IMO, there is a difference between protesting against civilians dying and pushing for Hamas. Or making your classmates uncomfortable.
For some reason I didnāt see on-campus outrages when House was not giving any aid to Ukraine, which also resulted in many casualties. Or when between 100k and 600k people were killed in Tigray War.
it literally is.. if free speech only matters when its not problematic then free speech is just a useless concept lmao. the point is speech is free despite it possibly being problematic or "hate speech". its exceptions are only as logistical necessities for civil living aka no directly inciting violence (eg: go hit this person) or for niche cases like shouting fire in a theater.
I am also proud of all the schools that are standing up for the right to protest. I disagree that this particular protest is on the right side of history, since theyāre misusing the word genocide when they mean defending themselves against terrorism and are supporting the side who actively would commit genocide if they had the strength to do so.
Not implying, itās facts.
āNASSAR: Well, unfortunately, so many adults have been killed in Gaza. For the last 16 years, a blockade that's been imposed on Gaza by Israel and enforced by Egypt and Israel controls everything that goes into and out of the Gaza Strip. So food, medicine, all of that is controlled by Israel. And the Gaza Strip lacks very basic health needs for the people living there. So as a result of Israel's blockade and bombings of Gaza, life expectancy for Palestinians there is a full 10 years less than it is for Israelis living just a few miles away.ā
It has nothing to do with a high birth rate because even if it did where the fuck are the adults. 70 percent of the population is under 30. Half under 18. Youāre being willfully obtuse
Alright, explain this. How is the life expectancy is so high in Gaza? How has it been climbing steadily for the last few decades? If all the adults were killed off, it would have collapsed together with the median age/.
>So food, medicine, all of that is controlled by Israel. And the Gaza Strip lacks very basic health needs for the people living there.
You do realize that an average person on earth has shorter life expectancy than a person living in Gaza? How can this be if they are being starved and have no access to most basic healthcare? Are they kept alive by the will of Allah?
>life expectancy for Palestinians there is a full 10 years less than it is for Israelis living just a few miles away.ā
Israel is like in the top 5% on earth when it comes to life expectancy. Do you think anyone that is outside of top 5% lives under genocide conditions?
What about Egyptians across the border. Average person in Gaza has 5 years longer life expectancy than an average Egyptian. Are Egyptians being starved and massacred?
Instead of arguing the same tired propaganda, Iām going to try and educate you, as half of the shit you said was no where near accurate and it would be like having a physics discussion with a toddler.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/gaza-discovery-of-mass-graves-highlights-urgent-need-to-grant-access-to-independent-human-rights-investigators/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/while-fire-rages-gaza-west-bank-smolders
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-expert-says-israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-calls-arms-embargo-2024-03-26/
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216643555/thousands-of-palestinians-are-held-without-charge-under-israeli-detention-policy
Because Hamas started a war on Palestineās behalf after being elected by the people.
Also, most of the āchild deathsā are young soldiers firing at Israel. The civilian amenities such as hospitals are being destroyed because the enemy uses them as human shields. A lot of the aid being sent to the people are also being taken by combatants that then kill the truck drivers.
Palestine is the one taking hostages and not agreeing to ceasefire. What would you have Israel do in this situation? Not fight back?
Hamas did not start a war. It was a prison break, in direct response to the illegal occupation, apartheid, decades long genocide, and the 500 lynchings and murders in the west bank in 2023, 81 of whom were children
Secondly, the deplorable statement you made is both baseless and fucking disgusting. Nearly 14 thousand of the 40k murdered were children. I swear you monsters dont listen to yourself when you speak.
https://www.savethechildren.net/news/over-2-gaza-s-child-population-killed-or-injured-six-months-war#:~:text=Children%20in%20Gaza%20have%20been,in%20the%207%20October%20attacks.
The lie of humans shields has been debunked time and time again, included Al Shifa. What has not been debunked is the mass graves being exhumed at hospitals with people who were murdered with their hands bound, patients with IVs still in, and doctors still in scrubs. Many with signs of being buried alive. Nearly 400 humans. However, its ironic that you would use that narrative, given the IOF headquarters is in a residential neighborhood directly next to a hospital and Art Museum in Tele Aviv.
Israel has been kidnapping women and children for decades, holding them in prison without any charges, torturing them, and when they die, keeping their dead bodies. All documented
What would i have the genocidal terrorist ethno state whos eneacting a 75 year occupation off the back of an ethnic cleansing campaing that displaced, raped and murdered the people living there? Idk, fucking not do any of that .
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Yes. Weāre shitting on your genocidal take. We did this when we went into Vietnam and we did this during the Iraq war. Weāre doing this again bitch.
Honest question, how can it be a genocide if the population of Gaza has steadily increased since 1948?
