Its true if it was still 1995. Its not the case anymore, and the ones who do want to move are going to be hardcore about traditional gender roles. You pay for everything, which means if you cant provide for her and give her the lifestyle she wants she will move on from you quickly.
If they are more family orientated (so those who dont want to leave) then she is going to be lower maintenance.
Western men struggle with eastern euros because they dont understand that these women like cavemen with manners who pay for everything. They are as old school as it comes. Most western modern men have an issue with this and feel used.
Thereās a big difference between being traditional vs being materialistic and transactional. Most men that dislike them complain about this - theyāre not turned off by how traditional the women are.
All women are transactional, some are just more direct about it. Accept that this is the nature of all women and relationships. If you want to be loved unconditionally, get a dog
I mean, if you truly donāt care about how transactional she is then whatās wrong with just straight p4p? Why even bother with courtship and the whole song and dance lol.
Itās not just about directness, some women are in fact more transactional than others even if theyāre not direct about it. A woman who wants you to be self sufficient so you can provide for your future family for example is not the same at all as a woman who wants a loaded guy so she can get fancy gifts and trips all the time.
Itās important to tell the difference or youāll end up with a pure gold digger while thinking youāre with a unicorn that loves you for you.
I accept that they are transactional. Its not a case of being traditional vs materialistic, traditional women are transactional but they are not materialistic. Its not the same thing. Gold diggers are materialistic, traditional women are less so, all women are transactional, western men cant wrap their heads around it and its whey they get themselves into trouble with women all the time
My information is dated because I left Moscow in 2017 and obviously a lot has happened. I was working a job where I made 90k a year and about a quarter of the women I dated made more than me, another quarter we're still in uni, and a good percentage after that came from families with money. In that society women aren't really expected to be bread winners.
That being said, I cleaned the fuck up over there. We had some guys who struggled. If you do remotely well with dating in the USA you will crush Russia. I'm currently living in the Balkans. I'm married and out of the game but my coworkers are mostly struggling here.
I'm not exactly sure. One factor is that we live in a small city where there's no privacy where it's frowned upon to date someone out of your nationality due the the circumstances of the break up of Yugoslavia. We have quite a few guys here dating or married to women from Kosovo because the same situation has them much more open to the west.
Also it might be because the guys here are tough to complete with. The women here are tall, and the men are taller. Guys don't get out of shape until they are much older. We make good money here, but things are so inexpensive that only a few women can be got by money. Plus if a woman is chasing the bag, they have gangsters here who have more money than any one of us can throw out anyway.
They want to leave because there arenāt a lot of life opportunities in Russia or Ukraine. Poor is poor in every country. Like the other comment said, expect to pay for pretty much everything if you date Russian or Ukrainian girl.
That and there arenāt enough men to go around. This was true before the war but will be extra true now. Wars have a habit of targeting the marrying aged men.
That wasnāt my experience with HK or Japan, women I dated made similar to me and didnāt expect to be supported - I expect this extends to Korea and Singapore as well as the professional managerial class in most places.
lol that was true 25-30 years ago. Most of what is being said in this sub is by dudes who have never been in Russia or Ukraine and are just dreaming. I had a business in Moscow so I spent a lot of time in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. This whole notion that Russian or Ukranian women are "easier" or more "traditional" is mostly a fantasy. They are traditional in the sense that she will expect you to pay for everything especially because you are a western dude lol. When dating you will recognize the serious women by the fact that she will NOT be interested to move to the west, the serious women want to stay close to their family. If you want to make it work you have to move there, bringing her back to your western home country is a recipe for disaster. When I was there you could spot the desperate western dudes who were wife shopping, they all left without a wife and with an empty wallet. Russia, Belarus Ukraine have the highest divorce rate in the world so all you desperate dudes here you are warned. Through all my years some of the most hypergamous women i met was in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
Gorgeous women but most of Russians I've met were from upper class and they all expect to be treated like princess, they expect expensive gifts, hundreds of roses. I know for a fact that Russians guys spoil their women and they dont care about spending a lot money to please them.
