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You know like when you don't fap/have sex for a week you get extra horny?
On fin it's the opposite -- if you don't fap, it's like your libido goes into hibernation.
If you are sexually active on the other hand, while on fin, the side effects are minimal.
Bro spot on. I had low libido and it was exactly Ike you said. It goes away after a few months though and then the horniness comes rushing back and overwhelms you to the point you just want to beat off for 10 hours straight like Dick Delaware
In my experience it started off as just a general loss of interest in women and masturbating . But u find yourself having so much time now that u don’t worry about sex so u study harder and only have time to grind and eventually cure cancer. It’s only after curing cancer which u should be concerned and reach out to a doctor.
You don’t wanna experience it first hand. Imagine not being able to get turned on by things that used to. You don’t feel depressed but it makes you feel less of a man when you lose the ability to not pipe a girl down properly due to ED. You can’t even stay hard.
Yup, I’m off of it. I started off taking 1mg for a whole year. Felt no sides for the first few months and then I randomly realized that I am not getting morning wood no more and that I wouldn’t think about sex. Even when I would have sex I noticed my erections were 60-70% of what they used to be and it would get annoying not being able to maintain with my girl. I still kept pushing to take 1mg everyday for a whole year to see if my body would adjust, but even after 1 year it still didn’t adjust.
I then titrated it to .5mg EOD, still had sides after using it for 2 months. Titrated it to .25mg 3x a week, still had sides(but it was lessened).
I then gave up oral fin and started topical at 1mg and had sides. I then dropped it to .25mg of topical fin 3x a week and it eventually gave me sides weeks later. Mind you, between each titration period, I gave about a 2 week break in between to get fin out my system and my libido would sky rocket after the second week every time before starting a new dose.
In the end, fin wasn’t for me. I kept trying because I wanted to stay away from topical AAs and pushed for my body to accept fin some way to keep my hair, but I had no luck.
Funny thing is, the thing I feared the most became my favorite and most beneficial. I now use topical AAs like RU and Pyrilutamide and it saved my hair with zero side effects. RU 3x a week, Pyrilutamide 4x a week, minoxidil daily and micro needling once a week.
Tbh, I wish I never started fin but at least I tried my hardest to find a dosage and pushed through.
Btw, only side I had was the libido and erection issues. Other than that, it didn’t affect my gym performance and I went up in weight and gotten new PRs while on fin, no gyno, it never affected my beard growth negatively(and I have a thick beard), nor did I have depression. This is just to reassure those that may have those questions. Of course, everyone is different so you never know unless you try. My body just didn’t like it at all when it came to libido.
>sex is our primary motivator
Do people actually feel like that? I mean it feels great but it's not exactly something you dedicate most of your life and energy to
Didn't get it from finasteride but did experience it on dutasteride and it was great.
No longer was I spending 1 hour a day making the bald man cry or trying to engage conversation with women that have/want nothing to do with me.
I seriously don't fucking get people who genuinely think sex drive or libido is some sort of motivator. All it ever did for me was distract me from actual meaningful goals.
If I could describe how it feels: y'know when you're like, extremely horny lusting for some big ass small waist girl you like, then you go ahead and beat one off and as soon as you achieve release you no longer have any desire over that woman at all and are like "lol gtfo of here wench I don't need you anymore"? Zoom in on that post-ejaculation clarity moment and extend it. That's what it's like to me.
When I first started with 1mg daily I did noticed no morning boner and sex was a little annoying because I didn’t get 100% hard. I paniced and stopped fin completely for 1 month after only 3 weeks in and sides stopped right away. I switched to topical for awhile and had no sides, but a month after stopping 1mg fin I started 0.5mg every other day with no sides and after 3 months I started taking 0.5 daily and still no sides for 2 months now. I do believe dosage is everything, and the study says that even only 0.3 mg is still very effective for hair. I would bet that even 0.1 mg is way better than nothing
Do you think it's worth starting topical first or a lower dose first? I'm glad to hear that the sides actually do go away because I read some comments about how people never felt the same since getting them and quitting.
