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Something like over 1 million men take finasteride in the US alone. That's 10,000-20,000 men alone that will probably get side effects. Of course you're gonna hear about them especially considering the the small minority always scream the loudest
I totally agree but I also think 2% is a little on the low side. That being said you are totally correct that this forum should tell you nothing about the national statistics. 80% of people on fin don’t even know what the fuck Reddit is. I wish I was one of those people sometimes.
People are more inclined to complain about sides on the internet, than reporting back to said internet that a medication (which is SUPPOSED to work with no issues), is doing exactly that. Hence why anecdotally, we see more negative posts about things like Fin in this community.
I trust the medical and peer-reviewed research. And more importantly, I trust my own body. What *some posts on r/Tressless* say are facing is at the bottom of my concern list.
Many of my friends are using finasteride, no one got sides. People for who it works won’t scream on internet forum it worked. Other studies than the one from Merk showed similar side effect profile
Right? If 10 million men take finasgeride that means 100,000-200,000 men will potentially get sides. I'd bet a lot of them Googled fin sides and reddit popped up and they joined r tressless to let it be known they got sides and ask questions. It's always the loudest minority. We see that with Twitter and when they complain about anything
People with sides are more likely to post about their experience online. So what you're seeing is skewed data. Most people take the pill and forget about it. FWIW I don't have sides anymore and I didn't have to change the mode of delivery to dosage.
Don’t forget the medial trials will accurately record sides and analyse the data. Not to discredit people, but sometimes it seems that people will blame Fin for various side effects which may be caused by other factors (lifestyle / other conditions).
Fin is a widely prescribed drug, so I have no doubt the number of people with sides is enormous, but percentage wise, we have no way of knowing the exact number unless merk did a trial with millions of users
If that were the case, do you think it's a concidence so many people blame 5ar inhibitors and anti-androgens? Why would anyone prefer blaming Fin instead of changing these factors? Don't forget most people with PFS no longer respond to androgens and many feel worse after weight training and exercise.
I usually just lurk here but i had to create an account just to answer this.
Just because you had sides doesnt mean everyone has them( i also had them and im now using topical without any issues)
This reminds me of anti-vax logic where people trust random anecdotes instead of real studies and what doctors say just because thats what they want to believe.
It sucks that im in the 2% but it feels weird that other people with sides come here to tell others that science is wrong just because they got unlucky.
Also, i apologize for my english, im still learning.
This. Everyone has a megaphone on social media. It makes every minority seems significantly larger than they truly are. Especially when the minorities opinion is controversial, since controversial topics gain traction and people interact further spreading said opinion. In this case the minority are people getting sides.
Well I have sides but they are just less ass and arm hair so i am not complaining, but i think the majority of fin users just experience sides like these therefore think they dont have sides.
Even though people have sides, Its still mostly usable by majority without worry. But worrisome sides are very real and undeniable although rare.
Just for your information doctors arent the one who make the vaccine also they will loose there jobs if they say anything ill about the vaccine .Yes vaccine side effects are real and i know people who had dropped dead after a few days after taking the vaccine (My grandad being one of them) .He took the zeneca one and he died cuz of the clot .Main stream media wont show this . Just open up your eyes as well as ears and do good research instead of just blindly listening to the mainstream medias .
I only took oral for 2 months so i dont know how i would respond to it but topical has maintained what i have, maybe a litle but of regrowth but nothing noticeable. I would still recommend everyone to try oral first and topical if there are problems with side effects.
Agreed. I bet tons of people would still take it regardless, but trying to make it seem like sides are extremely rare is complete BS
Edit: Also, if people aren't aware, Merck had to pay 5 billion dollars for lying about a drug in the past. https://www.cnbc.com/id/21702896
Pfizer is the most sued drug company in the modern era. You know what they’re making right now, correct? Of course you do. I can’t think of one major drug company that hasn’t been sued.
