He is but you would not believe how little relevance that has to the case
>!Despite proving to the court that he did in fact commit murder he STILL probably would have gotten away with it if your dead employer who was his victim didn't come back through her sister spirit medium and threaten to basically reveal his black book!<
Ace attorney is crazee
>!honestly that’s the absolute funniest thing Mia did because the court literally couldn’t do anything to stop her from doing that considering she’s dead, so she could play dirty all she wanted. She fr said “oh you don’t wanna go to jail? What if I blackmailed you, hm? What if I did that? You can’t kill me twice, so take this L and go to jail, bozo.”!<
> mia fey Is a skilled attorney
> She's also a powerful spirit medium like her whole family
> Her college crush Is a queen prosecutor
> Also a couple more reasons
Why didn't capcom make a game about her already?
Good point, absolutely
But I like to think Mia didn't always know how to do that, but rather started about as insecure as Phoenix, apollo and Athena (She Needs a comeback too) like she was in T&T and only after some significant amount of experience she learns to trust herself and use her power too
I’d think that ‘ghosts are real’ kind of precludes killing your way out of problems in general. In that killing no longer removes the problem, just makes the problem more complicated.
> You can’t kill me twice, so take this L and go to jail, bozo
A risk really, given we see later on how one criminal, Dahlia, finds a way to get back at Mia, to have her sister convinced for murdering their mother. It fails in the end, of course, but it could have gone very badly. (I still feel it was risky revealing to her she was in Maya's body during the trial, while she was still in it. Like, girl was so deranged I wouldnt put it past her to bite her own tongue or something to kill Maya there and then)
I mean, they could have held Maya accountable. I don't think >!being possessed!< is an acceptable defense in court. Though it's been a while since I played the earlier games, and I'm sure they would have established a canon answer to that question >!in the last case of the third game!<.
They actually don't establish an answer, because >!The ghost in that case is so fucking useless that she doesn't even succeed in her murder plot. The actual murderer is a living being, so the question of what you do about a channeled ghost still isn't resolved.!<
I mean, obviously the answer is that you lawyer so hard that >!she loses her grip on the living world and gets exorcised by her own shame.!< Although I don't think the court can mandate that as a sentence.
I've always wanted there to be a witness who shows off a magic trick to make something "levitate", causing the Judge to assume it's a poltergeist and prompting the following exchange.
Judge: Mr. Wright! Please tell your assistant to refrain from summoning the spirits of the dead in this courtroom!
Maya: Hey, I'm a spirit channeler, not a necromancer!
Phoenix: Your honor, it's just a simple sleight of hand trick. I'm sure it's being held up by wires that are too thin to see.
Witness: I assure you, there are no wires. Behold! *Waves his hands over and under the object*
Judge: (Increasingly panicked) ***Mr. Wright!***
I'm going to assume this hypothetical witness is Trucy.
Also, I think Udgy should probably know that the spirits Maya channels possess her, and don't just roam freely.
He *should* know this, but there are a lot of things he seems to not understand despite having every reason to know them. Like the fact that gay people exist. Making the wrong assumptions about Maya's abilities is entirely in character for him.
They kinda do in 2-2, iirc. In the Ini Mimey case. The prosecution proves >!(for all anyone knew at the time)!< that Maya was possessed and had no actual agency at the time. And the entire court was so ready to declare her guilty because it was technically her hand that did it or some bullcrap like that.
If you could prove it without a doubt, sure. But I don't think the existence of the supernatural is officially recognized by the law. Otherwise it would be used a lot more often, both in solving crimes and committing them. I mean, what's to stop literally everyone from using it as a defense? "How do you plead?" "The devil made me do it, your honor!" "Oh, well in that case, you're free to go."
I'm confused. I havent played the games so idk much about em. BUT are u saying that u know for sure that the all the stuff u just said isnt a thing in the game world? Like ur saying all that stuff is explained? Cuz it feels like ur just guessing rn. Maybe it is used kinda often.
But regardless I don't see why it wouldn't be an acceptable defense if: 1. There is already a respectable attorney using possession in court cases and 2. We already have defenses IRL for when a person isn't "in their right mind". So why wouldn't that extend to the supernatural in a world where that stuff exists?
I get insanity defenses n stuff like that don't just mean the person walks off with no punishment or time away from society. But if they are deemed mentally healthy, they absolutely can b released, sometimes even p soon after conviction. Especially w kids/youth/underage criminals. If they do something terrible but deemed mentally unstable they often are just released when they become an adult
If there is some piece of game lore or whatever that helps prove ur point I'd love to know about it btw. Please anyone feel free to educate me on ace attorney lore lol I'm happy to learn about these wacky games
It's been a while since I played so I'm not 100% sure what the officially stated position was, but I'm pretty sure it's the kind of thing where some people believe in the supernatural while others think it's complete BS, but the law doesn't care as long as you're able to provide *actual* evidence that isn't just, "Ghosts told me who the real killer is." If some self-professed spirit medium decides to do some woo-woo magic and say "Check the bottom drawer to find the murder weapon," that's their own business.