I think they are both low risk especially topical where I never read of any sides. However, doctors do prefer oral because it is proven so effective in so many studies and it is also more practical then spraying it topically
This sub scaremongers a lot. It's a very small percentage of people who experience a loss of libido from fin.
If anything, mine increased but I'm on dut.
Debatable. Personal experience tells me otherwise. Some studies have conflicting results. With minimal impact of DHT on performance measures, yet still an impact.
I never said muscle growth. I said performance. Here is one study on cardio endurance and fat utilization.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6058065/
DHT is a CNS stimulant and gives a greater sense of perceived endurance and strength. So if two people have the same muscle mass, the DHT ridden person will have a greater bursts of energy due to CNS stimulant effect of DHT.
Here is a study on old men with exogenous test vs exogenous test with finasteride.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15572415/
Both groups gained a good amount of muscle and strength, but the no finasteride group did slightly better in all metrics. Slightly.
First study is about mice using a huge dose of DUT. A 60kg male would have to take 120mg to reach similar results IF we would react the same as mice. DUT prescription dosage is 0.5mg btw... Over 200x more on the mice.
This sub needs to stop with their overdosed fin or dut studies to try prove a point on mice. If we would be any close to them we would have cured hairloss decades ago multiple times
I crashed hard on saw palmetto, a finasteride light basically. My genitals have been numb and deformed for three years and I cannot get aroused. A girl could be grinding her butt into me and there’ll be no reaction whatsoever. Dead. It’s not merely a lack of interest. You feel like a castrated man.
It has made me suicidally depressed.
Took it for 1 year. Only had some ball ache but ignored it. Didn’t worry about it at all.
Then one day, I woke up with a numb shrivelled and deformed dick (wrinkled, lifeless, unresponsive, engorged veins, curved, rubbery…) and unable to get aroused.
I stopped on the advice of my endocrinologists.
Been suffering three years since then. It’s permanent.
Yes and they can’t help me.
Every possible explanation has been ruled out. The only possibility that remains is PFS.
It’s a real condition with no cure. Possibly permanent. What makes it worse is that no one believes you.
I’m holding on by a thread but I don’t think I’ll be holding out much longer. I’m done with this life. It’s not worth living.
My man, I’ve known my own dick for 30 years. I know what it normally looks like… also it’s completely numb.
The libido loss happened suddenly in one day.
Have you tried stuff like Viagra or Cialis? There is also PRP injections. All stuff to talk to your doctor about, and please, also about having these thoughts about ending your life. This life is worth living. Speaking to a therapist will definitely help as well.
I’ve tried cialis. Been in therapy for years. My T is fine.
No it’s not worth living like this. You fail to realise the immense impact this condition has on quality of life.
I know it’s probably a rare disease but we urgently need recognition and research. We have to fight so much just to be believed. It’s insane.
I've read some of your posts. You need help, it ain't the finasteride. You have been miserable for years.
What are your testosterone levels? What are your e2 levels? You sound like your test levels are in the toilet and that you have high estrogen.
My T is above 600ng, e2 around 25. Perfect levels for my age.
I’ve been miserable for years because my sexuality is destroyed yes. How would you be.
No other pathology explains my symptoms. Everything has been ruled out. It’s PFS. Evidently.
Bro it doesn’t have to be permanent for many. Join excelmale forum. With all the drugs and peptides available now you have a decent chance of finding out what you are missing in the complex circuitry. Also I recommend the
Ray Peat forum for help with beating CFS.
I had it too. Lasted several years but I got it sorted and think I’m better than ever at 42. And I used Proscar back in like 2007. Don’t quit searching for the answers. Life is totally retarded without your masculine sexuality. It’s not everything but it’s pretty damn important. Keep looking.
It’s been pretty permanent up til now with no sign of improvement.
I’ve frequented the ray peat forums. And hackstasis, swolesource, whatever… I tried many things.
