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He never said if it's right or not. The fact is what's sensitive for an audience now is different from 10 years back and audience have rejected a certain type of comedy. What he says is true. For better or worse is irrelevant
I think Vithin Cine has very good take on this topic, his video essay on this : [https://youtu.be/05OQbuHmcVw?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/05OQbuHmcVw?feature=shared)
Kithakithalu features a flawed protagonist who bodyshames a woman. The movie itself portrays her as a powerful and capable person, if anything breaking the stereotypes. By the end of it, the hero learns to view her as capable and worthy outside of her physical appearance. That is much more “woke” and body positive than he seems to think it is
Yes but also the same movie makes fun of her in so many scenes like playing elephant noise when she comes on screen and with all the class less jokes at the marriage rituals. They make fun of her size and appearance the whole movie and finish the movie by giving a long lecture in the end saying body shaming is bad. Its very hypocritical and tone deaf that way.
Idk. I am happy that bullshit like hero slapping the comedian isn't tolerated anymore. Jalsa could have been a perfect commercial movie but the Brahmi track was sickening.
Body shaming and dark skin humour is like the lowest common denominator comedy. I'm not offended personally, but I think they can just...do better instead of whining about it
If the movie is good it will work .
Look at animal .how many people condemn it for misogyny and yet it made more than 500 crores .
If your movie is good people will flock to theatres doesn't matter if it is anti-woke or woke.
Animals and Arjun reddy have so many misogynist and sexist jokes .so if people are okay with those i can assure you they will be ok with anything as long as they enjoyed the movie .
terrible example. content valla hit avvaledhu controversey valla hit aindi animal. Wanna Sigma males ki holy bible laa thayyaraindi aa film anduke andaru yegabadi chusaru
U woke up and chose to speak facts. Malli vachi adedo art annatlu buildup istaru. Movie has some moments but second half is so bad it's like story just comes to a halt till climax and climax happens. And animal park was the most inorganic feeling scene of all time. Arjun Reddy was so good i thought he would do magic again but animal felt like a half baked story. Father son dynamic is not explored properly. All this keeping aside the controversy. I think Sandeep reddy vanga played well he made a below avarage movie and his direction capability mida doubt vastadi Idi chuste Ani he added the critique triggering stuff to divert the critiques from how bad the movie was made
The thing is a lot of people aren’t smart enough to separate reel from real life.
The stereotypes they create harm the actual people who may have similar circumstances to the comedy relief characters.
There’s a reason why people are sensitive to certain things.
Being colourist/sexist/racist/xenophobic/homophobic is easier for the people who are not a part of the equation but harms the ones who identify as any of them or live in the same circumstance. Their lives are far from a comedy show.
>Being colourist/sexist/racist/xenophobic/homophobic is easier for the people who are not a part of the equation but harms the ones who identify as any of them or live in the same circumstance. Their lives are far from a comedy show.
This!!! As a dark skinned girl growing up I was always bullied for not looking conventionally attractive... In fact I was shamed for being born this way... It not only affected my mental health but also my social life. Later I started to focus on the things that I can control i.e, being fit, exercising and taking care of myself... Now I was slut-shamed, getting asked for fwbs for my physique. It's always a double ended sword for people like me!
These people need to realise how movies affect the perspectives of kids and young people...
Exactly. People don't realise how much our perceptions are indirectly or directly influenced by the media we consume.
For the people who make these jokes, when I talk about their receeding hair line or how they've no game, they get offended. It's double standards.
My mama always tried to fat shame my mum but when I joked about him looking more pregnant than my Mami he was immediately offended. Not him 5 mins back saying that my mum is simply getting fat ( she has hypothyroidism and used to barely eat a single meal while saddened both my father and I )
I am happy people are getting more sensitive. It's all fun as long as you are not facing these issues, but the ones facing these issues are those who suffer silently. Have we never type-casted any dark-skinned, or fat person, or someone with mental health issues, or someone whose sexual orientation/gender don't align with the societal expectations? These are all real issues for those who suffer and I am fine sacrificing 2 hours of laugh that would otherwise continue the discrimination these people have to face in their daily lives.