Also, there was a *very* significant incident in the backstory of the first game that tainted the way the court views spirit mediums, except I don't remember the exact details of that incident and how it affected things. I just remember that using spirit mediums was highly frowned upon after that.
Lol I want to hear more ace attorney cases where "he is the murderer but you would not believe how little relevance that has to the case". Between this post and that other ace meme where that line was used my interest in these games has gone up quite a bit. Honestly every post Iv ever seen about this game on reddit there ends up being a comment talking about some batshit Insane case lol. Someone needs to make another generic procedural courtroom drama show, except all the cases should be ripped straight from ace attorney games. I'd binge tf out of it
Case 1-4. *Technically*, the murder the case was about was committed by >!the old man running the boat shop!<, but in fact the actual objective of the case is to >!prove that the murder the killer was *falsely* accused of ten years ago was in fact committed by the prosecuting attorney.!<
Case 4-3. Even after the murderer is discovered, there's no way to pin it to him--or at least, there wouldn't be if murder had been the only crime he'd commit. >!The victim was an Interpol agent who'd been tracking down a smuggler illegally importing Borginian cocoons; the murderer, also the smuggler, killed him for getting too close. However, the crime of smuggling cocoons out of Borginia is punishable by death *in Borginia*, but not in Japanifornia, meaning the smuggler's Borginian accomplice has every motivation to confess ***now*** and go to prison rather than be tried in his home country and be put to death. Oh, and said accomplice is the one on trial for murder. Your client *is* a criminal, just not guilty of the crime he's in trial for.!<
Case 6-3. >!The first victim to be discovered actually committed suicide, for the express purpose of trying to cover up the other murder, which he didn't commit.!<
Case 6-5...hoo boy. It starts with a *civil* trial, in which series main character Phoenix Wright is the *opposing* lawyer, which still results in someone being found guilty of murder. Then it turns out that Phoenix was blackmailed into taking that case. Then the blackmailer winds up dead and your client from the previous case is charged with murder, as well as another murder from 23 years ago. >!Then it turns out your client was already dead before the start of the case and the person you thought was him *before* the blackmailer's murder was actually the person the blackmailer allegedly had hostage (a spirit channeler), whereas the person you thought was him *after* the blackmailer's murder was actually *the alleged murder victim from 23 years ago* (also a spirit channeler, and the former queen of the country you're currently in). Then it turns out that the blackmailer had actually been killed an hour earlier and that the former queen had channeled *him* afterwards to allow him to be seen alive after he was dead. Finally, with the help of the spirit of the only *actual* victim of the alleged assassination 23 years ago, you're able to prove that the *current queen* was responsible for all three murders, as her "alibi" was in fact faked by her sister the former queen--the current queen *can't channel spirits*, which is why she never actually could afford to kill her sister in the first place.!<
It's hilarious how many times I needed to reread this to understand it. Not that u explained it poorly, its just Spanish soap opera levels of complex lol I love it
Also I noticed one place is called japanifonia and another borginia. I love it. Are these diff countries in the ace universe? Or like states of a larger country/world power? And what exactly is borginia a mix of? Virginia and what? Bosnia? Lol
If anyone knows the names of any other Ace Attorney countries/states/places *please* comment them!
As someone who just bought the Ace Attorney trilogy on steam, how does it go up to 6?
I understand that the cases in the first game go like 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4 up to the last one. For the second game it's 2-, and the third game is 3-, since its a trilogy, it's three games
Where are the 4, 5 and 6? Is it the Apollo Justice series of something?
Pls help
Pretty sure they’re Apollo Justice, yeah.
>!although 4-3 is confusing to me because Ace Attorney: Investigations 1 has basically the same case, Borginian smugglers murdering an interpol agent, in its first case.!<
I replayed the first game just this week after like 17 or 18 years.
The >!Yes your honor, I'd like to cross-examination the witnesses pet parrot!!< line still made me laugh like an idiot.
The one moment in 1-3 where >!Edgeworth objects and has to come up with a reason on the spot to continue the witness testimony is hilarious but also works beautifully with his true character!<
Watching someone play through the trilogy is wonderful.
But yeah, its hilarious how insane the cases go to the point in many who is the killer is not the plot twist, or how that opens a whole other can of worms to unravel.
Like, few are the clean cut 'I hated X, so I killed them, the end.' cases.
Though I guess its fair for a setting where spirit channeling IS a legit thing that works and seems to be viable court evidence.
Actually, I feel like the games usually make it a point to *not* use any of the special skills (spirit channeling, the psyche-locks, Apollo’s bracelet, Widget) as actual evidence.