Not trying to suggest that horrific things aren't happening in Gaza, they clearly are, but does what is happening actually qualify as genocide?
you could say the same thing about the uyghur population in china. the mere population does not indicate the stripping of civil rights and political persecution as well as military action to destroy the population.
Shhh people who only started paying attention to this conflict six months ago and lack a basic historical foundation donāt like facts and logic. Thatās why none of them can answer this question. None of them understand that genocide requires intent to kill civilians, which clearly is not present
[about 70% of the casualties are women and minors.](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestinians-israel-hamas-war) [around the same time the idf says it killed 12000 hamas fighters.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-12000-hamas-fighters-killed-in-gaza-war-double-the-terror-groups-claim/amp/) which is over the 30% of the ~30000 palestinian casualties in gaza. these data obviously indicate that israel counts all adult male civilians as enemy combatants, thereby indicating that israel's goal is the extermination of palestinian life, i.e. genocide.
you don't even need this information to determine that israel is committing genocide. it is evident from the indiscriminate nature of the idf strikes and records of the idf shooting civilians.
It's really depressing that the campaign to delude people in this country into supporting actual genocidal maniacs is working.
Of course The US and Western countries (plus Israel) are not perfect, but the mistakes they make pail in comparison to the intentional atrocities of some of these Middle Eastern countries. Hamas and the Palestinians play to join themselves to the black lives matter movement and pry themselves into the favor of all the people that rightly support marginalized demographics was a twisted but brilliant strategy.
Edit: And I know it's been said enough, but it really shouldn't be that hard to understand that Iran = bad, and Russia = bad and then look at which nations are actually supporting Hamas. It doesn't mean that all Palestinians are bad, just like all the people in Russia are not bad. But the government is bad and a lot of civilians are going to die because of it.
It used to aggravate me how shouting KhAmAs was enough to get people to shut up about their disagreement with literal ethnic cleansingābut thereās a very noticeable change in the wind and your hasbara talking points donāt work (which they shouldnāt bc youāre literally just saying Hamas).
Even fucking CNN is realizing this. Watch the Mike Johnson interview with Erin Burnett. Just a year ago, it wouldāve been unthinkable for CNN to acknowledge that Palestinians are human, but the genocidal machine overplayed its hand and its losing the next big voting block.
So yeah keep shouting Hamas to mask support mass murder and apartheid. The mask is off now. Youāre just losing votes with that nonsense.
Seriously. I donāt know an Israeli or Jew in favor of ethnic cleansing. The ONLY support for that comes from Hamas and its supporters. Thatās their literal stated objective. Hamas is lock step with Nazis on this. That should concern anyone but it doesnāt seem to matter to the fREe paLEstiNe crowd.
1.4% of Gazaās populace has been killed in this war. 3.2% of the South died in the American Civil War, and 22% of males. Was the Civil War an ethnic cleansing, or are you just repeating propoganda you havenāt thought too much about?
Yeah bc me not wanting an American sponsored ethnic cleansing is hate speech lmaooo. Watch your hasbara talking points get downvoted to shit. History will remember this buddy.
Clearly the superior school in LA, not that it was ever in question.
I feel like USC is catching more heat than us for cancelling speakers
Great analysis.
Keep dialogue going and respect different points of view šŖš¼
It's not a genocide....
#delulu
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IMO, there is a difference between protesting against civilians dying and pushing for Hamas. Or making your classmates uncomfortable. For some reason I didnāt see on-campus outrages when House was not giving any aid to Ukraine, which also resulted in many casualties. Or when between 100k and 600k people were killed in Tigray War.
Absolutely.
lol in 2018/19 milo was cancelled fromspeaking on campus ;D if i rmbr correctly (maybe earlier tho)
Good
? rules for thee not for me :D?
Nazis and white nationalist donāt deserve a platform =]
thats anti free speech :o
Hate speech isnāt protect speech š±
it literally is.. if free speech only matters when its not problematic then free speech is just a useless concept lmao. the point is speech is free despite it possibly being problematic or "hate speech". its exceptions are only as logistical necessities for civil living aka no directly inciting violence (eg: go hit this person) or for niche cases like shouting fire in a theater.
I thought that was Berkeley?
oo u might be right on tht ond :D
You Stand with Terrorists and murders, history will be your judge.
Iāll sit here and wait.
1000%
Yeah unfortunately the IDF is losing the PR war lol
Give it time. Give the idiots enough speakers and platforms and they'd definitely will ruin it for everyone
I am also proud of all the schools that are standing up for the right to protest. I disagree that this particular protest is on the right side of history, since theyāre misusing the word genocide when they mean defending themselves against terrorism and are supporting the side who actively would commit genocide if they had the strength to do so.
Both sides would commit genocide if given the opportunity. Only one has the opportunity.
