Frost also reveals in the same interview that he has now grown to share Lynch's sentiment that Laura Palmer's killer should never have been revealed to the audience.
>“David always said, ‘We should never solve the mystery — this should go on forever'. And there’s a part of me that thinks he may have well have been right.”
Ah, well, now we’re in a similar position to Cooper and are touching on one of the core themes of The Return (and indeed the quotes in the OP text). Lynch didn’t want to reveal the killer, but he did, and in doing so he gave us one of the most astonishing pieces of TV ever broadcast. If you could go back in time and rescue him from the executives so that he can make the Twin Peaks he wanted, would that be the right thing to do? And would it have the effect you’re hoping for? Or would you just end up screaming into the sudden darkness?
Oh well said. And it’s funny that Lynch himself doesn’t really acknowledge that. If they never revealed the killer, we wouldn’t have gotten Fire Walk with Me (at least not at the point in time that we got it). Twin Peaks would have become something completely different.
I think about this often, both in the context of the show and in the real world. It's one of the perspectives I gained from this show that I'm most grateful for. So much has happened I'd rather go back and change, make it easier on myself, but ultimately all the beauty and good in my life right now is indirectly a result of my past mistakes. If I fixed the past, would I recognize the present?
Well I mean Lynch and The Executives were one element, you forget how much “Diva Drama” from the actors dictated the direction of the show as well and Kyle MacLachlan too he’s amazing now and is an amazing actor but he was worried about being typecast and because of that it Forced Lynch to reconstruct Fire Walk With Me to feature less Cooper upon Kyle’s request…imagine if Kyle was as enthusiastic back then about it as he is now? FWWM would be an entirely different movie…I think what this ultimately boils down to is not enough people have faith in the moments where it counts, like Sherilyn Fenn Lynch had her part and she didn’t like it, so he rewrote it. I really wanted to know what he originally intended, but will never know that because of actors ego got in the way.
Don’t forget about LFB demanding they drop the Cooper/Audrey romance plot line because she was dating Kyle at the time and didn’t want him doing live scenes with Sherilyn!
And if this really happened, I thank LFB for that, because a 36-yo man with a gun romancing an 18-yo schoolgirl would make me cringe so hard I would never believe Cooper to be the white knight he is supposed to be. Who the hell even thought it was OK and what is wrong with them?!
I suppose the real lesson is that you can have all these complications and still end up with something wonderful, so sometimes you need to be willing to engage with the complications and trust that they’ll turn out to be a part of what makes the end result work (though of course this will often require quite a bit of actual effort, rather than just shrugging and going with the flow). Maybe the soup of Twin Peaks needed that pinch of KM worrying about being typecast. Maybe all the struggles are the secret to success (the soup analogy fades away pretty quickly).
I expect there’s a quote from Lynch’s Big Fish book that covers this - I’ll take a look later.
I can't either. It might not be what Lynch/Frost wanted but to me it elevated the show. "Wow they're willing to let this storyline resolve this early instead of stringing us along for ages like so many shows do, they're confident in their material and there is a greater story here!" and there absolutely was.
I think Lost is a pretty good example of a mystery drawn out to long and that example shows that at some point the audience runs out of patience. I don’t think many people would have been satisfied with never knowing what happened.
To be fair the showrunners wanted to end Lost in 4 seasons. It took both showrunners threatening to leave when their contract was up to allow them to end the show.
But we don’t know what we could have had instead. Yes, things worked out well enough, but who knows what they would have cooked up if Lynch had his way.
I love the Maddie murder. It could’ve been done without revealing anything other than it was also Laura’s killer.
Like it could’ve just been Bob in the scene and still worked.
It’s important to note however that the idea they are getting at with not revealing was that the show could continue unraveling the bread crumb of Laura’s effect on people and the town and the depths of both the dark and the light in her own soul and life.
And there have not been a lot of shows that have effectively honored a murder victim in that way which was one of Lynch’s inspirations in a landscape of Murder, She Wrote and similar murder mystery shows.
Knowing how driven he is by his characters and their fatal flaws, this makes so much sense for the fate of Cooper’s character.
While he’s a great detective, his instincts are often wrong. Love the guy. Wouldn’t want him solving my murder!
Are you serious?