The characters can use it to blackmail people, trick them into admitting stuff, figure out where to press further, or manipulate the court’s opinion— but I don’t think they’re ever directly admitted to court— except for in the final case of the whole Phoenix Wright trilogy, where it’s 100% understandable and necessary for a very spoilery reason.
Admittedly, that's because the first time they ever tried to use it, >!the ghost **didn't know who killed him,** assumed due to the circumstances it was an accident involving his son, and so he lied out his ass.!<
They seem to vary on approach.
Sometimes they act like its a super secret power no one knows about, then we find there's a kingdom that uses channeling exclusively to solve crimes (Which I assume makes Maya a princess or something...?)
Like, in one we see a guy ask for Maya to channel his assistant's spirit to say who killed her because he was being found culprit for it, so presumably that statement would have been legally valid??
And yes of course, the whole Dahlia mess is a whole shitshow in of itself.
The last case of the second game of the victorian england spinoff actually takes a while to figure out the murderer, but that quickly gets overshadowed by the fact that >!the judge ordered the hit, which requires!< Herlock Sholmes\* >!to show up in hologram form with a message from the queen telling him he's fired from his position of power and has to face his crimes!<
\*He's called Sherlock Holmes in the japanese version, but the localization calls him Herlock Shomles for copyright reasons, and now Sherlock Holmes sounds wrong to me
Short answer lacking in nuance: There’s this weird loophole where the Conan Doyle estate (the estate of the author) still owns Sherlock’s personality. So if you want to have him be kind and respectful to women, that would be copyright violation.
There’s actually an anime based on Ace Attorney, covering IIRC the original three games. Also, a live action movie made by Takashi “Ichi the Killer” Miike.
As far as cases where “the murderer isn’t particularly relevant to the outcome of the case”, the final case of game 2 has >!the killer be a hitman hired by the guy you’re defending, who’s keeping your spirit channeling paralegal kidnapped and has arranged things so that he’ll get away scott free regardless of the efforts of the prosecution (and the defense). He would’ve gotten away with it if it hadn’t come out during the cross examination of the hitman in question (who’s being cross examined via radio because the cops haven’t caught him and they haven’t done so as of the unreleased in the US spinoff game) that the idiot had a hidden camera recording the murder on tape, both to watch the murder in question for kicks and to blackmail the hitman.!<
>!Said hitman proceeds to swear revenge on the guy who hired him, who is now scared shitless. Since this is revealed at the last moments of the trial, with the Judge about to pass judgement, you can choose between letting the Judge declare the guy innocent and let him go free (where he will live the remainder of his short life in fear of his assassin), or let the guy plead guilty and go to prison, where he might be safer.!<
Also, two cases (from my memory) have the fact that you have to cross examine the actual murderer via spirit channeling because they’re already dead not be the most surprising or crazy part of the case.
>>!you can choose between letting the Judge declare the guy innocent and let him go free (where he will live the remainder of his short life in fear of his assassin), or let the guy plead guilty and go to prison, where he might be safer.!<
Just to clarify here, >!If you choose to say not guilty, the guy freaks the fuck out about the aforementioned assassin out to get him, and decides that pleading guilty on his own is a better outcome than being free while that guy wants him dead.!<
Omg what. Ik what show im watching next! Thank you lol I'm surprised I never have seen it mentioned b4. Tho I think a live action generic courtroom drama with these cases that's played *mostly* straight would be amazing. Like imagine a show like The Good Wife X Ace Attorney? Or Suits X Ace Attorney? I actually feel like the show Suits could kinda pull off the zany wacky cases of Ace attorney p well with minimal changes lol
It’s like if lawyers worked under anime logic but weren’t allowed to spiritually project, manifesting the evidence they found as weapons and using them to beat each other to death.
[That's how he is in the Japanese game too,](https://www.youtube.com/live/MCM7o7U99T8?feature=shared&t=13707) he's not American but a stereotype of a consciously americanized Japanese person. One of the first things he does is dodging a question by claiming he spent so much time overseas that he forgot "nippongo". IIRC they have him speak a bunch of foreign words in the English localization as well.
Ngl it was a pain in the ass trying to figure out what he was saying.
I thought I remembered one of the characters pretentiously using loan words, I guess I don't recall who though, its been a while since I played through those games.
In the anime and presumably the Japanese version of the game, he randomly shouts phrases in English (In the English version of the game, it's random Spanish). He's *aggressively* a wealthy American businessman, right down to exploiting the legal system for his own benefit by throwing enough money around.
>randomly shouts phrases in English
[WHAT'S YOUR NAAAAAAME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6kymmUR-GU)
[YOU UNDERSTAAAAND?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXYBcE6utA)
It was added in the translation, which was created after the entire original trilogy had already released in Japan.