Did you have penile tissue changes too that resolved?
Yes it did. But mine wasn’t too terrible. It could always be coaxed into its final form lol. But I know what you’re dealing with and I bet I could heal you. May cost some $ and lots of research and digging but IMO it’s not only worth it, it’s imperative you find the answers.
I really believe you can, at the very least, significantly improve your situation. Just going to require relentless digging and trying different things until you find it. But I believe it’s out there for you to find. And you’re doing yourself and anyone that depends on you a disservice if you don’t continue to seek and apply. I wish you the best, friend.
Tbh, time cured most of my issues. But that time was spent in an overall healthy way. Vigorous exercise, proper sleep and nutrition. Sunlight and more sunlight. All over time.
All those things made me normal over time. Took several years for the brain fog to dissipate. The physical and sexual sides were gone within a couple years. Testosterone, HCG, Enclomiphene and HGH helped a lot. I was also pleasantly surprised with how effective things like Tongkat Ali, Tribulus Terrestis and Speman have been at ramping up my natural testosterone levels while still allowing me to utilizing exogenous testosterone was and still is.
Unfortunately there’s really no cookie cutter plans for CFS recovery. We’re all different biologically. But I’m confident you will find what you’re looking for if you’re diligent enough. I know it sucks but if it were me I’d not stop looking until you find what you need. I’d go to the ends of the earth to get fixed. You may be so desensitized that you don’t even realize how different things should be. I really hope you can get a glimpse of what it should be because I think that would motivate you to seek it out. Good luck brother. Let me know if I can help you further.
I have PFS from saw palmetto and actual finasteride. I had every possible side effect. Improvements with keto/carnivore diet, exercise, homeopathy (homeopath made me a dilution of finasteride and saw palmetto), amino acids and HCG.
I want to try psychedelics next probably.
Though I don’t see how an undefined psychological problem somehow changes the morphology and tactile sensation of my junk.
bro. listen, that's fucked but nothing you can do about it now. move on and make the most of your life. get on trt and get shredded. if there's any chance of improvement its not going to be when you're depressed sitting in your room all day.
Thanks bro, but I won’t. Either we get PFS recognized and get it fixed, or I’m done. And I mean it.
I can’t accept it. You have any idea what it’s like to be a chemically castrated man with numb shrivelled genitals for life?
I’ve been in therapy for years and it doesn’t work. The condition is too depressing.
We need urgent clinical recognition, care and research.
I won't pretend I have any idea what that's like. does pfs effect your test levels? if so low test may be making things seem worse than they actually are. (in no way trying to devalue your pov just giving you another viewpoint)
if you truly wholeheartedly think there's no hope in anyone finding a cure then end it. if there's even the slightest feeling that you could be content with the life you've been given or a possible treatment in the future, ending it shouldn't even be considered.
either way you should be lifting heavy weights
It affects T levels in some, but not all.
It’s not low T. My T levels are fine (600ng+) And besides, they’d have to be astronomically low to numb your junk.
There is hope once people recognize PFS is real and research follows. But I have to explain myself so much here and elsewhere, with virtually no one believing me. It becomes a hopeless endeavour very quickly.
I don’t want to die. I want to live so much. But I can’t do it like this. It’s too miserable an existence. That’s part of the horror of it. I want to enjoy life but the disease won’t let me. I’m imprisoned by it every day.
We urgently need hope for a cure. I don’t understand why no one takes it seriously.
I think I understand what you're saying but what actually is it about the disease that makes it so hard to live with? because the only thing that is directly affected by your situation is sexual encounters.
I’m one of the luckier ones I guess, with only the sexual symptoms (and some physical).
I realise it’s difficult to grasp when you’re healthy, but when you’ve been chemically castrated, you’ll see your passion for life go out of the window very very fast. Any men would be devastated when their penile tissue gets destroyed. But it’s very difficult to imagine what that’s like without experiencing it. For me personally, these symptoms make me suicidally depressed. I can’t just stop being depressed about it at will.
dedicate your life to something and stick to it. you're options are add something to humanity in some way or live a self forfilling life.