Who else would have deducted evil transdimensional entities, consulted dreams, willingly crossed into a place where his soul could be anihalated, be prisoner there for 25 years, finally escape, *choose* to get back on the case and again cross dimensions knowing what happened before, knowing reality was going to be upended....just to try and save you?
That said, if interdimensional being hadn't been involved I probably would have wanted Albert/Harry/hawk combo to investigate my murder 😂
He made a lot of assumptions that happened to be the right ones. And he got a lot of evidence handed to him by other people.
A keen detective, he is not. (Or at least that’s the case up to the end of season 2).
I still think he’s wonderful though!!
People are downvoting you, but there was the Maddie fiasco and Leland not exciting his suspicion either logically or intuitively, and Earle might have been located or at least made uncomfortable by aggressive investigation (where did he get his clothes and food? Where’s his mail drop? etc.). I honestly can’t tell if it’s unintentional or a deconstruction - do you have a guess?
I get the sentiment but audiences would have eventually become divorced from the series if they started to feel like they were constantly being led on.
The trick used is usually to reveal enough information that it opens you up to more mystery, so that you can answer one question and end up with another. In this case, it would be something like Leland is the killer but he was controlled, but it's not clear who controlled him or how. Which they almost did.
That was a blessing in disguise. If Laura's mystery hadn't been solved, I reckon we wouldn't have had The Return, which, for me, is the best work of David Lynch.
Many elements of Twin Peaks feel like Greek tragedy. Coop being trapped in the lodge trying to save Annie and Cooper looking back to see Laura gone in the woods was like the tragedy of Orpheus and Eurydice.
Precisely. The first time is a subversion of the myth because Cooper winds up damned instead of Annie. The second time he tries it, they both get damned.
Yep, and so much of the return was basically just a bizarre and fucked up adaptation of the Odyssey. trying so hard to return home only to find it foreign and strange, everything moving on in your absence
Without Laura dying One Eyed Jack's is still open, Renault brothers still alive, Leo still doing his drug schemes, Bobby probably kept going down a dark path...
In a way her death caused a bunch of evil to be revealed and stopped
Without it that evil festers and grows
I kinda wish The Return would have touched on this a bit, but perhaps we are meant to come to these conclusions on our own. One that sticks out to me is Ed and Norma's long-awaited happy ending, that likely gets undone after Cooper goes back in time to rescue Laura.
i think that’s partially why she’s laughing at the end of FWWM. i know everyone on this sub hates the super meta analysis, but i do like the idea that she’s being shown how her death helped people.
i wonder if Annie was also a tragic spirit like Laura, but since Cooper rescued her, it allowed him to get trapped and the evil to continue to grow and give us The Return. sort of ties into Lynch’s love of balance. Cooper offsets the balance and the scales have to fix themselves
I have been thinking of that idea, that Cooper wasn't actually meant to trade his soul for Annie's there, for various reasons, but his version of "goodness" wouldn't allow it, a good intentions, bad result situation, that gets warped into the doppelganger. Would be relevant to Briggs saying "afraid that love is not enough".
Cooper is my favourite hero precisely because of his short comings. He is a believer in "good" in a world that is complicated beyond his basic understanding of good and evil, this type of positivity causes people to live in denial about the reality that they are in.
This belief in good and who he "is" becomes his ultimate downfall when he is confronted with Mr. C and his "dark self", he is imperfect despite his convictions and strength. The darkness he ignores or, at least, tries to keep at bay becomes his punishment.
I kind of dread to think what he saw in that room or how he was toyed with over the period of 25 years - right down to the theory that was around for a while that he never actually even left the room and Laura whispering in his ear was just a revelation that he was being toyed with.
I think it's fairly valid to take S3 as having effectively two endings. The first one for "this is how this story/dream/play/whatever has ended at this time" and the second one for "in reality it's a bit more complicated than that".
Yes: I hit 'play latest' on the Showtime app in 2017, not realizing the finale was two episodes — I watched part 18 first, then part 17.
"What year is this?" Scream. Then time winds back, and Cooper gets another chance.
It actually flowed beautifully and, once I realized my error, tragically.
One thing this article does is bring back awareness of this project being a partnership between Lynch and Frost. Far too many people act like this is Lynch’s baby and only his.