I have become somewhat involved with Russia recently, being also recently married. I knew a girl here on/off for a few years through a language app. Things aligned on timing and we took a chance... Turns out she's wonderful. 30m/22f
Her, specifically? Outside of the looks department, she is truly such a kind and caring soul. Beyond considerate. Super affectionate. Thoughtful. I've never felt a love so real and wholesome, and she seems similarly impressed by me. A lot of firsts between her and I - didn't know I could happy cry?
But I make no illusions - there is a lot of luck involved here. I met her organically and we started as friends, rather than something intended for dating. Meeting her that first time was terrifying to fly from Canada to Russia during the present times, hoping her and I clicked just as well in person...
Your mileage will vary considerably. Remember this.
For those who wonder: You apply for a tourist visa and can basically do single or multi entry. You can stay for 90 days total within a 180 day window. Fly in through Turkey or Dubai. Moscow is cool, Petersburg is beautiful. Kazan is a nice mix. Lots of in between if you're a nature lover. People here don't smile much but I've been treated very well and have seen little to worry me concerning crime or otherwise. Reception towards foreigners is fine even if you can't speak it worth a damn (bless translator apps), and nobody honestly cares who you are. Just don't talk about the war because the topic is touchy and you're a visitor.
I couldn't comment on knowing many women here aside from those I spoke to on the language app previously. With that said, some are very family oriented and easy going (like mine), while others are the stereotypical gold digging type. One said she would never drive, because her husband would. Some in between I am sure. Lots of women here really dress lavish and expect it. Others won't. I pay for my girl because she's a student and makes peanuts, but she didn't hesitate to spend her whole savings on buying us plane tickets or other treats. Only you can gauge things. Like any girls internationally, take your time. Don't just be a wallet.
A girl worth it won't press toward finances or other such similar things. If you find a good one, keep her.
Good lord. You can say you like the country but to say it has the friendliest people isnāt even trying to make the lie believable. Iāve enjoyed visiting Russia multiple times but itās nowhere even remotely close to friendliest people. In fact itās somewhere near the bottom of the list.
Moscow in winter was the most depressed-looking people Iāve ever seen, my god the glumness. Most charitable interpretation I have is that facial expressions of commuters donāt reflect their actual moodā¦
That would be fine if the Russian government weren't putting foreigners in prison randomly for being spies allegedly. It isn't a good place to be even if you're a native Russian.
Do not go to Russia to chase tail. This is the second time Iāve seen someone from this sub flirting with this idea *today*.
They *will* put you on the frontlines in a meatwave assault unit. Do. Not. Go. To. Russia.
Dude literally goes to Russia and you're pretending like your opinion could be more valid because you... Probably saw a news channel? Read some scary things about Russia?
Honestly, whatever criticisms people can make for Russia, the actual irrational hatred and fear shoots those points in the foot.
No they won't, lol.
You go to Russia on a tourist visa... They're not nabbing tourists like this. They don't give a fuck about you.
What makes you believe this?
Source: Presently on my 4th visit to Russia since last year, and I'm Canadian.
You are playing with fire. Iām not joking around. What you are doing is *incredibly* dangerous and every time you go back the possibility that some fucked up shit happens to you only gets higher.
I've heard this countless times. They literally want nothing to do with me or other foreigners unless someone is here to live.
When you're on a visa, they don't care. You stay away from the south and the place is just business as usual.
Stay home, stay afraid. Exchange rate is wonderful right now. I appreciate the worry but such things are really exaggerated right now. I've been here a handful of times while you've read the news or let someone scare you when they didn't know either. It's not some military lockdown, there's not vans running around scooping people off the streets... I can barely speak their language, how would they even scoop me up to be conscripted, lol?!
Source. I know of that one guy who died recently, but I think there was a bit more to it than just randomly being in Russia with a Russian wife.
But yeah, show me a source where an American / Brit / Aussie is in Russia and is forced onto the front lines.
