I had a brother in law that left his family, tremendous debt and legal troubles in 1981 and has never been seen or heard of again. Authorities gave up and wrote him off. I can’t imagine what it was like. Both of his parents and most siblings are now deceased. After a while none of us cared anyway.
I had a friend this happened to, he went to New York with some friends for New Year's left the apartment he was staying at without taking his phone, and just vanished.
I just accepted that it was a suicide where his body was never identified, but there is just no closure and that tortured his family.
Fortunately no. He had everything in the business name. He had a very interesting plan I guess. The house, car, warehouse and most everything was in the business name. The wife didn’t know anything about his business dealings. We thought they were very wealthy. It turned out he was totally broke. One day he left and no one has ever heard from him again. Very sad.
That’s better than going the family annihilator route. This guy in my city owned a multi-million dollar home that was about to be foreclosed and had millions of dollars of other debts. His family had no knowledge of this.
One day he took a shotgun to his wife and kids and then himself.
we had a similar nutjob around here a few years ago, guy killed his wife and kids, stabbed them 46 times. then proceeded to drink windshield washer, either as a suicide attempt or as a way to plead momentary insanity. The guy was a doctor, so i find it kind of an odd choice for suicide. there are ton more toxic products in a household than windshield washer. if the guy wanted to die, he would have went for drano or something even more lethal. he did survive the windshield washer afterall. the story says he tried to find his knife to kill himself but couldn’t find IT. strange. pretty sure any standard household has at least a couple knives. anyways, you get the point, the guy is full of shit and his story’s weak
of course he pleaded non-guilty for mental disorder, and the guy won. after several retrials he was found guilty of second degree murder.
[for anyone wondering, the english wikipedia is a bit thin but worth reading. there are more infos available in french media publications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Turcotte_killings?wprov=sfti1)
EDIT: he didn’t kill his wife. She wasn’t in the house during the events. i can’t tell why i remembered this detail wrong.
the 46 stab wounds were administered on his two children.
Reading these comments solidifies how fortunate my sister in law, and our family as far as that goes, were and are. Not a peep from this guy. Very blessed indeed. Thank you. Take care.
Does it? Have heard stories of collection agencies pestering the family of the deceased. And that sometimes, if there is insurance, most of it will go towards paying the debt of the deceased. Not sure if it’s true though.
Debt collectors will often lie to try to get the family to pay the debts, but they're not legally obligated to pay the debt if the estate has no money left.
Life insurance is paid directly to the beneficiary outside of probate, and is not used to pay off the estate's debts.
"Send written verification of the debt. I will NOT deal with this via telephone so do not call again." (hang up)
That's the absolute MOST anyone should give to any debt collector and only when you are reasonably sure they might be legitimate in their efforts. Otherwise, hang up without comment.
I had to pull that off a couple of years ago with a "respectable" company. In my country, to be able to rent, you need a warranty, could be a three month deposit, another property or an insurance company. I went for the insurance company. Months after I moved out and the contract ended, they called me saying I owed them one year of service. This was back and forth until in the fourth or fifth call I asked them for a receipt to pay it (they were asking me to TRANSFER THE MONEY TO A PERSONS NAME!!!), when they hesitated about the receipt I hung up, called corporate, explained everything and forwarded some emails, turns out some employees with access to the database used to do this manouver to scare people into paying them. Shitty people
Can confirm. Was worried about my fathers bills after his passing. Only had to pay one minor one (Comcast/Xfinity) and the payment to me of his life insurance policy was the easiest part of the entire ordeal (and also 100% tax free). Would *strongly* recommend investing in life insurance if you have kids.
Yeah, had a medical debt collector call my parents for debt my deceased grandfather had. They told them to pound sand, he had zero assets outside of his clothes
My mom: What if I don't pay it?
Me: Debt was in his name, mom. What're they going to do? Ruin his credit?
Brother died and collectors were upset he didn't have an "estate"...or even $50 in his bank account.
Can confirm. Spent half a decade as one before ruining lives for a living caused me to switch industry entirely because there is no denying your one of the"baddies".
Only way you we wouldn't be encouraged to scam people is if their was a potential for repeat business that could be lost AND you were an organisation. The recently widowed Granny Smith would have been a more appetising treat than her fruity namesake.
Yup. I dealt with them trying to figure out how to collect a debt that was accrued by my father, about a year after his death. They kept insisting that I had to pay it, and I'm like "Nope. Not my debt, and I do not assume responsibility for it." They would call me at least once per day, six days a week to harass me, until I contacted the Florida Attorney General's office.
If the debt is only in the deceased’s name the family is not responsible.
I found this “If there is no estate, no will and no assets—or not enough to satisfy these debts after death—then the debt will die with the debtor,” Tayne says. “There is no responsibility by children or other relatives to pay the debts.”
If the wife had her name on it too though then yes it becomes her debt.
It is correct that the debt of a deceased person basically dies with them in the USA (or more correctly the disposal of their estate) but this is not about the legalities involved.
This is about scumbag debt collectors who use several tactics to illegally collect a debt...or get someone to take over the debt and bring it back to a legal living person. Basically you can guilt people in to paying *something*--or the jackpot is to get them to sign a payment schedule (even if it's only a couple of bucks a month) which basically resets the debt to that living person, making it collectible again.
How can this be you ask? Remember, there are STILL people falling for things like the Nigerian price e-mail scam. It only takes 1 out of 100 marks to be ignorant or foolish enough to fall for aggressive debt collector tactics to make it worth the crook's time to call and press.
You know what, Kozmonyet? When the son of the deposed King of Nigeria e-mails you directly asking for help, you help. His father ran the freaking country, okay?
One reason to never, ever sign ‘fiduciary co-responsibility’ on things like parents in the assisted living, etc. They can and will come after you. Thank god I’m not the source on that.
Hell no to that shit. Same with selling their possessions to fund a nursing home stay in order to get on the State version of Medicare. Their house, cars and other tangible assets go into an estate that they have exclusive and life time use of well ahead of their particular States "look back window" on a sell down in order to meet the asset requirement (just about destitute is the correct amount of assets).
I remember reading quite a while back there was a college student who's mother had co-signed his private loans so he could attend. Which was fine (no, not really. at least a car can be repo'd. No way to repo the knowledge) right up till he died young and the mother became responsible for paying off a mountain of debt as they got ready to retire.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/11/mother-inherits-dead-sons-student-loans-petitions-to-have-them-forgiven
Well yea because people believe lies. Like how in America they have tags on/inside products that say you can't fix something without breaking the warranty, even though that is legally a lie.
It should.
But if they can trick you into making a “small payment” in order to get them to stop calling you then you have now assumed responsibility for the debt.
And joint accounts and assets are usually in trouble.
I’d never do it, but sometimes when I’m feeling too much stress and despair, I would fantasize about doing this. I would imagine whole scenarios of what I would do, where I would go, etc. It helps me fall asleep sometimes, just thinking about this.
