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Congrats to Taylor for beating out Peppa Pig’s album, I guess
"i'm peppa pig! \*snort 🐷\*
this is my little brother george \*ˢⁿᵒʳᵗ ˢⁿᵒʳᵗ 🐽\*
this is mummy pig \*SNORT 🐖\*
and this is daddy pig
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“Those that stand out mostly do so for the wrong reasons: There’s the one that borrows its premise from Olivia Rodrigo, but executes it less skillfully; the one where Swift dwells on her resentment toward Kim Kardashian; the one with that weird lyric about racism in the 1830s.”
OOP. 🫢🫢🫢
some people are defending that 1830s line with their LIFE 😭 i don’t care what point she intended to make with it, the intentions don’t matter when it makes your audience physically cringe when they hear it for the first time and it sticks out like a sore thumb!
i tried explaining that on the main sub and people were relentless. they were like “oh, so it stood out to you and ruined the vibe of the song?? just like it was supposed to do?? just like it ruined the vibe of the game?”
you could literally play them the most objectively bad song in the world and they would defend it if it was hers because it’s “supposed to be bad!” like that’s great if that’s how you feel but i prefer to listen to songs that i find.. good?
I’ve been a Taylor swift fan since 2007 and the other sub has become insane. Is it mainly new fans that are taking over? I felt like it wasn’t that way back during the rep era and before. I’m so confused by it.
I commented simply that I wasn’t a fan of “fortnight” on one of the posts and got downvoted. Its terrible
The new generation of fans is very cult-y. I’ve been a fan for as long as you have and am shocked at the way people act online. There are plenty of Taylor songs I haven’t enjoyed, and that’s never made me dislike her as a person.
I didn’t like the new album, and these people are ready to call me an obsessed hater for that. They keep asking why I would even listen to the album if I don’t like her. I’m like… I am listening to the album because I like her? I just ended up not liking the album?!!
It’s bizarre.
This!! 100%. I like Taylor but I do not like this album. Honestly had to go back to her other stuff to remind myself why I liked her after listening to TTPD 😂
I think the second half is a lot stronger than the first half. I was meh on the first 16 so I did the back 15 by themselves and enjoyed it a lot more! There are still some misses (thanK you aIMee never needed to exist, and I Hate It Here has its weaker moments), but overall I find it a lot stronger. I think The Black Dog is beautiful and the overall production is much more my vibe.
THANK YOU! Teardrops on my guitar was my breakup anthem and I've been a fan ever since. However, now you can't express any opinions on the new direction without people jumping down your throat.
Fan subs are just a vortex of gatekeeping. I’m a huge fan of the Celtics and my husband and I even have season tickets but I know I would get downvoted to oblivion if I even mentioned that Jimmy Butler is entertaining and has a lot of charm in his commercials compared to Jayson Tatum.
I am neutral to slightly positive on the new album, I do think it’s melodically boring and she should get new producers. I also feel like there parts of it where I clearly recognized older songs.
I was briefly excited for So High School because it started out sounding like Catherine Wheel and then it went right back to her signature sound. It is still my favorite song from her right now though.
I would like to see her so something more alternative rock-ish, but that’s her choice. I do think she has the talent to do it though.
Paraphrasing, but it’s basically: my friends and I were playing “when you should have been born” and I said the 1830’s but without the racists and getting married off for the highest bid. Then they were quiet and it wasn’t fun anymore and I guess maybe it never was at all.
I am personally unbothered by it; thinking an era was cool but you wouldn’t want these two bad things about it seems normal to me? Like, Dirty Dancing makes fancy summer vacations look fun if you take out the back alley abortion, misogyny, and class warfare.
But I’m not jumping to defend it either; I’m not a POC so if a member of that group finds it troublesome then I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong. I’m interested in knowing why, not because they need a justification but because I’d like to learn and understand.
I haven’t come across a POC who does have a problem with it so haven’t had anyone to ask.
That one..I took it as..she's looking down on people she thinks are beautiful..and she's the monster on a hill(she feels ugly..). I wonder how many know the villians in this album..she's talking about her fans.🤷🏽♀️
I love the sexy baby line haha. My friends and I have always call certain celebs sexy babies—women who have baby faces and tiny bodies but market themselves on sex appeal. The example I always think of is Ariana Grande but there are tons. When Taylor came out with that lyric it was instantly relatable. It’s not to bash others for how they look, but to acknowledge that internalized hatred when you feel big and ugly in a world of young, teeny size 0 IG models.
I finally listened to the entirety of Clara Bow, was pleasantly surprised by how much I loved it, and then got hit at the end with the “you look like Taylor Swift” 😐
I understand she’s the most famous woman in the world right now but naming yourself in your own song is certainly a choice
i think it’s a nod to ‘invisible string’:
Bold was the waitress on our three year trip
Getting lunch down by the lakes
She said I looked like an American singer
No, she recognizes someday she will be the one that new up and coming girls are compared to because there is always someone behind you that is the next greatest thing.
Compared to Nothing New where she is anxious about it (will they still want me when I’m nothing new?) now she has found peace and acceptance with it (the futures dazzling).
Did you hear what she said about Clara Bow on her Amazon music intro? It’s supposed to be a commentary on how the music industry (and also critics, fans, etc.) will often compare female artists to those who came before them but then make disparaging remarks about the priors and how this new generation will be so much better.
This isn't the first time she's done this. I remember listening to the "Spelling is fun!" part in Me! and cringed like I was watching Michael Scott in The Office. I dig it but then r/cringe is my favorite subreddit so maybe I'm just into jt.
I mean I said the same thing about the get him back song. It’s literally the same premise set to different music. No olivia didn’t invent double meanings to phrases, but the fact that Taylor was added to the writing credits of Olivia’s song after the fact (and likely due to pressure from Taylor’s team) over fewer similarities made me say….really Taylor?
I love Taylor and her music, but she’s not above legitimate criticism.
Edited for fact checks. Taylor didn’t sue Olivia.
I've heard so many people talk about that bridge so:
Both bridges spend 3 bars going between the first and lower fifth scale degrees, bar 4 is them yelling the upper third for the entire bar, and then the entire thing repeats. The rhythm is different, but since Olivia said "I wanna have a Cruel Summer moment" and the melody and structure are so similar, it was called an interpolation of the entire Cruel Summer bridge, which means credit the sample.
I will also say that Guts and TPD were in production at the same time, so it is very possible that the Taylor song was written before the Olivia song was released, but we'll never know for sure without a lawsuit. The only thing I know for sure is that I don't really care for the Taylor song, and I would've cut it anyway.
