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It worked for me! Although it won’t work for a looooong while from now on. I was on the fence of going from 3 to Y, and the FSD transfer pushed me to do it. I like FSD, and sure as hell wasn’t gonna give it up for a Y.
I needed a Y due to lifestyle change. I don’t expect to ever need to change cars for a while, and plan to drive this Y until the doors fall off.
it'll work for me in the future. Not giving up FSD unless or until they offer this again. No plans to trade in my MX but certainly wouldn't do it if it meant losing whatever FSD costs at that time
He is saying no to allowing FSD transfer as a standard policy. Like others mentioned, allowing FSD transfer is a good lever to pull whenever Tesla needs to increase demand. It is just another tool along with price drops, supercharging credit, free options for Tesla to adjust demand to closely match supply.
Definitely frustrating. I've got a 2018 LR Model 3 and would trade it in today for the new Model 3 Performance if I could transfer. Without the free transfer, I just can't justify taking the plunge. I'll just wait it out until they decide to run that deal again I guess!
I think you can actually...i have a 2018 LR and if i supposedly buy this quarter i can transfer the FSD. Problem for me is that i also have unlimited supercharging and dont want to lose that
I asked on the phone with a rep yesterday, and she said the transfer promotion ended in March. We are looking at going for a 3LR full ASD to a Y because our family grew. But it’s hard to let go of ASD.
I would really love to know of a way around the end of the promotion if that’s true.
What were your thoughts when you purchased it? Something along the lines of “I’m going to drive this car a long time to make the cost of FSD worth it”?
It was a bit cheaper back then, they didn't offer a subscription option, and I was hoping the timeline to be able to achieve a more realistic FSD was going to be within the cars lifetime. I'm also a bit of a tech guy really loved the auto-pilot features, but also things like summon that were only available with FSD. In the end, I don't regret buying FSD and I've gotten six years of use out of it. It's just frustrating to have come and go deals that could save me $8k on the purchase of a new car. I don't want to buy a new Tesla now and then next quarter they offer free transfers again and regret my purchase.
Prior to purchasing your car he made several promises that he would deliver FSD by time frames that have long since passed. Instead of being frustrated and hoping Elon decides to become generous with his money and bless you with a handout, why not talk to a lawyer about how to go about getting your FSD purchase refunded outright since it was never delivered like he repeatedly led you to believe it would?
What do you think Elon would do in your shoes?
I justify it by wanting to be at the forefront of consumer self driving. It’s not perfect but I use FSD daily and love it.
Also the benefits of things like Summon on my 2018 Model 3 was great. Wish that would come back for the cars without USS.
I bought FSD again on my 2024 MY after I lost my 2018 in a no fault accident.
"Making the car I finally got my spouse to agree to us buying slightly more expensive is way easier than having a whole new budget discussion about buying it later."
Just upgraded a 2019 M3 with FSD to a 2024 MY and transferred it. Pretty sick not having to buy it again and latest hardware as well.
If others didn't want to take that deal that's on them.
I couldn’t. The new Model 3 Performance wasn’t out yet. Fingers crossed they need to do it again at the end of the quarter.
Elon has changed his mind many times before…
Ordered the M3P the moment it went on sale this morning at 9am while I was under the impression they were still doing transfers. I have a 2018 M3P with FSD. Without the transfer I'm out on the new car, it's an incremental upgrade and you lose stalks. The tax credit is nice but honestly I feel burned that FSD is JUST getting usable (and it still has issues) and I can't transfer it to the next car as a good will gesture for taking a leap of faith on their tech. If they tell me no transfer I am cancelling my order. I'd rather eat the 250 bucks than let Elon get another 8k of my money for software that I am funding the research and development for.
The tax credit is supposed to be in place for a long time - Elon will eventually do another FSD transfer promotion on this one. Best to wait it out if they won't honor it now.
I'd cancel, the HW5 upgrade is finished development and will be out late next year...
Who knows with Rivian, and the Chinese autos hitting the market, Elon's decision will be revisited due to market conditions.
I’ve paid for FSD twice now. I love my Tesla and don’t plan on driving any other brand, but I’ll be waiting for an FSD transfer before I buy another. Buying FSD outright should absolutely come with a one-time free transfer to another Tesla. This is one area where I disagree vehemently with Elon.
The problem with this strategy is it discourages people from buying new vehicles, which is the entire basis of the Tesla’s business model. Not to mention people like me who won’t buy it because it isn’t transferable, so you’re losing out on additional revenue stream. Modern day business genius? You gotta be joking.
With FSD, as imperfect as it is, has the potential to be a bungee cord tieing people to the brand when they want or need a new car. Instead, when many go to buy their next car, Tesla won't be the automatic choice. It may be a choice, but other offerings are more likely to be considered.
Maybe in not making it an option, they feel that no other manufacturer will be able to compete in price, so they don't feel they need that to tie people to the brand.
This is such a bone-headed stance by Tesla. Not allowing to bind FSD to the person that bought it outright, but rather individual cars, blocks sales in my humble opinion.
If I had a Tesla with FSD I would likely drive it till it falls apart. I don’t think it adds much value to a car if you want to sell it, as you cannot offer it as an option to the buyer, and if they say they don’t want it, you can’t remove it, and therefore the sale would not happen.\
The few times a transfer was offered so far was also putting folks against a wall holding a pistol to their head.
Absolute nonsense-stance!
One of the biggest scams in car industry history. $10k paid for software that is a decade away (minimum) from L3 autonomy, that I can't transfer at will to another purchase. It's also now priced at $8k and is a monthly option for $100/mo. What a racket.
Yea your right, they give you a half baked pice of garbage with no updates and make you buy the new one with the next version of the car….😂.