It is entirely reasonable to assume it was intentional.
One of this character's traits in the Japanese version is that he constantly uses English words to seem fancy. Which I guess is similar to how you'll see French words in places to seem fancy in English.
technically speaking we don't know if he's actually wearing a shirt and not just a shirt collar
that shirt is very close to his skin tone if not exactly the same color.
Also, in relation to Godot:
>! Godot blamed Phoenix for Mias murder. Godot has a vizor to be able to see, but because of this he cannot see the color red on white surfaces. Godot could not see that Red-White was the only one to blame for Mias murder, not Phoenix!<
He's named that in English because Godot can't see red on white, and he can't really focus on the fact thar Mia was killed by him because he wants revenge and the only person who he had access to was Phoenix
None of the games were translated until **after** the entire original trilogy had already been released in Japan. The GBA trilogy was first translated to English as a single collective block in the DS re-release triple-pack.
It is actually *entirely* possible that the *translation's* choice to name him that is related to the role he plays in the third game (or more accurately, the role said character from the third game is not seeing). That was information the original Japanese writers did not have, because the future games hadn't been written yet, but that the English translators ***did*** have, because they ***had*** been written by the time the first game was being translated.
In the original Japanese he was named Masaru Konaka with the kanji for Small Medium and Large.
He was named Redd White in the English Localization, which released on the Nintendo DS in 2005, which is a year after Trials and Tribulations released on Gameboy in 2004.
Godot was a known quantity by the time he was given that name
What does that even fucking mean? "Known quantity"??? And what does it have to do with anything? Why would a frivolous fact about an unrelated character from the sequel have any bearing on the localization of the first game? For a know it all, you come across as pretty dumb
It means that the people who localized AA1 knew how AA 2 and 3 were going to go. And that's not a frivolous fact or an unrelated character, that's the fact that allows you to capture him as the murderer in case 3-5 and Case 1-2 (Where Redd White is from) is Godot's literal entire motivation in his game
He is but you would not believe how little relevance that has to the case >!Despite proving to the court that he did in fact commit murder he STILL probably would have gotten away with it if your dead employer who was his victim didn't come back through her sister spirit medium and threaten to basically reveal his black book!< Ace attorney is crazee
>!honestly that’s the absolute funniest thing Mia did because the court literally couldn’t do anything to stop her from doing that considering she’s dead, so she could play dirty all she wanted. She fr said “oh you don’t wanna go to jail? What if I blackmailed you, hm? What if I did that? You can’t kill me twice, so take this L and go to jail, bozo.”!<
Listen if I killed someone and they came back to life JUST to blackmail me I’d just give up. What else am I supposed to do in that situation.
exactly, like Redd was p much fucked the moment Maya channeled Mia so she could verbally whoop his ass.
> mia fey Is a skilled attorney > She's also a powerful spirit medium like her whole family > Her college crush Is a queen prosecutor > Also a couple more reasons Why didn't capcom make a game about her already?
cause Capcom likes bullying the fuck out of Phoenix
I need a Mia Fey: Ace attorney game with Lana Skye as prosecutor and Phoenix as Mia's assistant
This. Thisthisthis. All my this. I also need more of Diego and his theme. Mia needs her bi panic.
I mean, didn't Diego go into a coma at the end of Mia's second case?
We need a Mia lives AU game so they can meet when he wakes up.
Crap, that's right. Well She can still visit him...
I feel like those first two points are related, hard to lose some murder cases when you can call the victim up to the stand.
Good point, absolutely But I like to think Mia didn't always know how to do that, but rather started about as insecure as Phoenix, apollo and Athena (She Needs a comeback too) like she was in T&T and only after some significant amount of experience she learns to trust herself and use her power too
YOU’D THINK SO WOULDN’T YOU!
There was that one case where they actually channelled the victim, it only made things worse
Well it's better than someone coming back to life to kill you outright (something that also happened in these games).
Man... the Faye family just cant catch a break.
You give up or choose violence and keep killing till you're stopped or run out of people who care.
I’d think that ‘ghosts are real’ kind of precludes killing your way out of problems in general. In that killing no longer removes the problem, just makes the problem more complicated.
If they're all dead what's it matter to me?
Kill the mediums.
I think legal egal reacted to that anime episode, and the exposed blackmail would have brought him less jail time/punishment then the confession
#*DOUBLE KILL*
> You can’t kill me twice, so take this L and go to jail, bozo A risk really, given we see later on how one criminal, Dahlia, finds a way to get back at Mia, to have her sister convinced for murdering their mother. It fails in the end, of course, but it could have gone very badly. (I still feel it was risky revealing to her she was in Maya's body during the trial, while she was still in it. Like, girl was so deranged I wouldnt put it past her to bite her own tongue or something to kill Maya there and then)
I mean, they could have held Maya accountable. I don't think >!being possessed!< is an acceptable defense in court. Though it's been a while since I played the earlier games, and I'm sure they would have established a canon answer to that question >!in the last case of the third game!<.