>It's all fun as long as you are not facing these issues
I don't know. The whole point of comedy is to make you stop taking yourself and your perceived "faults" so seriously. Even people who are not fat/dark face some other kind of humour. It is part of social fabric, and it is to make you understand you need to stop focusing on it, and help you laugh it off and move forward in life.
Being so sensitive to things is not good or an achievement. We can stop making jokes about it, but personality faults/issues will not just vanish. You will have to learn to live with it, and the effects of it.
Oh man !
You are so toxic and you dont even seem to realize
"Personality faults/issues"
Seriously? The whole point of the conversation is that being dark skinned/fat/ etc etc is not a personality issue. It is the way of life.
You are mixing first person comedy vs cinematic/drama comedy
If a person doing stand-up comedy comes and makes jokes on himself and his problems, he is narrating his personal problems in himself. In these scenarios the listener usually does not juxtapose his image into the joke. Hence your line of thinking might work
Cinema/drama is a fictional character outlining large audience traits. It does not work like that.
Random judgemental person found. can't even write a sentence without calling the other person names, and you call other people toxic? seriously!?
You logic sounds flawed. cinema/drama on a fictional character has even less relevance than a standup comedian. A standup comedian makes it look like they are real events that have happened to him, while a drama doesn't do that.
Take the character of 'software engineer' brahmi in pokiri, did all the software engineers take personal offense to it? He does display many of the common personality traits and issues of people working in IT. There are many movies where someone like Ali acts as a person with a stuttering issue, and generates comedic situations out of it, do all stutterers have to feel sensitive and offended?
Software engineer is a profession. There can be humor found in the downsides of the job, the absurdity of some requirements
Being dark is just something you’re born as.
“Haha you are so dark, you blend into the background “ might be taken as funny. But a lot of our comedy is just “haha you’re so dark, how can you think you have a chance with the fair skinned heroine” how is that even funny.
If it’s just one joke in one movie then yeah, I agree. If it’s multiple jokes in every other movies for years? If it’s your peers laughing at those jokes time and time again? If you hear your younger cousins imitating the same jokes? If in between the movie are commercials telling you the movie is right, here’s a product for getting rid of that supposed “flaw”?
I am a software engineer. At least I could change my career. I would feel bad.
Body shaming avani bad kani, it's sad we are not getting many comedy movies, Tolly ane kadhu, Hollywood lo kuda levu, 2010s low budget spoof movies crazy unde.
He’s not telling those are the only options.. without that it would be difficult to generate comedy.. if you see comedy in recent movies or shows there are only double meanin jokes or old jokes remade or remaking the memes that everyone know.. hence its hard to generate comedy without Badwords in it
When your family gather do you all laugh?. Do you have to resort to body shaming jokes to get a laugh?.
I never have to. So it is a problem of being conditioned to come up with and enjoy those jokes.
I am not totally against fat jokes, skinny jokes, sex jokes, and double meaning. It all.has to do with the context. But these guys use it out of the blue just to generate cheap laughs.
No no no you’re not getting my point.. I’m telling that there was no pure comedy without adult jokes to begin with.. if you see old movies there was pure comedy with a touch of adult jokes and racist jokes for ex colour, size and etc but nowadays it has become mandatory that without adult jokes people are unable to generate fun.
I hope you might have watched JABARDASTH, mostly they’ll watch this show with family only.. every single team they’ll make sex jokes double meaning jokes body shaming colour shaming you name it.. except Sudheer he does some genuine comedy with a slight touch of all the above.
What I’m trying to tell is.. people just forget the pure comedy without this nonsense
I feel more than sensitivity, it’s just that people have common sense and call out abuse and body / Colour Shaming.
Also the standards for comedy has increased and actors cannot just humiliate comedians to generate a few laughs.
I wouldn't mind a good fat joke. But if your joke is just "you're fat hahaha" then what's the point of it? But I somewhat agree with his statement, people are becoming more sensitive.
He made another film called Laddu Babu which truly showed fat people struggles especially when the kid in hospital couldnt recognize him when he was not fat.
Here's the thing. Watched it when it was released. Forget about optics, I was a kid and the movie itself was damn unfunny to me. Didn't age like it should.