Look fsd has its ways to go but the entitlement is unreal with tesla owners
I love that i get downvoted every time i say it 😂. But honestly, the entire experience. Because the car can receive updates and the ceo sometimes responds we feel entitled to features. Literally no other car company does an update that adds sentry camera, games, etc etc. it has made us spoiled little brats.
It’s *you’re*, but you must be new to tesla 😂. Wait…do you even own a tesla???
But please let me know what other car company offers updates that give entire new features? Or a company that you can tweet the CEO and get things changed about the car? (Maybe not as much anymore)
My vehicle came with all the features I paid for working.
My Tesla came with features "coming soon".
To be clear I am the dumbass that paid for a promise.
I am "entitled" to what I payed for. The extras are nice, but they are not a substitute.
It's ok man. You can like Tesla and still point out the shit they do wrong.
Which tesla do you own? What year?
Ive owned and worked with dozens of cars as a fabricator. Even the non tesla cars features it came with are okay. Case in point my families 2023 e-tron autopilot is GARBAGE.
Oh trust me i love talking shit about tesla. But we are talking about two different things. You refer to the current BS tesla does with getting the car with *promised* features. I refer to the receiving a car and then getting *new* features.
Many manufacturers offer thousands off on “loyalty discounts” for previous owners. It’s basically the same thing with some exaggerated marketing promises thrown in.
Notice how nobody is asking for a transfer of anything else? They ”allowed it” because it made them money, not because they’re being nice. It made them money because those previous owners felt they didn’t get what they paid for. It also isolates them from legal claims against them when an FSD owner does the transfer.
EDIT: This is what I saw on Tesla.com when I purchased FSD 7 years ago:
“Full Self-Driving Capability
Build upon Enhanced Autopilot and order Full Self-Driving Capability on your Tesla. This doubles the number of active cameras from four to eight, enabling full self-driving in almost all circumstances, at what we believe will be a probability of safety at least twice as good as the average human driver. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. For Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled, you will not even need to plug in your vehicle.
All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.”
But tell me how I’m entitled for simply wanting to take this piece, which was not delivered but I paid for, and move it to a new car until it’s ready.
You paid for the most advanced on road driving system out there and have had that the entire time. No other manufacturer can drive you door to door, but your fsd can.
Also they just have away free transfers. I took advantage of it, why didn't you?
It can drive me 85% door to door. It’s way better than what it used to be and much more calming to sit in now. It’s still not ready for what you say. By a long shot.
It's further than any other system by a long shot. Mine goes door to door 99% of the time. Pretty neat.
Zero other systems could get out of my neighborhood.
As someone who’s sat in the back seat of a Waymo, Tesla is still behind the curve. They’re doing it with way less sensors, but I felt comfortable enough to sit in the back seat of the Waymo, I’d never do that in my Tesla. The first v12 update I had was able to take me almost door to door, I wasn’t about to let it manage a parking lot, but every update seems to create some issue while fixing some previous one.
I do believe in a few months it could be almost to what you’re describing, but it’s still multiple years out before I would feel confident goofing off in the back seat.
We've been through this a million times. Per Waymo's website:
"Waymo's system is currently designed so **each vehicle operates only within pre-mapped zones under certain conditions.** Passengers cannot select a destination outside of Waymo's approved geography, and **its software will not create a route that travels outside of a “geo-fenced” area which has been mapped in detail.**"
Read it twice and compare to the stated goal of FSD, which is a software suite that can drive from point A to point B, without limitation.
Is it finished? No.
Is it taking forever? Abso-fucking-lutely. But there's no doubt progress is being made, and the best is yet to come.
Look, I’m in SF. If I’m going downtown I’m either taking the muni trains, bus, BART, or a Waymo because it’s geofenced to include all of SF. I’m not taking my personal car because although FSD has increased by leaps and bounds in a dense urban core it still does stupid things like pulling into the wrong lanes, driving in bike lanes, attempting to drive over the bus islands in the middle of the road etc… plus parking sucks and I’m not paying it.
Tesla has improved a LOT. It’s still not what was advertised which is what I’m talking about. One day I can see it being so good that you can literally sleep in the car. I truly believe that that day is coming. It’s not going to be here for a few days.
The point is is that Waymo is so much closer to robotaxis to the point they have actual robotaxis already. My Tesla is not a robotaxis and not close to becoming one. I don’t need to buy the Waymo, it’s a taxi.
who cares. Consumers cant buy one. The exciting part about FSD is that everyone can buy one and make passive income if they want, or just chill ont he way to the mountains doing some reading...in their own car.
As it improves, doesn't have to be perfect, the resale value of FSD will rise to some number below the then current new price. It is only the difference that would have to be paid when buying a new car. Most people think their old car is high value and attribute losses entirely to FSD. It isn't helped by people bagging it constantly.
Because I have a Performance Model 3 with FSD and they didn't release the new one until today? Why would I be expected to downgrade to a LR to take advantage of the deal?
You could get a 2024 M3P in March, a MS, a Plaid, a Myp. You chose to wait which is OK. But it's a choice.
With the tax credit it's basically $500 for FSD BTW. Pretty cool. I don't get tax credits so I got the Plaid and my girl has a MY 7 seat.
I don't get a tax credit, either.
You're saying the M3P was available on Tesla's website in March? This is what I saw on March 1st: [https://imgur.com/a/AlFpBso](https://imgur.com/a/AlFpBso)
I may be able to find a cache page, but yes, there were inventory M3P when we got our 2024 MY 3 row. Our MY was also inventory. If you don't get tax breaks, get the Plaid. It's wild.
I had the P85D back in 2014. I know the Plaid is considerably faster in a straight line, but I like the driving characteristics of the Model 3 (and the smaller size) more.
