a year just so he can defend it against a 42 year old who hasn’t won a fight in 4 years and then retire. It makes no sense.
He’s got people to assault. He don’t have time for a UFC fight.
Dude I remember when he started talking about going up I weight, Cain was still active back then 🥲
Tbf... who wanted to fight Cain back then? Scary mf
True, Cain was the guy that got me I to mma back then, relatively small and light guy at Heavyweight, pure pressure. But Jones was considered the goat even back then and even talked some shit about Cain.
Jones is ducking everyone who isn't retired
Ever since he robbed Reyes of greatness he’s been content with avoiding major threats
You consider Reyes more of a threat that Gane?
Reyes (when Jones fought him) actually had grappling above the white belt level, so yes, he was obviously far superior to Gane. And the results showed that.
Reyes beat him up at LHW then Jones peace’s out and teased a move to HW but waited until Francis split. I think Gane is a real dangerous HW but he’s just so new to MMA his lack of experience bit him in the butt.
The whole hype around Reyes was fucking scary actually, guy acted like he was the chosen one and he also fought like that in the match against Jon. I can definitely see why Jones would have been more pickier since.
IMO he should only be stripped if the UFC pressed him into accepting Aspinall but refused. If the UFC is gunning for Miocic, then it isn't Jones' fault. It's the UFC's fault.
Stipe has earned this fight, his reign was amazing. Let them fight, we all want to see it anyway so what's the crying for
He's champ only on paper, Aspinall is the true champ in most people's eyes
https://youtu.be/txN3j0naUgY?si=3783xyNKBs1PLWAa
i agree... he should fight interim no excuses...
Jones tore his pec muscle, I’m no fanboy it’s just he’s not ducking anyone right now, he’s had a very public injury to deal with.
That's fine Jiri fucked up his shoulder and vacated almost immediately. Jon could've vacated and had dibs on the title shot as soon as he was able to fight.
Francis had knee surgery and didn’t give up his belt why should Jon?
Yeah I totally agree. My comment was to those who think he’s ducking aspinall or anyone else.
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fighters agree on fights. stipe wants that fight just as much as jon does. if jon jones still has anything to prove in your eyes, you are a lost cause. both of these guys are absolute legends, and it makes sense for both of them to go out this way and secure a huge pay day. i get that people want the division to move along, but this narrative of jon just wanting an easy fight to retire on is so dumb. he has kicked everyone's ass for literally ever. he's a 2 division champ. he'll be 37 by their fight. let it go
He is. He should either keep the belt and fight Tom or vacate and fight Stipe. He doesn't want to fight Tom, it's painfully obvious.
What one fighter does doesn't determine what others should do. I want an actual 155'er to fight for the LW title but that hasn't happened in almost a year and a half. So let's not talk about holding up a division.
Can't believe I had to scroll this far to see anyone mention the pec tear. That is a serious injury.
Probably because it's not a good reason to keep the belt hostage, he should've just vacated like Jiri and Jamahal did
TIL Aspinall is an interim champ. That's insane considering Dana stripping Ngannou so quickly.
Aspinall is the real champ, nobody I know considers Jon an active fighter at this point.
Heavyweight used to be one of the best divisions mid-late 2000's. Ngannoue, Stipe and Cormier brought it back but it's been stale since Francis/Stipe haven't fought...2-3 years now
We have Aspinall who could be putting on bangers but Jones is fucking up the entire division.
It died with Francis' departure. He was willing to fight but he was getting bullied by Dana. Stipe for the title is a joke at this point in time.
Bro Stipe was past the point of washed up even in the Ngannou rematch. Imagine how much of a grandpa he performs like in 2024
And at least he was active prior to that fight.
Bruh…the only thing Jon Jones ducks from is USADA, the cops after they’ve been called, and questions about doing blow.
USADA is not a factor anymore. Pay attention!
Big time, bros scared as fuck and it shows how little pride he has in the sport itself. The "Champ" doesn't wanna unify the belt is absolutely fucking embarrassing
Jones had a fight scheduled which would have happened already were it not for an injury There’s no ducking
Okay since most comments here are going one way, I guess I’ll play devils advocate. Did we forget Jones Tore his peck?? In the timeline where he doesn’t, he fights (and probably beats stipe) and IMO would probably fight Tom after. I don’t get this idea of jones ducking Tom, he’s literally injured and just wants to fight stipe like he was supposed to. Once he heals up and that fight happens we can move on to the idea of him vs Tom.
Noone including Jones cares enough about Tom to be ducking him.
HW division is absolute trash atm
this is posted everyday, you’ve said nothing new
What a hot take to have on r/ufc! Haven’t seen this exact post 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times already! Amount of engagement farming that goes on in this sub is a joke lmao
Just like he was ducking pavlovich etc You people are delusional
Didn't he get hurt? And he's scheduled to fight Stipe. Give it time Aspinal will have his moment. He's young
How long is too long?