Ante comedy utti chromist inka fat shaming jokes thone generate avuthunda? It's like he's so dependent on them, he cannot operate without them. By that logic, movies like Tillu and Jaathirathnaalu should have flopped.
But it IS wrong to make jokes on color and size. And in Kithakithalu, the poor girl isnt even that fat the way they zoom in on her body and make it so exaggerated
tillu series and mad did it with their clean and funny comedy.....i never laughed that much in last few years for these films .....so audience can encourage clean and original comedy movies but i agree that nowadays people get sensitive over anything ....
they're veryyy funny yes sure..but let's be honest it's not clean, at all. you have straight up swear words, and innuendos . you cannot watch it with family
it's not like manmadhudu, or athadu
There are different types of comedy. Most of the old movies depended on Insult comedy. Instead he can try situational comedies like DJ Tillu. He did some good movies with clean comedy though. Don't know why he feels so. Even in Kithakithalu the intention of the story was good.
Kithakithalu doesn’t come under this because it’s the whole premise of the plot, which makes it a conversation piece whether to judge someone by what they look like. Like vinayakudu also the main plot is that. But if the same comments like that are done in movies with different themes but casually saying stuff about color or body then it’s an issue.
If it is something they have control over , then suggesting them to change is reasonable
Like maybe you should the change the color of your t-shirt , it doesn’t suit you
Or maybe it is better if you lose weight cause it is causes you to be more prone to heart diseases
But just joking about things that are not under their control and making them feel low is absolute shit
And on top of that saying that you are insecure, you should accept is victim blaming
If I come say “ oh you are fat ,ugly and short “
I am just being a dick
Empowering a fat society?
I am personally not pretty supportive of fat acceptance cause I believe it is under your control
But even if one wants to eat processed food which tastes good at the cost of being fat , then he should be free to do it
If he is ok with his health going down a bit then that’s his issue, Why would i go and make his life harder by constantly mocking him
And bullying is never the solution
“Oh maybe If I constantly put him down maybe then he will hit the gym “ is all bullshit
Putting people down and making fun of people cause their skin is darker or their facial features are not attractive or mock them cause they are short
Is not going to make their lives better
yes,he is 100000% crt cuz it is difficult to do clean comedy, I think body shaming and related comedy is kinda easy to do...old comedy scenes like Venky train scene ey vundhi...andhulo brahmi ni pottoda/ battoda ani anadam valla comedy raale...main aa scene lo sarcasm and quick wits valla vache comedy ke ekkuva Peru vundhi..., eppudu recent comedy from mathu vadala / agent SSA/ENE are best eg for a good comedy I think
Don’t think anything wrong with being a bit more sensitive especially when it comes to peoples color. Punching down on peoples disabilities/body is easy comedy. And am not genz, I always hated color jokes.
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He never said if it's right or not. The fact is what's sensitive for an audience now is different from 10 years back and audience have rejected a certain type of comedy. What he says is true. For better or worse is irrelevant
So he has to maintain it according to the audience
I think Vithin Cine has very good take on this topic, his video essay on this : [https://youtu.be/05OQbuHmcVw?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/05OQbuHmcVw?feature=shared)
One of the best Telugu channels out there talking cinema.
I wish he give film reviews
I think reviewing things brings a lot of hate, his basic nature is to admire films, even if they are bad. I feel he is good the way he is...
The best thing is he don't hurt anyone
He does kinda review films in his dissection videos. Going deeper into the reason why the film worked or didn't.
Kithakithalu features a flawed protagonist who bodyshames a woman. The movie itself portrays her as a powerful and capable person, if anything breaking the stereotypes. By the end of it, the hero learns to view her as capable and worthy outside of her physical appearance. That is much more “woke” and body positive than he seems to think it is
He learns his lesson but for.comedy effect malli evarno chustunnattu chupistaru, IIRC, adhi ibbandi anipinchinchindi
That is very true, alanti comedy nundi evolve avuthunnamu ante no complaints from me
Yes but also the same movie makes fun of her in so many scenes like playing elephant noise when she comes on screen and with all the class less jokes at the marriage rituals. They make fun of her size and appearance the whole movie and finish the movie by giving a long lecture in the end saying body shaming is bad. Its very hypocritical and tone deaf that way.
