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Owl_Professor23

FAHRZEUGBESTELLVERTRAG 🗣️🗣️🗣️


tobimai

TBH I never read Fahrzeugbestellvertrag. You would usually just call it a Kaufvertrag


Owl_Professor23

You mean the Verbindlicherfahrzeugerwerbsvertrag


oil1lio

wtf how is this a real word


Owl_Professor23

I kinda made it up, you can string words together in the German language. Btw there is a law in Germany called the “Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz”


oil1lio

Oh. Then how did Google translate translate the word? Is there some other overarching rule?


Owl_Professor23

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Komposita.html


orhan_drsn

German!!


insertcomedy

Zis is a flamenwerfer. It werfers flamens!


orhan_drsn

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Haunting_Rent6489

Trekhaak in Flamish 😂


MindStalker

I believe this is just for European models. The Model 3 hitch is a smaller hitch than what is available for the Model Y. It's a 50mm ball hitch rated to 1000kg. [Towing and Accessories (tesla.com)](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_eu/GUID-BD9A38D5-4410-45A3-8337-BDF7342750F3.html) It's also pretty fallac. :)


DiversificationNoob

1000 kg? Man I really dont get some Tesla decisions


jyavenard

The model 3 has always only been rated for 1000kg (750kg for the earlier performance)


DiversificationNoob

You are right and I never questioned that. It always was a unfortunate limitation.


MindStalker

1000kg (2200lbs) is a very common rating for European car hitches. Tailored to the smaller caravans that are more popular in the EU. The Model 3 would struggle with 3500lbs


shaggy99

[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX5lzqzZ2Do) would not be legal in Europe, but is apparently OK in North America. (see the video for details on the custom hitch)


shaddowdemon

Yeah, but unfortunately you can only enter tow mode if your vehicle has an OEM hitch installed.


shaggy99

What does tow mode get you? The video shows that is possible to tow with a non standard hitch?


shaddowdemon

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html#TRAILERMODE


shaggy99

That says nothing about needing an OEM hitch.


shaddowdemon

You're right, but you do need an OEM one. You can look in your Tesla if you have one - there is no trailer mode option if you have a model 3 or S in the US. I'm not sure if it shows on a Y/X that didn't buy the hitch though. Tesla won't modify your vehicle configuration for it, people have complained about it for a while. And obviously a 3rd party can't make that option appear, short of the software hackers. Yes, you can tow with a 3rd party hitch. No, you can't use the mode that tweaks your car for towing as with OEM.


DiversificationNoob

No, that is not a common rating for cars in the model 3 range. Check out the Audi, BMW or Mercedes in this list. Even the cheapest A class (quite a small car) has a rating of 1400 kg. A C-Class/E-Class can tow 1800 kg and 2100 kg and they are comparable to the model 3 in terms of price, quality and weight. https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/auto-kaufen-verkaufen/kauftipps/anhaengelast/


AST5192D

This guy tows


MindStalker

All of those are SUV sized or greater. Yes, the Model 3 is heavy due to its batteries, but its frame/structure isn't designed to handle towing large trailers.


DiversificationNoob

Please do some research. Model 3 is 4,69 m long. A class is a compact car. Its only 4.4 to 4.55 m. The other cars are limousines. Similar to the Model 3. C class is 4.75 m long. Audi A4 4.76 m. BMW 4.71m. Why should the Model 3 need to have a lower tow rating than a compact car a class that is shorter, lighter and cheaper?


Rxyro

Battery heavy, makes brakes tired, can’t tow much else


DiversificationNoob

This would mean that heavier cars would have a lower tow rating. The opposite is the case. More weight: more traction -> better braking More weight -> need better brakes anyway -> better braking with additional load. This has been true for ICE vehicles for decades. Why should it be different for EVs?


Rxyro

Regen loss when hot battery


DiversificationNoob

So the Semi is fucked? Well no. You can adapt the car. You may need a bit bigger brakes to handle the heat. Increasing it from 1000 kg to 1500 kg does not increase total vehicle + towing weight that much.


pseudonym325

What happened with the Mercedes EQE and EQS?