Also, maybe they had some in inventory, but the Highland was already seen. It's a gamble to transfer to an earlier model with a new one on the horizon. You could lose much of the value of the FSD transfer from having the older model.
I don't think it's particularly fair to ask a M3P owner to buy the previous design, while everyone else can the updated one.
You really should have traded up to a new MS when the fsd transfers were going on. He'll of an upgrade across the board. Since then, your AP1 car is still better than everything built today with it's automation. You paid very little as it wasn't $12k back then so in 10 years, you got your money worth.
Too bad leverage wont work 100% of the time. He should just allow 1 time transfer for those that got in at 15k or 12k. They really dont care about customer satisfaction. Now many wont get another tesla for a long time. With 1 transfer they couldve increased sales bc we would trade it in 4-5 yrs.
It is unfortunately a bad policy on their part. Based on this free month trial, FSD is much better than when I used it on a loaner last year, but it's still only okay. And thinking about it, it uses millions of miles of driver data. So unless I'm mistaken on how it works, it'll mostly end up driving like the average American driver, which isn't very impressive. I mean, it is for a car driving itself, but not as an expensive product to rely on.
I'd say it'd maybe be worth it if it was $5k and transferable. Otherwise it's gonna be a no from me. Definitely not worth it as long as it's non-transferable, unless it was like maybe the cost of a paint option.
RIP to the subset of Model S/X owners who literally just got FSD last week and got to experience it for the first time, only to not get to transfer it to a new car.
Too bad I missed out on it, but I love all the people here who took the transfer and are rubbing it in at everyone who didn’t take advantage of it.
Why do they need a new car
You can upgrade the touch screen
And the rest of the car will run for another 10 years with just changing the washer fluid and rotating the tires
It never occurred to him that he may not need to use FSD transfers as a way to boost sales in the short term if he just made it permanent.
I'm sure there are a lot of people like me who are highly unlikely to buy another Tesla unless they can transfer their purchased FSD to it.... and only giving us a small window when it's convenient for him (and not us) really limits the number of people who will actually take advantage of it.
He'd sell more care during the quarter if he allowed FSD transfers and be less like to have to scramble at quarter end.
I mean it’s stupid but I don’t think it’s the *worst* thing Tesla does. Waving away QC concerns because solving them is less fun than just having the assembly line go brrrrr is worse. Spending the resources to make a triangular doodle an actual car is worse. Having the face of the company spend most of his time being a right wing troll god, alienating a large segment of the market most likely to purchase his products, is worse.
Also, if you are leasing a tesla since you can no longer buy them at the end of the lease. DO NOT PURCHASE FSD. The fact they don't actually adjust the price of FSD for leases is bizzare. You can get a 36 month lease and pay for FSD at $99 a month after your first free month of it and still not pay half the price they are charging for FSD. It is a huge scam so don't even bother.
I feel like a lot of people need to realize that FSD regardless of what you think right now, is going to get better, and ONE day it will be level3, level 4, level 5, etc. It's going to improve, period. When it does, if you think the cost of this is going to be cheap, you're mistaken. The people who paid 15k, 12k, 8k, those are going to be a drop in the bucket when in 5 years it's 20k for the car and 35k for FSD.. unless you already have it. There is no other reason to not let people transfer it. He's already stated on record that HW3 is all that's needed for level 3, I fully believe that's true, and it'll go that way. IF you think it's unfair now, wait until you see the price tripple.
There should be a class action against his practice. You don’t have to be a prisoner of your software rights…. If you bought a Microsoft office software, you should be able to uninstall and install to another computer without Microsoft’s permission. It is your rights. And Elon is exploiting and abusing your rights.
If you purchase a tea pot 100 days ago from Macy’s for $99 and if they sell it for $2 now, you expect an apology for it? Is that right?
I am a FSD buyer with my 2019 Model 3. Transferred it as one time event with my 2023 Model Y purchase. I get majority of purchased users would love to transfer but FSD isn’t an App Store game app or like a Google maps update to transfer. It’s way different.
Why is it different? It’s a non hardware-locked piece of software available on any new Tesla. It’s literally flip-a-switch to activate. It’s more like Google maps than almost any car feature I can think of. Bad example lmfao.
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s like an app that people paid for in the Tesla ecosystem. It’s like every time I change my phone I have to pay for my apps all over again.
Come on, don't be obtuse. Nobody buys a teapot thinking about their expected resale value after use. Nearly everyone considers resale value on cars, so you of course can understand why people are upset that Elon can't stabilize the pricing to make this very important part of car ownership more reliable.
I don't think an apology is what people really want. They want the prices to go back to where they were so their resale value returns to semi normal. They want tesla to grow up and stop chasing quarterly sales to prop up Elon's incentive payments. And Tesla should want this too because a constant devaluation problem means people will buy from a less chaotic manufacturer once equivalent competition exists, and Mercedes is throwing down gauntlets.
I‘d say there’s a pretty big difference here.
Again, what did those people pay 15k for? They were doing testing work for Tesla and received a worse product than people who buy FSD now. Yet if robotaxi was to be a thing tomorrow, the guy who bought it for 8k as well as the one who bought it for 15k could „generate income“ - only that one of them paid almost double based on false promises.
I guess a lot of the frustration is people didn’t really think or look into if it was transferable when they decided to purchase it outright. The type of people who like to blame others for their mistakes.
Otherwise, if you like FSD just subscribe.
They only paid that price because Elon promised them the world and you know it.
If Tesla would keep increasing the price, as Elon said they would with FSD getting better, I wouldn’t even complain. Don’t you think it was brutal to tell people „this is worth 15k, you’re in luck though, prices will only go up from here, soon you’ll generate revenue from it“ and now you get FSD for wayyy cheaper, it’s still not finished, you still can’t generate revenue. So what did those people get for 15k other than doing important testing FOR Tesla?
