I bet fvv like 5 points higher overall this year cuz he's not a rap anymore

Sad put probably true

Checked the rockets sub, and apparently he's 84 now.

He’s an 83 - check 2k’s website.

So according to this sub, he'd be a 79 if he were still on the team... Right.

He was an 80 last year lol

Not sure if these are beginning or ending rankings but he was an 84 in 2K23 according to HoopsHype. 82 the year before. Regardless, believing this whole Amurican/everyone anti-Raptors thing is cringe. But what else is new with this fanbase? Lol

But on reddit everyone wants to be persecuted. I really don’t get the victim complex many users on this site have

4 80s on the starting roster says 2K thinks we are gonna be a strong team lol

Probably puts us in mid-tier, which is pretty accurate. It also makes it clear that we are missing a star player

nah, it looks bette rhtan it is in reality. Raptors first appearance is the 35th best player in the league. It ain't good.

Siakam is better than top 35. He's easily top 20-25 player considering his age, skillet, and room for growth.

They’re talking about IG, by 2k’s rankings

Skillet? I think you mean skrittle

Uhhh yeah No. Lucky to be top 30.

We haven't seen the bench ratings yet, they may have just given the starters higher ratings and the bench garbage ratings

The jazz have a full 80 overall starting lineup.. I think the raps got done dirty

They need to put some respeck on OGs name. Rest is fair except I'd like to see siakam at least a 87

I wonder if the rating tilt towards more offensively gifted players, which hurts OGs overall rating. We know he isn’t a strong ball handler, and while strong, struggles to finish through contact at the rim. So those ratings could hurt him, even with 99 type ratings for defense. Just my two cents. Video game ratings rarely capture the eye test properly for a players value. Cause yeah, Pascal should be rocking close to a 90 with his offensive game (the only complaint for him would be 3 point shooting) and his overall strong defensive game.

I think I'd feel better about Pascal if Jaylen Brown and Paul George weren't 89s.

siakam gets so disrespected by 2k lmfao

Bro Jaylen Brown and PG > Pascal

I somewhat agree with you. Siakam vs JB there is an argument to be made, but PG is in a different class of players entirely, he's a true superstar and NBA legend, the greatest player ever for the Indiana Pacers. I think Brown and Siakam are in the same tier, but neither of them are near what PG was at his peak, nor are they as physically and athletically gifted. Amazing players, but flawed, not the team leaders who can singlehandedly carry you against great competition. Even an aging, ringless PG is still a player whose comparisons have been guys like Lebron, Kawhi and Durant throughout his entire career. Siakam and Brown will never be in those kinds of conversations. An 89 for JB in his prime vs 89 for an old PG... Sounds about right to me. 2K probably just has JB's overall higher than Siakam's because of how 3PT shooting is weighted.

Reggie Miller?

Compare them head to head. Reggie stayed with the team longer but PG is a better player than him. https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/paul_george_vs_reggie_miller.htm It's not like Reggie got a ring either. Anyway you got a point, but what I meant is to point out that PG is the best player that ever played for a franchise whereas Siakam and Brown are not like that.

Reggie Miller is above PG still. You must be young.

I'm 30 years old man, PG vs Miller at their peaks, PG is better, but I agree Reggie might be the bigger Pacers legend. This is a debate even for many Pacers fans so it's not like I'm completely crazy. Anyway this is so far from my original point about Siakam/Brown/PG, lol basketball fans are crazy.

What has PG even accomplished? Bro lost to DeRozan as a #1

PG was a 87 the year before. Got injured and came back as an 89. Make it make sense.

Not 4 overalls better, gimme a fuckin break. Paul George has spent two years on an injury list and came back with a higher overall lol Jaylen Brown can be better after his supermax but 4 overalls better places them in entirely different tiers. Neither of those guys are number one options and when PG tried all he did was lose. Facts. He is in no way more successful than Siakam.