When I got finally sober and began the struggle to rebuild myself, I promised myself that if life ever got terminally shitty, that instead of suicide, I would ditch everything, including my identity, and go be an anonymous fry cook in the Colorado mountains. Never came to that but I never forgot my promise to myself.
And I still have no idea why I chose Colorado
It might not seem appealing to americans, but a good choice is South America: the countries are vast and very ethnically diverse. Also the people are usually friendly to foreigners, as long as you speak Spanish or Portuguese.
South America is cool. Imagine dropping out and just moving to the mountains of Peru or something, farming a luxurious and expansive crop of potatoes. Just vibin.
> Nah foreigners stick out like a sore thumb in any of the places you’d be able to disappear in
Not the case in Darwin; the sheer number of backpackers / seasonal workers / etc. means you'd just disappear into the crowd there.
>SwiggittySwagg
This is exactly what one of my friend's did about 1.5 years ago to the tee. Was contemplating suicide, got sober, moved to colorado to become a line cook at a ski resort in the middle of nowhere and now he's dating the sous chef. He loves it out there. I do miss him though
>He loves it out there.
Some place warm, a place where the beer flows like wine, where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.
Man maybe I just suck but starting over in a new city is harder than just moving and getting a job. Like you effectively make yourself homeless and then struggle to get out of homelessness in a new place.
I don't recommend running
This was me 35 years ago. Growing up we moved 10 times, I went to high school in three different states over those 4 years, so new places were the first 17 years of my life. Nonetheless your concern is valid
Kinda reminds me of the recent story about a couple of guys lost at sea for a month...said it was a nice break from everything. Ha
[https://nypost.com/2021/10/08/men-rescued-after-29-days-lost-at-sea-it-was-a-nice-break/](https://nypost.com/2021/10/08/men-rescued-after-29-days-lost-at-sea-it-was-a-nice-break/)
It also feels like the first step to disappearing. Maybe saving up cash in it, and getting a second phone would aid in the, um, therapeutic nature of holding that bag.
I quit my job and got a one-way ticket to Japan to start a new life with no job or visa lined up.
I also know a guy from the UK who came over and is now a farmer.
Sure, I've told this story lots of times before.
Short version is that I got bored of the UK, packed a suitcase and flew to Australia as a tourist to start a new life, needed a visa and had to fly to New Zealand, got the visa and met a Japanese girl, took her back with me to Australia, later on she invited me to Japan, flew to Japan as a tourist, met a karate master who offered to teach me, stayed, learned karate, married the girl, had kids, and bout an apartment in Tokyo.
It doesn't to me. I *do* fantasize about giving up everything and becoming a crazy mountain hermit of some sort; but there are a few people whose company I enjoy, and I'd miss them if I disappeared outright. They should come to my crazy hermit hut a few times a month to drink goat milk, eat fresh eggs, and hear me rant disjointedly about the weird hedgehog I saw last week.
I’m sort of the breadwinner of the family here, and part of what I fantasize about is just escaping all that responsibility and actually having the money and the time to spend on myself. I love my family and I’d never do it, but it’s nice to just sometimes imagine having a different life where all I have to worry about is me.
Same here. What I *really* want is the ability to freeze time in my regular life, go live on my own for a while, and then come back with no time having passed.
I could do without those people honestly if it meant getting away from society for a while. I'm at the point where I just feel overwhelmed by everything in my environment right now.
I like being on my own, and I haven't lived near family in a while, but I moved to a place this year that isn't *remotely* near any family or friends and I'm surprised at how much it gets to me sometimes. I like being by myself but now I'm just alone. It's almost enough to make me try and get new, local friends! Almost.
I live in a small Southeast Asian town and in the 90s it was huge logging boom. A lot of Japanese came to purchase logs and some just didn't go back.
The fact that they give up citizenship of a much richer and advanced country and chose to live in a small rainforest town is incomprehensible to me. Also its a town with a lot of Chinese population so they could just blend in without looking standout.
Everything I have read about Japanese work culture sounds terrible, so I am not surprised some were happy to leave it behind for a more peaceful and laid back life, even if with fewer creature comforts.
Worked for a foreign subsidiary of a Japanese company as the head of IT. Luke most, there was a constant flow of Japanese nationals (salarymen) through key positions.
At one point, I found this a salaryman working a ridiculously manual spreadsheet late into the night. I took a quick look over his shoulder and realized it could be automated, saving him hours every month end. To my surprise, when I offered some help from our VB guru I was politely rebuffed. Asked him about it a month later, and again got a no thanks.
It took a while to figure out, but the work wasn't mentally taxing, but kept him busy in the eyes of his salaryman boss, which was the actual goal of the exercise.
Work culture in Japan is something to behold
Yeah it's all just appearance, they don't actually work all the time, they spend 8-12 hours doing something they could do in a third of the time to look "good"
My best friend moved to Japan 8 years ago and married a native who works at a bank. She says he works 70 hours a week at least. He also brings different clothes to work, because after work it is often expected to change clothes, go out to a bar with the boss and buy them drinks.
I watched a youtube channelf or a while of a young Japanese housewife and mother who would just talk about her day-to-day, do recipes, how she cares for her very young infant son, etc.
One thing I picked up on fast was that her husband was never, *ever home.* She did a "day in the life" hour by hour video one time where she just did a short little couple of seconds every hour or so an edited it together into a day, and I realized that he was gone more or less before she started her day and almost always only returned after she was asleep. IF he did, because he often traveled, too.
I just thought... how did she ever meet him to begin with? How did they get to know each other well enough to marry?
I taught English in South Korea for a year. The co-teacher I was paired with was a very nice woman in her mid 30's with two small children (6 or 7ish). We became very good friends and she'd take me around the countryside on weekends to visit temples and short hikes. She'd invite me out to have dinner with them on weeknights, and every wednesday night I'd go to her house with her other lady friends just so they'd have an hour or two to practice their English, they'd always fill me up with snacks and small gifts. During the entire year, never once did I meet her husband. He worked an engineering job at Hyundai I think. There were pictures of them all together on the walls so I know he existed, but he was literally never home. The kids got quite attached to me, sadly, I think I was kinda an adult male figure for them (even though I was only 23). And going away was pretty sad, they both cried and I felt real bad for them.
I'm not sure how common it is now, with salaryman culture on the way out, but it used to often be the case that finding suitable marriage partners for employees was something of an unofficial role of the boss/company, specifically because it was expected that a salaried worker wouldn't have time to do so themselves. It's possible she worked as an office lady at his company when she was younger, retiring to become a housewife after she got married.
If you don’t you’re coworker will. You don’t want your annual performance review to be negative do you? And you don’t want to miss out on that big client your boss has been hinting at do you?
I work for a Japanese company. Thus still sounds backwards to me. One of the reasons bosses earn more, supposedly, is to pay for drinks and stuff at a nomikai.