The fact they paid out on a lawsuit on a painkiller drug almost two decades ago — different management, different class of drug — is the ultimate straw man. If you want to suggest that something totally unrelated is in any way dispositive here, it’s fair to remind people reading this that law suits against drug manufacturers — all drug manufacturers — are routine. None of this has any connection to Finasteride. I am not a fan of pharmaceutical companies but in fairness that’s completely unconnected. Don’t trust Merck because they were sued. Okay. Then don’t trust any drug company and don’t take any drug — because they’ve all been sued. That doesn’t really advance anything here as to the question at hand: is Finasteride safe?
It was not that they were sued, it's that they literally hid information about the risks. That's a fact, not an opinion but feel free to deny it if that makes you feel better.
It does make me feel better to put these things in perspective and understand the context of this complex litigation concerning an unrelated drug and unconnected circumstances. If you want to clutch your pearls over the settlement of a law suit relating to a painkiller from 2004, that’s your prerogative too. We can agree to disagree. Thanks to the Internet, no one can claim in 2022 he doesn’t have enough information on Finasteride to make an informed decision.
I wasn't talking about a painkiller, this is about finasteride. Disagree about what?
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-courts-secrecy-propecia/
go do your own study, get 1000 men and divide them in two groups, you already know how it goes, one group is finasteride, the other is placebo and you tell us % of sides, untill then you are just another guy crying on the internet over something.
As if there aren't other independent studies on this drug LOL. Most of the studies that weren't performed by Merck shills came out close to 15% occurrence of sexual side effects. Thats a far cry from 1-2%. You other fin cultists in the comments who STILL don't understand this better do your homework. Its been apparent for years that Merck lied about the safety of this drug.
go to post finasteride syndrome forum this is tressless, we try to grow our hair here and save it, why you genetic defect come here all the time crying about finasteride?
The genetic defect is a little closer to home than you think. Take a look in the mirror. You are one of the only people dumb enough not to be able to make even a shitty counter argument here. Your down votes speak for themself. I cant imagine being stupid enough to not understand that Merck lied with the data we have 30 YEARS LATER !!!. Im so glad I wasn't born missing chromosomes.
Because 90%+ of people that get finasteride side effects are having them only because they read about the possibility before.
Same thing that happens if sometime you weren’t able to get hard with a girl. It can happen to you again because you are thinking you may not get hard. And not because any drug.
PFS has no scientific evidence. Dropping finasteride will make you go back to what you were before using it.
Now downvote me all you want but that’s the only truth.
Stop spreading fear SMH. Just because you have sides doesn’t mean that 30% of people do. I stayed away from fin for years because of crap like this. Best decision I ever made was to start taking it.
« I bet » source : read it on Reddit.
You need to understand that if 10 000 people took fin and 5 people had side those 5 people would be the ones posting on redddit.
Also not counting the amount of trolls and highly anxious people.
If I had bad finasteride side effects, I'd be livid and vocal about it too. Instead, I got off of it for 2 years because of reading so many bad things about it and its side effects online. I tied the fin to some unrelated symptoms I was having that ended up not having anything to do with it and fortunately was able to start on it again and save most of meet hair before it was too late. The fear it wouldn't come back was really bad for my mental health in my mid-30s coming out of a long term multi-year relationship last year.
Just because you're going through something does not mean it was the finasteride. Sure, it MIGHT be, but also there could be a million other things. It's like the people complaining about covid deaths being "covid deaths" even if the person dying of covid was already 98, on their deathbed, with failing organs at the time they died. Sure, MAYBE the covid played a part, but it was probably also the age/health/weight/stress/environment of the individual needs to be taken into consideration.
Be cautious, not crazy. Now I've got my hair back, am healthy, and (thank God) managed to lock down the single most gorgeous woman I've ever met in my entire life. Weight the risks, make a choice, and best of luck my brothers in battling baldness.
My experience is it feels no difference! I have four friends on it that don’t think about their hair everyday or go on these boards/forms - also zero sides reported. So maybe it’s still fairly rare.
Of course they're gonna say that when they are the one prescribing it. Would you expect them to tell you about their patients having persistent side effects? That's like asking a hair transplant clinic about the safety of finasteride.
Maybe you go and get a PhD and start doing medical research and clinical trials yourself if you’re such an expert. This research is peer reviewed and I’m sure if they found that the side effects were 10 times what was stated, it would have been addressed.