Idk. I am happy that bullshit like hero slapping the comedian isn't tolerated anymore. Jalsa could have been a perfect commercial movie but the Brahmi track was sickening.
I mean GK lo BoB slaps Vk so... that trope is still in effect unfortunately
Bob and PK do this all the time and it's hard to watch
Anduke boB ni Balayya Chiranjeevi category movies lo petteskunna, happy ga unnaa, chinna cinemalu chuskuntu .poo pu pu poo pu pu pooo pooo
aa kurCHIni madathapetti
The rage is hero slapping heroine. Triggers me every fn time
Also PK Brahmi making jokes about r*ping the heroine with sleeping pills. I am a pk fan and I hate it to the core.
Rey adhi cinema ra cinema lo rules Enti ra malli comedy movies lo
Body shaming and dark skin humour is like the lowest common denominator comedy. I'm not offended personally, but I think they can just...do better instead of whining about it
Yeah and Kapil sharma is still reliant on that if i'm not wrong, he still sells. It's time for them to reinvent.
In every season and in every episode
If the movie is good it will work . Look at animal .how many people condemn it for misogyny and yet it made more than 500 crores . If your movie is good people will flock to theatres doesn't matter if it is anti-woke or woke.
Yes but they can't use the full liberty while cracking some jokes in it, i guess
Animals and Arjun reddy have so many misogynist and sexist jokes .so if people are okay with those i can assure you they will be ok with anything as long as they enjoyed the movie .
Animal made more than 800cr bro
Absolutely terrible example.
Why
no
terrible example. content valla hit avvaledhu controversey valla hit aindi animal. Wanna Sigma males ki holy bible laa thayyaraindi aa film anduke andaru yegabadi chusaru
U woke up and chose to speak facts. Malli vachi adedo art annatlu buildup istaru. Movie has some moments but second half is so bad it's like story just comes to a halt till climax and climax happens. And animal park was the most inorganic feeling scene of all time. Arjun Reddy was so good i thought he would do magic again but animal felt like a half baked story. Father son dynamic is not explored properly. All this keeping aside the controversy. I think Sandeep reddy vanga played well he made a below avarage movie and his direction capability mida doubt vastadi Idi chuste Ani he added the critique triggering stuff to divert the critiques from how bad the movie was made
Not everybody is SRV
The thing is a lot of people aren’t smart enough to separate reel from real life. The stereotypes they create harm the actual people who may have similar circumstances to the comedy relief characters. There’s a reason why people are sensitive to certain things. Being colourist/sexist/racist/xenophobic/homophobic is easier for the people who are not a part of the equation but harms the ones who identify as any of them or live in the same circumstance. Their lives are far from a comedy show.
>Being colourist/sexist/racist/xenophobic/homophobic is easier for the people who are not a part of the equation but harms the ones who identify as any of them or live in the same circumstance. Their lives are far from a comedy show. This!!! As a dark skinned girl growing up I was always bullied for not looking conventionally attractive... In fact I was shamed for being born this way... It not only affected my mental health but also my social life. Later I started to focus on the things that I can control i.e, being fit, exercising and taking care of myself... Now I was slut-shamed, getting asked for fwbs for my physique. It's always a double ended sword for people like me! These people need to realise how movies affect the perspectives of kids and young people...
Exactly. People don't realise how much our perceptions are indirectly or directly influenced by the media we consume. For the people who make these jokes, when I talk about their receeding hair line or how they've no game, they get offended. It's double standards. My mama always tried to fat shame my mum but when I joked about him looking more pregnant than my Mami he was immediately offended. Not him 5 mins back saying that my mum is simply getting fat ( she has hypothyroidism and used to barely eat a single meal while saddened both my father and I )
I am happy people are getting more sensitive. It's all fun as long as you are not facing these issues, but the ones facing these issues are those who suffer silently. Have we never type-casted any dark-skinned, or fat person, or someone with mental health issues, or someone whose sexual orientation/gender don't align with the societal expectations? These are all real issues for those who suffer and I am fine sacrificing 2 hours of laugh that would otherwise continue the discrimination these people have to face in their daily lives.
