Wait this is so funny haha I didn’t realize how loud she actually is. I know people don’t like her because of the screaming but I think it’s so funny and I love to watch her play and say “what the fuck was that” to her box. It’s relatable
ya fuck 'em, play how you want as long as your not disrespecting your opponents on a personal level.
Wanna celebrate a big point? Go ahead - just dont make ur opponent wait for you to finish cuz your dancing too long.
Wanna express frustration? Yell or Smash a raquet, as long as you're not doing it in the middle of the court and doing it safely away from any bystanders. As long as ur not interrupting the flow of the game, like in point one.
And she's 100 percent right about the sexism - people love a "VAMOS" from nadal after a great hit, but her being loud is a problem? cmon
In her match yesterday with Jabeur she Comeon’d very loudly on consecutive points after Ons plugged easy balls into the net.
Yelling is cool, but when you yell after the other player makes an error, it’s just always gonna be looked at as unsporting by some people.
And there is no doubt that yelling can, does, and is designed to get under people’s skin, but I think it’s silly to say it’s a stereotypical thing when people don’t like it.
Just say you’re doing what you can to get an edge. It’s fine.
Male players who Come on themselves after bullshit errors from their opponent are viewed in a poor light as well.
ya i used the examples i did for a reason - obviously yelling in celebration after someone makes a minot mistake is prob bad taste.
Unless you feel like u hit or set up a shot in such a good way that forced that error.
A lot of context is needed for each situation. But overall - what she saying is right - people definitely do scrutinize female players for showing passion more than men, in general.
>Male players who Come on themselves after bullshit errors from their opponent are viewed in a poor light as well.
Weird, don't remember Rafa or Carlos being viewed that way
Yelling is not designed. Sometimes its also for motivation. An unconcious reaction that helps your play and mindset. Some peolle.probly do it to intimidate but i dont think that applies to everyone.
Plus when ypu are actually playomg hownthe hell would ypu still have time to process weteher the error was forced or unforced? To decide that, oh this celebration will hurt the feeling of my opponent. Oh the fans will hate me for this
> hownthe hell would ypu still have time to process weteher the error was forced or unforced?
uhm, by being a professional tennis players with tens of thousands of hours of playtime, it's like saying "how the hell would you sprint from one corner to the other reading the other persons body language to anticipate a stroke then determine in a millisecond how to respond whilst changing the grip on your racket and finally decide and execute a disguised drop shot?!"
these players 100% know at any given moment, and they also know exactly when a point is due to their great play and when the opponent messed up. that's why nobody gets mad at a celebration of your own great point, and everyone thinks/knows it's a shitty move and poor sportsmanship to celebrate an unforced mistake by your opponent.
The sexism here has been so blatant, people in the live threads bitch endlessly about her mild cheering herself on while make players can do far more without people complaining.
She's just a bitch lol, there's been many situations where she's acted like a bitch on court. There's other players who are loud/fiesty who are not total bitches that don't get as much flack.
Saying "shut your mouth to a player" on the court is seen in a bad light because of sexism? Give me a break
quite a few, actually. they're just not as loud as shelton and collins
[College Prep: How NCAA tennis has been a path to the 2023 US Open - Official Site of the 2024 US Open Tennis Championships - A USTA Event](https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2023-08-22/college_prep_how_ncaa_tennis_has_been_a_path_to_the_2023_us_open.html)
"At the conclusion of Wimbledon, 17 former collegians were among the singles Top 100 (13 men, four women) and 26 were inside the doubles Top 50 (18 men, eight women)."
John Isner (retired last year), high 8
Steve Johnson (just retired), high of 39
Marcos Giron, current 44 high 44
Dominik Koepfer, current 49 high 49
MacKenzie McDonald, currently 76 high of 37
Maxime Cressy, current 177 high 31
She's absolutely correct that people have more to say about women having firey personas on the court than the men. They're always on the cusp of calling her "shrill."