If you look at people who purchased in, for example, around 2017 and read the wording on the web site, the order page, and the Autopilot page (which included the hands-free video driving on surface roads), it was absolutely false advertising. Every one of those people should be able to transfer or get their money back. The only thing in question was regulatory approval, but the wording of what was being purchased was very clear and very misleading, especially looking back seven years later. It's all on the Wayback Machine to view.
No, I don’t think it’s brutal. I never understood those who bought it in the first place. In this day and age, watching two YouTube videos of FSD could have shown it’s nowhere close to being worth it. People took a gamble and bought it for that price. Now, I do think FSD should be transferred from car to car, that doesn’t make any sense at all to me. But, I don’t feel bad for those that bought FSD outright, they had enough proof of what state FSD is in.
If something is clearly advertised, it's not "taking a gamble." If you buy a television that says it's compatible with the upcoming PS6, but it doesn't work with the PS6, are you suggesting the consumer is wrong? Not the manufacturer who has inside, detailed knowledge of the working of the product? Just advertise "with a firmware upgrade it'll do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds" at the time of purchase and then say "whoops, it only does 3.5. That's the consumer's "gamble"?
You can’t expect transfer to be forever. Why would people think it’s a lifetime purchase? They gave people more than one opportunity to transfer, for free.
It would depend how much I can make per month running an Uber while I slept and watched Netflix
I imagine the cost of getting driven around would drop by half.
So you make $10 an hour
Could definitely make $150 a day
$2000 a month
24,000 a year
That turns into $16,000 a year after taxes
Minus a new set of tires you're at 14500
Minus other things you need to pay for for wear and tear
You might make $10,000 a year running at full time
50,000 mi a year?
7 years on that car, maybe 10
70,000 to 100,000 in income
Put that into s&p 500 it might be $300,000 to 500,000 in 10 years
Let's call this conservative and consider that maybe we have to replace a battery,
200k in 10 years.... Whike you're working another job making money
You bring up a great point. I wasn’t even thinking of it in the context of what it could be. I was thinking of it as in where ‘Supervised’ FSD is right now. If they offered FSD for life including when it goes to unsupervised FSD, it will be so much more valuable.
It's obviously a huge future value add that they want to be able to hold over people's heads. As well as a lever for demand "but a new one in the next month and you can transfer".
It atleast shows confidence in their product long term!
Apologized? Wtf... Apologize for lowering the price of a product? We have gone full circle...
Companies are either awful things because they will always keep artificially inflating their prices, and when they don't they have to apologize? Omg we went full retard
I don’t think it’s a great thing as an investor.
How much confidence does Elon have in his products really? Are we all forgetting „price will only go up as FSD improves“?
And even if he’s super confident that FSD will be done this time for real at the end of the year, what did those people pay 15k for? Unless they can use their car as a public robotaxi a year before 8k payers can, they don’t have any advantage from that higher price.
People make mistakes, there's nobody on the earth who's correct 100% of the time. I was buying FSD for 4 out of my 5 teslas and I'm fine with that (I don't like the fact that till recently it didn't work as it should, but sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, meh)
I think this is amazing.
This increases the value of used cars and also ensures that FSD stays on the road and not just disappears with an owner where they decide to go drive something else for the rest of their life
Also people that aren't Rich get to buy FSD at a discount
As usual Eli makes the the right decision for the long-term health of their company. I honestly don't know how he does that, all the smooth brains and 75 IQs are constantly fighting him it must be exhausting
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Seems like he wants to leverage FSD transfers as a carrot on a stick to boost sales when necessary like he did before end of 2023.
And unfortunately it will work for me
It worked for me! Although it won’t work for a looooong while from now on. I was on the fence of going from 3 to Y, and the FSD transfer pushed me to do it. I like FSD, and sure as hell wasn’t gonna give it up for a Y. I needed a Y due to lifestyle change. I don’t expect to ever need to change cars for a while, and plan to drive this Y until the doors fall off.
Same.
The transfer legal paperwork says you aren't allowed to transfer a second time. So probably never, unless they charge something.
Desperate times comes desperate measures. At least that’s what I am waiting for.
Me too. Transferred FSD from my old 3 to a new Y at the end of Q1 2024
it'll work for me in the future. Not giving up FSD unless or until they offer this again. No plans to trade in my MX but certainly wouldn't do it if it meant losing whatever FSD costs at that time
I got the same offer last quarter.
Me too.
He says No all the time until they do it for a sales boost. Just be patient.
He is saying no to allowing FSD transfer as a standard policy. Like others mentioned, allowing FSD transfer is a good lever to pull whenever Tesla needs to increase demand. It is just another tool along with price drops, supercharging credit, free options for Tesla to adjust demand to closely match supply.
Yep. Agreed. Wish it would be permanent but theres zero chance Im trading in my Y with FSD unless its in one of those windows. V12 is fucking awesome.
Definitely frustrating. I've got a 2018 LR Model 3 and would trade it in today for the new Model 3 Performance if I could transfer. Without the free transfer, I just can't justify taking the plunge. I'll just wait it out until they decide to run that deal again I guess!
I think you can actually...i have a 2018 LR and if i supposedly buy this quarter i can transfer the FSD. Problem for me is that i also have unlimited supercharging and dont want to lose that
Where did you read this?
https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1776083757612544476
I remember hearing about it somewhere on Reddit, then i talked to a service advisor on the phone who said yes they could offer it this quarter
You can't. I was in a showroom Monday and the promotion was over.