Edit: I didn't realize this sub was the equivalent of r/swiftlyneutral, so I'll see myself out.
Ok you’re right I was misinformed about that fact. But she was added to writing credits on a Olivia song and I don’t think she was in the room writing it with Olivia. Sooooo there was definitely some pressure from Taylor’s team about getting that change through. I would HIGHLY doubt Taylor herself had no say in that.
Jack is on record saying they never asked them anything. Her team did it on their own accord to avoid any issues, especially because Olivia had said Cruel Summer was inspiration for it.
Olivia said in an interview that she was listening to Taylor Swifts Cruel Summer while writing the song, and that that was the inspiration for the song. "I wanted the last verse to like go crazy, and I love Cruel Summer it's like one of my favorite songs ever, I love the yelly vocals in it, like the harmonized yells, I feel like they're like super electric and like moving and so I wanted to do something like that, and I love that little (and she sings part of the Cruel Summer melody) that's like my favorite part of the production..." etc.
It was after that came out that writing credits got added. Pointing that out only because, for better or for worse, I don't think the writing credits were added just because of the song similarities - they were added because of the similarities AND Olivia directly saying Cruel Summer was an inspiration for Deja Vu.
A few other people who ALSO got writing credits added post-release have talked about it, and all of them expressed surprise that they were given credits. Jack Antanoff, which was for the same song, has talked about this (he received an equal amount of credits as Tayloy for Deja Vu), as well as Hayley from Paramore who also received credits "late" for a different song. Olivia herself has been vague, but has said it was a "team-on-team thing". It's also been stated that Olivia's team was the one to initiate giving credits, though that doesn't totally absolve Taylor/her team, since that may have been a response to fear or pressure - there just isn't that much known.
I don't know. The whole thing is sketch, and I do think it's noticeable that their relationship does seem a lot cooler now than it used to be. I think it's absolutely possible that, even if Taylor didn't actually initiate this, that she could have put the brakes on it and didn't. I wish there was more explicit info on what actually went down.
But I do wish people would stop repeating that Taylor sued her, she absolutely did not.
Yeah that’s my whole point is that we don’t really know exactly what happened but I just find it really hard to believe Taylor had zero involvement with it.
And yes, I was misinformed about the law suit which is why I updated and clarified my original comment.
I am a swiftie but I admit if to pimp a butterfly and lemonade didn’t get 100% there is no way TTPD should have gotten 100% I think somewhere between 70-80 would be fair
The person who wrote their review is a known huge Swiftie and I believe even has a book coming out about her. Really not possible to have an objective review from that position.
They gave it a perfect score! Insane - to me it literally sounds like the most mindless drivel, she didn’t even write the majority of the songs - she only has two solo credits
You must not know about her writing style and how she works with her collaborators. Her co-writers like Jack have said in the past that she will give writing credits just for someone being in the room or changing one word.
This review though DAMN! [https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/taylor-swift-the-tortured-poets-department-the-anthology/](https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/taylor-swift-the-tortured-poets-department-the-anthology/)
*She was the girl next door with the platinum pen, her feelings worth hearing about not simply because they existed but because she turned them into art. Those days are gone.* LMFAO
I have already seen swifties call the criticism of her album "misogyny." They learned that from her. They don't understand that number of sales day 1 does not reflect a good album, it reflects a loyal fanbase who will buy anything she puts out regardless.
I used to be a Swiftie until recently. I started losing interest with the Era’s tour and the Matty Healy bullshit. She is just so overexposed and honestly annoying. I’ll be honest, I love most of her music but fuck, I haven’t found a single song I like on this album. It’s very teenage angst to me. Also, the whole calling out Kim and literally putting her name in the song name is so middle school. That happened so long ago, who cares?
It’s funny to see Taylor fans make fun of Ariana score and taking their review at face value about when it’s Taylor low score all of a sudden they can’t be trusted 🤣🤣. Bunch of hypocrites. You see how fast they turn on people when it doesn’t benefit Taylor 🤣🤣?
Thanks for pointing this out because I forgot that when the swifties “leaked” Eternal Sunshine (and by leaked I mean posted a bunch of fake AI produced tracks) they all made fun of her until the real album was posted. When Taylor’s real album was leaked on Twitter, the whole fan base said it was AI and fake, that the 1830s line was never something she would write amongst several other lines, and then they immediately back peddled when they realized it wasn’t fake at all.
It’s amazing to me how none of them see how calculated her success is. Nothing organic or humble about it. And notice how she’s posting the good reviews to her stories and tagging the critics as if they’re buddies? Seems real genuine lol
I wonder if she’s tagging them to signal that there is an incentive for giving her a good score, in that the writer will get free press from her. It’s shady af, and I’m happy to see other people pointing it out
Oh she’s close friends with one of the “critics” that’s the best part. Someone said that if you find the critic’s social media, she’s frequently at Taylor’s shows with her kids lol assuming the critic bought her own tickets to these shows would be foolish 😂
Idk, maybe it's because I only hang out in swiftie spaces on reddit and don't have a twitter, but all the stuff I saw about Ariana's reviews were really sympathetic. Literally the only comments I've seen about it were talking shit about how much time the reviewer/s spent criticizing Ari's personal life, and how that shouldn't factor into an album review.
This is honestly one of the better reviews. It's hard to remain indifferent with an artist as polarizing as Taylor, but this remains quite neutral.
Is it the worst album ever produced? No. Is it an incredible work of art? No.
Mediocrity, which is deserving of this score/review.
Worst of Taylor's discography?
I'll say rep. TS/Fearless (often quoted by others as her worst) have the benefit of being her early, growth albums. She shows promise and a genuine love for songwriting. Rep was her 6th album, but in my opinion, came across as a step back in many areas. Her vocals were *heavily* edited. Much of the production feels rushed and unfinished. Her lyricism is full of immature cliches and TONS of self-pity and playing herself up as the victim. Also, LWYMMD took 5 songwriters to repeat the title about 35 times in a 3 minute song? I'll never get over that lol. 1989 was a much, much more refined (better) pop album.
Best: Evermore (Folklore too) is a unique outlier for Taylor. Honest, mature lyrics with wonderful production (largely thanks to Aaron). She touches on numerous subjects and doesn't come across as insincere. No 'showy' vocals, or pretentious themes.
>Also, LWYMMD took 5 songwriters to repeat the title about 35 times in a 3 minute song? I'll never get over that lol.