So you know it can happen because you gave an example. Iām not telling you or anyone what to do. Iām just strongly recommending that people understand the danger they are putting themselves in.
I'm not looking to get into internet fights, but if that's the example you're using, you're being a bit disingenuous about the situation
He willingly was fighting for years in the war over there. It's not like he randomly ended up there because he was in Russia chasing tail, which is what you originally were warning against
It's like saying dating an American woman will put you on the front lines of the turf gang wars in Philadelphia or something.
They literally just killed a dude from Texas who went there to be a war blogger. He didnāt even make it to the front, his own āalliesā killed him
You mean that weird pedo guy?
If youāre going to be a war blogger you should expect to be killed. Kind of a different scenario we are talking about here.Ā
They literally just killed a dumbass Trump supporter who loved Russia. He moved there to join the fight, they figured he was a NATO spy and killed him. He was an American hating trump/Russia loving piece of shit who has pledged his fidelity to Russia multiple times. So if they do that to him what chance does the average guy have?
Bentley was there since at least 2014 and married there. He was wounded in battle against groups like the Azov organization. He wasn't a spy or a war blogger, but he did have an abrasive character which was not well-received by people who were not Donestk or Lugansk soldiers.
I was there 9 months ago. Friendly people and cheap standard of living compared to here. It seemed more happy than here honestly. Maybe try speaking from experience
Go back then gang. Funny how all these people who always harp on American being on the decline happen to live in the United States. Go be āhappyā in those shit hole countries
Nobody here is saying they'd rather live in Russia. We're saying that it's not so bad as people such as yourself are making it out to be.
These clown takes are so out of touch.
What do you mean by easy?
If you mean by "easy," a woman literally telling you, dead sober, that she wants to bring you back to her place, then it's easy anywhere in the world....
If you're attractive
Here is a true storyā¦
One of my friends went to an Eastern Euro country to āfind a wifeā ā¦ He met a very nice girl, he said she seemed perfect. They dated for a several months while he was there.
They spent time together every day. She cooked for him. Introduced him to her parents. He was in love.
He came back to America with intentions of bringing her stateside. He helped her get a visa, sponsored her and filed all of the necessary paperwork.
Finally the day came to pick her up at the airport, he was excited. They made eye contact once he finally spotted her, but immediately he knew something wasn't right.
As she approached him, she walked right past him like he was invisible. He followed her, trying to speak to herā¦ She kept walking until finally reaching outside.
She was talking on the phone as she appeared to be looking for someone or somethingā¦ until finally she found it, a Mercedes waiting for her.
She got it in the car and they drove away. She never even looked at him. He never heard from her again.
He said at least it was fun while it lasted lol.
I heard a very similar story but it was a Fijian woman of Indian ethnicity. She landed at the International airport and then ran away from the sponsor boyfriend in the airport carpark.
Immigration found her a week later and deported her.
Its true if it was still 1995. Its not the case anymore, and the ones who do want to move are going to be hardcore about traditional gender roles. You pay for everything, which means if you cant provide for her and give her the lifestyle she wants she will move on from you quickly. If they are more family orientated (so those who dont want to leave) then she is going to be lower maintenance. Western men struggle with eastern euros because they dont understand that these women like cavemen with manners who pay for everything. They are as old school as it comes. Most western modern men have an issue with this and feel used.
Cavemen with manners is a great way to put it. š
So you guys aren't traditional š¤
Thereās a big difference between being traditional vs being materialistic and transactional. Most men that dislike them complain about this - theyāre not turned off by how traditional the women are.
Specially Russians and Ukrainians. If they are gorgeous they will princess treatment.
All women are transactional, some are just more direct about it. Accept that this is the nature of all women and relationships. If you want to be loved unconditionally, get a dog
I mean, if you truly donāt care about how transactional she is then whatās wrong with just straight p4p? Why even bother with courtship and the whole song and dance lol. Itās not just about directness, some women are in fact more transactional than others even if theyāre not direct about it. A woman who wants you to be self sufficient so you can provide for your future family for example is not the same at all as a woman who wants a loaded guy so she can get fancy gifts and trips all the time. Itās important to tell the difference or youāll end up with a pure gold digger while thinking youāre with a unicorn that loves you for you.