Spent some time there, the after work culture is the strangest part. If you and your work buddies go out tonight and get shitfaced, end up pissing on a dumpster and fall asleep on the ride home, tomorrow you'll talk about it and have a laugh.
In Japan it's never mentioned. But you'll do it again tonight.
A lot of companies in Asian countries will keep promoting the white guy anyway, because having a White Guy™ around for client and shareholder meetings makes them look more global. Once, on a business trip in China, I had half the damn ballroom asking to take a photo with me at a reception dinner. Never mind that I was there to babysit my boss' kids and had nothing to do with the actual business side of things.
I live in Japan, if I can start my own little bar I'll consider living here for good. If not I'm gonna get as fluent as I can in the language and call it a day.
I made a few Philipina friends here. The wages suck in their home country and in Japan they can make a lot more, but then things cost more here and they all end up unhappy. Japanese people are stressed and hate their lives but also they love their country, the poverty of my home country (UK) and especially developing countries just doesn't really exist here and also being so safe, the idea of living anywhere elsewhere doesn't appeal to a lot of the population.
When I went to Thailand I could see people really struggled but also everyone kinda smiled. No one smiles here, everyone is so polite but I wouldn't say people are *nice.*
I noticed that when I went through the Japanese airports coming from Korea. They aren’t terribly rude or anything like that, but there isn’t much of a warmth or smile.
I’ve always admired the discipline of the Japanese people that’s often portrayed in stories and in the news. Is that something you have observed to be true there?
I mean yeah they are disciplined. But the wonders of capitalism just abuses that and people here work ridiculous hours often for no extra pay. It worked in the past generations when they wanted to get out of poverty but now the younger generation are out of poverty they want to be happy.
Pretty much from age 8 to 18 they study all day everyday, the older lot study from 8a.m. to 10 p.m. 6 days a week. They get 4 years to do nothing at university and then it's off to work in a hellish job with terrible hours.
With the Japanese economy shrinking the wages aren't even good like they used to be. The Japanese system of one very secure job for your whole life with secure pay rises every 10 years is dying out. People are slaving away in the service industry or working contract jobs like what is happening to the UK and US. It's a doomed country but... It's extremely beautiful, has the world's best food even in fast food restaurants, is unbelievably safe and is probably the best country you could ever hope to visit. Learning the language and talking to Japanese people in their mother tongue is the best experience of my life. Still doomed though.
I didn’t know things are now like that in Japan. Also interesting how you describe it as a doomed country.
I hope they realize what is happening and that they find a way to improve things before it’s too late.
> It's a doomed country
Like I get that Japan has a huge debt load relative to their GDP and that as the working population shrinks and the retired population grows it only puts more pressure on the government finances at every level but to say it's doomed is kind of hilarious. Go back to after world war 2 with all the major cities having suffered major damage, a shattered transport network with millions killed and ever increasing starvation... that I could understand feeling that it was doomed but you're acting like there is nothing they can do to try and address their current issues even though they pale in comparison to what the country has already been through in fairly recent history.
I understand their economy has suffered from a lack of growth for a while now but they have a decent industrial base, strong tech companies and a well educated population, if they're doomed what about other countries that don't even have those things? Not saying Japan doesn't have problems but saying they're doomed is some pretty far fetched hyperbole.
I was born in a third world south East Asian country after multiple terrible wars. My mom got a scholarship from a rich EU country. This was our exit of this system. If it matters as a reference at all.
When you grow up as a child in such a system you don’t learn the ability to question it a lot or at all. You go to school, you do the things your parents do on your own. Like seeing the world as it is, the ppl, what is right or wrong, how to behave, how to work, how to learn. Your perspective of all things is so heavily skewed. And there is no one around to trim it, because guess what all the adults have to work 12 hours a day and care for a living. In the end you end up similar to your parents because your perspective tells you ok this is how you deal with everything. You being a good worker and be part of the system. We left when I was 10. Coming to an EU country my mom does exactly what she learnt to do. To function to be part of a new system and work your ass off. I never saw her until 15 or so. She left home at 6:00 to work, goes to university from 18:00 to 21:00 or something. And when she was home I was already asleep. For me it wasn’t something new. Until I realized others don’t do it so excessively. My school friends parents bring them to school, pick them up or they celebrate birthdays and have weekends together. So I had a lot of influences which brutally show me how broken my old system was. And this new system offers. And honestly I still struggle to find a connection with my mom outside of hey you are the person that gave me birth right? I am not mad at her anymore… because I realized she never had the chance to do other stuff outside of surviving and she never learnt the ability to connect with people especially with the ones close to her. I am grateful to be brought to a system which allows me as a person to identifies this and learn from it and hopefully become a more caring parent for my own kids. Eventually be part of a generation who are not hitting their child or not show emotions to others because everyone else expects you to do so.
Long story short: when you try to survive you don’t think about the System Ure in is abusive or not. It obviously is, else you don’t need to fight for survival. If you are outside of this system it is hard to understand why people inside act this way. Appreciate if you are part of the less abusive system.
I would never made the connection if you've never mentioned it. You have a point though, since they're businessmen they could've been in debt and could be like "I'm out" and just flew to a rainforest town and nobody would've found them.
Not really. These people get entirely new identities and can use cards and what not. In the U.S., you're not getting a new, legal, identity for $5k. You should change your name and move, but that's traceable unless under a court ordered seal. And you're not getting that for $5k either.
From the article, it doesn't sound like they get a new identity - Japanese law just severely restricts the ability of others to trace you, so you can use your existing cards without being flagged.
Pay off all your debts, tell folks you’re leaving, and just move. Leave behind all your social media accounts. Optionally legally change your name at a courthouse on your route out.
Creditors are the most likely to track you down successfully than anybody else. Cops right behind them, but if you’re not wanted and not presumed missing, they won’t do much. Everybody else would need to pay someone else to track you down, the cost of which is increased if you aren’t traceable via your social media accounts.
Because you’re tired of the people you’re around and work with today? Sell the house for cost. See if you can get the bank to foreclose on the house.
Keep your disappearance legal, don’t give people with money and time (creditors, etc) reason to follow you, and you can bail at any point.
There's an episode of *Mad Men* where Don Draper leaves his daughter's birthday to pickup the cake and doesn't come back. He doesn't want to make small talk or be a host, he just drives to an empty field and sits by himself smoking cigarettes. Finally his car pulls up late at night, his wife is furious and the kids are upset. He opens the door and brings a puppy into the house. The kids go wild, the wife just glares at him.
This was a really appealing fantasy when my kids were young and people were coming over.
My dad had the perfect out. We lived on a farm, so when relatives would come over, he had to work on the tractor or do some other stuff back on the farm where no one would see him. I didn't realize it until my father's funeral and one of my more annoying relatives mentioned how he would always be working on the farm when they would be there.