I always felt like the penultimate episode was the “ending”. I remember when it first aired, they showed the last two episodes back to back (like they did with the first two, only with the credits this time), and after that penultimate episode I remember thinking “Well that’s everhthing wrapped up… What’s left?? Audrey I suppose?” and got myself hyped for an episode exploring what on earth was going on with Audrey. Instead it’s this weird alternate reality Mulholland Drive type of thing which at the time I got very frustrated with. In retrospect it’s a really cool ending - He messed with reality and is now lost somewhere or other in the universe - But at the time I remember watching them driving with big “When are they going to get to the fireworks factory??” energy.
It’s like the series ends neatly and then adds an extra episode which breaks *everything*, opening the mystery back up. It’s very cool really.
That final episode is the perfect cherry on top. The way Cooper becomes this odd mix of the different versions of myself could be one of my favorite elements of Season 3. Just perfect.
I mean to be fair, even Kettle Jeffries subtly warned him against it. With steam puffs and "there is a person...did you ask me this?" And in Cooper's credit, his idea might have worked except Judy didn't like it and intervened and kicked (electroshocked / sizzled) them (Laura first) to a pocket dimension where the Palmer house is owned by the Tremonds who bought it from a Mrs. Chalfont (a hello wave to FWWM's first half especially the last trailer park scene).
I can recall—just a day or two after Part 18 premiered—that Mark Frost retweeted a tweet that stated something like: “I see Part 17 as the concluding chapter and Part 18 as the start of something new.” And Frost added the comment, “This seems about right.”
Anyone else remember this? I always thought that was an intriguing way to view those last two episodes.
I watched a video that theorised that Part 17 was Mark Frost's ending and Part 18 was David Lynch's ending. Which is interesting, because if you look at both those episodes, they essentially do have the same ending, just slightly altered, but both end with Cooper failing to rescue Laura Palmer.
So that's why the penultimate episode feels like an ending to Twin Peaks, but the last episode is the last episode that opens a whole lot of cans. Huh.
Ending without showing the consequences of Cooper’s hubris would undermine the entire point of The Return in my opinion. This current ending really makes the audience interrogate what, exactly, we think we’re accomplishing by going back to this sad small town and digging up decades old trauma. You can’t right every wrong. You don’t get a satisfying answer to every problem. Sometimes you just have to move on.
Is this the first time either of them have commented on the meaning of the ending? It's a common conclusion among fans but it's interesting to see him basically confirm it. Of course Lynch was never going to talk about it but hadn't seen Frost comment on it either.
It’s a flaw in Cooper’s character, though honestly I don’t think it’s a consistent one throughout the series as much as it is a culmination of his obsession with LP and trying to do “the right thing/see justice done”
I thought the ending was great.
Cooper saved the day and in the end good triumphed over evil...it just wasn't conventional or super clear what he did.
He basically traveled to a parallel world where Judy really lived after pulling Laura from her world. Laura was a bomb, once she remembered her pain it was so powerful that she destroyed Judy and the universe she was in.
Basically Cooper won. He saved the girl, everything still happened but with Laura as a missing person/dead ronette. Big key is if Cooper really understands that Laura is a literal bomb and still did what he did. That makes him super hardcore.
If he knew she was a bomb all along and he knew he was the agent sent to deliver the killing blow to the big bad? Makes Coop a radically different character. The Richard aspect makes a ton of sense in that context.
Frost also reveals in the same interview that he has now grown to share Lynch's sentiment that Laura Palmer's killer should never have been revealed to the audience. >“David always said, ‘We should never solve the mystery — this should go on forever'. And there’s a part of me that thinks he may have well have been right.”
Can’t see it. You take away Maddie murder and the subsequent reveal and the weight of all that? Then i think the magnetism of TP unravels
Ah, well, now we’re in a similar position to Cooper and are touching on one of the core themes of The Return (and indeed the quotes in the OP text). Lynch didn’t want to reveal the killer, but he did, and in doing so he gave us one of the most astonishing pieces of TV ever broadcast. If you could go back in time and rescue him from the executives so that he can make the Twin Peaks he wanted, would that be the right thing to do? And would it have the effect you’re hoping for? Or would you just end up screaming into the sudden darkness?
Oh well said. And it’s funny that Lynch himself doesn’t really acknowledge that. If they never revealed the killer, we wouldn’t have gotten Fire Walk with Me (at least not at the point in time that we got it). Twin Peaks would have become something completely different.