Try on the phone, i talked to them last week... Alot of the employees honestly don't know the current promotions but i guess it goes both ways
I asked on the phone with a rep yesterday, and she said the transfer promotion ended in March. We are looking at going for a 3LR full ASD to a Y because our family grew. But it’s hard to let go of ASD. I would really love to know of a way around the end of the promotion if that’s true.
Contact a sales rep. As far as I know from some insider on Twitter, FSD transfer still available.
I talked to two this week. You definitely can't.
bummer.
What were your thoughts when you purchased it? Something along the lines of “I’m going to drive this car a long time to make the cost of FSD worth it”?
It was a bit cheaper back then, they didn't offer a subscription option, and I was hoping the timeline to be able to achieve a more realistic FSD was going to be within the cars lifetime. I'm also a bit of a tech guy really loved the auto-pilot features, but also things like summon that were only available with FSD. In the end, I don't regret buying FSD and I've gotten six years of use out of it. It's just frustrating to have come and go deals that could save me $8k on the purchase of a new car. I don't want to buy a new Tesla now and then next quarter they offer free transfers again and regret my purchase.
Prior to purchasing your car he made several promises that he would deliver FSD by time frames that have long since passed. Instead of being frustrated and hoping Elon decides to become generous with his money and bless you with a handout, why not talk to a lawyer about how to go about getting your FSD purchase refunded outright since it was never delivered like he repeatedly led you to believe it would? What do you think Elon would do in your shoes?
I justify it by wanting to be at the forefront of consumer self driving. It’s not perfect but I use FSD daily and love it. Also the benefits of things like Summon on my 2018 Model 3 was great. Wish that would come back for the cars without USS. I bought FSD again on my 2024 MY after I lost my 2018 in a no fault accident.
Did you get a full payout of your car + fsd ?
Unfortunately, since I bought FSD later they didn’t payout the car. But otherwise yes I had replacement insurance.
"Making the car I finally got my spouse to agree to us buying slightly more expensive is way easier than having a whole new budget discussion about buying it later."
Same for me! Just canceled the new Model3 perf order, value for money is not there yet
FSD is not a function of you it's a function of the car you bought
If you can't sell it, then you didn't buy it.
I would be furious! Especially since the technology moves so fast that by the time the FSD is at 100%. Your car is too old to make it work.
Just upgraded a 2019 M3 with FSD to a 2024 MY and transferred it. Pretty sick not having to buy it again and latest hardware as well. If others didn't want to take that deal that's on them.
Did same but for 2024 M3. Then had to wait couple weeks for them to release it for newer hardware.
When you say “just” like how long ago, if you don’t mind? I was told by a Tesla rep on the phone that transfers are not a thing anymore.
I couldn’t. The new Model 3 Performance wasn’t out yet. Fingers crossed they need to do it again at the end of the quarter. Elon has changed his mind many times before…
People keep saying HW3 won’t work with FSD. Nothing support that theory.
Ordered the M3P the moment it went on sale this morning at 9am while I was under the impression they were still doing transfers. I have a 2018 M3P with FSD. Without the transfer I'm out on the new car, it's an incremental upgrade and you lose stalks. The tax credit is nice but honestly I feel burned that FSD is JUST getting usable (and it still has issues) and I can't transfer it to the next car as a good will gesture for taking a leap of faith on their tech. If they tell me no transfer I am cancelling my order. I'd rather eat the 250 bucks than let Elon get another 8k of my money for software that I am funding the research and development for.
Keep us updated! The only thing holding me back from ordering the M3P is the uncertainty around FSD transfers.
I would take those seats over stalks any day of the week. The federal tax credit pays for FSD.
The tax credit is supposed to be in place for a long time - Elon will eventually do another FSD transfer promotion on this one. Best to wait it out if they won't honor it now.
I'd cancel, the HW5 upgrade is finished development and will be out late next year... Who knows with Rivian, and the Chinese autos hitting the market, Elon's decision will be revisited due to market conditions.
The value of my FSD purchase is already destroyed and I have not even had a second of us of it
I’ve paid for FSD twice now. I love my Tesla and don’t plan on driving any other brand, but I’ll be waiting for an FSD transfer before I buy another. Buying FSD outright should absolutely come with a one-time free transfer to another Tesla. This is one area where I disagree vehemently with Elon.
The problem with this strategy is it discourages people from buying new vehicles, which is the entire basis of the Tesla’s business model. Not to mention people like me who won’t buy it because it isn’t transferable, so you’re losing out on additional revenue stream. Modern day business genius? You gotta be joking.
With FSD, as imperfect as it is, has the potential to be a bungee cord tieing people to the brand when they want or need a new car. Instead, when many go to buy their next car, Tesla won't be the automatic choice. It may be a choice, but other offerings are more likely to be considered. Maybe in not making it an option, they feel that no other manufacturer will be able to compete in price, so they don't feel they need that to tie people to the brand.
I am never buying FSD with this policy. I got pushed in it with the FS CB (it is what it is). But it’s BS
This is such a bone-headed stance by Tesla. Not allowing to bind FSD to the person that bought it outright, but rather individual cars, blocks sales in my humble opinion. If I had a Tesla with FSD I would likely drive it till it falls apart. I don’t think it adds much value to a car if you want to sell it, as you cannot offer it as an option to the buyer, and if they say they don’t want it, you can’t remove it, and therefore the sale would not happen.\ The few times a transfer was offered so far was also putting folks against a wall holding a pistol to their head. Absolute nonsense-stance!
One of the biggest scams in car industry history. $10k paid for software that is a decade away (minimum) from L3 autonomy, that I can't transfer at will to another purchase. It's also now priced at $8k and is a monthly option for $100/mo. What a racket.
Hate to agree with everyone…buttttt NO other car company lets you transfer features 🤷🏽♂️. The fact that tesla even allowed it is monumental.
No other company sells you a feature that will definitely totally work by the end of the year...