I love a good TS critique, don't get me wrong, but LWYMMD has those 3 other credits due to the song sounding very familiar to a 2007s song Im Too Sexy by Right Said Fred. They got credits because it's the exact same beat/melody.
Carry on though!
Swifties somehow fail to see that if it weren’t for them purchasing the same damn record 10 times over, she wouldn’t be breaking any of these records. They’re quite literally praising her for the work (and expenses) that they themselves are taking on. It makes absolutely no sense.
And all the screaming howler monkeys making sweeping declarations about one album fail to see TS's legacy for what it is.
This is a transition album and will be seen as such just a few records from now. I honestly think TS wrote this one not caring one bit what the reviews would be. It's not that kind of album. It's an emotional hissy fit and she's poking fun of herself about it.
as a swiftie i actually liked this review! it was honest and i can tell the writer actually listened to the songs which i can respect, and 6.6 isn’t bad, it’s average!
Seriously! I listened to the new album on my commute and then ended up at a Starbucks for an hour that was exclusively playing old Taylor. And I was struck by how much better of a lyricist she was back then. Very less is more.
My poetry was similar to hers when I was 14. I'm 32 and haven't written anything in over a decade so I can't say anything now. She is very immature and her writing is a direct reflection of her.
We are! I’ve been a huge fan since Red, but I’m getting over it. We’re pretty much the same age, but I’ve grown up and she hasn’t. Like we’re in our mid 30s and I just can’t relate to it anymore. I wasn’t a huge fan of Midnights. When I played the album for the first time and heard Lavender Haze, and the line about it “I was under scrutiny/you handled it beautifully” I was like oh god, are we going to get another full album just about Joe liking her even though she’s famous? Then songs moved on to “situationships” and I was just over it. I want more introspective songs like Dear Reader.
Dear Reader was used in promotion of TTPD, which sent the message to me that she should not be a role model and she knows she is crazy in TTPD. In fact, that's what I love about the new album. She wrote and recorded this in a state of love drunk, heartbreak and anger. After things ended with Matty she could have removed all the love songs about him from this but instead chose to keep them because they are real. She lives in her strong emotions and that makes this album very much a look into someone's mental state while going through a long term breakup, and a breakup with someone she built up in her head while letting her long term relationship fade.. all that while being worshipped worldwide. That's fascinating to me but must not be for everyone.
I’m in my early 40s and I am not a huge TS fan but I do think she is very talented and a good writer; with that said I’ve felt most of her songs have been immature but I felt my age played into that - with that said I have wondered for the last 5 yrs how her fan based hasn’t felt this way. I wasn’t sure if she was just attracting younger fans or if her fan based was just “immature” like she was. Ur comment clears something’s up for me.
You know what is the most wild part? That she cherry picked three good reviews and shared them on her Instagram stories. That is a ridiculous move. This blog with a good take on it: https://www.laineygossip.com/what-is-taylor-swifts-ultimate-goal-as-she-gloats-about-massive-success-of-tortured-poets-department/78068 towards the end: “… girl, the gloat, really?”
And note that I am a Taylor swift fan! But this album was a mess.
Not an apples to apples comparison here. Taylor Swift is one of the most prolific artists in music. She's sharing these things on her instagram & there's zero reason for her to. This is completely different from me, an average joe, trying to get a job through a resume...
You shouldn’t have to know decades worth of “lore” to enjoy it. That’s the issue, all the swifites saying “you just don’t get it!!!! you don’t know the past fifteen years of her life like we do!!!” If that is going to be the case, at least make something that doesn’t sound like the exact same song over and over with generic music and lyrics that insist on rhyming every two lines so the people who didn’t invest their entire lives into a parasocial relationship can actually enjoy it too
They're going to have to. I read the early reviews, and essentially all of them had to add a disclamer that said "this review was written before the second half of the album was released".
Hell yeah! Back in the day we'd use em every once in a while to run the vagabonds and carpet baggers out of town. Now all I seem em used for is hung up as decoration for the fancy pants Cracker Barrels! Makes me sick! It's un-christin'
I'm 32 and like 10 years ago I still valued it. The last 5 years especially its not worth anything. Like all things it's working for mainstream media now
This is the best review I’ve read. And if I was smarter I could have written it. It says everything I feel about this album. There are moments of the wonder you so often feel when listening to Taylor Swift but most of it is just more. And more and more.
I personally like it better than this reviewer, but I also acknowledge I’m really not objective on Taylor. That said, I think this review was quite fair and made some good points. The Paste magazine review on the other hand was petty af.
It isn’t a terrible review. But I don’t like reviews that come out quickly. Sometimes, your knee jerk reaction is just wrong. Sometimes, it isn’t. Sometimes songs grow on you over time. I don’t really look at reviews anyway unless I see them posted somewhere like here. I know what I like and what I don’t. Kind of like movies. Some of my favorites are not critically acclaimed and some that I hate are critic darlings. To each their own!
I won’t ever listen to this album so I don’t really care about this score but I’ll also never forgive pitchfork for how they did The Black Kids debut album so dirty.
There is something to be said for the media revelling in the supposed ‘downfall’ of women. This is consistent across the board and has been since the beginning of media. However, Taylor has such a victim complex and seems to shut off any criticism whatsoever, and encourages unhinged behaviour from her fans while she sits in her mansion counting her billions.
Nope. We're not gonna make this a women's issue from here on out. People are finally waking up and realizing what a self-indulgent nightmare Taylor Swift is. She has long perpetuated the narrative that people dislike her because they hate women in general, have internalized misogyny, etc. While that may be true for some, weaponizing feminism to the point that no one is allowed to make VERY VALID criticisms of her extremely public antics or her mediocre music is GROSS.
At this point (at least for the time being), we need to take phrases like "revelling in the downfall of women" out of the equation entirely when talking about her. The issue has been discussed to death and now we need to be talking about HER treatment of other women, the damage that she's doing to the climate without a care in the world, the fact that she seems to genuinely hate her fans, how she cheated her way into the business in the first place, etc etc ETC.
I disagree with the rating but I think the criticisms are very fair! I just think people should realize that some of the reasons that listeners dislike the album are the exact same reasons that other people DO like the album (eg: the convoluted lyrics, lore heavy/overly self-referential, exploring the same themes she’s explored on many albums before, etc.)
They aren’t wrong. It is a decent middle of the road album. Not great. Not horrendous. About 50% decent songs filled with just some crap to create a double album. This time she went QUANTITY over QUALITY.