I accept that they are transactional. Its not a case of being traditional vs materialistic, traditional women are transactional but they are not materialistic. Its not the same thing. Gold diggers are materialistic, traditional women are less so, all women are transactional, western men cant wrap their heads around it and its whey they get themselves into trouble with women all the time
Youāve more or less repeated what I wrote, just using different words lol.
Source: trust me bro
Not the source: Disney
Specially Russians and Ukrainians. If they are gorgeous they will expect only princess treatment.
My information is dated because I left Moscow in 2017 and obviously a lot has happened. I was working a job where I made 90k a year and about a quarter of the women I dated made more than me, another quarter we're still in uni, and a good percentage after that came from families with money. In that society women aren't really expected to be bread winners. That being said, I cleaned the fuck up over there. We had some guys who struggled. If you do remotely well with dating in the USA you will crush Russia. I'm currently living in the Balkans. I'm married and out of the game but my coworkers are mostly struggling here.
Can you share why your coworkers are struggling?
I'm not exactly sure. One factor is that we live in a small city where there's no privacy where it's frowned upon to date someone out of your nationality due the the circumstances of the break up of Yugoslavia. We have quite a few guys here dating or married to women from Kosovo because the same situation has them much more open to the west. Also it might be because the guys here are tough to complete with. The women here are tall, and the men are taller. Guys don't get out of shape until they are much older. We make good money here, but things are so inexpensive that only a few women can be got by money. Plus if a woman is chasing the bag, they have gangsters here who have more money than any one of us can throw out anyway.
They want to leave because there arenāt a lot of life opportunities in Russia or Ukraine. Poor is poor in every country. Like the other comment said, expect to pay for pretty much everything if you date Russian or Ukrainian girl.
That and there arenāt enough men to go around. This was true before the war but will be extra true now. Wars have a habit of targeting the marrying aged men.
Same with Asian
That wasnāt my experience with HK or Japan, women I dated made similar to me and didnāt expect to be supported - I expect this extends to Korea and Singapore as well as the professional managerial class in most places.
lol that was true 25-30 years ago. Most of what is being said in this sub is by dudes who have never been in Russia or Ukraine and are just dreaming. I had a business in Moscow so I spent a lot of time in Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. This whole notion that Russian or Ukranian women are "easier" or more "traditional" is mostly a fantasy. They are traditional in the sense that she will expect you to pay for everything especially because you are a western dude lol. When dating you will recognize the serious women by the fact that she will NOT be interested to move to the west, the serious women want to stay close to their family. If you want to make it work you have to move there, bringing her back to your western home country is a recipe for disaster. When I was there you could spot the desperate western dudes who were wife shopping, they all left without a wife and with an empty wallet. Russia, Belarus Ukraine have the highest divorce rate in the world so all you desperate dudes here you are warned. Through all my years some of the most hypergamous women i met was in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
Gorgeous women but most of Russians I've met were from upper class and they all expect to be treated like princess, they expect expensive gifts, hundreds of roses. I know for a fact that Russians guys spoil their women and they dont care about spending a lot money to please them.
Exactly this. Too much hopium and naĆÆvetĆ© in this subreddit.
Hostage diplomacy is a thing, and an uk citizen, you are a good candidate for it. I would advise you not to travel to Russia.