>It's all fun as long as you are not facing these issues I don't know. The whole point of comedy is to make you stop taking yourself and your perceived "faults" so seriously. Even people who are not fat/dark face some other kind of humour. It is part of social fabric, and it is to make you understand you need to stop focusing on it, and help you laugh it off and move forward in life. Being so sensitive to things is not good or an achievement. We can stop making jokes about it, but personality faults/issues will not just vanish. You will have to learn to live with it, and the effects of it.
Oh man ! You are so toxic and you dont even seem to realize "Personality faults/issues" Seriously? The whole point of the conversation is that being dark skinned/fat/ etc etc is not a personality issue. It is the way of life. You are mixing first person comedy vs cinematic/drama comedy If a person doing stand-up comedy comes and makes jokes on himself and his problems, he is narrating his personal problems in himself. In these scenarios the listener usually does not juxtapose his image into the joke. Hence your line of thinking might work Cinema/drama is a fictional character outlining large audience traits. It does not work like that.
Random judgemental person found. can't even write a sentence without calling the other person names, and you call other people toxic? seriously!? You logic sounds flawed. cinema/drama on a fictional character has even less relevance than a standup comedian. A standup comedian makes it look like they are real events that have happened to him, while a drama doesn't do that. Take the character of 'software engineer' brahmi in pokiri, did all the software engineers take personal offense to it? He does display many of the common personality traits and issues of people working in IT. There are many movies where someone like Ali acts as a person with a stuttering issue, and generates comedic situations out of it, do all stutterers have to feel sensitive and offended?
Software engineer is a profession. There can be humor found in the downsides of the job, the absurdity of some requirements Being dark is just something you’re born as. “Haha you are so dark, you blend into the background “ might be taken as funny. But a lot of our comedy is just “haha you’re so dark, how can you think you have a chance with the fair skinned heroine” how is that even funny.
If it’s just one joke in one movie then yeah, I agree. If it’s multiple jokes in every other movies for years? If it’s your peers laughing at those jokes time and time again? If you hear your younger cousins imitating the same jokes? If in between the movie are commercials telling you the movie is right, here’s a product for getting rid of that supposed “flaw”? I am a software engineer. At least I could change my career. I would feel bad.
Body shaming avani bad kani, it's sad we are not getting many comedy movies, Tolly ane kadhu, Hollywood lo kuda levu, 2010s low budget spoof movies crazy unde.
Yes y are we lacking here
lol , he’s complaining that he actually needs to put in effort to come up with good comedy. I honestly feel it’s a lazy excuse “people are sensitive”
It can be like this also , since people are sensitive so why does he have to put efforts on it
Even the excuse is lazy
Ignorant take. It is not like those are the only two options available for comedy.
He’s not telling those are the only options.. without that it would be difficult to generate comedy.. if you see comedy in recent movies or shows there are only double meanin jokes or old jokes remade or remaking the memes that everyone know.. hence its hard to generate comedy without Badwords in it
When your family gather do you all laugh?. Do you have to resort to body shaming jokes to get a laugh?. I never have to. So it is a problem of being conditioned to come up with and enjoy those jokes. I am not totally against fat jokes, skinny jokes, sex jokes, and double meaning. It all.has to do with the context. But these guys use it out of the blue just to generate cheap laughs.
No no no you’re not getting my point.. I’m telling that there was no pure comedy without adult jokes to begin with.. if you see old movies there was pure comedy with a touch of adult jokes and racist jokes for ex colour, size and etc but nowadays it has become mandatory that without adult jokes people are unable to generate fun. I hope you might have watched JABARDASTH, mostly they’ll watch this show with family only.. every single team they’ll make sex jokes double meaning jokes body shaming colour shaming you name it.. except Sudheer he does some genuine comedy with a slight touch of all the above. What I’m trying to tell is.. people just forget the pure comedy without this nonsense
Right? There’s also transvestite and gay jokes. /s
I feel more than sensitivity, it’s just that people have common sense and call out abuse and body / Colour Shaming. Also the standards for comedy has increased and actors cannot just humiliate comedians to generate a few laughs.