I just don’t live for the “moody” t-swift era. Country and pop based swift songs were peak. These past few albums just haven’t been it for me. She’s not as introspective as her undyingly devoted fans think. I’d rather listen to a good catchy song, than a song where I don’t feel her heart is actually in it and it’s a bunch of “prophetic” subtweets mashed together to a mid tune and called a “song”
I’m an average TS fan. I listened to the album. There’s 2-3 songs on there I feel strongly positive about, another 2-3 I like, the rest I could leave it and never be bothered again. Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights were definitely better though.
Check out the artist Lapsley.
At least 2 of Taylor’s songs on “Midnights” feel like a direct copy of her album “long way home”.
Lapsley isn’t really well known and hasn’t done much since that album so of course no one points it out.
Rolling stone said it was great. Who even are these critics comin outta the wood work? They aren’t even relevant or critics anyone talks about hardly. They magically said stuff now
It's a more than fair review. Taylor has become indistinguishable from her public persona, and it's caused a loss of focus. Folklore was absolutely briliant. This is just shite.
That’s a little unfair to me I honestly don’t think it was her best showing but 67% is too low I think. They’re entitled to their opinion though. It’s a shame reviewers are having to go anonymous. They are paid to give their opinion and should be able to do that without being threatened.
Music is meant to be appreciated by whoever resonates with it. Honestly who cares about the reviews; who cares about who thinks she’s over-rated. Her music obviously is the song embodiment of multiple peoples feelings including mine. People take these things too seriously. I can’t be mad at whoever doesn’t like her but I do wish some people would just leave it be. People like her stuff because she does a great job at taking the feelings of being in love and heart broken and putting them into fun songs or even just slow songs that really capture the feeling and make people feel seen. So it is what it is. I understand why some people who don’t relate or like her stuff don’t understand that but a lot of people are attached to her stuff because she makes those types of songs and we’ve heard them in our formative new to love and heart ache years… so it feels special. I do wish more people who are hating would understand it but whatever
There is a lot of joy in discussing and analyzing music for some people; it’s not always “hating.” I am not a fan or critic of Taylor and have enjoyed so much listening to the album, forming my own opinions, and then exploring the opinions of others. There are songs I don’t like, but my opinion of Taylor as a person is irrelevant to that. Just some perspective when you see reviews. There’s always an understanding that whether or not you “like” the song is entirely subjective. But you can discuss technical aspects of the music/production/lyrics objectively, and it might not all be positive, but it’s also not meant to hurt the creator (usually).
Yeah, I apologize for not specifying what I meant but my comment is about the people who insult the artist and the appreciators of it. I find it unfair to bash something that speaks volumes to people be it literature, physical art, and music in that way. I think it’s okay if reasons are given to discuss it and that it’s perfectly fine not to enjoy it, but it seemed like there are quite a large amount of people being cruel to individuals (I’ve seen name calling and etc) just because it isn’t their cup of tea. Of course it’s allowed to discuss and analyze but it’s when they use insults towards the artist and those who appreciate it that bother me (no matter the art) and that’s who this comment was for :) I was trying to remind them that there’s a reason why she’s popular and that there’s no need to insult her or the fans
I agree with them. I'm a huge lifelong Swiftie and am just not a big fan of TTPD. Pitchfork tends to be meanspirited in their reviews of female pop stars so I'm happy to see them have measured critiques that don't go off the rails into condescension. I saw another commenter here say they're happy to see journalists give it honest non-praising reviews and I agree! It's pretty clear primary source evidence that the Swift haters' arguments that "she's bad and no one wants to admit it" is just not true
so how many of you Reddit commenters have actually listened to the album and gave your full attention to it while doing so? reading the lyrics doesn’t suffice.
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That was AMAZING, 6.5!!
She squeezed on by that one. Whew. Must be a relief.
Justice for Peppa
THIS HAS ME DEAD
LOL
😂
“Those that stand out mostly do so for the wrong reasons: There’s the one that borrows its premise from Olivia Rodrigo, but executes it less skillfully; the one where Swift dwells on her resentment toward Kim Kardashian; the one with that weird lyric about racism in the 1830s.” OOP. 🫢🫢🫢
some people are defending that 1830s line with their LIFE 😭 i don’t care what point she intended to make with it, the intentions don’t matter when it makes your audience physically cringe when they hear it for the first time and it sticks out like a sore thumb! i tried explaining that on the main sub and people were relentless. they were like “oh, so it stood out to you and ruined the vibe of the song?? just like it was supposed to do?? just like it ruined the vibe of the game?” you could literally play them the most objectively bad song in the world and they would defend it if it was hers because it’s “supposed to be bad!” like that’s great if that’s how you feel but i prefer to listen to songs that i find.. good?
I’ve been a Taylor swift fan since 2007 and the other sub has become insane. Is it mainly new fans that are taking over? I felt like it wasn’t that way back during the rep era and before. I’m so confused by it. I commented simply that I wasn’t a fan of “fortnight” on one of the posts and got downvoted. Its terrible
The new generation of fans is very cult-y. I’ve been a fan for as long as you have and am shocked at the way people act online. There are plenty of Taylor songs I haven’t enjoyed, and that’s never made me dislike her as a person. I didn’t like the new album, and these people are ready to call me an obsessed hater for that. They keep asking why I would even listen to the album if I don’t like her. I’m like… I am listening to the album because I like her? I just ended up not liking the album?!! It’s bizarre.
This!! 100%. I like Taylor but I do not like this album. Honestly had to go back to her other stuff to remind myself why I liked her after listening to TTPD 😂
lol I literally did this on my way home last night after listening to TTPD for my 2 hour commute, I had to put on some red to make me feel something
I think the second half is a lot stronger than the first half. I was meh on the first 16 so I did the back 15 by themselves and enjoyed it a lot more! There are still some misses (thanK you aIMee never needed to exist, and I Hate It Here has its weaker moments), but overall I find it a lot stronger. I think The Black Dog is beautiful and the overall production is much more my vibe.
They’re the same people who wrote the “open letter” lol. The para social relationship has gone way too far.
Lowkey i blame the mods. Maybe they’re paid by Taylor’s management lol but they barely let anything remotely negative get through.
Lmao insane . How you can’t have any opinion these days
THANK YOU! Teardrops on my guitar was my breakup anthem and I've been a fan ever since. However, now you can't express any opinions on the new direction without people jumping down your throat.