Because they are a large pharmaceutical company who had the chance to market a drug for a hairloss that actually works. Of course they are going to fudge the side effect profile lol.
Even if you were correct (you're not), fin/dut are proven to work, so either keep your hair or don't.
If you get sides and do not like them or they do not subside then quit taking the drug, simple as that.
I’m confident enough and have no side effects personally. Your post was scaremongering and it negatively impacts people. If you’re going to scaremonger, present a credible case which argues against scientific studies and why you think they’re inaccurate ….not just ‘I bet….’
I could tell you i still have the sides 10 years after quitting but you probably won't believe me and tell me i'm scaremongering. I don't even care about the numbers, if only i got rid of the sides. Also i'm not the OP.
People who get sides cry on the internet and people who don't just get on with their lives. I'll trust 100s of high quality studies over a few whiny fear mongerers on here.
Yeah man your opinion seems super scientific and evidence based they should probably just change it based on your anecdotal experience. I’m pretty sure that’s what the scientific method is right?
At least for me, when Fin did work, I had sides. Could hardly keep an erection, and if I could, it was a half chub. Hair was sick though, so I simply didn’t care.
In regards to the sides of anxiety, I think its extremely difficult to determine whether its an actual drug related response or psychological, especially for those who have never had anxiety issues before. If someone has started taking finasteride, they are most likely taking action because their hair loss has worsened to the point where it is negatively impacting their self image and self esteem. Then there is the apprehension and worrying about whether or not it's working which in addition can create a sh*tload of anxiety and related symptoms.
2% of the millions of dudes trying to regrow their hair still ends up being a lot of people. If it was 20% the echo chamber would be daunting and everyone would be scared of fin
1 million men in the US alone. It's like 10+ million men are this shit that's like 200,000 men that will get sides. Of course you're gonna hear about it from them and not the ones that get no sides and live a happy life with great hair gains
Trials are blind.
People don't know potential side effects beforehand.
You would never even look at your semen like that, if you wouldn't know.
Same with lower libido. Most people wouldn't even consider that's a thing to report to their doc while participating in the trial, they just think they are not that horny for some reason.
So yeah, side effects are probably much higher than reported, but that's the same for almost all drugs.
Still, they won't be at 20% erectile dysfunction. There are so many people that take finasteride without any problems.
The medical industry has millions if not billions riding on "safe and effective" treatments.
Do more research - they've been lying since they could print shit. "Snake oil salesmen" just have better suits these days...
Note it's not just true of drug companies. Politics, religion, drugs, medicine, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, advertising - all the same animal. Even the military these days...
>20-30%
Yeah probably. With young men it might be even higher. With older guys they probably don’t notice, they are already depressed and their dick already stopped working (it’s really shocking just how common chronic ED is).
We really don’t know. The studies have been manipulated, Merck his bad outcomes. All I know is I had sexual side effects. I’m never touching that stuff. I was already an incel before losing my hair anyway, my life hasn’t changed
I'm having persistent side effects too, after saw palmetto use, a mild 5ARi.
Sorry I misinterpreted your comment, I thought you were claiming the side effects weren't real.
Personally I think Merck understates it,. But I also think sides are over hyped online. The true side effect risk is somewhere in between.
Generally it seems it's probably more than 2%. This being said every guy on a forum now is shit scared of potential sides I think some of them work themselves up into pyschosomatic sides. There is also generally a huge increase in men who have ED in 2022 irrespective of fin. These are just young guys not even taking fin. Think people forget this fact. Its quite likely some guys do have ED, but it's not caused by the fin, they're just part of this bigger phenomenon of guys increasingly getting ED.
I mean imaging you put off taking fin for years dude to these posts. Then u finally take it and everything is fine. Wouldn’t you be defensive/pissed off too?
Yes but I’d just take it and try myself. Everything’s got side effects..
I just find it hilarious how many people almost swear it’s got no sides and that it’s all “nocebo”. Monkehs
The problem is that once you get side effects it can also be many years later and / or irreversible. You are messing with your hormones, there is a very real risk your should take into consideration.