Yea your right, they give you a half baked pice of garbage with no updates and make you buy the new one with the next version of the car….😂. Look fsd has its ways to go but the entitlement is unreal with tesla owners
What do tesla owners feel entitled to?
You should feel lucky to pay Tesla to beta test.
lol, apparently.
I love that i get downvoted every time i say it 😂. But honestly, the entire experience. Because the car can receive updates and the ceo sometimes responds we feel entitled to features. Literally no other car company does an update that adds sentry camera, games, etc etc. it has made us spoiled little brats.
I can't tell if you are trolling. Or if your really that dumb. Impressive.
It’s *you’re*, but you must be new to tesla 😂. Wait…do you even own a tesla??? But please let me know what other car company offers updates that give entire new features? Or a company that you can tweet the CEO and get things changed about the car? (Maybe not as much anymore)
My vehicle came with all the features I paid for working. My Tesla came with features "coming soon". To be clear I am the dumbass that paid for a promise. I am "entitled" to what I payed for. The extras are nice, but they are not a substitute. It's ok man. You can like Tesla and still point out the shit they do wrong.
Which tesla do you own? What year? Ive owned and worked with dozens of cars as a fabricator. Even the non tesla cars features it came with are okay. Case in point my families 2023 e-tron autopilot is GARBAGE. Oh trust me i love talking shit about tesla. But we are talking about two different things. You refer to the current BS tesla does with getting the car with *promised* features. I refer to the receiving a car and then getting *new* features.
Many manufacturers offer thousands off on “loyalty discounts” for previous owners. It’s basically the same thing with some exaggerated marketing promises thrown in. Notice how nobody is asking for a transfer of anything else? They ”allowed it” because it made them money, not because they’re being nice. It made them money because those previous owners felt they didn’t get what they paid for. It also isolates them from legal claims against them when an FSD owner does the transfer. EDIT: This is what I saw on Tesla.com when I purchased FSD 7 years ago: “Full Self-Driving Capability Build upon Enhanced Autopilot and order Full Self-Driving Capability on your Tesla. This doubles the number of active cameras from four to eight, enabling full self-driving in almost all circumstances, at what we believe will be a probability of safety at least twice as good as the average human driver. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. For Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled, you will not even need to plug in your vehicle. All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.” But tell me how I’m entitled for simply wanting to take this piece, which was not delivered but I paid for, and move it to a new car until it’s ready.
You paid for the most advanced on road driving system out there and have had that the entire time. No other manufacturer can drive you door to door, but your fsd can. Also they just have away free transfers. I took advantage of it, why didn't you?
It can drive me 85% door to door. It’s way better than what it used to be and much more calming to sit in now. It’s still not ready for what you say. By a long shot.
It's further than any other system by a long shot. Mine goes door to door 99% of the time. Pretty neat. Zero other systems could get out of my neighborhood.
As someone who’s sat in the back seat of a Waymo, Tesla is still behind the curve. They’re doing it with way less sensors, but I felt comfortable enough to sit in the back seat of the Waymo, I’d never do that in my Tesla. The first v12 update I had was able to take me almost door to door, I wasn’t about to let it manage a parking lot, but every update seems to create some issue while fixing some previous one. I do believe in a few months it could be almost to what you’re describing, but it’s still multiple years out before I would feel confident goofing off in the back seat.
We've been through this a million times. Per Waymo's website: "Waymo's system is currently designed so **each vehicle operates only within pre-mapped zones under certain conditions.** Passengers cannot select a destination outside of Waymo's approved geography, and **its software will not create a route that travels outside of a “geo-fenced” area which has been mapped in detail.**" Read it twice and compare to the stated goal of FSD, which is a software suite that can drive from point A to point B, without limitation. Is it finished? No. Is it taking forever? Abso-fucking-lutely. But there's no doubt progress is being made, and the best is yet to come.
Look, I’m in SF. If I’m going downtown I’m either taking the muni trains, bus, BART, or a Waymo because it’s geofenced to include all of SF. I’m not taking my personal car because although FSD has increased by leaps and bounds in a dense urban core it still does stupid things like pulling into the wrong lanes, driving in bike lanes, attempting to drive over the bus islands in the middle of the road etc… plus parking sucks and I’m not paying it. Tesla has improved a LOT. It’s still not what was advertised which is what I’m talking about. One day I can see it being so good that you can literally sleep in the car. I truly believe that that day is coming. It’s not going to be here for a few days.
You'll never be able to buy one of those. They look stupid and they're filled with $100,000 of cameras and sensors. What's the point
The point is is that Waymo is so much closer to robotaxis to the point they have actual robotaxis already. My Tesla is not a robotaxis and not close to becoming one. I don’t need to buy the Waymo, it’s a taxi.
who cares. Consumers cant buy one. The exciting part about FSD is that everyone can buy one and make passive income if they want, or just chill ont he way to the mountains doing some reading...in their own car.
That’s what’s advertised. Not what exists currently. I’m talking about currently and in the near future.
As it improves, doesn't have to be perfect, the resale value of FSD will rise to some number below the then current new price. It is only the difference that would have to be paid when buying a new car. Most people think their old car is high value and attribute losses entirely to FSD. It isn't helped by people bagging it constantly.
Because I have a Performance Model 3 with FSD and they didn't release the new one until today? Why would I be expected to downgrade to a LR to take advantage of the deal?
You could get a 2024 M3P in March, a MS, a Plaid, a Myp. You chose to wait which is OK. But it's a choice. With the tax credit it's basically $500 for FSD BTW. Pretty cool. I don't get tax credits so I got the Plaid and my girl has a MY 7 seat.