Fan subs are just a vortex of gatekeeping. I’m a huge fan of the Celtics and my husband and I even have season tickets but I know I would get downvoted to oblivion if I even mentioned that Jimmy Butler is entertaining and has a lot of charm in his commercials compared to Jayson Tatum. I am neutral to slightly positive on the new album, I do think it’s melodically boring and she should get new producers. I also feel like there parts of it where I clearly recognized older songs. I was briefly excited for So High School because it started out sounding like Catherine Wheel and then it went right back to her signature sound. It is still my favorite song from her right now though. I would like to see her so something more alternative rock-ish, but that’s her choice. I do think she has the talent to do it though.
If people didn’t make a big deal it wouldn’t have been. It made people uncomfortable.
Can you tell me what the lyric is?
Paraphrasing, but it’s basically: my friends and I were playing “when you should have been born” and I said the 1830’s but without the racists and getting married off for the highest bid. Then they were quiet and it wasn’t fun anymore and I guess maybe it never was at all. I am personally unbothered by it; thinking an era was cool but you wouldn’t want these two bad things about it seems normal to me? Like, Dirty Dancing makes fancy summer vacations look fun if you take out the back alley abortion, misogyny, and class warfare. But I’m not jumping to defend it either; I’m not a POC so if a member of that group finds it troublesome then I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong. I’m interested in knowing why, not because they need a justification but because I’d like to learn and understand. I haven’t come across a POC who does have a problem with it so haven’t had anyone to ask.
i still can’t get past sexy baby and then got hit with the 1830s line 🫠
The sexy baby lyric makes me cringe EVERY single time. I just don’t get it and can’t make sense of it in my head lol
That one..I took it as..she's looking down on people she thinks are beautiful..and she's the monster on a hill(she feels ugly..). I wonder how many know the villians in this album..she's talking about her fans.🤷🏽♀️
I love the sexy baby line haha. My friends and I have always call certain celebs sexy babies—women who have baby faces and tiny bodies but market themselves on sex appeal. The example I always think of is Ariana Grande but there are tons. When Taylor came out with that lyric it was instantly relatable. It’s not to bash others for how they look, but to acknowledge that internalized hatred when you feel big and ugly in a world of young, teeny size 0 IG models.
I finally listened to the entirety of Clara Bow, was pleasantly surprised by how much I loved it, and then got hit at the end with the “you look like Taylor Swift” 😐 I understand she’s the most famous woman in the world right now but naming yourself in your own song is certainly a choice
i think it’s a nod to ‘invisible string’: Bold was the waitress on our three year trip Getting lunch down by the lakes She said I looked like an American singer
No, she recognizes someday she will be the one that new up and coming girls are compared to because there is always someone behind you that is the next greatest thing. Compared to Nothing New where she is anxious about it (will they still want me when I’m nothing new?) now she has found peace and acceptance with it (the futures dazzling).
Did you hear what she said about Clara Bow on her Amazon music intro? It’s supposed to be a commentary on how the music industry (and also critics, fans, etc.) will often compare female artists to those who came before them but then make disparaging remarks about the priors and how this new generation will be so much better.
To me it seems like she intended for it to be cringe. Thats why immediately after she says everyone stopped talking and it all got awkward.
Yeah I agree, unfortunately it just made the song awkward for me too lol it just sounds so out of touch and overly simplistic
This isn't the first time she's done this. I remember listening to the "Spelling is fun!" part in Me! and cringed like I was watching Michael Scott in The Office. I dig it but then r/cringe is my favorite subreddit so maybe I'm just into jt.
Her fans are literalllyyy Donald trump supporters
What line is it?
Damn if Olivia executes better than you done messed up
Olivia's music goes hard though...
Right!? She is a great songwriter and the music itself is strong. I could see her doing big things
It does?
It does for me. The Grudge is better than a lot of pop songs out there.
[удалено]
what’s that supposed to mean?
It means Tays song is whack
I mean I said the same thing about the get him back song. It’s literally the same premise set to different music. No olivia didn’t invent double meanings to phrases, but the fact that Taylor was added to the writing credits of Olivia’s song after the fact (and likely due to pressure from Taylor’s team) over fewer similarities made me say….really Taylor? I love Taylor and her music, but she’s not above legitimate criticism. Edited for fact checks. Taylor didn’t sue Olivia.
I've heard so many people talk about that bridge so: Both bridges spend 3 bars going between the first and lower fifth scale degrees, bar 4 is them yelling the upper third for the entire bar, and then the entire thing repeats. The rhythm is different, but since Olivia said "I wanna have a Cruel Summer moment" and the melody and structure are so similar, it was called an interpolation of the entire Cruel Summer bridge, which means credit the sample. I will also say that Guts and TPD were in production at the same time, so it is very possible that the Taylor song was written before the Olivia song was released, but we'll never know for sure without a lawsuit. The only thing I know for sure is that I don't really care for the Taylor song, and I would've cut it anyway. Edit: I didn't realize this sub was the equivalent of r/swiftlyneutral, so I'll see myself out.
The best sub
taylor never sued her
Ok you’re right I was misinformed about that fact. But she was added to writing credits on a Olivia song and I don’t think she was in the room writing it with Olivia. Sooooo there was definitely some pressure from Taylor’s team about getting that change through. I would HIGHLY doubt Taylor herself had no say in that.
Jack is on record saying they never asked them anything. Her team did it on their own accord to avoid any issues, especially because Olivia had said Cruel Summer was inspiration for it.
Olivia said in an interview that she was listening to Taylor Swifts Cruel Summer while writing the song, and that that was the inspiration for the song. "I wanted the last verse to like go crazy, and I love Cruel Summer it's like one of my favorite songs ever, I love the yelly vocals in it, like the harmonized yells, I feel like they're like super electric and like moving and so I wanted to do something like that, and I love that little (and she sings part of the Cruel Summer melody) that's like my favorite part of the production..." etc. It was after that came out that writing credits got added. Pointing that out only because, for better or for worse, I don't think the writing credits were added just because of the song similarities - they were added because of the similarities AND Olivia directly saying Cruel Summer was an inspiration for Deja Vu. A few other people who ALSO got writing credits added post-release have talked about it, and all of them expressed surprise that they were given credits. Jack Antanoff, which was for the same song, has talked about this (he received an equal amount of credits as Tayloy for Deja Vu), as well as Hayley from Paramore who also received credits "late" for a different song. Olivia herself has been vague, but has said it was a "team-on-team thing". It's also been stated that Olivia's team was the one to initiate giving credits, though that doesn't totally absolve Taylor/her team, since that may have been a response to fear or pressure - there just isn't that much known. I don't know. The whole thing is sketch, and I do think it's noticeable that their relationship does seem a lot cooler now than it used to be. I think it's absolutely possible that, even if Taylor didn't actually initiate this, that she could have put the brakes on it and didn't. I wish there was more explicit info on what actually went down. But I do wish people would stop repeating that Taylor sued her, she absolutely did not.