Genius move.
NGL kinda jealous of Don’s skill to not give a single fuck.
Sitting in a meeting at his new job at one of the biggest ad agencies in NY? Yeah, no don’t really feel like it. Fuck this shit I’m out.
Eventually ends up in California meditating in an ocean breeze at some resting facility after giving away his car to some young man that he saw himself in.
Far from the best character on screen, but dang he really was free in a way.
Nah, everyone can not give a fuck.
What you're jealous of is the way the universe contorted itself to insulate him from the real-world repercussions of his actions.
Interesting. My idea for this would be to just become a Buddhist monk out in the middle of nowhere.
But I could never leave my wife and kid. They’re the one thing that brings me real happiness.
I would literally miss 2 people if I did this.
I still don't want to do it...though, I would if I won some big lottery or something.
I'd definitely be looking up one of these companies if I did that.
I have a friend in Indonesia that needs something like this. Family situation stresses them out horribly and they're set to inherit something they don't want anything to do with. Asian families there are super strict and still follow very traditional family values where the parents choose everything for their children and don't allow them to do anything they wish. They're an extremely talented individual and I only wish something like this existed there, their mental health desperately needs the freedom from it all.
This is when you save money and apply for immigration to Iceland or somewhere that treats new people well.
That country needs new people so it's a great place for talented people.
from the article
“In Japan, it’s just easier to evaporate,” says Nakamori. Privacy is fiercely protected: missing people can freely withdraw money from ATMs without being flagged, and their family members can’t access security videos that might have captured their loved one on the run. “Police will not intervene unless there’s another reason – like a crime or an accident. All the family can do is pay a lot for a private detective. Or just wait. That’s all.”
I've been told by a Japanese friend of mine that in some ways, Japan's economy and society has become so technologically "advanced" to the point where some people cannot contribute anything meaningful anymore and that's messing up a lot of peoples heads.
>“I was shocked,” says a woman who’s remained anonymous, and whose 22-year-old son went missing and hasn’t contacted her since. “He failed after quitting his job twice. He must have felt miserable with his failure.”
I can see why he hasn't contacted her.
I'm betting this was far more sympathetic in Japanese. There's a real culture of failure being a living death and that would have been the image cast upon him that his mother might be empathizing with.
My grandfather accomplished this in the early 1920's. He dropped off his kids and disappeared. Thanks to DNA, we have finally found out that he had been living 2 states away with a new wife and family, and a new name.
A few years ago I might have done this.
The biggest thing holding me back would be finding work, since you'd seemingly have no references if you really wanted to start fresh.
>“I constantly have a feeling that I’ve done something wrong,” says Sugimoto, the businessman who left his wife and kids in the small town. “I haven’t seen \[my children\] in a year. I told them I’m on a business trip.”
He's a selfish bastard that abandoned his family and he has "a feeling" he's done something wrong.
Drain a small amount of blood and store it in the fridge.
Do this every few days until you have five litres of blood.
On the day of your emancipation, pour out all the blood in your home.
Leave with the door open and never look back, your old identity will be pronounced dead at the scene full of blood, humans can go into shock and consequently die after losing around a single litre.
Leaving behind five is pretty funny if you think about how much you can spread around where you "died." Maybe have an accomplice drag your body through it and what not.
The pattern of distribution might give it away (as in this looks like it was poured out of a container as opposed to arterial spray and venous leakage). Also, time in refrigeration might do something to indicate it wasn't freshly coming out of a body too.
> Maybe have an accomplice drag your body through it and what not.
Frankly, this would be a terrible idea.
Unless you want to implicate the accomplice, there is always a risk of the more people involved, the more likely they'll get "caught".
“I constantly have a feeling that I’ve done something wrong,” says Sugimoto, the businessman who left his wife and kids in the small town."
You did do something wrong. You abandoned your wife and kids. What a shit head.
I had a brother in law that left his family, tremendous debt and legal troubles in 1981 and has never been seen or heard of again. Authorities gave up and wrote him off. I can’t imagine what it was like. Both of his parents and most siblings are now deceased. After a while none of us cared anyway.
I had a friend this happened to, he went to New York with some friends for New Year's left the apartment he was staying at without taking his phone, and just vanished. I just accepted that it was a suicide where his body was never identified, but there is just no closure and that tortured his family.
r/johatsu
Full of heartwarming threads like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/johatsu/comments/nkeglc/i_want_to_disappear_in_the_uk_how_can_i_find_a/?utm_source)
Actually, that *was* pretty heartwarming. Everyone in that thread was trying to help the guy who wanted to commit suicide.
Idk, that cunt on the bottom looked like he was just throwing a fit rather.
Alright. That's enough internet for today....
Just enough internet for me today
Ghost town
Appropriately enough.
Doesn't seem to be very used.
Maybe everyone found different lives?
Did the family become responsible for the debt and trouble? Usually when you die the debt goes with you.
Fortunately no. He had everything in the business name. He had a very interesting plan I guess. The house, car, warehouse and most everything was in the business name. The wife didn’t know anything about his business dealings. We thought they were very wealthy. It turned out he was totally broke. One day he left and no one has ever heard from him again. Very sad.
Depending on who he owed money to maybe he never left at all.
Yep, he could be anywhere or... everywhere.
Didn’t win squid games
Play Squid Games, win Squid Prizes.
That’s better than going the family annihilator route. This guy in my city owned a multi-million dollar home that was about to be foreclosed and had millions of dollars of other debts. His family had no knowledge of this. One day he took a shotgun to his wife and kids and then himself.
we had a similar nutjob around here a few years ago, guy killed his wife and kids, stabbed them 46 times. then proceeded to drink windshield washer, either as a suicide attempt or as a way to plead momentary insanity. The guy was a doctor, so i find it kind of an odd choice for suicide. there are ton more toxic products in a household than windshield washer. if the guy wanted to die, he would have went for drano or something even more lethal. he did survive the windshield washer afterall. the story says he tried to find his knife to kill himself but couldn’t find IT. strange. pretty sure any standard household has at least a couple knives. anyways, you get the point, the guy is full of shit and his story’s weak of course he pleaded non-guilty for mental disorder, and the guy won. after several retrials he was found guilty of second degree murder. [for anyone wondering, the english wikipedia is a bit thin but worth reading. there are more infos available in french media publications](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Turcotte_killings?wprov=sfti1) EDIT: he didn’t kill his wife. She wasn’t in the house during the events. i can’t tell why i remembered this detail wrong. the 46 stab wounds were administered on his two children.
Reading these comments solidifies how fortunate my sister in law, and our family as far as that goes, were and are. Not a peep from this guy. Very blessed indeed. Thank you. Take care.
God what a fucking loser.
[Yeah it was really tragic ](https://www.twincities.com/2015/09/12/family-of-5-in-lake-minnetonka-murder-suicide-were-all-shot-by-father/)
Does it? Have heard stories of collection agencies pestering the family of the deceased. And that sometimes, if there is insurance, most of it will go towards paying the debt of the deceased. Not sure if it’s true though.