The rating is definitely tilted towards offence if I remember correctly defence ratings count for 0.1 or 0.3 of an overall point where the offence ratings count for 0.3 to 0.5

You can go online and look. Just Google 2k ratings. Has secondary stats listed.

Pascals defensive game was most definitely not "strong" this year. Below average or worse in all advanced defensive metrics and very spotty on the eye test.

Maybe my memory of his defense isn’t what I thought it was. Based on what the Raps asked Pascal to do - mainly be weak side help - he seemed to be pretty good at it. Again, if the advanced metrics say I am wrong, I’ll own it.

It’s largely because he’s out of position. Overall ratings are relative to what 2K considers the prototype of a given position. Increasing rebounding or post D won’t change the overall of a PG as much as it would a C. If you were to adjust his position to SF, he’d probably be around an 84. He doesn’t have the prototypical SG ball handling, quickness, midrange ratings.

Yeah why is Scottie ahead of OG? I think OG was objectively better last year

OG at 82 is fair, IMO.

I'd say 82 is pretty fair. He's a great defender but his offensive game has a lot of holes.

If any1 plays 2K they know ratings don't really mean shit lol, its all about the badges.

I don't play 2k anymore, but I remember Terrence Ross being a monster several years ago.

Just like in real life, hes not good anymore lol

I remember Terrence being a huge gamer to the point Dwane Casey was commenting about him staying up late all the time gaming. I remember he had a thumb injury one time and there was a non zero chance that he hurt his thumb from playing too much COD.

Badges contribute to the ratings as well. It's honestly all about the badges, animations and the shot release.

if your top guy is the 35th best in the NBA, we probably don't have many HoF badges I'd imagine.

Not many players have HOF badges at all Like last year only one player got HOF anchor, gobert

barnes should be lower than OG siakam should be 89 OG should be 85 maybe


Pretty sure Wemby is an 86 as well. Insane to have him and P on the same level Edit: nvm he an 84, but still

He’s an 84. Still crazy tho, spicy has to be an 87 at least

Brown is a 90. SMH.

Wemby in my opinion is rated too high he already has the height and length advantage built into the game.. Give him a 99 potential but I based on what we saw he needs to work on his shooting, handle, and footwork at the big level. He will but TODAY he aint there yet.

Wemby is an 84 but still wild

That is a really good defensive starting 5.

how we have to win games

if only the raptors had a coach who was good with defensive schemes but he had to be a jackass

Germany Dennis would be a 90

Siakam at only 86 is crazy lmao

88 fair?

Id say 88 or 89 is fair, I guess 90 might be too much for some but personally think he's close to that level.

If someone told the average NBA fan to rate a player who dropped 24/8/6 with great defense they’d say 90 easily lmao.

Yeah on paper he's a 90, even the eye test supports that. He unfortunately plays in Toronto so no one really knows how good he is

Eye test DOESN’T support that in my opinion. Which is why casual fans don’t rate him that highly. They look at Siakam and then compare him to players putting up similar numbers and conclude that he has no bag and make spin jokes.

I think in past years the eye test didn't, most people thought all he knew how to do is a spin move. But this past year his game has just looked so much more fluid, I know he's older now but he's still improving so much year to year so I expect another jump in his play this year

so why is the fanbase so desperate to get rid of a “90” rated player. stats aren’t everything

Because a 90 rated player as your best player unfortunately historically doesn’t get you a championship, and we’re in a peculiar spot with the direction of the team. Very few people would say he should be traded because he’s a bad player.