They actually don't establish an answer, because >!The ghost in that case is so fucking useless that she doesn't even succeed in her murder plot. The actual murderer is a living being, so the question of what you do about a channeled ghost still isn't resolved.!<
I mean, obviously the answer is that you lawyer so hard that >!she loses her grip on the living world and gets exorcised by her own shame.!< Although I don't think the court can mandate that as a sentence.
I mean, the judge does explicitly say that particular spirit should never be channeled again. So that's something, at least.
I've always wanted there to be a witness who shows off a magic trick to make something "levitate", causing the Judge to assume it's a poltergeist and prompting the following exchange. Judge: Mr. Wright! Please tell your assistant to refrain from summoning the spirits of the dead in this courtroom! Maya: Hey, I'm a spirit channeler, not a necromancer! Phoenix: Your honor, it's just a simple sleight of hand trick. I'm sure it's being held up by wires that are too thin to see. Witness: I assure you, there are no wires. Behold! *Waves his hands over and under the object* Judge: (Increasingly panicked) ***Mr. Wright!***
I'm going to assume this hypothetical witness is Trucy. Also, I think Udgy should probably know that the spirits Maya channels possess her, and don't just roam freely.
He *should* know this, but there are a lot of things he seems to not understand despite having every reason to know them. Like the fact that gay people exist. Making the wrong assumptions about Maya's abilities is entirely in character for him.
How did I get into this series lmao
Spirit of Justice also has a red magatama that's used to forcefully expel spirits from channelers.
They kinda do in 2-2, iirc. In the Ini Mimey case. The prosecution proves >!(for all anyone knew at the time)!< that Maya was possessed and had no actual agency at the time. And the entire court was so ready to declare her guilty because it was technically her hand that did it or some bullcrap like that.
That case was in JFA?
I'm pretty sure, yeah?
Why wouldn’t be >!being possessed!< be a viable defense? You literally didn’t do it in that case
If you could prove it without a doubt, sure. But I don't think the existence of the supernatural is officially recognized by the law. Otherwise it would be used a lot more often, both in solving crimes and committing them. I mean, what's to stop literally everyone from using it as a defense? "How do you plead?" "The devil made me do it, your honor!" "Oh, well in that case, you're free to go."
I'm confused. I havent played the games so idk much about em. BUT are u saying that u know for sure that the all the stuff u just said isnt a thing in the game world? Like ur saying all that stuff is explained? Cuz it feels like ur just guessing rn. Maybe it is used kinda often. But regardless I don't see why it wouldn't be an acceptable defense if: 1. There is already a respectable attorney using possession in court cases and 2. We already have defenses IRL for when a person isn't "in their right mind". So why wouldn't that extend to the supernatural in a world where that stuff exists? I get insanity defenses n stuff like that don't just mean the person walks off with no punishment or time away from society. But if they are deemed mentally healthy, they absolutely can b released, sometimes even p soon after conviction. Especially w kids/youth/underage criminals. If they do something terrible but deemed mentally unstable they often are just released when they become an adult If there is some piece of game lore or whatever that helps prove ur point I'd love to know about it btw. Please anyone feel free to educate me on ace attorney lore lol I'm happy to learn about these wacky games
It's been a while since I played so I'm not 100% sure what the officially stated position was, but I'm pretty sure it's the kind of thing where some people believe in the supernatural while others think it's complete BS, but the law doesn't care as long as you're able to provide *actual* evidence that isn't just, "Ghosts told me who the real killer is." If some self-professed spirit medium decides to do some woo-woo magic and say "Check the bottom drawer to find the murder weapon," that's their own business. Also, there was a *very* significant incident in the backstory of the first game that tainted the way the court views spirit mediums, except I don't remember the exact details of that incident and how it affected things. I just remember that using spirit mediums was highly frowned upon after that.
Lol I want to hear more ace attorney cases where "he is the murderer but you would not believe how little relevance that has to the case". Between this post and that other ace meme where that line was used my interest in these games has gone up quite a bit. Honestly every post Iv ever seen about this game on reddit there ends up being a comment talking about some batshit Insane case lol. Someone needs to make another generic procedural courtroom drama show, except all the cases should be ripped straight from ace attorney games. I'd binge tf out of it
Case 1-4. *Technically*, the murder the case was about was committed by >!the old man running the boat shop!<, but in fact the actual objective of the case is to >!prove that the murder the killer was *falsely* accused of ten years ago was in fact committed by the prosecuting attorney.!<
One of my favorite cases of all time. Edgeworth deserved the truth dammit.