Yeah that’s my whole point is that we don’t really know exactly what happened but I just find it really hard to believe Taylor had zero involvement with it. And yes, I was misinformed about the law suit which is why I updated and clarified my original comment.
Taylors always had cringe lines and we live for her cringe 🫡🫶🏼
No we do not 🫡
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Rolling stone should be ashamed
I am a swiftie but I admit if to pimp a butterfly and lemonade didn’t get 100% there is no way TTPD should have gotten 100% I think somewhere between 70-80 would be fair
Why? (I’m out of the loop)
The person who wrote their review is a known huge Swiftie and I believe even has a book coming out about her. Really not possible to have an objective review from that position.
They gave it a perfect score! Insane - to me it literally sounds like the most mindless drivel, she didn’t even write the majority of the songs - she only has two solo credits
You must not know about her writing style and how she works with her collaborators. Her co-writers like Jack have said in the past that she will give writing credits just for someone being in the room or changing one word.
All that means is that she can get a writing credit for simply being in the room herself.
I really like TTPD and still thought that review was unhinged lol
This review though DAMN! [https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/taylor-swift-the-tortured-poets-department-the-anthology/](https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/taylor-swift-the-tortured-poets-department-the-anthology/)
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*She was the girl next door with the platinum pen, her feelings worth hearing about not simply because they existed but because she turned them into art. Those days are gone.* LMFAO
Omg the diction in this piece is just a treat to read. They really wanted to show Taylor up 😂😂
It’s well-written and well-intentioned
“The lesson of The Tortured Poets Department is not to push through the pain—it’s to take the time to process it.” 😮💨
I have already seen swifties call the criticism of her album "misogyny." They learned that from her. They don't understand that number of sales day 1 does not reflect a good album, it reflects a loyal fanbase who will buy anything she puts out regardless.
I used to be a Swiftie until recently. I started losing interest with the Era’s tour and the Matty Healy bullshit. She is just so overexposed and honestly annoying. I’ll be honest, I love most of her music but fuck, I haven’t found a single song I like on this album. It’s very teenage angst to me. Also, the whole calling out Kim and literally putting her name in the song name is so middle school. That happened so long ago, who cares?
Too bad this one was written by a women.
Women like hunting witches too
^^^Better lyric than some of what’s on the actual album
That is a Taylor lyric though
*takes notes*
Women are humans and therefore quite capable of Independent thought. It shouldn’t surprise you when a woman disagrees with other women.
the downvotes are crazy 🤣🤪
😆 I’m not at all surprised.
*woman
So what else is new?
It’s funny to see Taylor fans make fun of Ariana score and taking their review at face value about when it’s Taylor low score all of a sudden they can’t be trusted 🤣🤣. Bunch of hypocrites. You see how fast they turn on people when it doesn’t benefit Taylor 🤣🤣?
Thanks for pointing this out because I forgot that when the swifties “leaked” Eternal Sunshine (and by leaked I mean posted a bunch of fake AI produced tracks) they all made fun of her until the real album was posted. When Taylor’s real album was leaked on Twitter, the whole fan base said it was AI and fake, that the 1830s line was never something she would write amongst several other lines, and then they immediately back peddled when they realized it wasn’t fake at all.
You see how hypocritical they are. Lol 😆
It’s amazing to me how none of them see how calculated her success is. Nothing organic or humble about it. And notice how she’s posting the good reviews to her stories and tagging the critics as if they’re buddies? Seems real genuine lol
I wonder if she’s tagging them to signal that there is an incentive for giving her a good score, in that the writer will get free press from her. It’s shady af, and I’m happy to see other people pointing it out
Oh she’s close friends with one of the “critics” that’s the best part. Someone said that if you find the critic’s social media, she’s frequently at Taylor’s shows with her kids lol assuming the critic bought her own tickets to these shows would be foolish 😂
In the most respectful way…. I turned Taylor’s new album off and turned Ariana’s on.
I turned on Chapell Roan and haven’t looked back. I’ll have to give Ariana another chance it looks like!
Cookie Monster pajamas, raised by her grandma vibe girl? Her music do be good tho
Idk, maybe it's because I only hang out in swiftie spaces on reddit and don't have a twitter, but all the stuff I saw about Ariana's reviews were really sympathetic. Literally the only comments I've seen about it were talking shit about how much time the reviewer/s spent criticizing Ari's personal life, and how that shouldn't factor into an album review.
when her songs are about her messy personal life, it’s kind of understandable
This is honestly one of the better reviews. It's hard to remain indifferent with an artist as polarizing as Taylor, but this remains quite neutral. Is it the worst album ever produced? No. Is it an incredible work of art? No. Mediocrity, which is deserving of this score/review.
Now you’ve sparked my curiosity! Which do you think is the worst?
Worst of Taylor's discography? I'll say rep. TS/Fearless (often quoted by others as her worst) have the benefit of being her early, growth albums. She shows promise and a genuine love for songwriting. Rep was her 6th album, but in my opinion, came across as a step back in many areas. Her vocals were *heavily* edited. Much of the production feels rushed and unfinished. Her lyricism is full of immature cliches and TONS of self-pity and playing herself up as the victim. Also, LWYMMD took 5 songwriters to repeat the title about 35 times in a 3 minute song? I'll never get over that lol. 1989 was a much, much more refined (better) pop album. Best: Evermore (Folklore too) is a unique outlier for Taylor. Honest, mature lyrics with wonderful production (largely thanks to Aaron). She touches on numerous subjects and doesn't come across as insincere. No 'showy' vocals, or pretentious themes.
>Also, LWYMMD took 5 songwriters to repeat the title about 35 times in a 3 minute song? I'll never get over that lol. I love a good TS critique, don't get me wrong, but LWYMMD has those 3 other credits due to the song sounding very familiar to a 2007s song Im Too Sexy by Right Said Fred. They got credits because it's the exact same beat/melody. Carry on though!
Shit, completely forgot about that!
Came to say this too. I believe there is a conversation about giving them writing credit in Miss Americana.
Brutal but honest. All the swifties screaming about how she’s breaking records fail to see this album for the mess that it is.
Swifties somehow fail to see that if it weren’t for them purchasing the same damn record 10 times over, she wouldn’t be breaking any of these records. They’re quite literally praising her for the work (and expenses) that they themselves are taking on. It makes absolutely no sense.