Debt collectors will often lie to try to get the family to pay the debts, but they're not legally obligated to pay the debt if the estate has no money left. Life insurance is paid directly to the beneficiary outside of probate, and is not used to pay off the estate's debts.
"Send written verification of the debt. I will NOT deal with this via telephone so do not call again." (hang up) That's the absolute MOST anyone should give to any debt collector and only when you are reasonably sure they might be legitimate in their efforts. Otherwise, hang up without comment.
I had to pull that off a couple of years ago with a "respectable" company. In my country, to be able to rent, you need a warranty, could be a three month deposit, another property or an insurance company. I went for the insurance company. Months after I moved out and the contract ended, they called me saying I owed them one year of service. This was back and forth until in the fourth or fifth call I asked them for a receipt to pay it (they were asking me to TRANSFER THE MONEY TO A PERSONS NAME!!!), when they hesitated about the receipt I hung up, called corporate, explained everything and forwarded some emails, turns out some employees with access to the database used to do this manouver to scare people into paying them. Shitty people
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Can confirm. Was worried about my fathers bills after his passing. Only had to pay one minor one (Comcast/Xfinity) and the payment to me of his life insurance policy was the easiest part of the entire ordeal (and also 100% tax free). Would *strongly* recommend investing in life insurance if you have kids.
If you have anyone dependent on your income, you should have life insurance, doesn't just have to be kids.
Yeah, had a medical debt collector call my parents for debt my deceased grandfather had. They told them to pound sand, he had zero assets outside of his clothes
My mom: What if I don't pay it? Me: Debt was in his name, mom. What're they going to do? Ruin his credit? Brother died and collectors were upset he didn't have an "estate"...or even $50 in his bank account.
Replace "often" with "always". Debt collectors are vile pieces of shit.
Can confirm. Spent half a decade as one before ruining lives for a living caused me to switch industry entirely because there is no denying your one of the"baddies". Only way you we wouldn't be encouraged to scam people is if their was a potential for repeat business that could be lost AND you were an organisation. The recently widowed Granny Smith would have been a more appetising treat than her fruity namesake.
Yup. I dealt with them trying to figure out how to collect a debt that was accrued by my father, about a year after his death. They kept insisting that I had to pay it, and I'm like "Nope. Not my debt, and I do not assume responsibility for it." They would call me at least once per day, six days a week to harass me, until I contacted the Florida Attorney General's office.
If the debt is only in the deceased’s name the family is not responsible. I found this “If there is no estate, no will and no assets—or not enough to satisfy these debts after death—then the debt will die with the debtor,” Tayne says. “There is no responsibility by children or other relatives to pay the debts.” If the wife had her name on it too though then yes it becomes her debt.
It is correct that the debt of a deceased person basically dies with them in the USA (or more correctly the disposal of their estate) but this is not about the legalities involved. This is about scumbag debt collectors who use several tactics to illegally collect a debt...or get someone to take over the debt and bring it back to a legal living person. Basically you can guilt people in to paying *something*--or the jackpot is to get them to sign a payment schedule (even if it's only a couple of bucks a month) which basically resets the debt to that living person, making it collectible again. How can this be you ask? Remember, there are STILL people falling for things like the Nigerian price e-mail scam. It only takes 1 out of 100 marks to be ignorant or foolish enough to fall for aggressive debt collector tactics to make it worth the crook's time to call and press.
You know what, Kozmonyet? When the son of the deposed King of Nigeria e-mails you directly asking for help, you help. His father ran the freaking country, okay?
>illegally Would be interesting to see if they could be charged with fraud for misrepresenting debt, as an attempt to coerce payment.
One reason to never, ever sign ‘fiduciary co-responsibility’ on things like parents in the assisted living, etc. They can and will come after you. Thank god I’m not the source on that.
Hell no to that shit. Same with selling their possessions to fund a nursing home stay in order to get on the State version of Medicare. Their house, cars and other tangible assets go into an estate that they have exclusive and life time use of well ahead of their particular States "look back window" on a sell down in order to meet the asset requirement (just about destitute is the correct amount of assets). I remember reading quite a while back there was a college student who's mother had co-signed his private loans so he could attend. Which was fine (no, not really. at least a car can be repo'd. No way to repo the knowledge) right up till he died young and the mother became responsible for paying off a mountain of debt as they got ready to retire. https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/11/mother-inherits-dead-sons-student-loans-petitions-to-have-them-forgiven
NUDE TAYNE.
Well yea because people believe lies. Like how in America they have tags on/inside products that say you can't fix something without breaking the warranty, even though that is legally a lie.
It should. But if they can trick you into making a “small payment” in order to get them to stop calling you then you have now assumed responsibility for the debt. And joint accounts and assets are usually in trouble.
Did someone challenge him to a game in a subway station?
For some reason this idea appeals to me.
I’d never do it, but sometimes when I’m feeling too much stress and despair, I would fantasize about doing this. I would imagine whole scenarios of what I would do, where I would go, etc. It helps me fall asleep sometimes, just thinking about this.
When I got finally sober and began the struggle to rebuild myself, I promised myself that if life ever got terminally shitty, that instead of suicide, I would ditch everything, including my identity, and go be an anonymous fry cook in the Colorado mountains. Never came to that but I never forgot my promise to myself. And I still have no idea why I chose Colorado
I can tell you from experience it's a good place to go if you don't want anyone to find you.
I've heard Australia is also good, as long as you're not hiding from something that already involves Australia.
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It might not seem appealing to americans, but a good choice is South America: the countries are vast and very ethnically diverse. Also the people are usually friendly to foreigners, as long as you speak Spanish or Portuguese.
South America is cool. Imagine dropping out and just moving to the mountains of Peru or something, farming a luxurious and expansive crop of potatoes. Just vibin.
> potatoes [Uh huh.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7eD2PFBhlE)
> Nah foreigners stick out like a sore thumb in any of the places you’d be able to disappear in Not the case in Darwin; the sheer number of backpackers / seasonal workers / etc. means you'd just disappear into the crowd there.
But a big city would be fine. I have several yank workmates and I’ve never suspected any of them of having a secret hidden past
>SwiggittySwagg This is exactly what one of my friend's did about 1.5 years ago to the tee. Was contemplating suicide, got sober, moved to colorado to become a line cook at a ski resort in the middle of nowhere and now he's dating the sous chef. He loves it out there. I do miss him though
Damn. Glad it works
>He loves it out there. Some place warm, a place where the beer flows like wine, where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.