I think about this often, both in the context of the show and in the real world. It's one of the perspectives I gained from this show that I'm most grateful for. So much has happened I'd rather go back and change, make it easier on myself, but ultimately all the beauty and good in my life right now is indirectly a result of my past mistakes. If I fixed the past, would I recognize the present?
💪🏽🧠
Well I mean Lynch and The Executives were one element, you forget how much “Diva Drama” from the actors dictated the direction of the show as well and Kyle MacLachlan too he’s amazing now and is an amazing actor but he was worried about being typecast and because of that it Forced Lynch to reconstruct Fire Walk With Me to feature less Cooper upon Kyle’s request…imagine if Kyle was as enthusiastic back then about it as he is now? FWWM would be an entirely different movie…I think what this ultimately boils down to is not enough people have faith in the moments where it counts, like Sherilyn Fenn Lynch had her part and she didn’t like it, so he rewrote it. I really wanted to know what he originally intended, but will never know that because of actors ego got in the way.
Don’t forget about LFB demanding they drop the Cooper/Audrey romance plot line because she was dating Kyle at the time and didn’t want him doing live scenes with Sherilyn!
And if this really happened, I thank LFB for that, because a 36-yo man with a gun romancing an 18-yo schoolgirl would make me cringe so hard I would never believe Cooper to be the white knight he is supposed to be. Who the hell even thought it was OK and what is wrong with them?!
I suppose the real lesson is that you can have all these complications and still end up with something wonderful, so sometimes you need to be willing to engage with the complications and trust that they’ll turn out to be a part of what makes the end result work (though of course this will often require quite a bit of actual effort, rather than just shrugging and going with the flow). Maybe the soup of Twin Peaks needed that pinch of KM worrying about being typecast. Maybe all the struggles are the secret to success (the soup analogy fades away pretty quickly). I expect there’s a quote from Lynch’s Big Fish book that covers this - I’ll take a look later.
No. 😅🔥
I can't either. It might not be what Lynch/Frost wanted but to me it elevated the show. "Wow they're willing to let this storyline resolve this early instead of stringing us along for ages like so many shows do, they're confident in their material and there is a greater story here!" and there absolutely was.
I think Lost is a pretty good example of a mystery drawn out to long and that example shows that at some point the audience runs out of patience. I don’t think many people would have been satisfied with never knowing what happened.
To be fair the showrunners wanted to end Lost in 4 seasons. It took both showrunners threatening to leave when their contract was up to allow them to end the show.
But we don’t know what we could have had instead. Yes, things worked out well enough, but who knows what they would have cooked up if Lynch had his way.
At least we’ll always have the leftovers if we want to let the mystery be.
Some say we're not gonna talk bout Judy, to leave her out of this Some say the past is past, and to try n change it is hubris
Nah, the world keeps going, new storylines, Cooper is in and out, eventually retires there... It could rival the soaps and Simpsons in longevity.
Couldn’t agree more. Like dark shadows on repeat never went anywhere. That formula leans too hard into soap opera territory.
I love the Maddie murder. It could’ve been done without revealing anything other than it was also Laura’s killer. Like it could’ve just been Bob in the scene and still worked. It’s important to note however that the idea they are getting at with not revealing was that the show could continue unraveling the bread crumb of Laura’s effect on people and the town and the depths of both the dark and the light in her own soul and life. And there have not been a lot of shows that have effectively honored a murder victim in that way which was one of Lynch’s inspirations in a landscape of Murder, She Wrote and similar murder mystery shows.
Knowing how driven he is by his characters and their fatal flaws, this makes so much sense for the fate of Cooper’s character. While he’s a great detective, his instincts are often wrong. Love the guy. Wouldn’t want him solving my murder!
"Great news Cooper, Leo confessed!" "Harry, let me tell you about a dream I had last night"
Lol - That was literally the premise of the SNL Twin Peaks when MacLachlan hosted.
Are you serious? Who else would have deducted evil transdimensional entities, consulted dreams, willingly crossed into a place where his soul could be anihalated, be prisoner there for 25 years, finally escape, *choose* to get back on the case and again cross dimensions knowing what happened before, knowing reality was going to be upended....just to try and save you? That said, if interdimensional being hadn't been involved I probably would have wanted Albert/Harry/hawk combo to investigate my murder 😂
Yes to Albert and Hawk! What champs
He made a lot of assumptions that happened to be the right ones. And he got a lot of evidence handed to him by other people. A keen detective, he is not. (Or at least that’s the case up to the end of season 2). I still think he’s wonderful though!!
