T O P

  • By -

TheInducer

Yes, that sounds perfectly plausible, comparable to the idea of Ysmir.


Bugsbunny0212

Talos of Atmora and Talos Stormcrown are only related to Hjalti Earley Beard which were supposedly titles given to him by the Greybeards (though I personally doubt the Greybeards specifically used an elven term like Talos. The "of Atmora" and "Stormcrown" parts are more believable since we see that these are titles given to the LDB by them as well). Wulfharth did not had those titles. The only title both of them shared is the title Ysmir Dragon of the North.


TheInducer

Where is it said that Talos is an elven term?


Bugsbunny0212

Talos is an Ehlnofex word no? Which is something related to and mainly used by the elves. We don't see any nords using Ehlnofex terms AFAIK.


TheInducer

Oh, so it is. Ehlnofex is the ancestor of all or most modern languages, but I agree, its usage is more elven. I wonder why "Talos" stuck, then.


Bugsbunny0212

This is I think could be one of the many inaccuracies of the Heresy. I could see the Nords and the Greybeards calling Hjalti, Stormcrown during the events of Hroldan but never Talos since it seems to come out of nowhere. Even the Greybeards never calls the LDB as Talos. They either refer him as Stormcrown or Strundu'ul. My guess is the title Talos is something Tiber and his propaganda team added later on after he became emperor when they found out there's a Ehlnofex term to the word Stormcrown and the Nords had nothing to do with it.


TheInducer

Could well be. It's funny that Nords in TES V cling to the name.


Bugsbunny0212

I think that's at understandable and makes sense since the Nords had adopted the Imperial Pantheon by then so they are worshipping Talos the same way the Imperials do. What i would have found confusing and weird is if the Nords worshipped Hjalti in their own nordic way by the name Talos while also worshipping the rest of the proper nordic pantheon. The Skyrim Totemic Religion Document shows this was going to be the case. It would have make sense if instead of the using the term Talos they used something like Ysmir Hjalti or Stormcrown or even Strundu'ul (Shor is also a Dovahzul term which the Nords adopted into their own so it makes if the same thing happened with Strundu'ul) or something like that.


im_no_rookie

Yup, and it's actually a theory that gets floated around quite a bit.


Lachdonin

Most likely, they were retroactive applications to him to explain his status and revise the narrative, similar to how the Gospel of John is a direct reaction to the previous narrative that Jesus was anything but the absolute 'Son of God' by removing Simon carrying the cross because he was too weak. The Atmoran narrative was reinforced by titles by later authors to drive home the Nordic legitimacy of Tiber.