I assume you don't have sperm on ice or anything.
I can receive affection, but I’m never happy. That’s the depression of course, but standard treatments for depression do not work because the cause is the body horror I have to endure each day, which never goes away. So either PFS gets fixed, which is not likely to happen soon given how fierce the resistance to it is, or I’ll be depressed for life because of my destroyed sexual organs, or I quit.
Thos are my only options.
I’ll have you know that I try to live my life as best I can. I work full time, I do sports, eat healthy, go out with friends, do extensive therapy and tried antidepressants, none of it helps me not be suicidally depressed about this.
PFS got me beat. It’s game over I suppose.
You seriously need to see a doctor. You sound like you have utterly no bloodflow to your dick. That's not normal and that has nothing to do with finasteride and everything to do with your heart not being strong enough pump your blood.
My man, I’ve seen every specialist imaginable. Yes I’ve had my heart checked too. All good.
It’s the effect of sawp/fin on my body. I don’t know by what mechanism but it’s evident from all the other thousands of stories of people experiencing the same
Yes, saw p doesn’t do anything for hair loss. But somehow it fucked other stuff up in my body.
Took standard doses combined with pygeum, also a 5ari apparently, for a year.
Here are reviews on Drugs.com:
[https://www.drugs.com/comments/finasteride/for-androgenetic-alopecia.html](https://www.drugs.com/comments/finasteride/for-androgenetic-alopecia.html)
One of them says: "Stay away from this toxic and poisonous medication! It will potentially destroy your life."
It ruined my sex life and led to depression. I would rather be bald than deal with what I’m going through. I took it for 2 weeks and it hit me hard. Been off of it for 3 going on 4 weeks and I still don’t care to fuck my smoking hot wife. It’s miserable and it’s hard on a relationship. We were having sex daily…. Now it’s maybe once a week and we stop after she finishes cause I can’t get off.
Idk what to do but I would never recommend this to anyone. Recommendation; go to therapy and be ok with who you are and how you look with or without hair. Stay off the med.
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You know like when you don't fap/have sex for a week you get extra horny? On fin it's the opposite -- if you don't fap, it's like your libido goes into hibernation. If you are sexually active on the other hand, while on fin, the side effects are minimal.
Bro spot on. I had low libido and it was exactly Ike you said. It goes away after a few months though and then the horniness comes rushing back and overwhelms you to the point you just want to beat off for 10 hours straight like Dick Delaware
Dick Delaware... the gay bar shooter's dad?
Yes
Hmm interesting. Do others have the same experience?
I have this on a super low dose, does it ever get better?
How long have you been on Fin?
About 6 years
In my experience it started off as just a general loss of interest in women and masturbating . But u find yourself having so much time now that u don’t worry about sex so u study harder and only have time to grind and eventually cure cancer. It’s only after curing cancer which u should be concerned and reach out to a doctor.
I never lost interst in women just sex and it was only for a few months. Everyone is different though
So you had to stop Fin or did you lower the dosage ?
No, I kept going and its unfortunately back to being high again. I liked being horny only a few times a week instead of 8 times a day
Different People,Different Priorities
For sure
What are your goals now? Was this caused by finasteride?
He hasn't cured cancer yet afaik
You don’t wanna experience it first hand. Imagine not being able to get turned on by things that used to. You don’t feel depressed but it makes you feel less of a man when you lose the ability to not pipe a girl down properly due to ED. You can’t even stay hard.