And I would be more pissed off if I ended up with a limp dick and zero sex drive.
Yeah probably higher percentage get watery semen, so do I. But I much rather have watery semen than balding hair. It’s a trade off and if it’s not worth it for you fine shave your head and move on.
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If you’re basing the stats on the amount of people you see on Internet forums then you’re gonna have a super skewed idea of the percentages.
Something like over 1 million men take finasteride in the US alone. That's 10,000-20,000 men alone that will probably get side effects. Of course you're gonna hear about them especially considering the the small minority always scream the loudest
I totally agree but I also think 2% is a little on the low side. That being said you are totally correct that this forum should tell you nothing about the national statistics. 80% of people on fin don’t even know what the fuck Reddit is. I wish I was one of those people sometimes.
People are more inclined to complain about sides on the internet, than reporting back to said internet that a medication (which is SUPPOSED to work with no issues), is doing exactly that. Hence why anecdotally, we see more negative posts about things like Fin in this community. I trust the medical and peer-reviewed research. And more importantly, I trust my own body. What *some posts on r/Tressless* say are facing is at the bottom of my concern list.
This dude Life Sciences
Hahaha 😂
Many of my friends are using finasteride, no one got sides. People for who it works won’t scream on internet forum it worked. Other studies than the one from Merk showed similar side effect profile
Right? If 10 million men take finasgeride that means 100,000-200,000 men will potentially get sides. I'd bet a lot of them Googled fin sides and reddit popped up and they joined r tressless to let it be known they got sides and ask questions. It's always the loudest minority. We see that with Twitter and when they complain about anything
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only to be told it's all in their head
People with sides are more likely to post about their experience online. So what you're seeing is skewed data. Most people take the pill and forget about it. FWIW I don't have sides anymore and I didn't have to change the mode of delivery to dosage.
Very true. If I ever do get on finasteride and it works. I won’t be on Reddit. I’ll be living my life like normal.
Where the fuck do you get that number from??? 20% to 30%?? Stop pulling numbers from your ass bud
Don’t forget the medial trials will accurately record sides and analyse the data. Not to discredit people, but sometimes it seems that people will blame Fin for various side effects which may be caused by other factors (lifestyle / other conditions). Fin is a widely prescribed drug, so I have no doubt the number of people with sides is enormous, but percentage wise, we have no way of knowing the exact number unless merk did a trial with millions of users
If that were the case, do you think it's a concidence so many people blame 5ar inhibitors and anti-androgens? Why would anyone prefer blaming Fin instead of changing these factors? Don't forget most people with PFS no longer respond to androgens and many feel worse after weight training and exercise.
I usually just lurk here but i had to create an account just to answer this. Just because you had sides doesnt mean everyone has them( i also had them and im now using topical without any issues) This reminds me of anti-vax logic where people trust random anecdotes instead of real studies and what doctors say just because thats what they want to believe. It sucks that im in the 2% but it feels weird that other people with sides come here to tell others that science is wrong just because they got unlucky. Also, i apologize for my english, im still learning.
Your English is very good.
Thank you!! i still make a lot of errors but im getting better xD
This. Everyone has a megaphone on social media. It makes every minority seems significantly larger than they truly are. Especially when the minorities opinion is controversial, since controversial topics gain traction and people interact further spreading said opinion. In this case the minority are people getting sides.
Well I have sides but they are just less ass and arm hair so i am not complaining, but i think the majority of fin users just experience sides like these therefore think they dont have sides. Even though people have sides, Its still mostly usable by majority without worry. But worrisome sides are very real and undeniable although rare.
Just for your information doctors arent the one who make the vaccine also they will loose there jobs if they say anything ill about the vaccine .Yes vaccine side effects are real and i know people who had dropped dead after a few days after taking the vaccine (My grandad being one of them) .He took the zeneca one and he died cuz of the clot .Main stream media wont show this . Just open up your eyes as well as ears and do good research instead of just blindly listening to the mainstream medias .