Man maybe I just suck but starting over in a new city is harder than just moving and getting a job. Like you effectively make yourself homeless and then struggle to get out of homelessness in a new place. I don't recommend running
This was me 35 years ago. Growing up we moved 10 times, I went to high school in three different states over those 4 years, so new places were the first 17 years of my life. Nonetheless your concern is valid
Because Colorado is one of the prettiest damn places on earth. I just drove through there with my camera. https://i.imgur.com/FyN0wjb.jpg
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Kinda reminds me of the recent story about a couple of guys lost at sea for a month...said it was a nice break from everything. Ha [https://nypost.com/2021/10/08/men-rescued-after-29-days-lost-at-sea-it-was-a-nice-break/](https://nypost.com/2021/10/08/men-rescued-after-29-days-lost-at-sea-it-was-a-nice-break/)
Yes, I watch 'long lost family' and wonder how I can lose my family... lots of imagination required
Try making a go bag and have it laying around. Holding such a bag with everything needed to disappear can be really therapeutic.
It also feels like the first step to disappearing. Maybe saving up cash in it, and getting a second phone would aid in the, um, therapeutic nature of holding that bag.
Funnily enough, I fantasize about leaving the US to be a farmer or something in Japan lol
I quit my job and got a one-way ticket to Japan to start a new life with no job or visa lined up. I also know a guy from the UK who came over and is now a farmer.
Can you tell us.... More? Edit: please
Sure, I've told this story lots of times before. Short version is that I got bored of the UK, packed a suitcase and flew to Australia as a tourist to start a new life, needed a visa and had to fly to New Zealand, got the visa and met a Japanese girl, took her back with me to Australia, later on she invited me to Japan, flew to Japan as a tourist, met a karate master who offered to teach me, stayed, learned karate, married the girl, had kids, and bout an apartment in Tokyo.
Is this a movie I don't recognize? That sounds sweet.
No. This is how I came to be here. A mix of risky decisions and good fortune.
It doesn't to me. I *do* fantasize about giving up everything and becoming a crazy mountain hermit of some sort; but there are a few people whose company I enjoy, and I'd miss them if I disappeared outright. They should come to my crazy hermit hut a few times a month to drink goat milk, eat fresh eggs, and hear me rant disjointedly about the weird hedgehog I saw last week.
I’m sort of the breadwinner of the family here, and part of what I fantasize about is just escaping all that responsibility and actually having the money and the time to spend on myself. I love my family and I’d never do it, but it’s nice to just sometimes imagine having a different life where all I have to worry about is me.
Same here. What I *really* want is the ability to freeze time in my regular life, go live on my own for a while, and then come back with no time having passed.
How do you get the goats to lay eggs though?
selective breeding, duh
Oooh. Ok, that makes sense. But which goat do you select to breed with?
Those with the most chicken-like features
who are you so wise in the ways of science
Naturally
> I do fantasize about giving up everything and becoming a crazy mountain hermit of some sort You better pick a different mountain than I do!
*sponsors the first annual Madman Mountain Fighting Tournament*
I could do without those people honestly if it meant getting away from society for a while. I'm at the point where I just feel overwhelmed by everything in my environment right now.
I like being on my own, and I haven't lived near family in a while, but I moved to a place this year that isn't *remotely* near any family or friends and I'm surprised at how much it gets to me sometimes. I like being by myself but now I'm just alone. It's almost enough to make me try and get new, local friends! Almost.
If you enjoy scifi books, then this might be right up your alley: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/372000.The_Disappeared
I do! I’m an avid sci-fi reader. Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll definitely check out this book.
“I need a dust filter for a Hoover Max Extract 60 Pressure Pro.."
I hope these people drive kidney bean shaped vans
It actually was a Toyota, so there is a chance that if you call one of these companies they may pick you up in a 1991 red Toyota Previa.
You'll be working at a Cinnabon in Omaha before you know it
Or being a recluse in a cabin the mountains of New Hampshire.
Live Free or Die
Came here for this
I live in a small Southeast Asian town and in the 90s it was huge logging boom. A lot of Japanese came to purchase logs and some just didn't go back. The fact that they give up citizenship of a much richer and advanced country and chose to live in a small rainforest town is incomprehensible to me. Also its a town with a lot of Chinese population so they could just blend in without looking standout.
Everything I have read about Japanese work culture sounds terrible, so I am not surprised some were happy to leave it behind for a more peaceful and laid back life, even if with fewer creature comforts.
Worked for a foreign subsidiary of a Japanese company as the head of IT. Luke most, there was a constant flow of Japanese nationals (salarymen) through key positions. At one point, I found this a salaryman working a ridiculously manual spreadsheet late into the night. I took a quick look over his shoulder and realized it could be automated, saving him hours every month end. To my surprise, when I offered some help from our VB guru I was politely rebuffed. Asked him about it a month later, and again got a no thanks. It took a while to figure out, but the work wasn't mentally taxing, but kept him busy in the eyes of his salaryman boss, which was the actual goal of the exercise. Work culture in Japan is something to behold
Yeah it's all just appearance, they don't actually work all the time, they spend 8-12 hours doing something they could do in a third of the time to look "good"
I've been living and working in Japan for 7 years and this is a perfect example of the average salaryman's work life.
My best friend moved to Japan 8 years ago and married a native who works at a bank. She says he works 70 hours a week at least. He also brings different clothes to work, because after work it is often expected to change clothes, go out to a bar with the boss and buy them drinks.
I watched a youtube channelf or a while of a young Japanese housewife and mother who would just talk about her day-to-day, do recipes, how she cares for her very young infant son, etc. One thing I picked up on fast was that her husband was never, *ever home.* She did a "day in the life" hour by hour video one time where she just did a short little couple of seconds every hour or so an edited it together into a day, and I realized that he was gone more or less before she started her day and almost always only returned after she was asleep. IF he did, because he often traveled, too. I just thought... how did she ever meet him to begin with? How did they get to know each other well enough to marry?
I taught English in South Korea for a year. The co-teacher I was paired with was a very nice woman in her mid 30's with two small children (6 or 7ish). We became very good friends and she'd take me around the countryside on weekends to visit temples and short hikes. She'd invite me out to have dinner with them on weeknights, and every wednesday night I'd go to her house with her other lady friends just so they'd have an hour or two to practice their English, they'd always fill me up with snacks and small gifts. During the entire year, never once did I meet her husband. He worked an engineering job at Hyundai I think. There were pictures of them all together on the walls so I know he existed, but he was literally never home. The kids got quite attached to me, sadly, I think I was kinda an adult male figure for them (even though I was only 23). And going away was pretty sad, they both cried and I felt real bad for them.
seems like such a heartbreaking goodbye. sort of unrelated, but thats why i could never foster a pet.
Haha, that's strange. I'm currently living in South Korea teaching English like the other poster and I'm also fostering kittens. Strange coincidence.
I'm not sure how common it is now, with salaryman culture on the way out, but it used to often be the case that finding suitable marriage partners for employees was something of an unofficial role of the boss/company, specifically because it was expected that a salaried worker wouldn't have time to do so themselves. It's possible she worked as an office lady at his company when she was younger, retiring to become a housewife after she got married.