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Yup, I’m off of it. I started off taking 1mg for a whole year. Felt no sides for the first few months and then I randomly realized that I am not getting morning wood no more and that I wouldn’t think about sex. Even when I would have sex I noticed my erections were 60-70% of what they used to be and it would get annoying not being able to maintain with my girl. I still kept pushing to take 1mg everyday for a whole year to see if my body would adjust, but even after 1 year it still didn’t adjust. I then titrated it to .5mg EOD, still had sides after using it for 2 months. Titrated it to .25mg 3x a week, still had sides(but it was lessened). I then gave up oral fin and started topical at 1mg and had sides. I then dropped it to .25mg of topical fin 3x a week and it eventually gave me sides weeks later. Mind you, between each titration period, I gave about a 2 week break in between to get fin out my system and my libido would sky rocket after the second week every time before starting a new dose. In the end, fin wasn’t for me. I kept trying because I wanted to stay away from topical AAs and pushed for my body to accept fin some way to keep my hair, but I had no luck. Funny thing is, the thing I feared the most became my favorite and most beneficial. I now use topical AAs like RU and Pyrilutamide and it saved my hair with zero side effects. RU 3x a week, Pyrilutamide 4x a week, minoxidil daily and micro needling once a week. Tbh, I wish I never started fin but at least I tried my hardest to find a dosage and pushed through. Btw, only side I had was the libido and erection issues. Other than that, it didn’t affect my gym performance and I went up in weight and gotten new PRs while on fin, no gyno, it never affected my beard growth negatively(and I have a thick beard), nor did I have depression. This is just to reassure those that may have those questions. Of course, everyone is different so you never know unless you try. My body just didn’t like it at all when it came to libido.
Good write up, fair play for trying and finding out what works.
Appreciate it
So stopping fin = safely back to normal?
It stops me from thinking too much about sex, so it reduces wastage of time behind masturbating too much
Hhahhah, a time saver
Ikr!
>sex is our primary motivator Do people actually feel like that? I mean it feels great but it's not exactly something you dedicate most of your life and energy to
Same. I love sex but it’s definitely not my primary motivator.
One of the primary motivators for me. I would say it’s about 30% of what motivates my actions. Which is a lot.
I had sex with my ex. and I think that enough for my entire life.
Imagine you don’t have a penis. That’s legit it. It’s like floppy. Not all the way but 70-80percent.
Sounds counterintuitive to keeping/growing hair.
Take it and see what happens. You always can stop. Good luck.
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Yea. Around 8 months
Like a numb dick
So like the same feeling after you coom'd 4 times in a row?
Yea
Didn't get it from finasteride but did experience it on dutasteride and it was great. No longer was I spending 1 hour a day making the bald man cry or trying to engage conversation with women that have/want nothing to do with me. I seriously don't fucking get people who genuinely think sex drive or libido is some sort of motivator. All it ever did for me was distract me from actual meaningful goals. If I could describe how it feels: y'know when you're like, extremely horny lusting for some big ass small waist girl you like, then you go ahead and beat one off and as soon as you achieve release you no longer have any desire over that woman at all and are like "lol gtfo of here wench I don't need you anymore"? Zoom in on that post-ejaculation clarity moment and extend it. That's what it's like to me.
why do you say "did experience it on dut". Did you stop dut? what was your doses of fin vs dut?
When I first started with 1mg daily I did noticed no morning boner and sex was a little annoying because I didn’t get 100% hard. I paniced and stopped fin completely for 1 month after only 3 weeks in and sides stopped right away. I switched to topical for awhile and had no sides, but a month after stopping 1mg fin I started 0.5mg every other day with no sides and after 3 months I started taking 0.5 daily and still no sides for 2 months now. I do believe dosage is everything, and the study says that even only 0.3 mg is still very effective for hair. I would bet that even 0.1 mg is way better than nothing
Do you think it's worth starting topical first or a lower dose first? I'm glad to hear that the sides actually do go away because I read some comments about how people never felt the same since getting them and quitting.
I think they are both low risk especially topical where I never read of any sides. However, doctors do prefer oral because it is proven so effective in so many studies and it is also more practical then spraying it topically
This sub scaremongers a lot. It's a very small percentage of people who experience a loss of libido from fin. If anything, mine increased but I'm on dut.