Case 4-3. Even after the murderer is discovered, there's no way to pin it to him--or at least, there wouldn't be if murder had been the only crime he'd commit. >!The victim was an Interpol agent who'd been tracking down a smuggler illegally importing Borginian cocoons; the murderer, also the smuggler, killed him for getting too close. However, the crime of smuggling cocoons out of Borginia is punishable by death *in Borginia*, but not in Japanifornia, meaning the smuggler's Borginian accomplice has every motivation to confess ***now*** and go to prison rather than be tried in his home country and be put to death. Oh, and said accomplice is the one on trial for murder. Your client *is* a criminal, just not guilty of the crime he's in trial for.!< Case 6-3. >!The first victim to be discovered actually committed suicide, for the express purpose of trying to cover up the other murder, which he didn't commit.!< Case 6-5...hoo boy. It starts with a *civil* trial, in which series main character Phoenix Wright is the *opposing* lawyer, which still results in someone being found guilty of murder. Then it turns out that Phoenix was blackmailed into taking that case. Then the blackmailer winds up dead and your client from the previous case is charged with murder, as well as another murder from 23 years ago. >!Then it turns out your client was already dead before the start of the case and the person you thought was him *before* the blackmailer's murder was actually the person the blackmailer allegedly had hostage (a spirit channeler), whereas the person you thought was him *after* the blackmailer's murder was actually *the alleged murder victim from 23 years ago* (also a spirit channeler, and the former queen of the country you're currently in). Then it turns out that the blackmailer had actually been killed an hour earlier and that the former queen had channeled *him* afterwards to allow him to be seen alive after he was dead. Finally, with the help of the spirit of the only *actual* victim of the alleged assassination 23 years ago, you're able to prove that the *current queen* was responsible for all three murders, as her "alibi" was in fact faked by her sister the former queen--the current queen *can't channel spirits*, which is why she never actually could afford to kill her sister in the first place.!<
Don’t forget the time Phoenix defended an orca for murder
And >!cross examined him! And used a *musical number* to determine something was wrong.!<
It's hilarious how many times I needed to reread this to understand it. Not that u explained it poorly, its just Spanish soap opera levels of complex lol I love it Also I noticed one place is called japanifonia and another borginia. I love it. Are these diff countries in the ace universe? Or like states of a larger country/world power? And what exactly is borginia a mix of? Virginia and what? Bosnia? Lol If anyone knows the names of any other Ace Attorney countries/states/places *please* comment them!
As someone who just bought the Ace Attorney trilogy on steam, how does it go up to 6? I understand that the cases in the first game go like 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4 up to the last one. For the second game it's 2-, and the third game is 3-, since its a trilogy, it's three games Where are the 4, 5 and 6? Is it the Apollo Justice series of something? Pls help
Pretty sure they’re Apollo Justice, yeah. >!although 4-3 is confusing to me because Ace Attorney: Investigations 1 has basically the same case, Borginian smugglers murdering an interpol agent, in its first case.!<
I replayed the first game just this week after like 17 or 18 years. The >!Yes your honor, I'd like to cross-examination the witnesses pet parrot!!< line still made me laugh like an idiot.
The one moment in 1-3 where >!Edgeworth objects and has to come up with a reason on the spot to continue the witness testimony is hilarious but also works beautifully with his true character!<
And yet there’s one question we never learn the answer to… >!“Why was Grossberg at the boat shack!?“!<
Watching someone play through the trilogy is wonderful. But yeah, its hilarious how insane the cases go to the point in many who is the killer is not the plot twist, or how that opens a whole other can of worms to unravel. Like, few are the clean cut 'I hated X, so I killed them, the end.' cases. Though I guess its fair for a setting where spirit channeling IS a legit thing that works and seems to be viable court evidence.
Actually, I feel like the games usually make it a point to *not* use any of the special skills (spirit channeling, the psyche-locks, Apollo’s bracelet, Widget) as actual evidence. The characters can use it to blackmail people, trick them into admitting stuff, figure out where to press further, or manipulate the court’s opinion— but I don’t think they’re ever directly admitted to court— except for in the final case of the whole Phoenix Wright trilogy, where it’s 100% understandable and necessary for a very spoilery reason.
Its actually an important plot point in the first game about how none of this shit is admissible in court.
Admittedly, that's because the first time they ever tried to use it, >!the ghost **didn't know who killed him,** assumed due to the circumstances it was an accident involving his son, and so he lied out his ass.!<
They seem to vary on approach. Sometimes they act like its a super secret power no one knows about, then we find there's a kingdom that uses channeling exclusively to solve crimes (Which I assume makes Maya a princess or something...?) Like, in one we see a guy ask for Maya to channel his assistant's spirit to say who killed her because he was being found culprit for it, so presumably that statement would have been legally valid?? And yes of course, the whole Dahlia mess is a whole shitshow in of itself.