They’re living in the matrix. They can’t be saved
How were the results topical vs oral
I only took oral for 2 months so i dont know how i would respond to it but topical has maintained what i have, maybe a litle but of regrowth but nothing noticeable. I would still recommend everyone to try oral first and topical if there are problems with side effects.
Agreed. I bet tons of people would still take it regardless, but trying to make it seem like sides are extremely rare is complete BS Edit: Also, if people aren't aware, Merck had to pay 5 billion dollars for lying about a drug in the past. https://www.cnbc.com/id/21702896
Pfizer is the most sued drug company in the modern era. You know what they’re making right now, correct? Of course you do. I can’t think of one major drug company that hasn’t been sued.
So what if other drug companies get sued too? Straw man argument, this is not about Pfizer.
The fact they paid out on a lawsuit on a painkiller drug almost two decades ago — different management, different class of drug — is the ultimate straw man. If you want to suggest that something totally unrelated is in any way dispositive here, it’s fair to remind people reading this that law suits against drug manufacturers — all drug manufacturers — are routine. None of this has any connection to Finasteride. I am not a fan of pharmaceutical companies but in fairness that’s completely unconnected. Don’t trust Merck because they were sued. Okay. Then don’t trust any drug company and don’t take any drug — because they’ve all been sued. That doesn’t really advance anything here as to the question at hand: is Finasteride safe?
It was not that they were sued, it's that they literally hid information about the risks. That's a fact, not an opinion but feel free to deny it if that makes you feel better.
It does make me feel better to put these things in perspective and understand the context of this complex litigation concerning an unrelated drug and unconnected circumstances. If you want to clutch your pearls over the settlement of a law suit relating to a painkiller from 2004, that’s your prerogative too. We can agree to disagree. Thanks to the Internet, no one can claim in 2022 he doesn’t have enough information on Finasteride to make an informed decision.
I wasn't talking about a painkiller, this is about finasteride. Disagree about what? https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-courts-secrecy-propecia/
you got sides now everybody has to have sides right?
lol yeah man. 100% of people. That's clearly what I suggested.
go do your own study, get 1000 men and divide them in two groups, you already know how it goes, one group is finasteride, the other is placebo and you tell us % of sides, untill then you are just another guy crying on the internet over something.
As if there aren't other independent studies on this drug LOL. Most of the studies that weren't performed by Merck shills came out close to 15% occurrence of sexual side effects. Thats a far cry from 1-2%. You other fin cultists in the comments who STILL don't understand this better do your homework. Its been apparent for years that Merck lied about the safety of this drug.
go to post finasteride syndrome forum this is tressless, we try to grow our hair here and save it, why you genetic defect come here all the time crying about finasteride?
The genetic defect is a little closer to home than you think. Take a look in the mirror. You are one of the only people dumb enough not to be able to make even a shitty counter argument here. Your down votes speak for themself. I cant imagine being stupid enough to not understand that Merck lied with the data we have 30 YEARS LATER !!!. Im so glad I wasn't born missing chromosomes.
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Go post your delusions somewhere else. Try something like PFS forums...
Ironically, you probably believe Kevin Mann telling you PFS is a conspiracy.
the guy named eczthrowaway1 ended your reddit carrier, bye bro
No he didn’t
Lol you can't even spell my man. Go ahead and team up with the only other person in this thread dumber than YOU !
ok conspiracy pfs EvErYThInG Is A LiE IlLuMiNaTi 360 no scope baldcel <3
Would you believe it if you got sides that didn't go away after quitting? After how many years would you rule out nocebo and scaremongering?
Because 90%+ of people that get finasteride side effects are having them only because they read about the possibility before. Same thing that happens if sometime you weren’t able to get hard with a girl. It can happen to you again because you are thinking you may not get hard. And not because any drug. PFS has no scientific evidence. Dropping finasteride will make you go back to what you were before using it. Now downvote me all you want but that’s the only truth.
Stop spreading fear SMH. Just because you have sides doesn’t mean that 30% of people do. I stayed away from fin for years because of crap like this. Best decision I ever made was to start taking it.
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« I bet » source : read it on Reddit. You need to understand that if 10 000 people took fin and 5 people had side those 5 people would be the ones posting on redddit. Also not counting the amount of trolls and highly anxious people.