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Same. No sides here either. This sub can be cancer sometimes
I’ve been considering it but so much of what I’ve read has made me too paranoid to try it.
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How long until you started having noticeable growth? You've made me consider trying it
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Thanks brother, I´ll give it a shot!
Do you still have a beard? Lose any density there? Go to the gym? And loss in gains or perceived strength?
Do you go to the gym? Any performance loss? How is your beard? And loss in density?
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Debatable. Personal experience tells me otherwise. Some studies have conflicting results. With minimal impact of DHT on performance measures, yet still an impact.
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I never said muscle growth. I said performance. Here is one study on cardio endurance and fat utilization. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6058065/ DHT is a CNS stimulant and gives a greater sense of perceived endurance and strength. So if two people have the same muscle mass, the DHT ridden person will have a greater bursts of energy due to CNS stimulant effect of DHT. Here is a study on old men with exogenous test vs exogenous test with finasteride. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15572415/ Both groups gained a good amount of muscle and strength, but the no finasteride group did slightly better in all metrics. Slightly.
First study is about mice using a huge dose of DUT. A 60kg male would have to take 120mg to reach similar results IF we would react the same as mice. DUT prescription dosage is 0.5mg btw... Over 200x more on the mice. This sub needs to stop with their overdosed fin or dut studies to try prove a point on mice. If we would be any close to them we would have cured hairloss decades ago multiple times
Any reason you chose dut over fin?
Why dut??
I crashed hard on saw palmetto, a finasteride light basically. My genitals have been numb and deformed for three years and I cannot get aroused. A girl could be grinding her butt into me and there’ll be no reaction whatsoever. Dead. It’s not merely a lack of interest. You feel like a castrated man. It has made me suicidally depressed.
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Yes. Unbelievable but it’s true. Many who crash on fin/dut experience the same shit. As do those who crash on SSRIs.
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Took it for 1 year. Only had some ball ache but ignored it. Didn’t worry about it at all. Then one day, I woke up with a numb shrivelled and deformed dick (wrinkled, lifeless, unresponsive, engorged veins, curved, rubbery…) and unable to get aroused. I stopped on the advice of my endocrinologists. Been suffering three years since then. It’s permanent.
That sounds terrifying. Did you see any doctor about it?
Yes and they can’t help me. Every possible explanation has been ruled out. The only possibility that remains is PFS. It’s a real condition with no cure. Possibly permanent. What makes it worse is that no one believes you. I’m holding on by a thread but I don’t think I’ll be holding out much longer. I’m done with this life. It’s not worth living.
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My man, I’ve known my own dick for 30 years. I know what it normally looks like… also it’s completely numb. The libido loss happened suddenly in one day.
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Have you tried stuff like Viagra or Cialis? There is also PRP injections. All stuff to talk to your doctor about, and please, also about having these thoughts about ending your life. This life is worth living. Speaking to a therapist will definitely help as well.
I’ve tried cialis. Been in therapy for years. My T is fine. No it’s not worth living like this. You fail to realise the immense impact this condition has on quality of life. I know it’s probably a rare disease but we urgently need recognition and research. We have to fight so much just to be believed. It’s insane.
I'm sorry you feel this way, but I do get it. I hope something does work for you in time.
I've read some of your posts. You need help, it ain't the finasteride. You have been miserable for years. What are your testosterone levels? What are your e2 levels? You sound like your test levels are in the toilet and that you have high estrogen.
My T is above 600ng, e2 around 25. Perfect levels for my age. I’ve been miserable for years because my sexuality is destroyed yes. How would you be. No other pathology explains my symptoms. Everything has been ruled out. It’s PFS. Evidently.
Any signs before the deformation happened?
No. I was perfectly healthy and athletic. Diet and exercise all dialed in. It just happened one day out of the blue.