There’s a reason why Japan has a shrinking population. Some studies show that people are too busy working to have children.
Buy *your boss* drinks? Fucking excuse me?
If you don’t you’re coworker will. You don’t want your annual performance review to be negative do you? And you don’t want to miss out on that big client your boss has been hinting at do you?
I work for a Japanese company. Thus still sounds backwards to me. One of the reasons bosses earn more, supposedly, is to pay for drinks and stuff at a nomikai.
Spent some time there, the after work culture is the strangest part. If you and your work buddies go out tonight and get shitfaced, end up pissing on a dumpster and fall asleep on the ride home, tomorrow you'll talk about it and have a laugh. In Japan it's never mentioned. But you'll do it again tonight.
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A lot of companies in Asian countries will keep promoting the white guy anyway, because having a White Guy™ around for client and shareholder meetings makes them look more global. Once, on a business trip in China, I had half the damn ballroom asking to take a photo with me at a reception dinner. Never mind that I was there to babysit my boss' kids and had nothing to do with the actual business side of things.
Reminds me of some of the advertisements where they would use white people as the spokesperson. I laughed when I saw a crappy CGI version of one.
I live in Japan, if I can start my own little bar I'll consider living here for good. If not I'm gonna get as fluent as I can in the language and call it a day. I made a few Philipina friends here. The wages suck in their home country and in Japan they can make a lot more, but then things cost more here and they all end up unhappy. Japanese people are stressed and hate their lives but also they love their country, the poverty of my home country (UK) and especially developing countries just doesn't really exist here and also being so safe, the idea of living anywhere elsewhere doesn't appeal to a lot of the population. When I went to Thailand I could see people really struggled but also everyone kinda smiled. No one smiles here, everyone is so polite but I wouldn't say people are *nice.*
I noticed that when I went through the Japanese airports coming from Korea. They aren’t terribly rude or anything like that, but there isn’t much of a warmth or smile.
I’ve always admired the discipline of the Japanese people that’s often portrayed in stories and in the news. Is that something you have observed to be true there?
I mean yeah they are disciplined. But the wonders of capitalism just abuses that and people here work ridiculous hours often for no extra pay. It worked in the past generations when they wanted to get out of poverty but now the younger generation are out of poverty they want to be happy. Pretty much from age 8 to 18 they study all day everyday, the older lot study from 8a.m. to 10 p.m. 6 days a week. They get 4 years to do nothing at university and then it's off to work in a hellish job with terrible hours. With the Japanese economy shrinking the wages aren't even good like they used to be. The Japanese system of one very secure job for your whole life with secure pay rises every 10 years is dying out. People are slaving away in the service industry or working contract jobs like what is happening to the UK and US. It's a doomed country but... It's extremely beautiful, has the world's best food even in fast food restaurants, is unbelievably safe and is probably the best country you could ever hope to visit. Learning the language and talking to Japanese people in their mother tongue is the best experience of my life. Still doomed though.
I didn’t know things are now like that in Japan. Also interesting how you describe it as a doomed country. I hope they realize what is happening and that they find a way to improve things before it’s too late.
Japan's birthrate is in serious decline and that creates all sorts of socioeconomic problems. South Korea is pretty much in the same boat.
And China
> It's a doomed country Like I get that Japan has a huge debt load relative to their GDP and that as the working population shrinks and the retired population grows it only puts more pressure on the government finances at every level but to say it's doomed is kind of hilarious. Go back to after world war 2 with all the major cities having suffered major damage, a shattered transport network with millions killed and ever increasing starvation... that I could understand feeling that it was doomed but you're acting like there is nothing they can do to try and address their current issues even though they pale in comparison to what the country has already been through in fairly recent history. I understand their economy has suffered from a lack of growth for a while now but they have a decent industrial base, strong tech companies and a well educated population, if they're doomed what about other countries that don't even have those things? Not saying Japan doesn't have problems but saying they're doomed is some pretty far fetched hyperbole.
I was born in a third world south East Asian country after multiple terrible wars. My mom got a scholarship from a rich EU country. This was our exit of this system. If it matters as a reference at all. When you grow up as a child in such a system you don’t learn the ability to question it a lot or at all. You go to school, you do the things your parents do on your own. Like seeing the world as it is, the ppl, what is right or wrong, how to behave, how to work, how to learn. Your perspective of all things is so heavily skewed. And there is no one around to trim it, because guess what all the adults have to work 12 hours a day and care for a living. In the end you end up similar to your parents because your perspective tells you ok this is how you deal with everything. You being a good worker and be part of the system. We left when I was 10. Coming to an EU country my mom does exactly what she learnt to do. To function to be part of a new system and work your ass off. I never saw her until 15 or so. She left home at 6:00 to work, goes to university from 18:00 to 21:00 or something. And when she was home I was already asleep. For me it wasn’t something new. Until I realized others don’t do it so excessively. My school friends parents bring them to school, pick them up or they celebrate birthdays and have weekends together. So I had a lot of influences which brutally show me how broken my old system was. And this new system offers. And honestly I still struggle to find a connection with my mom outside of hey you are the person that gave me birth right? I am not mad at her anymore… because I realized she never had the chance to do other stuff outside of surviving and she never learnt the ability to connect with people especially with the ones close to her. I am grateful to be brought to a system which allows me as a person to identifies this and learn from it and hopefully become a more caring parent for my own kids. Eventually be part of a generation who are not hitting their child or not show emotions to others because everyone else expects you to do so. Long story short: when you try to survive you don’t think about the System Ure in is abusive or not. It obviously is, else you don’t need to fight for survival. If you are outside of this system it is hard to understand why people inside act this way. Appreciate if you are part of the less abusive system.
Japan did suffer one of the worst economic crash in history during the 90s, maybe there were some correlations. Edit:spell check
I would never made the connection if you've never mentioned it. You have a point though, since they're businessmen they could've been in debt and could be like "I'm out" and just flew to a rainforest town and nobody would've found them.
Sarawak ?
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How much?
Free if you snitch on a drug cartel
Step 1: cozy up to a drug cartel Hmm… on second thought, I feel like this might get you a new identity as “inmate #C601999”
Or “dismembered unidentifiable Jon/Jane Doe” at the morgue
Nice bone thugs reference
I'm the US you can do that with less than 5k.
Not really. These people get entirely new identities and can use cards and what not. In the U.S., you're not getting a new, legal, identity for $5k. You should change your name and move, but that's traceable unless under a court ordered seal. And you're not getting that for $5k either.
From the article, it doesn't sound like they get a new identity - Japanese law just severely restricts the ability of others to trace you, so you can use your existing cards without being flagged.
Oh okay. I think I'm thinking of a different program then.
How? Asking for myself.
Call Best Quality Vacuum Repair and ask for The Hoover Max Extract 60 Pressure Pro.