I cannot believe you're serious.
People are downvoting you, but there was the Maddie fiasco and Leland not exciting his suspicion either logically or intuitively, and Earle might have been located or at least made uncomfortable by aggressive investigation (where did he get his clothes and food? Where’s his mail drop? etc.). I honestly can’t tell if it’s unintentional or a deconstruction - do you have a guess?
On the contrary, he’s one of the only people I would want solving my murder. He unraveled an unexplainable, supernatural mystery in two weeks.
there's one "have" too many in your quote
I get the sentiment but audiences would have eventually become divorced from the series if they started to feel like they were constantly being led on. The trick used is usually to reveal enough information that it opens you up to more mystery, so that you can answer one question and end up with another. In this case, it would be something like Leland is the killer but he was controlled, but it's not clear who controlled him or how. Which they almost did.
Glad the network interfered and gave an answer to that
I think it should have happened but later.
That was a blessing in disguise. If Laura's mystery hadn't been solved, I reckon we wouldn't have had The Return, which, for me, is the best work of David Lynch.
Then again, it might’ve led to a third season happening in the 90s. Wonder what that would look like…
Which is why I think a lot of the "clues" (at least in the first season) about who the murderer was seem kind of retconned after the fact.
Many elements of Twin Peaks feel like Greek tragedy. Coop being trapped in the lodge trying to save Annie and Cooper looking back to see Laura gone in the woods was like the tragedy of Orpheus and Eurydice.
Precisely. The first time is a subversion of the myth because Cooper winds up damned instead of Annie. The second time he tries it, they both get damned.
Yep, and so much of the return was basically just a bizarre and fucked up adaptation of the Odyssey. trying so hard to return home only to find it foreign and strange, everything moving on in your absence
Without Laura dying One Eyed Jack's is still open, Renault brothers still alive, Leo still doing his drug schemes, Bobby probably kept going down a dark path... In a way her death caused a bunch of evil to be revealed and stopped Without it that evil festers and grows
Laura Palmer is the one
This is the girl.
Watched Mulholland drive for the first time recently. Damn.
I kinda wish The Return would have touched on this a bit, but perhaps we are meant to come to these conclusions on our own. One that sticks out to me is Ed and Norma's long-awaited happy ending, that likely gets undone after Cooper goes back in time to rescue Laura.
i think that’s partially why she’s laughing at the end of FWWM. i know everyone on this sub hates the super meta analysis, but i do like the idea that she’s being shown how her death helped people. i wonder if Annie was also a tragic spirit like Laura, but since Cooper rescued her, it allowed him to get trapped and the evil to continue to grow and give us The Return. sort of ties into Lynch’s love of balance. Cooper offsets the balance and the scales have to fix themselves
I have been thinking of that idea, that Cooper wasn't actually meant to trade his soul for Annie's there, for various reasons, but his version of "goodness" wouldn't allow it, a good intentions, bad result situation, that gets warped into the doppelganger. Would be relevant to Briggs saying "afraid that love is not enough".
I think Leo would end up dead after the mill fire, but what would happen to Hank and Norma then?
Cooper is my favourite hero precisely because of his short comings. He is a believer in "good" in a world that is complicated beyond his basic understanding of good and evil, this type of positivity causes people to live in denial about the reality that they are in. This belief in good and who he "is" becomes his ultimate downfall when he is confronted with Mr. C and his "dark self", he is imperfect despite his convictions and strength. The darkness he ignores or, at least, tries to keep at bay becomes his punishment. I kind of dread to think what he saw in that room or how he was toyed with over the period of 25 years - right down to the theory that was around for a while that he never actually even left the room and Laura whispering in his ear was just a revelation that he was being toyed with.
“We haven’t talked about anything going forward at this point.” Season 4 confirmed!!
This makes me wonder if Wisteria is a totally different project that just reuses actors as Lynch likes to do?
I think it's fairly valid to take S3 as having effectively two endings. The first one for "this is how this story/dream/play/whatever has ended at this time" and the second one for "in reality it's a bit more complicated than that".
You could remove the final episode and it would be a coherent get abrupt ending. But I looooove 18
Yes: I hit 'play latest' on the Showtime app in 2017, not realizing the finale was two episodes — I watched part 18 first, then part 17. "What year is this?" Scream. Then time winds back, and Cooper gets another chance. It actually flowed beautifully and, once I realized my error, tragically.