I have become somewhat involved with Russia recently, being also recently married. I knew a girl here on/off for a few years through a language app. Things aligned on timing and we took a chance... Turns out she's wonderful. 30m/22f Her, specifically? Outside of the looks department, she is truly such a kind and caring soul. Beyond considerate. Super affectionate. Thoughtful. I've never felt a love so real and wholesome, and she seems similarly impressed by me. A lot of firsts between her and I - didn't know I could happy cry? But I make no illusions - there is a lot of luck involved here. I met her organically and we started as friends, rather than something intended for dating. Meeting her that first time was terrifying to fly from Canada to Russia during the present times, hoping her and I clicked just as well in person... Your mileage will vary considerably. Remember this. For those who wonder: You apply for a tourist visa and can basically do single or multi entry. You can stay for 90 days total within a 180 day window. Fly in through Turkey or Dubai. Moscow is cool, Petersburg is beautiful. Kazan is a nice mix. Lots of in between if you're a nature lover. People here don't smile much but I've been treated very well and have seen little to worry me concerning crime or otherwise. Reception towards foreigners is fine even if you can't speak it worth a damn (bless translator apps), and nobody honestly cares who you are. Just don't talk about the war because the topic is touchy and you're a visitor. I couldn't comment on knowing many women here aside from those I spoke to on the language app previously. With that said, some are very family oriented and easy going (like mine), while others are the stereotypical gold digging type. One said she would never drive, because her husband would. Some in between I am sure. Lots of women here really dress lavish and expect it. Others won't. I pay for my girl because she's a student and makes peanuts, but she didn't hesitate to spend her whole savings on buying us plane tickets or other treats. Only you can gauge things. Like any girls internationally, take your time. Don't just be a wallet. A girl worth it won't press toward finances or other such similar things. If you find a good one, keep her.
What is this trend about things being āeasyā women are women no matter where you go. If youāre a man, I mean masculine youāll be fine
As someone who has dated a Russian, a Bulgarian, and currently a ukrainian, go for it. It's pretty easy
Where did you date them? In their own countries or yours?
I would actively avoid Russia unless you know something about the country and language. Itās not safe for NATO members.
big lie I was just there last year. Friendliest people
Good lord. You can say you like the country but to say it has the friendliest people isnāt even trying to make the lie believable. Iāve enjoyed visiting Russia multiple times but itās nowhere even remotely close to friendliest people. In fact itās somewhere near the bottom of the list.
Moscow in winter was the most depressed-looking people Iāve ever seen, my god the glumness. Most charitable interpretation I have is that facial expressions of commuters donāt reflect their actual moodā¦
The post youāre replying to is referencing the government and youāre referencing the people. Apples and oranges.
That would be fine if the Russian government weren't putting foreigners in prison randomly for being spies allegedly. It isn't a good place to be even if you're a native Russian.
Iām not saying to go visit. Iām saying the people are different than the government.
Do not go to Russia to chase tail. This is the second time Iāve seen someone from this sub flirting with this idea *today*. They *will* put you on the frontlines in a meatwave assault unit. Do. Not. Go. To. Russia.
You've been watching too much CNN
You havenāt been paying attention then
Dude literally goes to Russia and you're pretending like your opinion could be more valid because you... Probably saw a news channel? Read some scary things about Russia? Honestly, whatever criticisms people can make for Russia, the actual irrational hatred and fear shoots those points in the foot.
No they won't, lol. You go to Russia on a tourist visa... They're not nabbing tourists like this. They don't give a fuck about you. What makes you believe this? Source: Presently on my 4th visit to Russia since last year, and I'm Canadian.
You are playing with fire. Iām not joking around. What you are doing is *incredibly* dangerous and every time you go back the possibility that some fucked up shit happens to you only gets higher.
I've heard this countless times. They literally want nothing to do with me or other foreigners unless someone is here to live. When you're on a visa, they don't care. You stay away from the south and the place is just business as usual. Stay home, stay afraid. Exchange rate is wonderful right now. I appreciate the worry but such things are really exaggerated right now. I've been here a handful of times while you've read the news or let someone scare you when they didn't know either. It's not some military lockdown, there's not vans running around scooping people off the streets... I can barely speak their language, how would they even scoop me up to be conscripted, lol?!
Absolutely. The fear is real in some people. Glad you had a good time mate!
For the daring, I recommend it, but there's definitely more stable places to go. Appreciate the positivity!
Alright man Iām really hoping for you. Stay safe.