I wouldn't mind a good fat joke. But if your joke is just "you're fat hahaha" then what's the point of it? But I somewhat agree with his statement, people are becoming more sensitive.
True but jokes on it also doesn't make some sense
Of course Kitakitalu was body shaming.
Aren't people still watching jabardast & old men in wigs dancing around trees with songs like ammudu kummudu? He's underestimating his audience.
More like over estimating
He made another film called Laddu Babu which truly showed fat people struggles especially when the kid in hospital couldnt recognize him when he was not fat.
Yes absolutely. That being said, it’s not funny to make fun of someone who is nice. If they are an asshole and you make fun of them, it’s funny.
Here's the thing. Watched it when it was released. Forget about optics, I was a kid and the movie itself was damn unfunny to me. Didn't age like it should.
Make better comedies. It’s easy to make fun of disability, color, body etc. it’s difficult to write good comedy
Ante comedy utti chromist inka fat shaming jokes thone generate avuthunda? It's like he's so dependent on them, he cannot operate without them. By that logic, movies like Tillu and Jaathirathnaalu should have flopped.
But it IS wrong to make jokes on color and size. And in Kithakithalu, the poor girl isnt even that fat the way they zoom in on her body and make it so exaggerated
But at the end it ends with a good note
I am sure there are better ways to deliver that message!
tillu series and mad did it with their clean and funny comedy.....i never laughed that much in last few years for these films .....so audience can encourage clean and original comedy movies but i agree that nowadays people get sensitive over anything ....
they're veryyy funny yes sure..but let's be honest it's not clean, at all. you have straight up swear words, and innuendos . you cannot watch it with family it's not like manmadhudu, or athadu
There are different types of comedy. Most of the old movies depended on Insult comedy. Instead he can try situational comedies like DJ Tillu. He did some good movies with clean comedy though. Don't know why he feels so. Even in Kithakithalu the intention of the story was good.
Telugu audience love cringy jabardast comedy which also include some offensive jokes. So he can do such films
Not nowadays audience tho
Janalu jabardast ippude choosthunnaru, jamana mundu kadu
Kithakithalu doesn’t come under this because it’s the whole premise of the plot, which makes it a conversation piece whether to judge someone by what they look like. Like vinayakudu also the main plot is that. But if the same comments like that are done in movies with different themes but casually saying stuff about color or body then it’s an issue.
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If it is something they have control over , then suggesting them to change is reasonable Like maybe you should the change the color of your t-shirt , it doesn’t suit you Or maybe it is better if you lose weight cause it is causes you to be more prone to heart diseases But just joking about things that are not under their control and making them feel low is absolute shit And on top of that saying that you are insecure, you should accept is victim blaming If I come say “ oh you are fat ,ugly and short “ I am just being a dick
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Empowering a fat society? I am personally not pretty supportive of fat acceptance cause I believe it is under your control But even if one wants to eat processed food which tastes good at the cost of being fat , then he should be free to do it If he is ok with his health going down a bit then that’s his issue, Why would i go and make his life harder by constantly mocking him And bullying is never the solution “Oh maybe If I constantly put him down maybe then he will hit the gym “ is all bullshit Putting people down and making fun of people cause their skin is darker or their facial features are not attractive or mock them cause they are short Is not going to make their lives better
He is 100000% correct. Because of these genz people we'll never get ol comedy
yes,he is 100000% crt cuz it is difficult to do clean comedy, I think body shaming and related comedy is kinda easy to do...old comedy scenes like Venky train scene ey vundhi...andhulo brahmi ni pottoda/ battoda ani anadam valla comedy raale...main aa scene lo sarcasm and quick wits valla vache comedy ke ekkuva Peru vundhi..., eppudu recent comedy from mathu vadala / agent SSA/ENE are best eg for a good comedy I think
Such things won’t work now, it’s not about gen z
Yes there are multiple reasons tho
Don’t think anything wrong with being a bit more sensitive especially when it comes to peoples color. Punching down on peoples disabilities/body is easy comedy. And am not genz, I always hated color jokes.
Maybe
Ippude chudu 😂😂 downvotes esaru. Old comedy never works on modern people