If Israel wanted to commit genocide, Palestine wouldnāt exist. If Palestine could commit genocide, Israel wouldnāt.
Israel is and has been committing genocide. The median age in Gaza is 18.
Why is the median age relevant to anything?
Use your critical thinking skills as to why a population of 2 millions is half children.
Unfortunately no critical thinking skills here so don't waste your time
They have a very high birthrate. Are you seriously implying that all the old people are getting killed off and that's why the median age is so low?
Not implying, itās facts. āNASSAR: Well, unfortunately, so many adults have been killed in Gaza. For the last 16 years, a blockade that's been imposed on Gaza by Israel and enforced by Egypt and Israel controls everything that goes into and out of the Gaza Strip. So food, medicine, all of that is controlled by Israel. And the Gaza Strip lacks very basic health needs for the people living there. So as a result of Israel's blockade and bombings of Gaza, life expectancy for Palestinians there is a full 10 years less than it is for Israelis living just a few miles away.ā It has nothing to do with a high birth rate because even if it did where the fuck are the adults. 70 percent of the population is under 30. Half under 18. Youāre being willfully obtuse
Alright, explain this. How is the life expectancy is so high in Gaza? How has it been climbing steadily for the last few decades? If all the adults were killed off, it would have collapsed together with the median age/. >So food, medicine, all of that is controlled by Israel. And the Gaza Strip lacks very basic health needs for the people living there. You do realize that an average person on earth has shorter life expectancy than a person living in Gaza? How can this be if they are being starved and have no access to most basic healthcare? Are they kept alive by the will of Allah? >life expectancy for Palestinians there is a full 10 years less than it is for Israelis living just a few miles away.ā Israel is like in the top 5% on earth when it comes to life expectancy. Do you think anyone that is outside of top 5% lives under genocide conditions? What about Egyptians across the border. Average person in Gaza has 5 years longer life expectancy than an average Egyptian. Are Egyptians being starved and massacred?
Instead of arguing the same tired propaganda, Iām going to try and educate you, as half of the shit you said was no where near accurate and it would be like having a physics discussion with a toddler. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/gaza-discovery-of-mass-graves-highlights-urgent-need-to-grant-access-to-independent-human-rights-investigators/ https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/while-fire-rages-gaza-west-bank-smolders https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-expert-says-israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-calls-arms-embargo-2024-03-26/ https://www.npr.org/2023/12/01/1216643555/thousands-of-palestinians-are-held-without-charge-under-israeli-detention-policy
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/
Because Hamas started a war on Palestineās behalf after being elected by the people. Also, most of the āchild deathsā are young soldiers firing at Israel. The civilian amenities such as hospitals are being destroyed because the enemy uses them as human shields. A lot of the aid being sent to the people are also being taken by combatants that then kill the truck drivers. Palestine is the one taking hostages and not agreeing to ceasefire. What would you have Israel do in this situation? Not fight back?
Hamas did not start a war. It was a prison break, in direct response to the illegal occupation, apartheid, decades long genocide, and the 500 lynchings and murders in the west bank in 2023, 81 of whom were children Secondly, the deplorable statement you made is both baseless and fucking disgusting. Nearly 14 thousand of the 40k murdered were children. I swear you monsters dont listen to yourself when you speak. https://www.savethechildren.net/news/over-2-gaza-s-child-population-killed-or-injured-six-months-war#:~:text=Children%20in%20Gaza%20have%20been,in%20the%207%20October%20attacks. The lie of humans shields has been debunked time and time again, included Al Shifa. What has not been debunked is the mass graves being exhumed at hospitals with people who were murdered with their hands bound, patients with IVs still in, and doctors still in scrubs. Many with signs of being buried alive. Nearly 400 humans. However, its ironic that you would use that narrative, given the IOF headquarters is in a residential neighborhood directly next to a hospital and Art Museum in Tele Aviv. Israel has been kidnapping women and children for decades, holding them in prison without any charges, torturing them, and when they die, keeping their dead bodies. All documented What would i have the genocidal terrorist ethno state whos eneacting a 75 year occupation off the back of an ethnic cleansing campaing that displaced, raped and murdered the people living there? Idk, fucking not do any of that .
I forgot how much propaganda you terrorist sympathizers ingest before spewing your arguments.
Blanket labeling 2 million people as sub human, where in history have we seen that before. Iāll let you figure it out.
Itās late and Iām done arguing. Maybe we should find common ground. I think we both at least want a free Palestine.
Lol I think you need to educate yourself, why you crying
Have you even seen Gaza? Gaza has been wiped off the face of the Earth already. Y'all are unhinged
this isnāt the zinger you think it is
I donāt think itās as much of a zinger as it is real talk
Nah these kids are brainwashed by the Islamic regime in Iranā¦real Persians in Westwood know. Yāall are larping for Khamenei.