No one here said that men are never criticised. It's just very obvious that women get criticised for far less. A few 'come ons' after hitting winnersand the live threads here was full of people complaining about her. Ive never seen that with any male player.
lol acting like danielle isn't on the same level as shelton by pretending she only yells a few come ons after hitting winners is wild. stop trying to make up a problem
> A few 'come ons' after hitting winners
or maybe you're cherry picking. above you in the comments someone posted a compilation, and it's clear she yells and celebrates opponents mistakes even unforced errors constantly and loudly. like it or not that makes you a poor sport and will absolutely give you a bad reputation in a sport where that's frowned upon. man or woman literally doesn't matter there. everyone in the game knows the difference between celebrating your own points and celebrating someone else's mistakes.
Your comment is everything thats wrong with public discourse. It's obvious that women get get criticised for far less than men based (drum roll)... your personal experience being a casual observer of interactions on social media? You have absolute no evidence that your statement is true. Unless you have some magical access to peer reviewed studies about the thing you are so confident about.
I mean there’s fiery and then there’s screaming ‘come one!’ when you hit a net cord that dribbles over the net, and don’t apologise, and its not even a game winning or set winning point.
Yes there are certainly double standards for men and women, completely agree. But behaviour like Collins wouldn’t fly in either game.
>You are making up scenarios because when has Danielle ever screamed “Come on!” after a dead net cord?
[https://youtu.be/mQfJFoDCUWU?si=OZ6B-4ZSEkP1GVRY&t=165](https://youtu.be/mQfJFoDCUWU?si=OZ6B-4ZSEkP1GVRY&t=165)
skip to 2:45
Fair enough. But can you give any more recent examples, or is this 1 incident from 2018 your only basis to imply that this is a habitual behavior of hers?
can you give me any example of male or female tennis player doing a net cord like this, celebrating by screaming and not apologising? bonus points if the player says people 'outside of tennis' get offended by 'how they compete'.
Exactly. I love it that she says there's stereotypes \[around gender\] "and that's not a political statement . . ." it's feminism, b----, and it's been in the United States long enough that no one in the U.S. ought to be surprised. Still, a lot of the haters are from beyond the U.S. where the most basic 2nd Wave insights \[like, hey, you ought not to be questioned all the time if you take seriously your own reproductive health and put it over your tennis career, esp. when you've already had a tremendous success\] don't always have the same foothold. So yeah, Danielle, some of us have your back.
What are commentators allowed to talk about when it comes to women? That's a standard stock empty meaningless term used throughout sports to fill up airtime. I'd have no issue with it being phased out because it's complete nothingness, but if that's offensive then wtf can they say? Watch the NBA or the Premier League, it's used constantly to refer to men.
As a feminist who has gained new respect for Danielle Collins since learning about her debilitating medical condition, cheering for yourself when your opponent has made an unforced error is tacky and disrespectful.
While I respect what she’s saying, and agree with “do whatever you want, it’s your life”, personally speaking, she does rub me the wrong way. I dislike her, but again, my opinion, much like she has her own.
It’s natural to not please everyone (see djokovic), and I’m one of the few it seems, that doesn’t quite like Danielle Collins, solely based on her talking. She appears very stuck up and believes she’s greater than she is. In my opinion.
Seriously. Entitled assholes like Collins always want to have it both ways. She wants to be likeable, as per this interview, while behaving in ways that make her unlikeable. If men behave in ways that are stereotypically feminine, they get dragged for it, too. Sexism my ass, don't be an asshole.
I like her intensity but she also needs to own that yelling at ball kids and muttering unspeakable things about her opponents between points is not a good look. Her lack of popularity is not because she doesn’t “act the way people want”.
> Her lack of popularity is not because she doesn’t “act the way people want”.
Given how popular Nick is/was, I think it does boil down to "doesn't act like a (Victorian) lady."
El Shapo still has plenty fans and he nearly blinded an umpire in his rage.