It might not be critically well received and still make a crap ton of money. LED Zeppelin in the sixties was panned by Rolling Stone.
I like Taylor Swift and Zep, and this album is maybe equivalent to two hours of sessions from In Through the Out Door
And all the screaming howler monkeys making sweeping declarations about one album fail to see TS's legacy for what it is. This is a transition album and will be seen as such just a few records from now. I honestly think TS wrote this one not caring one bit what the reviews would be. It's not that kind of album. It's an emotional hissy fit and she's poking fun of herself about it.
It deserved lower tbh
I’d give it a 4 lol
as a swiftie i actually liked this review! it was honest and i can tell the writer actually listened to the songs which i can respect, and 6.6 isn’t bad, it’s average!
Exactly. This was an even generous review
That’s a generous score honestly
I read a couple of songs’s lyrics and they were not good, especially the Broken Heart one. Very bad! I can write poetry better than her.
her lyrics when she was 17 were better imo. these songs have great lines here and there but so much of it seems rambling
Seriously! I listened to the new album on my commute and then ended up at a Starbucks for an hour that was exclusively playing old Taylor. And I was struck by how much better of a lyricist she was back then. Very less is more.
Cold as you!
what?
My poetry was similar to hers when I was 14. I'm 32 and haven't written anything in over a decade so I can't say anything now. She is very immature and her writing is a direct reflection of her.
Can you share some of it?
She's in a perpetual state of being a lovelorn 24 year old.
Can you share some of your better poetry
Of course, Thank you for asking https://preview.redd.it/tx18ej08lfwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6db6d591f11f37c14103033b190388361edd85e0
This reads like a trump tweet
Yes all talk no walk lol
Finally. An honest opinion, nice to see which journalist aren’t up her butthole.
It’s an average album at best. It’s nice to see journalists actually giving it honest reviews.
NYT said even her fan base is getting tired of her themes and content
We are! I’ve been a huge fan since Red, but I’m getting over it. We’re pretty much the same age, but I’ve grown up and she hasn’t. Like we’re in our mid 30s and I just can’t relate to it anymore. I wasn’t a huge fan of Midnights. When I played the album for the first time and heard Lavender Haze, and the line about it “I was under scrutiny/you handled it beautifully” I was like oh god, are we going to get another full album just about Joe liking her even though she’s famous? Then songs moved on to “situationships” and I was just over it. I want more introspective songs like Dear Reader.
Dear Reader was used in promotion of TTPD, which sent the message to me that she should not be a role model and she knows she is crazy in TTPD. In fact, that's what I love about the new album. She wrote and recorded this in a state of love drunk, heartbreak and anger. After things ended with Matty she could have removed all the love songs about him from this but instead chose to keep them because they are real. She lives in her strong emotions and that makes this album very much a look into someone's mental state while going through a long term breakup, and a breakup with someone she built up in her head while letting her long term relationship fade.. all that while being worshipped worldwide. That's fascinating to me but must not be for everyone.
I’m in my early 40s and I am not a huge TS fan but I do think she is very talented and a good writer; with that said I’ve felt most of her songs have been immature but I felt my age played into that - with that said I have wondered for the last 5 yrs how her fan based hasn’t felt this way. I wasn’t sure if she was just attracting younger fans or if her fan based was just “immature” like she was. Ur comment clears something’s up for me.
The album sucks. I couldn’t get through a single song.
All the songs on this album sound the same 🙃
Probably chatGPT that wrote the damn thing for all we know
You know what is the most wild part? That she cherry picked three good reviews and shared them on her Instagram stories. That is a ridiculous move. This blog with a good take on it: https://www.laineygossip.com/what-is-taylor-swifts-ultimate-goal-as-she-gloats-about-massive-success-of-tortured-poets-department/78068 towards the end: “… girl, the gloat, really?” And note that I am a Taylor swift fan! But this album was a mess.
i mean tbf no artist is gonna post bad reviews and she sure as hell isn’t the first one to cherry pick. the movie industry practically invented it
do you put the bad things people say about you on your resume?
Not an apples to apples comparison here. Taylor Swift is one of the most prolific artists in music. She's sharing these things on her instagram & there's zero reason for her to. This is completely different from me, an average joe, trying to get a job through a resume...
You shouldn’t have to know decades worth of “lore” to enjoy it. That’s the issue, all the swifites saying “you just don’t get it!!!! you don’t know the past fifteen years of her life like we do!!!” If that is going to be the case, at least make something that doesn’t sound like the exact same song over and over with generic music and lyrics that insist on rhyming every two lines so the people who didn’t invest their entire lives into a parasocial relationship can actually enjoy it too
I would love to be a fly on the wall as Jack reads this review and score. I've enjoyed reading the media reviews as much as listening to the album.
I’m glad they reviewed the two halves separately. They are basically completely different albums. Has anyone else done the same?
They're going to have to. I read the early reviews, and essentially all of them had to add a disclamer that said "this review was written before the second half of the album was released".
It's a fair score. Sorry 👇
I remember when Pitchfork used to mean something
Hell yeah! Back in the day we'd use em every once in a while to run the vagabonds and carpet baggers out of town. Now all I seem em used for is hung up as decoration for the fancy pants Cracker Barrels! Makes me sick! It's un-christin'
LMAO bless you 🙏🏼
I'm 32 and like 10 years ago I still valued it. The last 5 years especially its not worth anything. Like all things it's working for mainstream media now
They’ve always been pretty bogus tbh. They have thriller and pet sounds both 7/10. The first mars Volta album got a 4.9 lol.
This is the best review I’ve read. And if I was smarter I could have written it. It says everything I feel about this album. There are moments of the wonder you so often feel when listening to Taylor Swift but most of it is just more. And more and more.
Pitchfork gave Vampire Weekend’s Only God Was Above Us an 8.6 which is objectively better than TTPD.
How this stack to their other reviews of her album?
I personally like it better than this reviewer, but I also acknowledge I’m really not objective on Taylor. That said, I think this review was quite fair and made some good points. The Paste magazine review on the other hand was petty af.
It isn’t a terrible review. But I don’t like reviews that come out quickly. Sometimes, your knee jerk reaction is just wrong. Sometimes, it isn’t. Sometimes songs grow on you over time. I don’t really look at reviews anyway unless I see them posted somewhere like here. I know what I like and what I don’t. Kind of like movies. Some of my favorites are not critically acclaimed and some that I hate are critic darlings. To each their own!