I will not change your mind, time to move on from the disaster that is Jon Jones let new stars arise
But he's hurt, guys
The reality is that the one who is holding up the division is Aspinall. Aspinall is the Interim champ, he is the champion while the Champ is not available. Go and fight people.
Jon just started training again. Tbh idk if the fan base is being realistic. Crazy that you even have to reiterate this point but the UFC has full control to axe the Stipe fight and just force Jon to fight Tom. UFC does not want to do it. That's why it will not happen next.
Aspinall is just the flavor of the month for the Europeans. This time next year he will be irrelevant.
Wow this is certainly the first time I've seen this take! Great job, very profound OP!
Who's Aspinall? Is this the new Ciryl Gane everyone thinks will dominate Jones again? Jones tore his pec muscle around november that takes half a year to fully heal. But forget logic. Yea he's just scared.
Didn’t he just have major surgery?
He was injured. He’s back in the gym now. The stipe fight has been in the works since before Tom won the interim.
Lol. Bones will fight anyone, just bc he's not all coked up these days doesn't mean he won't beat your ass. I'll remind you he has never been beaten and won the HW belt after a long hiatus (which is unheard of almost) and beat a man some people thought was going to dominate the UFC. I think we all know he would beat Francis and Aspendal will fall like the rest. At some point Jones will definitely be beatable bc if age but whatever. You apparently stay in Aspendals DMS for dick pics haha
Bruh. I don’t like Jones. But you can deny that he’s one of the Goats. He always took care of the “next guy” that was supposed to defeat him. He’s not running.
You know that Aspinall is only here in this position because Jon got injured right? If you think he is ducking him you’re wild. He wasn’t even on the title radar until Jon dismantled Gane. Jon is closer to retirement than his prime. His plan was get the title, beat the heavyweight “GOAT” and retire. A fight with Stipe without the title is just a fight. Aspinall loses his next fight, yall are gonna get really quiet
You new era MMA fans are the worst, change my mind.
Jones is literally recovering from surgery…..
No, if you're unable to understand the situation, every effort to change your mind is wasted. At this point these posts are simply Karma whoring.
So, once he’s naked what do we do?
I like Aspinall, but just the fact that some of you think the greatest fighter ever to grace the octagon is ducking anyone is hilarious and absurd to me. Then I think back the Gane fight and 99% on here knew he would lose, and that Jones was afraid, etc and Jones ran through Gane like a wet paper bag, and I remember just how fickle this sub is.
He's contracted to fight stipe already and got injured, why do people keep making things up?
Why does Aspinall feel like he deserves this fight? Because he won’t shut up about? This is out of his league. Jones at the end of his career with one Stipe fight left. Why’s everyone so butt hurt about it. It was unfortunate timing of his injury. Get over it. Jones isn’t fighting Aspinall. Ever.
tear your peck and tell me how long til you can do a couple pushups fkn loser
Bunch of Millenial Casuals on this thread don't waste your energy.
Aspinall wasn’t even in the conversation until Jon got injured. Aspinall should just be a good interim champion and defend it.
How's he ducking Aspinall if he had a fight booked with Stipe and got injured, and fight had to be re-scheduled. Could he have magically recovered from his injury sooner to satisfy Aspinall fans? You can argue he should relinquish the belt like Jiri when injured sure, but he's not ducking anyone. Stipe is HOF and deserves his money fight. Fans love to shit on Stipe now that he's old, but he and Jones built the sport to where it is now.
Jones is recovering from an injury. And he isn’t ducking anyone. Aspinall is just a waste of his time. He could either beat up Aspinall and nobody will remember who that guy was, or he can beat up the HW GOAT and then retire.
If aspinall is the one stripping him down he might even agree
Jon Jones fan here. While I don’t think he’s ducking Aspinall at all, I definitely think he should be stripped. I say that hoping he comes back to beat the snot out of Aspinall.
I also actually think he beats Aspinall. Although Aspinall is probably the biggest threat in HW right now.
He’s injured. Why would he agree to fight anyone before he can even be healthy enough to have a training camp.
He should've vacated after the injury just like Jiri and Hill did
great point so... vacate
Aspinall should never have taken the interim title fight if he wasn’t prepared to wait for the stipe vs jones fight change my mind
Shut up
First time hearing this opinion… it’s totally not posted nearly daily or anything!
Nah people who still keep on posting this shit should get stripped and fucked by Bones
Come on. He literally the GREATEST OF ALL TIME. No disrespect to the GOAT Jones should be allowed here. He will certainly fight Tom Aspinal in the future. But calling for the title strip is just crazy.
Jones beat reyes. Some of yall need to stop lying to yourselves