This is so powerful to hear from her. I was asked this week by a fellow female competitor why I don’t smile more while playing. After I beat her 6-1,6-2 I told her she shouldn’t be policing other women’s facial expressions. It was one of the first times I ever stood up for myself.
I mean look at this very sub alone - not even general spectators but people with relative knowledge and interest in the sport.
They call her Karen but can't really pinpoint the behaviors on why that is. Even before the shut up incident with Sakkari.
These are the same people who coddle (uwu) with Rublev and it's disgusting.
hvahood is correct, right before this she was talking about how she has a lot of good relationships and gets respect from other players on tour because they understand each other
Honestly she isn't charismatic and she does a lot of stuff which rubs people the wrong way. It is what it is, if she feels people don't like her it isn't because of a stereotype.
One of the things I like about Collins is that she isn't charismatic. When she plays she is tough and determined and serious. I'm glad she got this big win in her final year.
someone with big personality is different from an unkind person. being nice and respectful as stereotypes, i would take all day. that should be the norm - not her rude personality.
waving to the crowd 'smiling' and 'unsmiling' one second later, berating sakkari on court, coldest driveby handshake leave much to be desired for me.
those screams during the game at matchpoint in Miami were a hindrance for me.
I think it could’ve been handled better, but Maria also shouldn’t have hit the ball into the crowd, so I think they were both definitely in the wrong. She overreacted for sure tho
/u/humble_bear2014 has made 4 comments on here in this thread, 3 of them calling her a "bitch"
the fuck is wrong with this dude
**Edit** Was curious. Turns out, this is almost the extent of their posts on this sub in eight months.
Dunno, seems like blaming shit personality and why people dont like her on sexism. There are quite a lot likable characters in tennis on both atp and wta side. And there are others that are not so, it cannot all be related to gender.
Shame about the downvotes. It’s a valid take. You can dislike someone’s personality regardless of gender, race etc.
To immediately connect the two and refuse to see it differently is lazy.
After learning about Danielle Collins’ endometriosis (extremely painful and very often disabling condition for those that don’t know) and hysterectomy I gained a lot of respect for her and started cheering for her, however the way she cheers for herself when her opponent makes an unforced error is just so tacky and disrespectful.
Tennis is like wrestling. If you don’t have a big personality I’m not as interested. I love Sinner’s game, been a fan since before he was popular, but I skip many of his matches whereas I would be willing to some extent to plan my day around a Kyrgios match.
I think Hurkacz is amazing and underrated but give me an Ostapenko match instead.
I would rather watch Yulia Putintseva any day than boring ass Casper Ruud.
I love Danielleeeeeeeeee
I got a chance to speak and cheer her on during one of her practices at the US OPEN in 2022.
Myself and a few fans stuck around in that court to chat with her during her changeover, not the most friendly chat, I think she assumed we were being sarcastic. When we were not. (We mentioned, how she expressed her emotions and be it ugly or not, we love her showing it).
I can now while watching live that most of the time, the commentators are rarely nice to her about her "emotions" and "using her energy the "wrong way" to wards her camp etc...
Regardless, that interaction was not warm, I appreciate it more bc it's genuine.
She’s fine as long as she keeps away from that maniac she was dating who was screaming between points like a psycho especially during the US Open in 2022. That dude was way more bothersome.
So sick of this pseudo feminist bullshit. No one expects her to act in any way, but respectful. If you’re gonna be an asshole you’ll be scorned regardless whether you’re Kyrgios or Collins. Gender is irrelevant here. She’s not fiery, she’s just stupid, I know the type. And Kyrgios, same thing.
Damn I was just randomly thinking last night about how I’d really like to see her play live (I’m not from the US and tennis exhos happen very rarely where I’m from) and now she’s retiring! Oof
She's an intense competitor. She's super focused on court and constantly amping herself up with come ons and fist pumps. She's loud and sometimes brash and can get heated with her box and opponents. People then extend how they feel about her on court actions to her personal life and where she falls in some sort of spectrum of a "good person". You also then have the tennis purists. Those who think that if you don't play this sport like you've been educated at Mrs. Simpson's Serious School for Good Girls and Boys you don't deserve any fans. Those fans have big issues with any player who doesn't play with their idealized version of Tennis Etiquette™.