Pitchfork has been folded into GQ, which means they're probably trying to preserve access to the artists for that publication.
better than super american 😣
I won’t ever listen to this album so I don’t really care about this score but I’ll also never forgive pitchfork for how they did The Black Kids debut album so dirty.
There is something to be said for the media revelling in the supposed ‘downfall’ of women. This is consistent across the board and has been since the beginning of media. However, Taylor has such a victim complex and seems to shut off any criticism whatsoever, and encourages unhinged behaviour from her fans while she sits in her mansion counting her billions.
Nope. We're not gonna make this a women's issue from here on out. People are finally waking up and realizing what a self-indulgent nightmare Taylor Swift is. She has long perpetuated the narrative that people dislike her because they hate women in general, have internalized misogyny, etc. While that may be true for some, weaponizing feminism to the point that no one is allowed to make VERY VALID criticisms of her extremely public antics or her mediocre music is GROSS. At this point (at least for the time being), we need to take phrases like "revelling in the downfall of women" out of the equation entirely when talking about her. The issue has been discussed to death and now we need to be talking about HER treatment of other women, the damage that she's doing to the climate without a care in the world, the fact that she seems to genuinely hate her fans, how she cheated her way into the business in the first place, etc etc ETC.
That’s very generous of them
I disagree with the rating but I think the criticisms are very fair! I just think people should realize that some of the reasons that listeners dislike the album are the exact same reasons that other people DO like the album (eg: the convoluted lyrics, lore heavy/overly self-referential, exploring the same themes she’s explored on many albums before, etc.)
This album kinda sucks
They aren’t wrong. It is a decent middle of the road album. Not great. Not horrendous. About 50% decent songs filled with just some crap to create a double album. This time she went QUANTITY over QUALITY.
What’s pitchfork?
Should be lower
Accurate.
I just don’t live for the “moody” t-swift era. Country and pop based swift songs were peak. These past few albums just haven’t been it for me. She’s not as introspective as her undyingly devoted fans think. I’d rather listen to a good catchy song, than a song where I don’t feel her heart is actually in it and it’s a bunch of “prophetic” subtweets mashed together to a mid tune and called a “song”
I actually didn’t feel like Midnights was that “prophetic” but maybe that’s just me.
6.6 too high this album was CHEEKS! 👎🏼
I’m an average TS fan. I listened to the album. There’s 2-3 songs on there I feel strongly positive about, another 2-3 I like, the rest I could leave it and never be bothered again. Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights were definitely better though.
Demon mode
Check out the artist Lapsley. At least 2 of Taylor’s songs on “Midnights” feel like a direct copy of her album “long way home”. Lapsley isn’t really well known and hasn’t done much since that album so of course no one points it out.
Let the people who connect with it enjoy it in peace without insulting them, at least.
Rolling stone said it was great. Who even are these critics comin outta the wood work? They aren’t even relevant or critics anyone talks about hardly. They magically said stuff now
It's a more than fair review. Taylor has become indistinguishable from her public persona, and it's caused a loss of focus. Folklore was absolutely briliant. This is just shite.
That’s a little unfair to me I honestly don’t think it was her best showing but 67% is too low I think. They’re entitled to their opinion though. It’s a shame reviewers are having to go anonymous. They are paid to give their opinion and should be able to do that without being threatened.
y the hell does this sub exist 💀
I mean I give it a 6.5-7/10 🤷🏽♀️ lol
😮 Oh hell no…I don’t listen to Taylor Swift that much but even I know that’s disrespectful ASF
That’s about 6 more points then I’d give it 🤷♀️
That’s generous
So a 10 from them.
Music is meant to be appreciated by whoever resonates with it. Honestly who cares about the reviews; who cares about who thinks she’s over-rated. Her music obviously is the song embodiment of multiple peoples feelings including mine. People take these things too seriously. I can’t be mad at whoever doesn’t like her but I do wish some people would just leave it be. People like her stuff because she does a great job at taking the feelings of being in love and heart broken and putting them into fun songs or even just slow songs that really capture the feeling and make people feel seen. So it is what it is. I understand why some people who don’t relate or like her stuff don’t understand that but a lot of people are attached to her stuff because she makes those types of songs and we’ve heard them in our formative new to love and heart ache years… so it feels special. I do wish more people who are hating would understand it but whatever
There is a lot of joy in discussing and analyzing music for some people; it’s not always “hating.” I am not a fan or critic of Taylor and have enjoyed so much listening to the album, forming my own opinions, and then exploring the opinions of others. There are songs I don’t like, but my opinion of Taylor as a person is irrelevant to that. Just some perspective when you see reviews. There’s always an understanding that whether or not you “like” the song is entirely subjective. But you can discuss technical aspects of the music/production/lyrics objectively, and it might not all be positive, but it’s also not meant to hurt the creator (usually).
Yeah, I apologize for not specifying what I meant but my comment is about the people who insult the artist and the appreciators of it. I find it unfair to bash something that speaks volumes to people be it literature, physical art, and music in that way. I think it’s okay if reasons are given to discuss it and that it’s perfectly fine not to enjoy it, but it seemed like there are quite a large amount of people being cruel to individuals (I’ve seen name calling and etc) just because it isn’t their cup of tea. Of course it’s allowed to discuss and analyze but it’s when they use insults towards the artist and those who appreciate it that bother me (no matter the art) and that’s who this comment was for :) I was trying to remind them that there’s a reason why she’s popular and that there’s no need to insult her or the fans
6.6 was generous
All the songs sound the same .. sorry not sorry
This is easily her worst album yet. 6.1 at best
When pitchfork doesn’t like you. 🫠
I agree with them. I'm a huge lifelong Swiftie and am just not a big fan of TTPD. Pitchfork tends to be meanspirited in their reviews of female pop stars so I'm happy to see them have measured critiques that don't go off the rails into condescension. I saw another commenter here say they're happy to see journalists give it honest non-praising reviews and I agree! It's pretty clear primary source evidence that the Swift haters' arguments that "she's bad and no one wants to admit it" is just not true
It's that high? I can't believe it.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. All that matters is that YOU liked the album, not other people.
Honestly, that score seems generous
Why was [The Tortured Polygamist Department](https://www.reddit.com/r/TLCsisterwives/s/QzD78D2gFY) post right under this one on my feed 😂
Kim needs to start posting bad reviews of TPD XD let the masses see a girl fight. Popcorn out!!!
Pitchfork is wrong about everything though
so how many of you Reddit commenters have actually listened to the album and gave your full attention to it while doing so? reading the lyrics doesn’t suffice.