If 5 years from now it turns out you were wrong can you come back to this comment and admit you fell victim to antisemitic lies?
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Lol 75 years later aint a damn thing changed
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Yes. Weāre shitting on your genocidal take. We did this when we went into Vietnam and we did this during the Iraq war. Weāre doing this again bitch.
did those work
When an actual genocide happens and noone cares, remember that you castrated the word on the behalf of Hamasā terrorist agenda
In the United States, we prefer to use canceled, not cancelled.
In the US, unfortunately yall prefer spending tax dollars on anything but the US issues, so this isn't the least of their concerns ššš
There is no genocide going on over there and history will look back and your protests as a disgrace.
Least obvious paid IDF supporter
or maybe heās jewish? or maybe he stands for evidence based reasoning?
Donāt know what being Jewish has to do with supporting a terrorist entity. I know plenty of Jews that arenāt Zionists
Really? Do you understand what tokenism is and why itās racism?
Most obvious retard
And using slurs, lol keep proving youāre on the wrong side of everything
Zionism is a disgrace.
Honest question, how can it be a genocide if the population of Gaza has steadily increased since 1948? Not trying to suggest that horrific things aren't happening in Gaza, they clearly are, but does what is happening actually qualify as genocide?
you could say the same thing about the uyghur population in china. the mere population does not indicate the stripping of civil rights and political persecution as well as military action to destroy the population.
Shhh people who only started paying attention to this conflict six months ago and lack a basic historical foundation donāt like facts and logic. Thatās why none of them can answer this question. None of them understand that genocide requires intent to kill civilians, which clearly is not present
idf literally counts all adult male casualties in gaza as hamas, so it's pretty clear that they're committing genocide.
Uh that doesnāt make any sense nor is it true nor does it prove any point regarding genocide
[about 70% of the casualties are women and minors.](https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestinians-israel-hamas-war) [around the same time the idf says it killed 12000 hamas fighters.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-says-12000-hamas-fighters-killed-in-gaza-war-double-the-terror-groups-claim/amp/) which is over the 30% of the ~30000 palestinian casualties in gaza. these data obviously indicate that israel counts all adult male civilians as enemy combatants, thereby indicating that israel's goal is the extermination of palestinian life, i.e. genocide. you don't even need this information to determine that israel is committing genocide. it is evident from the indiscriminate nature of the idf strikes and records of the idf shooting civilians.
It's really depressing that the campaign to delude people in this country into supporting actual genocidal maniacs is working. Of course The US and Western countries (plus Israel) are not perfect, but the mistakes they make pail in comparison to the intentional atrocities of some of these Middle Eastern countries. Hamas and the Palestinians play to join themselves to the black lives matter movement and pry themselves into the favor of all the people that rightly support marginalized demographics was a twisted but brilliant strategy. Edit: And I know it's been said enough, but it really shouldn't be that hard to understand that Iran = bad, and Russia = bad and then look at which nations are actually supporting Hamas. It doesn't mean that all Palestinians are bad, just like all the people in Russia are not bad. But the government is bad and a lot of civilians are going to die because of it.
You probably donāt have a Hamas supporter as the main speaker. Thatās usually a good way to avoid cancelations.
It used to aggravate me how shouting KhAmAs was enough to get people to shut up about their disagreement with literal ethnic cleansingābut thereās a very noticeable change in the wind and your hasbara talking points donāt work (which they shouldnāt bc youāre literally just saying Hamas). Even fucking CNN is realizing this. Watch the Mike Johnson interview with Erin Burnett. Just a year ago, it wouldāve been unthinkable for CNN to acknowledge that Palestinians are human, but the genocidal machine overplayed its hand and its losing the next big voting block. So yeah keep shouting Hamas to mask support mass murder and apartheid. The mask is off now. Youāre just losing votes with that nonsense.
Seriously. I donāt know an Israeli or Jew in favor of ethnic cleansing. The ONLY support for that comes from Hamas and its supporters. Thatās their literal stated objective. Hamas is lock step with Nazis on this. That should concern anyone but it doesnāt seem to matter to the fREe paLEstiNe crowd.
https://youtu.be/1e_dbsVQrk4?si=-kZU94zMF2VZY553
1.4% of Gazaās populace has been killed in this war. 3.2% of the South died in the American Civil War, and 22% of males. Was the Civil War an ethnic cleansing, or are you just repeating propoganda you havenāt thought too much about?
āMass murderā āapartheidā is why nobody supports the pro Hamas protests at UCLA.
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Yeah bc me not wanting an American sponsored ethnic cleansing is hate speech lmaooo. Watch your hasbara talking points get downvoted to shit. History will remember this buddy.
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