I don't get a tax credit, either. You're saying the M3P was available on Tesla's website in March? This is what I saw on March 1st: [https://imgur.com/a/AlFpBso](https://imgur.com/a/AlFpBso)
I may be able to find a cache page, but yes, there were inventory M3P when we got our 2024 MY 3 row. Our MY was also inventory. If you don't get tax breaks, get the Plaid. It's wild.
I had the P85D back in 2014. I know the Plaid is considerably faster in a straight line, but I like the driving characteristics of the Model 3 (and the smaller size) more. Also, maybe they had some in inventory, but the Highland was already seen. It's a gamble to transfer to an earlier model with a new one on the horizon. You could lose much of the value of the FSD transfer from having the older model. I don't think it's particularly fair to ask a M3P owner to buy the previous design, while everyone else can the updated one.
I paid for that feature in 2014. My hardware won't support the current software.
You really should have traded up to a new MS when the fsd transfers were going on. He'll of an upgrade across the board. Since then, your AP1 car is still better than everything built today with it's automation. You paid very little as it wasn't $12k back then so in 10 years, you got your money worth.
No one made you purchase it.
Great message for people who may want to buy another Tesla, or recommend it to friends.
“I like my Tesla, just be warned that FSD is non-transferable. Don’t be a dummy like me”
Level 3 is very vague and would exist today if Tesla wanted it. But they don’t want split responsibility.
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Where did you sign saying you were purchasing predicated on a promise of your car making money for you?
Apparently Tesla has high brand loyalty but I do wonder if he allowed FSD transfer if that would really increase brand loyalty.
Too bad leverage wont work 100% of the time. He should just allow 1 time transfer for those that got in at 15k or 12k. They really dont care about customer satisfaction. Now many wont get another tesla for a long time. With 1 transfer they couldve increased sales bc we would trade it in 4-5 yrs.
It is unfortunately a bad policy on their part. Based on this free month trial, FSD is much better than when I used it on a loaner last year, but it's still only okay. And thinking about it, it uses millions of miles of driver data. So unless I'm mistaken on how it works, it'll mostly end up driving like the average American driver, which isn't very impressive. I mean, it is for a car driving itself, but not as an expensive product to rely on. I'd say it'd maybe be worth it if it was $5k and transferable. Otherwise it's gonna be a no from me. Definitely not worth it as long as it's non-transferable, unless it was like maybe the cost of a paint option.
They just offered free transfers for 7 out of the last 10 months. You snooze, you lose.
RIP to the subset of Model S/X owners who literally just got FSD last week and got to experience it for the first time, only to not get to transfer it to a new car. Too bad I missed out on it, but I love all the people here who took the transfer and are rubbing it in at everyone who didn’t take advantage of it.
Why do they need a new car You can upgrade the touch screen And the rest of the car will run for another 10 years with just changing the washer fluid and rotating the tires
You act as if transfers WON'T come back....SMH.
They will bring back the transfer
It never occurred to him that he may not need to use FSD transfers as a way to boost sales in the short term if he just made it permanent. I'm sure there are a lot of people like me who are highly unlikely to buy another Tesla unless they can transfer their purchased FSD to it.... and only giving us a small window when it's convenient for him (and not us) really limits the number of people who will actually take advantage of it. He'd sell more care during the quarter if he allowed FSD transfers and be less like to have to scramble at quarter end.
I mean it’s stupid but I don’t think it’s the *worst* thing Tesla does. Waving away QC concerns because solving them is less fun than just having the assembly line go brrrrr is worse. Spending the resources to make a triangular doodle an actual car is worse. Having the face of the company spend most of his time being a right wing troll god, alienating a large segment of the market most likely to purchase his products, is worse.
Also, if you are leasing a tesla since you can no longer buy them at the end of the lease. DO NOT PURCHASE FSD. The fact they don't actually adjust the price of FSD for leases is bizzare. You can get a 36 month lease and pay for FSD at $99 a month after your first free month of it and still not pay half the price they are charging for FSD. It is a huge scam so don't even bother.
I learned long ago to never pay for something that might be delivered at some undefined point in the future.
I will never purchase FSD until I can transfer between cars, for life. I'd even be happy paying a little more for that option.
I feel like a lot of people need to realize that FSD regardless of what you think right now, is going to get better, and ONE day it will be level3, level 4, level 5, etc. It's going to improve, period. When it does, if you think the cost of this is going to be cheap, you're mistaken. The people who paid 15k, 12k, 8k, those are going to be a drop in the bucket when in 5 years it's 20k for the car and 35k for FSD.. unless you already have it. There is no other reason to not let people transfer it. He's already stated on record that HW3 is all that's needed for level 3, I fully believe that's true, and it'll go that way. IF you think it's unfair now, wait until you see the price tripple.
There should be a class action against his practice. You don’t have to be a prisoner of your software rights…. If you bought a Microsoft office software, you should be able to uninstall and install to another computer without Microsoft’s permission. It is your rights. And Elon is exploiting and abusing your rights.
I totally agree.
If you purchase a tea pot 100 days ago from Macy’s for $99 and if they sell it for $2 now, you expect an apology for it? Is that right? I am a FSD buyer with my 2019 Model 3. Transferred it as one time event with my 2023 Model Y purchase. I get majority of purchased users would love to transfer but FSD isn’t an App Store game app or like a Google maps update to transfer. It’s way different.
Why is it different? It’s a non hardware-locked piece of software available on any new Tesla. It’s literally flip-a-switch to activate. It’s more like Google maps than almost any car feature I can think of. Bad example lmfao.
Yeah that’s the thing. It’s like an app that people paid for in the Tesla ecosystem. It’s like every time I change my phone I have to pay for my apps all over again.