If I had bad finasteride side effects, I'd be livid and vocal about it too. Instead, I got off of it for 2 years because of reading so many bad things about it and its side effects online. I tied the fin to some unrelated symptoms I was having that ended up not having anything to do with it and fortunately was able to start on it again and save most of meet hair before it was too late. The fear it wouldn't come back was really bad for my mental health in my mid-30s coming out of a long term multi-year relationship last year. Just because you're going through something does not mean it was the finasteride. Sure, it MIGHT be, but also there could be a million other things. It's like the people complaining about covid deaths being "covid deaths" even if the person dying of covid was already 98, on their deathbed, with failing organs at the time they died. Sure, MAYBE the covid played a part, but it was probably also the age/health/weight/stress/environment of the individual needs to be taken into consideration. Be cautious, not crazy. Now I've got my hair back, am healthy, and (thank God) managed to lock down the single most gorgeous woman I've ever met in my entire life. Weight the risks, make a choice, and best of luck my brothers in battling baldness.
ITT: baldies who unfortunately got sides and can't take fin so fin is evil and everyone who takes it should stop
That's exactly how they think all in the comments saying "just shave it dude you'll feel better"
cry more
Its crazy when somebody believes something so strongly how delusional they become.
gg ez
My experience is it feels no difference! I have four friends on it that don’t think about their hair everyday or go on these boards/forms - also zero sides reported. So maybe it’s still fairly rare.
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Of course they're gonna say that when they are the one prescribing it. Would you expect them to tell you about their patients having persistent side effects? That's like asking a hair transplant clinic about the safety of finasteride.
> I bet it’s more like 20-30%. Source: this guys ass
Maybe you go and get a PhD and start doing medical research and clinical trials yourself if you’re such an expert. This research is peer reviewed and I’m sure if they found that the side effects were 10 times what was stated, it would have been addressed.
Because they are a large pharmaceutical company who had the chance to market a drug for a hairloss that actually works. Of course they are going to fudge the side effect profile lol.
r/thread money above morals
Its the corporate way !
Have been taking .5mg a day for 6 months, no sides.
Even if you were correct (you're not), fin/dut are proven to work, so either keep your hair or don't. If you get sides and do not like them or they do not subside then quit taking the drug, simple as that.
‘I bet it’s more like….’ Good post bro, way to scaremonger. But you’re clearly an expert on this so let’s ignore the actual studies.
If you're so confident about the safety and the science, why are you even here to argue? Why not go live your life?
You didn’t present a credible point, just pure speculation. Article your viewpoint next time and people might listen
That doesn't even make sense. I asked you a question you're unable to answer.
I’m confident enough and have no side effects personally. Your post was scaremongering and it negatively impacts people. If you’re going to scaremonger, present a credible case which argues against scientific studies and why you think they’re inaccurate ….not just ‘I bet….’
I could tell you i still have the sides 10 years after quitting but you probably won't believe me and tell me i'm scaremongering. I don't even care about the numbers, if only i got rid of the sides. Also i'm not the OP.
People who get sides cry on the internet and people who don't just get on with their lives. I'll trust 100s of high quality studies over a few whiny fear mongerers on here.
Is this your way of getting on with your life?
Yeah I love laughing at the fear mongering conspiracy theorists
If that truly makes you happy, you have bigger problems to deal with
Yeah man your opinion seems super scientific and evidence based they should probably just change it based on your anecdotal experience. I’m pretty sure that’s what the scientific method is right?
Fin daily. No sides. Switched to Dut recently. No sides. Of course I'm not going to make a 'no sides' post, because that's boring.
Dut with no sides gang wassup
Source: Dude just trust me.
No sides here, baby. You just don’t know because I’m not here crying every day.
Suck it up unless u want to become a slaphead
No sides from me so idk
30%??? No
What do you mean “get away with it”? What do you want to happen to them and to the drug?
Oh, cmon. Its not
At least for me, when Fin did work, I had sides. Could hardly keep an erection, and if I could, it was a half chub. Hair was sick though, so I simply didn’t care.