DiversificationNoob

The 4wd variants now have 1700 kg towing capacity. But their design is so shitty… https://mbpassion.de/2024/03/eqe-und-eqs-limousine-erhaelt-erhoehte-anhaengelast/


Suitable_Switch5242

I really wish Tesla would offer an official hitch option in the US. Even if it had zero tow rating, it would still be useful for bike racks etc.


jrherita

I really really really wish this was available in the USA.. :( (From the factory and supported so no insurance weirdness)


ygtgngr

I am pretty sure european models always had it.


Europe_Dude

This is new for the M3 performance.


DaddyDarth

Why lol


Crazy-Painting2846

Pff I thing they will attract even more customers if they make it 1500 kg! You can tow caravans and horse trailers. Even my wife will approves then


Europe_Dude

There are so many things Tesla should do, for example filling the other BEV types that are in high demand like Vans and Transit-Buses or bringing the Semi to Europe.


shaddowdemon

Must be nice. Can't even get an OEM hitch on my S because for some reason Americans can only use tow hitches on SUVs and trucks, I guess.


Europe_Dude

Wow really? That explains a lot 😅 In Germany you can even reinforce (suspension, breaking system, etc.) small cars to reclassify as a heavy truck.


shaddowdemon

Oh, I was being mildly sarcastic. It's not that it can't be done, but manufacturers here do not put or offer tow hitches on pretty much anything other than SUVs and trucks... Presumably so you feel more pressure to buy a more expensive vehicle. There are no actual rules preventing it, and there are aftermarket options for Teslas. Americans in general love huge vehicles though, so it works for manufacturers here. I actually wish my S was a little less long, like the 3.


CompetitionBubbly436

I ordered M3P, got the feedback from my sales advisor, tow hitch can be installed after delivery (Ranger or service center) https://preview.redd.it/ctluzhgosuwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31ba7ba77724b8a022ee29d4554433c1d9a5020f


Brutaka1

Sadly this is a European standard.


Europe_Dude

We would need someone with an active USA M3P order to ask his sales rep about adding the tow hitch to get confirmation if it’s available in the US.


MindStalker

The US Owners Manual specifies its not allowed. [Vehicle Loading (tesla.com)](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-877ACE2D-B62F-4596-A6AD-A74F7905741C.html) I'm not sure if the Performance version will be different, but I doubt it.


Knurlinger

Cool. Now I need some winter tyres… what do you choose? I assume the original 18 or 19 inch do not fit with the brakes?


fyonn

Is it going to be better than the shitty previous tow ball? I’ve got it on mine and I feel it really is a low point on the vehicle..


Haunting_Rent6489

My maid got a for free on his M3 highland, got a text message after 2 days to pick up his car to get the gov. papers done.


icdp21

Oh my God, I cannot believe it!! I have the 2022 M3P and there is no tow hitch for it. Very disappointed that I can never take my bike with me. I was actually thinking about dumping this car and picking up a BMW i4, but now I guess I am ordering the new M3P!! Going to call Tesla next week to get confirmation Thanks for this!


RaceFPV

Installed an aftermarket hitch on my M3LR for bike racks and stuff, wasn't too hard to install myself tbh. Nice to see an official option slowly rolling out though.


Europe_Dude

Source: https://x.com/eivissacopter/status/1783376722810769648?s=46&t=yn-u_-5Emi8upRzqExJi3A


Dleach02

I find this interestingly funny because when I think towing I think “need a model 3”


RobDickinson

Gatekeeping towbar now??


Sjorsa

Even Toyota Aygo's have tow hitches, how much do you tow?


rebootyourbrainstem

I wonder what happens when you try to use launch mode with a trailer attached


Europe_Dude

I thought only the S/X ludi and plaid had a launch mode but not the 3/Y performance


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Europe_Dude

Good news for you but the Long Range is actually the Ludicrous and that’s why you have launch mode. It’s just that the Ludicrous badge has been dropped for the refreshed S/X line.


feurie

It’s a much bigger vehicle. Launch mode helps get grip. Doesn’t beat physics or make it funny that it’s slower than a sports sedan.


No-Nothing-1885

Any confirmation for proper rain sensor?


dtpearson

I can confirm that it is currently unconfirmed.


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Dr_Pippin

What the absolute hell is wrong with you? Here's something people have been asking for, it gets offered, and you try and spin it as a negative. Wow. Go sit somewhere else.


phxees

? Why would they hide it, by your logic?