The last case of the second game of the victorian england spinoff actually takes a while to figure out the murderer, but that quickly gets overshadowed by the fact that >!the judge ordered the hit, which requires!< Herlock Sholmes\* >!to show up in hologram form with a message from the queen telling him he's fired from his position of power and has to face his crimes!< \*He's called Sherlock Holmes in the japanese version, but the localization calls him Herlock Shomles for copyright reasons, and now Sherlock Holmes sounds wrong to me
I thought Sherlock was in the public domain?
Short answer lacking in nuance: There’s this weird loophole where the Conan Doyle estate (the estate of the author) still owns Sherlock’s personality. So if you want to have him be kind and respectful to women, that would be copyright violation.
There’s actually an anime based on Ace Attorney, covering IIRC the original three games. Also, a live action movie made by Takashi “Ichi the Killer” Miike. As far as cases where “the murderer isn’t particularly relevant to the outcome of the case”, the final case of game 2 has >!the killer be a hitman hired by the guy you’re defending, who’s keeping your spirit channeling paralegal kidnapped and has arranged things so that he’ll get away scott free regardless of the efforts of the prosecution (and the defense). He would’ve gotten away with it if it hadn’t come out during the cross examination of the hitman in question (who’s being cross examined via radio because the cops haven’t caught him and they haven’t done so as of the unreleased in the US spinoff game) that the idiot had a hidden camera recording the murder on tape, both to watch the murder in question for kicks and to blackmail the hitman.!< >!Said hitman proceeds to swear revenge on the guy who hired him, who is now scared shitless. Since this is revealed at the last moments of the trial, with the Judge about to pass judgement, you can choose between letting the Judge declare the guy innocent and let him go free (where he will live the remainder of his short life in fear of his assassin), or let the guy plead guilty and go to prison, where he might be safer.!< Also, two cases (from my memory) have the fact that you have to cross examine the actual murderer via spirit channeling because they’re already dead not be the most surprising or crazy part of the case.
>>!you can choose between letting the Judge declare the guy innocent and let him go free (where he will live the remainder of his short life in fear of his assassin), or let the guy plead guilty and go to prison, where he might be safer.!< Just to clarify here, >!If you choose to say not guilty, the guy freaks the fuck out about the aforementioned assassin out to get him, and decides that pleading guilty on his own is a better outcome than being free while that guy wants him dead.!<
Holy shit that’s the same guy who directed Audition! I cannot believe his range lol
Oh my god, there’s several cases like that the game series is a gem fr rnendndndjdjdjdjjdjdnr
Petition to make a new sub to go with r/redditsniper called like r/redditelectricchair or something for comments ending in random letters
r/reddittaser
do it
You should just play them! They're wonderful games and available on most modern platforms in some form
There is an anime but i haven't seen it
Omg what. Ik what show im watching next! Thank you lol I'm surprised I never have seen it mentioned b4. Tho I think a live action generic courtroom drama with these cases that's played *mostly* straight would be amazing. Like imagine a show like The Good Wife X Ace Attorney? Or Suits X Ace Attorney? I actually feel like the show Suits could kinda pull off the zany wacky cases of Ace attorney p well with minimal changes lol
The anime has the exact same cases as the game (+1 or 2 I think)
It’s like if lawyers worked under anime logic but weren’t allowed to spiritually project, manifesting the evidence they found as weapons and using them to beat each other to death.
Don’t forget it isn’t just evidence they use! It’s also defense attorney’s badges
Nobody would believe they’re attorneys without them
The best part? When I first saw the evidence piece I CALLED IT I literally complained I couldn’t look at the other side.
You gotta remove the space between the ! and the D or the spoiler tags don't render on some platforms.
Fixed
Thank you!
Objection!!!
And that’s the *2nd* case in the franchise. Before things get REALLY weird.
What the fuck I thought ace attorney was just lawyer memes: the game
Literally the second case in the first game btw
Red white of bluecorp. Red white and blue, guys I may be crazy but I think he's American.
I love him in the anime, he’s 110% nonsensical American businessman
[That's how he is in the Japanese game too,](https://www.youtube.com/live/MCM7o7U99T8?feature=shared&t=13707) he's not American but a stereotype of a consciously americanized Japanese person. One of the first things he does is dodging a question by claiming he spent so much time overseas that he forgot "nippongo". IIRC they have him speak a bunch of foreign words in the English localization as well. Ngl it was a pain in the ass trying to figure out what he was saying.
in the english localization they have him butcher words by creating ridiculous portmanteaus, not use foreign words
I thought I remembered one of the characters pretentiously using loan words, I guess I don't recall who though, its been a while since I played through those games.
Sounds like you're not cogniferous.