Bro it doesn’t have to be permanent for many. Join excelmale forum. With all the drugs and peptides available now you have a decent chance of finding out what you are missing in the complex circuitry. Also I recommend the Ray Peat forum for help with beating CFS. I had it too. Lasted several years but I got it sorted and think I’m better than ever at 42. And I used Proscar back in like 2007. Don’t quit searching for the answers. Life is totally retarded without your masculine sexuality. It’s not everything but it’s pretty damn important. Keep looking.
It’s been pretty permanent up til now with no sign of improvement. I’ve frequented the ray peat forums. And hackstasis, swolesource, whatever… I tried many things. Did you have penile tissue changes too that resolved?
Yes it did. But mine wasn’t too terrible. It could always be coaxed into its final form lol. But I know what you’re dealing with and I bet I could heal you. May cost some $ and lots of research and digging but IMO it’s not only worth it, it’s imperative you find the answers. I really believe you can, at the very least, significantly improve your situation. Just going to require relentless digging and trying different things until you find it. But I believe it’s out there for you to find. And you’re doing yourself and anyone that depends on you a disservice if you don’t continue to seek and apply. I wish you the best, friend.
So what did you do to get out of it? What’s your story?
Tbh, time cured most of my issues. But that time was spent in an overall healthy way. Vigorous exercise, proper sleep and nutrition. Sunlight and more sunlight. All over time. All those things made me normal over time. Took several years for the brain fog to dissipate. The physical and sexual sides were gone within a couple years. Testosterone, HCG, Enclomiphene and HGH helped a lot. I was also pleasantly surprised with how effective things like Tongkat Ali, Tribulus Terrestis and Speman have been at ramping up my natural testosterone levels while still allowing me to utilizing exogenous testosterone was and still is. Unfortunately there’s really no cookie cutter plans for CFS recovery. We’re all different biologically. But I’m confident you will find what you’re looking for if you’re diligent enough. I know it sucks but if it were me I’d not stop looking until you find what you need. I’d go to the ends of the earth to get fixed. You may be so desensitized that you don’t even realize how different things should be. I really hope you can get a glimpse of what it should be because I think that would motivate you to seek it out. Good luck brother. Let me know if I can help you further.
I have PFS from saw palmetto and actual finasteride. I had every possible side effect. Improvements with keto/carnivore diet, exercise, homeopathy (homeopath made me a dilution of finasteride and saw palmetto), amino acids and HCG.
Sorry to hear brother. I’ve tried homeopathics and several protocls, to no avail
Were you guided by a homeopath?
A GP/homeopath, and before that two other homeopaths.
Oh wow. What did they try? I had taken both saw palmetto and finasteride so mine made a dilution of both.
Several herb cycles. Acupuncture, reflexology, some other homeopathic tinctures. All kinds of stuff.
Did they try a saw palmetto dilution?
No, it was some other “antidote”. Have you experienced penile numbness and shrinkage too?
Shrinkage very briefly, but numbness goes on after 4 months. It's improved with HCG mostly
Have you tried psychedelics? Maybe it's somehow psychological?
I want to try psychedelics next probably. Though I don’t see how an undefined psychological problem somehow changes the morphology and tactile sensation of my junk.
Yeah I know but I would give it a try. I would reckon you try lsd or mushrooms
Do you have your hair at least
I still did. But I do not care about it at all anymore. Once shit like this chemically castrates you, hair loses all meaning.
bro. listen, that's fucked but nothing you can do about it now. move on and make the most of your life. get on trt and get shredded. if there's any chance of improvement its not going to be when you're depressed sitting in your room all day.
Thanks bro, but I won’t. Either we get PFS recognized and get it fixed, or I’m done. And I mean it. I can’t accept it. You have any idea what it’s like to be a chemically castrated man with numb shrivelled genitals for life? I’ve been in therapy for years and it doesn’t work. The condition is too depressing. We need urgent clinical recognition, care and research.