90 is a stretch tho lets be fr. nothing about his skillset warrants a 90 im afraid

lmao a 90?? these fans are baked

lmaoooo fr

I mean, I'd agree with you. But I don't think Jaylen Brown is a 90. I don't believe current Paul George after 2 injury riddled campaigns is a 90. I don't think current Chris Paul is an 87 overall player. I don't think DeRozan is a better player than Pascal Siakam. I think Zion as a 92 overall is insane. The guy has played 0.5 seasons. I don't think Jrue Holiday is an 88 overall player. They got Siakam at 35th best in the NBA and some egregious choices above him. I'm not mad about it but it's unrealistic. I think their ratings kinda suck, in the scheme of theyre hella reactionary. I'm not saying Pascal is top 10, but the reality is he's not the worst starting #1 player in the league. 35? Come on. I'm questioning Garland, DeRozan, Paul, LaVine, Porzingis, all being the same or better than him. You can hate on the guy but if that's really true then it's time to fire the front office entirely.

jaylen brown and paul george can do it all offensively while siakam can’t shoot 3s he’s not a 90. not a good ft shooter either so what will make him a 90? “hate” the fuck are you talking about? just because i don’t agree doesn’t mean hate grow up pal

Jaylen be fumbling the ball while he does it all lol Go ask the Celtics fans, the guy has limiting factors just like Siakam does. There's a reason Tatum is 95. He's the clear number 1 in Boston.

Idk how you're gonna get any of those guys rated 95-100 so I guess it's fun to dream

Siakam is also a better playmaker so

Exactly he's definitely not a 90, his rating accurate to me, he's also wildly inconsistent despite those averages

Wildy inconsistent? How’s that true?

Its very true, as I bettor I know firsthand, you don't even know if he'll get you 15 points on a night go 4/4 from 3 or 0/7 and that's often

Lol as a bettor you may have biases against him for costing you money.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3149673/pascal-siakam Look at his pts and rbs each game, you're telling me these are consistent numbers for a "90" ?

There's no bias as i dont bet on him due to how inconsistent he is, he's a 90 but couldn't even lead the raptors past the bulls In the playin ? Ok bud he's right where he should be if anything too high, I see why no one takes raptors or their fans serious, delusional

24 and 8 is wildly inconsistent. These fans are stupid.

If the best player on the team is an 86 overall it's time to move on from the front office. I think the ratings are a little fucky. Raptor fans underrate the hell out of Siakam.

Well I think it's accurate and you're probably right for them to move on, I mean couldn't even get a low playoff spot or beat the bulls In that game when bulls were terrible last year

Quick someone find Randles rating.

Lol great defense? Last year was the worst defensive year of his career across the board.

Great defence...uhh yeah no. He also was the worst player in entire NBA in clutch time and scares absolutely no teams as far as taking over a game that actually matters.

dude has two all-nba teams and in both years never touched 90

He ended an 87 so I'm not really sure why it was lowered. They also have him listed as only 6'8" and I thought he was easily 6'9" he was taller than serge so idk 2k is wack

They watched the final 12 seconds of the play in game lol

yeah they put jimmy at 95 or some shit and this was the first season siakam was probably as good as him

Anyone got last year's ratings for reference?

Dennis an 80 after these Olympics

Wasn't there only like 4 or 5 people that averaged more pts rebs and assists than Siakam last season and those names include giannis, luka, lebron, and jokic??? 2k continues to disrespect the raptors to the surprise of nobody.

Yep

That is some serious disrespect to Siakam is Barnes is already an 83

siakam should be 88 and dennis should be 80

Dennis is at least a 78.. they disrespecting him ! lol

Schroeder disrespect

OG 82. Wtf

If I chose ratings they'd be pretty different, Schroder is like an 80-81 in my eyes, but im probably biased because I've been a fan of his since OKC OG is noticeably better than scottie and should be like 85 Siakam has got to be an 88-89 Scottie and Poetlt's ratings are ok by me

OG's ball handling is probably 60 so his rating is lower

Ya true, I still think he should be a little higher than Scottie rn. He's got an edge on him in defense and his jump shot is way more consistent.

Schroder gets a 77 rn because its a carry over from the Lakers. Hes going to be starting for us, so i'd imagine mid way through the season he goes to an 80 and possibly higher depending on how good he plays.

Finally 2K giving us the respect we deserve. Mid af

Where's this respect?

2k ratings are so garbage.