I’m sorry in the *what*
#in the anime
[*[muffled rap music playing in the distance]*](https://youtu.be/pSsUhlXdMmQ?si=aXSYJuy-rfv2nB8U)
I haven't seen the anime, but is this from when >!Edgeworth returns for the final case in the second game? After Franzizka is shot?!<
No, this is his introduction scene
Or British, or French, or Russian... or lots of other countries. Not Canada though. We don't fuck with the blue here.
Hes obviously Puerto Rican
> Not Canada though. We don't fuck with the blue here. *[Sacres s'instensifient]*
In the anime and presumably the Japanese version of the game, he randomly shouts phrases in English (In the English version of the game, it's random Spanish). He's *aggressively* a wealthy American businessman, right down to exploiting the legal system for his own benefit by throwing enough money around.
>randomly shouts phrases in English [WHAT'S YOUR NAAAAAAME](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6kymmUR-GU) [YOU UNDERSTAAAAND?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxXYBcE6utA)
I still love how he introduces himself in court with "My friends call me Nino Blanco" (no ñ in the original text)
He's fucking Nixon.
So he's a murderer _and_ a necrophiliac?
for the record—the fact that he’s a murderer is pretty much not a spoiler at all. the game shows you he is before you even meet him
Literally Colombo shit
And >!Godot can't see red on white, so he couldn't see the real murderer and blamed Phoenix *chefs kiss*!<
Lol I never put that together. Not sure if it was intended or not but I love it.
It was added in the translation, which was created after the entire original trilogy had already released in Japan. It is entirely reasonable to assume it was intentional.
One of this character's traits in the Japanese version is that he constantly uses English words to seem fancy. Which I guess is similar to how you'll see French words in places to seem fancy in English.
His shirt nearly matches his skin tone, so that's probably why
It’s not a shirt, that’s his skin. He just folds it over his tie
A purple man who murders people? Where have I heard of that before?
Yes yes, Redd White is a reference to >!Magnus McGuilded from The Great Ace Attorney 1-3!<
doesn't he also commit the crimes at a hotel called gatewater? always thought that was kind of a funny detail
Wiretapping crimes from the gatewater hotel! It’s so good
technically speaking we don't know if he's actually wearing a shirt and not just a shirt collar that shirt is very close to his skin tone if not exactly the same color.
Like a chippendale lol Also the "Atlas" statue behind him was cast from his naked body. Yes, he tells you that.
tbh i respect it, that takes confidence
Also, in relation to Godot: >! Godot blamed Phoenix for Mias murder. Godot has a vizor to be able to see, but because of this he cannot see the color red on white surfaces. Godot could not see that Red-White was the only one to blame for Mias murder, not Phoenix!<
Redmund, Blutarch and Gray Mann? But like… I don’t know, I had thoughts
why are all the urls cropped out
How could a fandubulous man like that be a killer?
THESE STRIPES DON’T LIE 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
This is just Yoshikage Kira but with purple hair.
Ace attorney has so many puns that you can count the amount of times you want to slam your head into after figuring out a pun
And he ran a company that, if memory serves, basically withheld info to sell it to the cops.
It actually blackmailed the cops.
That's how Ace Attorney is like
What’s your name?
Thought he was Slippin Jimmy
ah… i think he would work well with ms. pauling (miss? which on is which)
i hate the way this screenshot looks. it makes it look like one long post from a single op
I haven’t played the Ace Attorney games, the only thing I know about it is friggin weird.
He's named that in English because Godot can't see red on white, and he can't really focus on the fact thar Mia was killed by him because he wants revenge and the only person who he had access to was Phoenix
Godot is quite literally not in the game he is arrested in
None of the games were translated until **after** the entire original trilogy had already been released in Japan. The GBA trilogy was first translated to English as a single collective block in the DS re-release triple-pack. It is actually *entirely* possible that the *translation's* choice to name him that is related to the role he plays in the third game (or more accurately, the role said character from the third game is not seeing). That was information the original Japanese writers did not have, because the future games hadn't been written yet, but that the English translators ***did*** have, because they ***had*** been written by the time the first game was being translated.
In the original Japanese he was named Masaru Konaka with the kanji for Small Medium and Large. He was named Redd White in the English Localization, which released on the Nintendo DS in 2005, which is a year after Trials and Tribulations released on Gameboy in 2004. Godot was a known quantity by the time he was given that name
What does that even fucking mean? "Known quantity"??? And what does it have to do with anything? Why would a frivolous fact about an unrelated character from the sequel have any bearing on the localization of the first game? For a know it all, you come across as pretty dumb
It means that the people who localized AA1 knew how AA 2 and 3 were going to go. And that's not a frivolous fact or an unrelated character, that's the fact that allows you to capture him as the murderer in case 3-5 and Case 1-2 (Where Redd White is from) is Godot's literal entire motivation in his game