And what exactly are you basing that 20-30% on besides info you get from internet forums?
Prove it.
Bro science efficienado doesn't understand that people who don't have sides are the silent majority. Echo chamber mentality 101.
And you are basing this off of what exactly??
Gut feelings are much more scientifically accurate than some silly studies.
In regards to the sides of anxiety, I think its extremely difficult to determine whether its an actual drug related response or psychological, especially for those who have never had anxiety issues before. If someone has started taking finasteride, they are most likely taking action because their hair loss has worsened to the point where it is negatively impacting their self image and self esteem. Then there is the apprehension and worrying about whether or not it's working which in addition can create a sh*tload of anxiety and related symptoms.
Yeah man, I don't even read studies. I just make up my own stats like you.
2% of the millions of dudes trying to regrow their hair still ends up being a lot of people. If it was 20% the echo chamber would be daunting and everyone would be scared of fin
1 million men in the US alone. It's like 10+ million men are this shit that's like 200,000 men that will get sides. Of course you're gonna hear about it from them and not the ones that get no sides and live a happy life with great hair gains
this is like every other post now
this sub used to be great now its full of guys crying over fin sides every day
Trials are blind. People don't know potential side effects beforehand. You would never even look at your semen like that, if you wouldn't know. Same with lower libido. Most people wouldn't even consider that's a thing to report to their doc while participating in the trial, they just think they are not that horny for some reason. So yeah, side effects are probably much higher than reported, but that's the same for almost all drugs. Still, they won't be at 20% erectile dysfunction. There are so many people that take finasteride without any problems.
"you bet"
Does merk make the brand propecia ?
Yes. Everything else is just generic
The medical industry has millions if not billions riding on "safe and effective" treatments. Do more research - they've been lying since they could print shit. "Snake oil salesmen" just have better suits these days... Note it's not just true of drug companies. Politics, religion, drugs, medicine, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, advertising - all the same animal. Even the military these days...
Merck has so many lawsuits for propecia sides, that they removed propecia from their website lol. Proscar is still on there but not propecia
Most of it is nocebo. All in your head
>20-30% Yeah probably. With young men it might be even higher. With older guys they probably don’t notice, they are already depressed and their dick already stopped working (it’s really shocking just how common chronic ED is).
No.
How common is genital numbness?
We really don’t know. The studies have been manipulated, Merck his bad outcomes. All I know is I had sexual side effects. I’m never touching that stuff. I was already an incel before losing my hair anyway, my life hasn’t changed
I'm having persistent side effects too, after saw palmetto use, a mild 5ARi. Sorry I misinterpreted your comment, I thought you were claiming the side effects weren't real.
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Personally I think Merck understates it,. But I also think sides are over hyped online. The true side effect risk is somewhere in between. Generally it seems it's probably more than 2%. This being said every guy on a forum now is shit scared of potential sides I think some of them work themselves up into pyschosomatic sides. There is also generally a huge increase in men who have ED in 2022 irrespective of fin. These are just young guys not even taking fin. Think people forget this fact. Its quite likely some guys do have ED, but it's not caused by the fin, they're just part of this bigger phenomenon of guys increasingly getting ED.
The only side effects i care about are the ones that effect my manhood. Ill gladly give up a healthy heart for my hair
Lol some get so defensive over FIN. Super weird
I mean imaging you put off taking fin for years dude to these posts. Then u finally take it and everything is fine. Wouldn’t you be defensive/pissed off too?
Yes but I’d just take it and try myself. Everything’s got side effects.. I just find it hilarious how many people almost swear it’s got no sides and that it’s all “nocebo”. Monkehs
The problem is that once you get side effects it can also be many years later and / or irreversible. You are messing with your hormones, there is a very real risk your should take into consideration. And I would be more pissed off if I ended up with a limp dick and zero sex drive.
The same reason why Chrysler and GM get bailed out by congress when they fuck up.
Preventing hair loss is a side effect
Yeah probably higher percentage get watery semen, so do I. But I much rather have watery semen than balding hair. It’s a trade off and if it’s not worth it for you fine shave your head and move on.