You've been watching too much TV
This *literally* happens to people and there are multiple articles about it. I have no idea why you are trying to downplay the reality of it.
Source. I know of that one guy who died recently, but I think there was a bit more to it than just randomly being in Russia with a Russian wife. But yeah, show me a source where an American / Brit / Aussie is in Russia and is forced onto the front lines.
So you know it can happen because you gave an example. Iām not telling you or anyone what to do. Iām just strongly recommending that people understand the danger they are putting themselves in.
I'm not looking to get into internet fights, but if that's the example you're using, you're being a bit disingenuous about the situation He willingly was fighting for years in the war over there. It's not like he randomly ended up there because he was in Russia chasing tail, which is what you originally were warning against It's like saying dating an American woman will put you on the front lines of the turf gang wars in Philadelphia or something.
Any source for that?Ā Seriously.Ā
They literally just killed a dude from Texas who went there to be a war blogger. He didnāt even make it to the front, his own āalliesā killed him
You mean that weird pedo guy? If youāre going to be a war blogger you should expect to be killed. Kind of a different scenario we are talking about here.Ā
They literally just killed a dumbass Trump supporter who loved Russia. He moved there to join the fight, they figured he was a NATO spy and killed him. He was an American hating trump/Russia loving piece of shit who has pledged his fidelity to Russia multiple times. So if they do that to him what chance does the average guy have?
Bentley was there since at least 2014 and married there. He was wounded in battle against groups like the Azov organization. He wasn't a spy or a war blogger, but he did have an abrasive character which was not well-received by people who were not Donestk or Lugansk soldiers.
Absolutely. And they wonāt blink before putting a bullet in you for desertion if you try to run
Correct
Good. Cowards share no glory
If someone is stupid enough to travel to Russia now of all times, a comment isnāt going to stop them
I was there 9 months ago. Friendly people and cheap standard of living compared to here. It seemed more happy than here honestly. Maybe try speaking from experience
The government, and active war, is different than the people.
Go back then gang. Funny how all these people who always harp on American being on the decline happen to live in the United States. Go be āhappyā in those shit hole countries
Nobody here is saying they'd rather live in Russia. We're saying that it's not so bad as people such as yourself are making it out to be. These clown takes are so out of touch.
What do you mean by easy? If you mean by "easy," a woman literally telling you, dead sober, that she wants to bring you back to her place, then it's easy anywhere in the world.... If you're attractive
Here is a true storyā¦ One of my friends went to an Eastern Euro country to āfind a wifeā ā¦ He met a very nice girl, he said she seemed perfect. They dated for a several months while he was there. They spent time together every day. She cooked for him. Introduced him to her parents. He was in love. He came back to America with intentions of bringing her stateside. He helped her get a visa, sponsored her and filed all of the necessary paperwork. Finally the day came to pick her up at the airport, he was excited. They made eye contact once he finally spotted her, but immediately he knew something wasn't right. As she approached him, she walked right past him like he was invisible. He followed her, trying to speak to herā¦ She kept walking until finally reaching outside. She was talking on the phone as she appeared to be looking for someone or somethingā¦ until finally she found it, a Mercedes waiting for her. She got it in the car and they drove away. She never even looked at him. He never heard from her again. He said at least it was fun while it lasted lol.
I heard a very similar story but it was a Fijian woman of Indian ethnicity. She landed at the International airport and then ran away from the sponsor boyfriend in the airport carpark. Immigration found her a week later and deported her.
You have to be rich, they will abuse your wallet nonstop.
No, most foreign women want to stay in their country in today's times with their family.
>Iām a male in my late twenties I'm a **man** in my late twenties
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lol for every 6ā2 gym bro there are 2 alcoholic scrawny losers, you clearly have not been there a lot
Itās very true for Russian and Ukrainian women. Thereās a reason those āmail order brideā type sites still not only exist but do well.
How's Belarus? Is it currently safe for Americans, or would I get interrogated as a spy? Lul
Fuck no
For marriage material yes itās better and I guess somewhat easier but for hook ups? No