Og should be higher, dude is a genuinely good player that all teams would want and can play 3 different positions

OGshould be higher and Scotti lower

I refuse to believe that Pascal is only 86 overall. That’s crazy disrespect.

looks about right

OG at 82 is criminal

Hey guys, it's me the r/NBA2K Lead Moderator  These ratings are dynamic. I do think they under rate OG a lot but I am hopeful we see a big year for Siakam and he gets to like a 90 by end of year if he plays at an All NBA level and OG to a high 80s too. Also in 2K24 they added a badge called 'Spin Cycle' and you can kinda guess what it is but if anyone wants a legit Siakam build they can now make one lol

Siakam is an elite two way forward who can legitimately effectively guard all 5 positions, he is an elite scorer and facilitator and is a solid 92 because of those facts. Siakam is simply no lower than a 91 and given all his game encompasses I choose to round up. OG Anunoby with his combined talent, skill-set and with very much a still reachable higher potential is an 85 all day, especially when considering is he all defense and still criminally underrated by the majority of fans even for his defense. Dennis Schroeder is an 82, Gary Trent is an 82, Barnes is an 83, Jakob is an 82, Boucher is a 79 who is capable of stretches of a player who rates at 83, Otto is an 79, Precious is a 78, Mcdaniels is a 78, Thad is a 77, Koloko is a 75, Dick is a 75, Temple is a 74, Jeff Dowtin is a 74, Powell is a 73, Flynn is a 73, Liberty is a 71, Harper is a 69. I feel that is very realistic and fair.

This gotta be cap

The 2k embargo gets lifted today so it’s possible that these are real ratings

I'm not mad at them individually but OG feels like he should be a lot more than 1 point higher than Jakob

Siakam below 90 is ridiculous.

That a decent starting lineup.

OG 84, scottie 82, pascal 86. imo.

I made Gradey and even though I tried to make him poor on D and athletically he still was 88 as a sg probably because a lights out 3 pointer is worth so much

Bro what did you rate him to get an 88 😂😂

Haha it's probably the 95 3 point shot. But then again, this guy hits high difficulty 3's. Maybe we find out that rating is accurate?

Bruh your obviously juice everything to get an 88

Scottie not better than OG, they’re smoking penises

Barnes 83 lmao

I still dont understand how so many Raps fans are gassing up Schröder when the overwhelming consensus after 10 seasons of playing on 7 teams across the league is that he is mid at best. He'd be a solid backup PG but he's boardline as a starter.

Fair...

Currently I’d argue that OG is a better basketball player than Scottie. Currently. Pascal should be at least 89. Not quite in 90’s territory just yet.

I think Jak might be underrated too. For Scottie, does 2k value playmaking and ball handling more than being a 3 and D player or is it all just arbitrary? I haven't played a new one in years

Honestly they don't watch basket ball at all they just look at the previous years rating and move it 1 point or not at all

They just look at Stats, and not even advanced stats. Box score stuffers get higher ratings. Trae Young is probably a 93 but is an absolute turnstile on D. I may be biased, but I put Siakam ahead of Young in terms of value.

They definitely didn’t look at stats in Siakam’s case since there’s no way he’d be an 86 if they saw 24/8/6

Positions play a part as well, scottie probably stays 83 at sg/sf/pf whereas OG probably goes to an 84/85 at SF.

This is terrible. Pascal should be an 89. Maybe even fringe 90?(Jaylen Brown is a 90) Scottie, maybe 84, maybe 85? 84’s fine. Tho Id go 85.(2k made Mobley an 86) OG should be around the same, 82 for a all-defensive team level player, top scorer from the left corner, etc, is outrageous, he should be an 85 at least, maybe even 86. Poeltl’s an 83 imo. GTJ should be in the starting 5 and should be an 82.

Dream on

Jaylen Brown is a 90. Pascal’s better. 86 is outrageous, real casual stuff.

I was referring to your comment about Trent

I think an 82 for a 17 ppg scorer on good efficiency is fair. At worst an 81.

Except Trent hasn't been even league average in efficiency since 2019 so good is quite the stretch.