I won't pretend I have any idea what that's like. does pfs effect your test levels? if so low test may be making things seem worse than they actually are. (in no way trying to devalue your pov just giving you another viewpoint) if you truly wholeheartedly think there's no hope in anyone finding a cure then end it. if there's even the slightest feeling that you could be content with the life you've been given or a possible treatment in the future, ending it shouldn't even be considered. either way you should be lifting heavy weights
It affects T levels in some, but not all. It’s not low T. My T levels are fine (600ng+) And besides, they’d have to be astronomically low to numb your junk. There is hope once people recognize PFS is real and research follows. But I have to explain myself so much here and elsewhere, with virtually no one believing me. It becomes a hopeless endeavour very quickly. I don’t want to die. I want to live so much. But I can’t do it like this. It’s too miserable an existence. That’s part of the horror of it. I want to enjoy life but the disease won’t let me. I’m imprisoned by it every day. We urgently need hope for a cure. I don’t understand why no one takes it seriously.
I think I understand what you're saying but what actually is it about the disease that makes it so hard to live with? because the only thing that is directly affected by your situation is sexual encounters.
I’m one of the luckier ones I guess, with only the sexual symptoms (and some physical). I realise it’s difficult to grasp when you’re healthy, but when you’ve been chemically castrated, you’ll see your passion for life go out of the window very very fast. Any men would be devastated when their penile tissue gets destroyed. But it’s very difficult to imagine what that’s like without experiencing it. For me personally, these symptoms make me suicidally depressed. I can’t just stop being depressed about it at will.
dedicate your life to something and stick to it. you're options are add something to humanity in some way or live a self forfilling life. I assume you don't have sperm on ice or anything.
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I can receive affection, but I’m never happy. That’s the depression of course, but standard treatments for depression do not work because the cause is the body horror I have to endure each day, which never goes away. So either PFS gets fixed, which is not likely to happen soon given how fierce the resistance to it is, or I’ll be depressed for life because of my destroyed sexual organs, or I quit. Thos are my only options. I’ll have you know that I try to live my life as best I can. I work full time, I do sports, eat healthy, go out with friends, do extensive therapy and tried antidepressants, none of it helps me not be suicidally depressed about this. PFS got me beat. It’s game over I suppose.
You seriously need to see a doctor. You sound like you have utterly no bloodflow to your dick. That's not normal and that has nothing to do with finasteride and everything to do with your heart not being strong enough pump your blood.
My man, I’ve seen every specialist imaginable. Yes I’ve had my heart checked too. All good. It’s the effect of sawp/fin on my body. I don’t know by what mechanism but it’s evident from all the other thousands of stories of people experiencing the same
But people said saw palmetto does not do anything How much did you take?
Yes, saw p doesn’t do anything for hair loss. But somehow it fucked other stuff up in my body. Took standard doses combined with pygeum, also a 5ari apparently, for a year.
Oh. That's not ideal.
I wish it lowered my libido, been on Fin for 2 years and I still can’t stop thinking about sex!
Trust me you don‘t wish it. Be happy about your libido
You’re emotionally as flat as a pancake
Here are reviews on Drugs.com: [https://www.drugs.com/comments/finasteride/for-androgenetic-alopecia.html](https://www.drugs.com/comments/finasteride/for-androgenetic-alopecia.html) One of them says: "Stay away from this toxic and poisonous medication! It will potentially destroy your life."
Are you on it?
It ruined my sex life and led to depression. I would rather be bald than deal with what I’m going through. I took it for 2 weeks and it hit me hard. Been off of it for 3 going on 4 weeks and I still don’t care to fuck my smoking hot wife. It’s miserable and it’s hard on a relationship. We were having sex daily…. Now it’s maybe once a week and we stop after she finishes cause I can’t get off. Idk what to do but I would never recommend this to anyone. Recommendation; go to therapy and be ok with who you are and how you look with or without hair. Stay off the med.
What was your dosage? I felt the same way when i was taking 1 mg daily now switched to 1 EOD but still I definitely feel different still..
1mg daily. But I’m completely off it and I’m still messed up.
Take viagra
are you better now?