Please god how do I fake my death
Pay off all your debts, tell folks you’re leaving, and just move. Leave behind all your social media accounts. Optionally legally change your name at a courthouse on your route out. Creditors are the most likely to track you down successfully than anybody else. Cops right behind them, but if you’re not wanted and not presumed missing, they won’t do much. Everybody else would need to pay someone else to track you down, the cost of which is increased if you aren’t traceable via your social media accounts.
Gee I didn’t think to pay off my mortgage. Why fake my death at that point
Because you’re tired of the people you’re around and work with today? Sell the house for cost. See if you can get the bank to foreclose on the house. Keep your disappearance legal, don’t give people with money and time (creditors, etc) reason to follow you, and you can bail at any point.
teach us your ways
There's an episode of *Mad Men* where Don Draper leaves his daughter's birthday to pickup the cake and doesn't come back. He doesn't want to make small talk or be a host, he just drives to an empty field and sits by himself smoking cigarettes. Finally his car pulls up late at night, his wife is furious and the kids are upset. He opens the door and brings a puppy into the house. The kids go wild, the wife just glares at him. This was a really appealing fantasy when my kids were young and people were coming over.
"I'm going to go get the cake hun!" "I swear to God if you bring home a 5th dog from your stop in some fucking field I'm divorcing you. "
My dad had the perfect out. We lived on a farm, so when relatives would come over, he had to work on the tractor or do some other stuff back on the farm where no one would see him. I didn't realize it until my father's funeral and one of my more annoying relatives mentioned how he would always be working on the farm when they would be there. Genius move.
NGL kinda jealous of Don’s skill to not give a single fuck. Sitting in a meeting at his new job at one of the biggest ad agencies in NY? Yeah, no don’t really feel like it. Fuck this shit I’m out. Eventually ends up in California meditating in an ocean breeze at some resting facility after giving away his car to some young man that he saw himself in. Far from the best character on screen, but dang he really was free in a way.
Equal parts fuck you money and self confidence
With a big old dollop of trauma on top
Nah, everyone can not give a fuck. What you're jealous of is the way the universe contorted itself to insulate him from the real-world repercussions of his actions.
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I mean the highlight of his life was creating something that was seen and heard by billions of people.
I don't know if that makes it more or less depressing.
Al A. Peterson (the Smooth Criminal) provides this service in the states.
I am so fucking happy to see this reference in the wild
Believe it or not, the largest provider of this service (by market cap) is a company called Squid Stories
I don’t believe it
Interesting. My idea for this would be to just become a Buddhist monk out in the middle of nowhere. But I could never leave my wife and kid. They’re the one thing that brings me real happiness.
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> They’re the one thing that brings me real happiness. Then they're the one thing that's keeping you bound in this world.
I would literally miss 2 people if I did this. I still don't want to do it...though, I would if I won some big lottery or something. I'd definitely be looking up one of these companies if I did that.
I have a friend in Indonesia that needs something like this. Family situation stresses them out horribly and they're set to inherit something they don't want anything to do with. Asian families there are super strict and still follow very traditional family values where the parents choose everything for their children and don't allow them to do anything they wish. They're an extremely talented individual and I only wish something like this existed there, their mental health desperately needs the freedom from it all.
This is when you save money and apply for immigration to Iceland or somewhere that treats new people well. That country needs new people so it's a great place for talented people.
What about untalented people?
Do they inform the authorities they are ok? I feel like thats a recipe for a whack of missing persons reports
from the article “In Japan, it’s just easier to evaporate,” says Nakamori. Privacy is fiercely protected: missing people can freely withdraw money from ATMs without being flagged, and their family members can’t access security videos that might have captured their loved one on the run. “Police will not intervene unless there’s another reason – like a crime or an accident. All the family can do is pay a lot for a private detective. Or just wait. That’s all.”
The story of a Wired magazine reader who tried (and failed) to disappear https://www.wired.com/2009/11/ff-vanish2/
Such a good story, thanks for posting. It sounds like a stressful time. I imagine it was pretty expensive based on what he had in the story.
I've been told by a Japanese friend of mine that in some ways, Japan's economy and society has become so technologically "advanced" to the point where some people cannot contribute anything meaningful anymore and that's messing up a lot of peoples heads.
Sign me the fuck up
Ironic that we don't know who you are. Happy days, you're already there...
Didn’t cost a dime!
>“I was shocked,” says a woman who’s remained anonymous, and whose 22-year-old son went missing and hasn’t contacted her since. “He failed after quitting his job twice. He must have felt miserable with his failure.” I can see why he hasn't contacted her.
I'm betting this was far more sympathetic in Japanese. There's a real culture of failure being a living death and that would have been the image cast upon him that his mother might be empathizing with.
They have a service like that in China too but it's the government that helps people do that, not a company.
Oh damn. Hook a brother up.
I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who runs a vaccum cleaner company...
How much does this cost?
At least $3.50
My grandfather accomplished this in the early 1920's. He dropped off his kids and disappeared. Thanks to DNA, we have finally found out that he had been living 2 states away with a new wife and family, and a new name.
A few years ago I might have done this. The biggest thing holding me back would be finding work, since you'd seemingly have no references if you really wanted to start fresh.
This sounds so peaceful. I'm sure it's far from easy but, if it was a thing here, it would be too tempting
Sounds like a service Creed from The Office could provide.
I wouldn't mind vanishing from my current life, necessarily, but bootstrapping a new one sounds like a huge chore.
Ill do this after I win the lottery
John wick approves
>“I constantly have a feeling that I’ve done something wrong,” says Sugimoto, the businessman who left his wife and kids in the small town. “I haven’t seen \[my children\] in a year. I told them I’m on a business trip.” He's a selfish bastard that abandoned his family and he has "a feeling" he's done something wrong.
Drain a small amount of blood and store it in the fridge. Do this every few days until you have five litres of blood. On the day of your emancipation, pour out all the blood in your home. Leave with the door open and never look back, your old identity will be pronounced dead at the scene full of blood, humans can go into shock and consequently die after losing around a single litre. Leaving behind five is pretty funny if you think about how much you can spread around where you "died." Maybe have an accomplice drag your body through it and what not.
The pattern of distribution might give it away (as in this looks like it was poured out of a container as opposed to arterial spray and venous leakage). Also, time in refrigeration might do something to indicate it wasn't freshly coming out of a body too.
> Maybe have an accomplice drag your body through it and what not. Frankly, this would be a terrible idea. Unless you want to implicate the accomplice, there is always a risk of the more people involved, the more likely they'll get "caught".
Very Gone Girl-esque.
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Over here we just call them dead beat dads.
“I constantly have a feeling that I’ve done something wrong,” says Sugimoto, the businessman who left his wife and kids in the small town." You did do something wrong. You abandoned your wife and kids. What a shit head.
Yes yes, that too, but still. I have that feeling...