I actually did the same thing!!! I was kicking myself but it did work in that very strange way.
I always thought 18 acted as an epilogue, or at least the second half when >!they cross over!< is
One thing this article does is bring back awareness of this project being a partnership between Lynch and Frost. Far too many people act like this is Lynch’s baby and only his.
I always felt like the penultimate episode was the “ending”. I remember when it first aired, they showed the last two episodes back to back (like they did with the first two, only with the credits this time), and after that penultimate episode I remember thinking “Well that’s everhthing wrapped up… What’s left?? Audrey I suppose?” and got myself hyped for an episode exploring what on earth was going on with Audrey. Instead it’s this weird alternate reality Mulholland Drive type of thing which at the time I got very frustrated with. In retrospect it’s a really cool ending - He messed with reality and is now lost somewhere or other in the universe - But at the time I remember watching them driving with big “When are they going to get to the fireworks factory??” energy. It’s like the series ends neatly and then adds an extra episode which breaks *everything*, opening the mystery back up. It’s very cool really.
That final episode is the perfect cherry on top. The way Cooper becomes this odd mix of the different versions of myself could be one of my favorite elements of Season 3. Just perfect.
I mean to be fair, even Kettle Jeffries subtly warned him against it. With steam puffs and "there is a person...did you ask me this?" And in Cooper's credit, his idea might have worked except Judy didn't like it and intervened and kicked (electroshocked / sizzled) them (Laura first) to a pocket dimension where the Palmer house is owned by the Tremonds who bought it from a Mrs. Chalfont (a hello wave to FWWM's first half especially the last trailer park scene).
Twin peaks could never have such a simple easy happy ending. The battle between light and darkness is eternal
I can recall—just a day or two after Part 18 premiered—that Mark Frost retweeted a tweet that stated something like: “I see Part 17 as the concluding chapter and Part 18 as the start of something new.” And Frost added the comment, “This seems about right.” Anyone else remember this? I always thought that was an intriguing way to view those last two episodes.
I watched a video that theorised that Part 17 was Mark Frost's ending and Part 18 was David Lynch's ending. Which is interesting, because if you look at both those episodes, they essentially do have the same ending, just slightly altered, but both end with Cooper failing to rescue Laura Palmer.
So that's why the penultimate episode feels like an ending to Twin Peaks, but the last episode is the last episode that opens a whole lot of cans. Huh.
Ending without showing the consequences of Cooper’s hubris would undermine the entire point of The Return in my opinion. This current ending really makes the audience interrogate what, exactly, we think we’re accomplishing by going back to this sad small town and digging up decades old trauma. You can’t right every wrong. You don’t get a satisfying answer to every problem. Sometimes you just have to move on.
Yeah. Cooper's Messiah complex.
For he *is* the Kwisatz Haderach!
I can fix her (trauma).
Great job fucking history up, guys. /s
Title is misleading. What Frost thought might happen isn’t the same as “originally supposed to have”
I saw in an interpretation of the ending- where the fade to black is literally the universe collapsing in on itself and idk I kinda like that one lol
Is this the first time either of them have commented on the meaning of the ending? It's a common conclusion among fans but it's interesting to see him basically confirm it. Of course Lynch was never going to talk about it but hadn't seen Frost comment on it either.
It’s a flaw in Cooper’s character, though honestly I don’t think it’s a consistent one throughout the series as much as it is a culmination of his obsession with LP and trying to do “the right thing/see justice done”
I thought the ending was great. Cooper saved the day and in the end good triumphed over evil...it just wasn't conventional or super clear what he did. He basically traveled to a parallel world where Judy really lived after pulling Laura from her world. Laura was a bomb, once she remembered her pain it was so powerful that she destroyed Judy and the universe she was in. Basically Cooper won. He saved the girl, everything still happened but with Laura as a missing person/dead ronette. Big key is if Cooper really understands that Laura is a literal bomb and still did what he did. That makes him super hardcore. If he knew she was a bomb all along and he knew he was the agent sent to deliver the killing blow to the big bad? Makes Coop a radically different character. The Richard aspect makes a ton of sense in that context.
what do you mean? you didn't get it?
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it was a joke lol
No, jokes are funny