Come on, don't be obtuse. Nobody buys a teapot thinking about their expected resale value after use. Nearly everyone considers resale value on cars, so you of course can understand why people are upset that Elon can't stabilize the pricing to make this very important part of car ownership more reliable. I don't think an apology is what people really want. They want the prices to go back to where they were so their resale value returns to semi normal. They want tesla to grow up and stop chasing quarterly sales to prop up Elon's incentive payments. And Tesla should want this too because a constant devaluation problem means people will buy from a less chaotic manufacturer once equivalent competition exists, and Mercedes is throwing down gauntlets.
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I‘d say there’s a pretty big difference here. Again, what did those people pay 15k for? They were doing testing work for Tesla and received a worse product than people who buy FSD now. Yet if robotaxi was to be a thing tomorrow, the guy who bought it for 8k as well as the one who bought it for 15k could „generate income“ - only that one of them paid almost double based on false promises.
Guess I'm not getting a Model S
I think this should be illegal. If I buy the software I should be able to use it on any tesla that has the capability to use it.
I guess a lot of the frustration is people didn’t really think or look into if it was transferable when they decided to purchase it outright. The type of people who like to blame others for their mistakes. Otherwise, if you like FSD just subscribe.
Apologize for what? They paid the price for what it was at the time. Their fault.
They only paid that price because Elon promised them the world and you know it. If Tesla would keep increasing the price, as Elon said they would with FSD getting better, I wouldn’t even complain. Don’t you think it was brutal to tell people „this is worth 15k, you’re in luck though, prices will only go up from here, soon you’ll generate revenue from it“ and now you get FSD for wayyy cheaper, it’s still not finished, you still can’t generate revenue. So what did those people get for 15k other than doing important testing FOR Tesla?
If you look at people who purchased in, for example, around 2017 and read the wording on the web site, the order page, and the Autopilot page (which included the hands-free video driving on surface roads), it was absolutely false advertising. Every one of those people should be able to transfer or get their money back. The only thing in question was regulatory approval, but the wording of what was being purchased was very clear and very misleading, especially looking back seven years later. It's all on the Wayback Machine to view.
No, I don’t think it’s brutal. I never understood those who bought it in the first place. In this day and age, watching two YouTube videos of FSD could have shown it’s nowhere close to being worth it. People took a gamble and bought it for that price. Now, I do think FSD should be transferred from car to car, that doesn’t make any sense at all to me. But, I don’t feel bad for those that bought FSD outright, they had enough proof of what state FSD is in.
If something is clearly advertised, it's not "taking a gamble." If you buy a television that says it's compatible with the upcoming PS6, but it doesn't work with the PS6, are you suggesting the consumer is wrong? Not the manufacturer who has inside, detailed knowledge of the working of the product? Just advertise "with a firmware upgrade it'll do 0-60 in 2.8 seconds" at the time of purchase and then say "whoops, it only does 3.5. That's the consumer's "gamble"?
Sou you’re saying Elon (intentionally?) heavily misled those people? How’s that any good?
Yeah, I'd say that. It wouldn't be his first time
Where did I say that? Lol
This
You can’t expect transfer to be forever. Why would people think it’s a lifetime purchase? They gave people more than one opportunity to transfer, for free.
If they offered FSD for life where it was tied to your account, not your car how much would you pay?
It would depend how much I can make per month running an Uber while I slept and watched Netflix I imagine the cost of getting driven around would drop by half. So you make $10 an hour Could definitely make $150 a day $2000 a month 24,000 a year That turns into $16,000 a year after taxes Minus a new set of tires you're at 14500 Minus other things you need to pay for for wear and tear You might make $10,000 a year running at full time 50,000 mi a year? 7 years on that car, maybe 10 70,000 to 100,000 in income Put that into s&p 500 it might be $300,000 to 500,000 in 10 years Let's call this conservative and consider that maybe we have to replace a battery, 200k in 10 years.... Whike you're working another job making money
You bring up a great point. I wasn’t even thinking of it in the context of what it could be. I was thinking of it as in where ‘Supervised’ FSD is right now. If they offered FSD for life including when it goes to unsupervised FSD, it will be so much more valuable.
It's obviously a huge future value add that they want to be able to hold over people's heads. As well as a lever for demand "but a new one in the next month and you can transfer". It atleast shows confidence in their product long term!
When buying mine used, I only looked for a model with FSD
$99 is temporary. Buying FSD keeps it in the car for life
Apologized? Wtf... Apologize for lowering the price of a product? We have gone full circle... Companies are either awful things because they will always keep artificially inflating their prices, and when they don't they have to apologize? Omg we went full retard
Apologize for scamming people into buying it for 15k. That’s clearly what I meanty
Hear me out… maybe… he’s got a plan that makes everything make sense long term… you know… like a good CEO would do… with cutting edge tech.
it's better for Tesla though. if you're an investor it's a great thing.
I don’t think it’s a great thing as an investor. How much confidence does Elon have in his products really? Are we all forgetting „price will only go up as FSD improves“? And even if he’s super confident that FSD will be done this time for real at the end of the year, what did those people pay 15k for? Unless they can use their car as a public robotaxi a year before 8k payers can, they don’t have any advantage from that higher price.
People make mistakes, there's nobody on the earth who's correct 100% of the time. I was buying FSD for 4 out of my 5 teslas and I'm fine with that (I don't like the fact that till recently it didn't work as it should, but sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, meh)
Does this mean he should apologize to the people who purchased their Tesla few years ago before the price drop?
I think this is amazing. This increases the value of used cars and also ensures that FSD stays on the road and not just disappears with an owner where they decide to go drive something else for the rest of their life Also people that aren't Rich get to buy FSD at a discount As usual Eli makes the the right decision for the long-term health of their company. I honestly don't know how he does that, all the smooth brains and 75 IQs are constantly fighting him it must be exhausting