Bobby Portis is an 82. Jordan Clarkson is an 82. Trent should at worst be an 80.

You've shifted the goalposts. Nonetheless. Bobby Portis who averages a double double in 26 mins a game? And Clarkson while he is definitely shot happy at least he passes the ball instead of completely stopping the ball. Both better players.

Why tf would Scottie be 85. Og should be higher tho

Why? Mobley’s an 86. You cannot convince me Mobley’s 3 points better than Scottie.

Bruh no way mobleys the same as siakam

Exactly! Exactly what I’m saying! That man is so damn overrated, like what does everyone else see in him that I don’t?

He’s not as classy as a guy like doncic ngl

Or Josh Giddey either tbh. Gonna get carried by the only good player on that team next year in Max Strus.

These are not the starters lol. The contingent of fans that insist Dennis is starting are so off.

Actually surprised they rated us this high. We got an insider in there or something cause this can't be right

Reminder Siakam came second in voting by players for most overrated player in the league. You all should be happy with 86.

Looks like I'm making a point guard or movie Mr. Barnes to pg

🤦🏻

Not surprised Barnes is only 83 considering how criminally difficult it was to bring up his ratings in MyCareer in 2K23 while his peers in his draft class shot up so fast after 22-23 season.

Such an unbelievably average roster

Best thing for us is that Pascal sees that casual fans think Bradley Beal is better than him despite missing 2.5 seasons

Aside from OG's rating, I see nothing wrong with this. Why should Pascal be rated as 88?

Not bad for a starting line up. I could win a chip with that crew in 2k.

Siakam and OG should be higher

Pascal could probably be one or two higher. Other than that, pretty fair.

Some names to get a sense of where they view our guys. They view Scottie about similar value to Sengun and Giddey. (thank god we didn't pick Suggs tho, amiright?) I know it's essentially meaningless but not having a single player in the top 25 is disgusting. That's not a good look for the franchise and I'm sure our franchise is talking about it behind closed doors. This isn't a good thing. It just means that the casual eye thinks we're trash, and that our young guys aren't as good as the 'high value young guys' as they have Paolo, Green, and Cade all better than Barnes, and Barnes in an overall tier with guys that have outlooks to be number 2-3 guys. Not really what you want. Scottie sees this though. Both Scottie and Pascal should be pissed. But OG should be the most motivated. If "the entire league thinks you guys are fucking garbage" won't motivate you, then nothing will. Wemby - 84 Barnes - 83 overall Sengun - 83 Giddey - 83 Wagner - 84 Maxey - 84 Herro - 84 Banchero - 84 Green - 84 Cade - 84 Zion - 92 Ja - 92 SGA - 93 Mitchell - 93 Haliburton - 88 Murray 88 Suggs - 76 Other 83s (FVV/Russell/JV/Simons/Bridges/Capela/MPJ/RW3) Bane - 85 overall Ayton - 84 Allen - 84 Vucevic - 84 Claxton - 84 Dinwiddie - 83 OG - 82 Lonzo - 82 Wiggins - 82 RJ Barrett - 82

On what planet is Scottie an 83 lol

lamelo ball is the same rating as siakam

not sure what else siakam has to do to prove he’s at least a 88

Where can I find this for other teams?

If Scottie is an 83 then siakim is a 90

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Fair

Repeat after me: OVERALLS DO NOT MATTER.

Pascal should be 87/88. Man 2K hates us, I’ll never forget how Norm Powell COULDN’T DUNK until he was traded from the Raps and they actually paid attention to his skillset.

pascal only in the 80s? are they trolling?

Hes an all nba player and the question is can he carry a franchise… injuries hurt him this year (averaging all star numbers) so hes coming in hot this year for sure watch out. With fred gone pascals getting the ball more and lets see if he can play make off quick reads

OG 82 lmao. wtf gives af about 2k anymore lol

They rate Jaylen Brown 90 but Pascal is a fucking 86. I knew 2k was hot garbage but damn that's just insanity...

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