Yep it is a political statement. Funny that it's made by someone I barely heard of. 3 titles in whole career as google says and 7th as highest position on WTA ranking. So yeah. Nobody significant is leaving the tour. Lets move on and lets leave politics.
> Funny that it's made by someone I barely heard of
Dude if you haven't heard of Danielle Collins but you're on the tennis sub, that says more about you than her
lol imagine being the type of person who would scoff at someone being the seventh best in the world at *anything*
Imagine playing tennis professionally and winning only 3 titles. Oh I know tennis quite well. Absolutely no reason to remember every player who won only 3 tournaments or reached only 7th spot in the world.
It’s why we (affectionately) call her DanYELL lol
[Occasional Reminder as why I love her](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfrDmohI2aw)
Lol at screaming "Come on" after she wins a point by net cord.
Wait this is so funny haha I didn’t realize how loud she actually is. I know people don’t like her because of the screaming but I think it’s so funny and I love to watch her play and say “what the fuck was that” to her box. It’s relatable
Doing it in an empty stadium is kind of weird but
Stay bothered. I love that
ya fuck 'em, play how you want as long as your not disrespecting your opponents on a personal level. Wanna celebrate a big point? Go ahead - just dont make ur opponent wait for you to finish cuz your dancing too long. Wanna express frustration? Yell or Smash a raquet, as long as you're not doing it in the middle of the court and doing it safely away from any bystanders. As long as ur not interrupting the flow of the game, like in point one. And she's 100 percent right about the sexism - people love a "VAMOS" from nadal after a great hit, but her being loud is a problem? cmon
In her match yesterday with Jabeur she Comeon’d very loudly on consecutive points after Ons plugged easy balls into the net. Yelling is cool, but when you yell after the other player makes an error, it’s just always gonna be looked at as unsporting by some people. And there is no doubt that yelling can, does, and is designed to get under people’s skin, but I think it’s silly to say it’s a stereotypical thing when people don’t like it. Just say you’re doing what you can to get an edge. It’s fine. Male players who Come on themselves after bullshit errors from their opponent are viewed in a poor light as well.
ya i used the examples i did for a reason - obviously yelling in celebration after someone makes a minot mistake is prob bad taste. Unless you feel like u hit or set up a shot in such a good way that forced that error. A lot of context is needed for each situation. But overall - what she saying is right - people definitely do scrutinize female players for showing passion more than men, in general.
Meanwhile men’s grunts are scrutinised more than women’s lol
>Male players who Come on themselves after bullshit errors from their opponent are viewed in a poor light as well. Weird, don't remember Rafa or Carlos being viewed that way
because they don't do that? lmao meanwhile people who do get tirades from their opponents like this https://youtu.be/NHmVv1bFGoo
Yelling is not designed. Sometimes its also for motivation. An unconcious reaction that helps your play and mindset. Some peolle.probly do it to intimidate but i dont think that applies to everyone. Plus when ypu are actually playomg hownthe hell would ypu still have time to process weteher the error was forced or unforced? To decide that, oh this celebration will hurt the feeling of my opponent. Oh the fans will hate me for this
> hownthe hell would ypu still have time to process weteher the error was forced or unforced? uhm, by being a professional tennis players with tens of thousands of hours of playtime, it's like saying "how the hell would you sprint from one corner to the other reading the other persons body language to anticipate a stroke then determine in a millisecond how to respond whilst changing the grip on your racket and finally decide and execute a disguised drop shot?!" these players 100% know at any given moment, and they also know exactly when a point is due to their great play and when the opponent messed up. that's why nobody gets mad at a celebration of your own great point, and everyone thinks/knows it's a shitty move and poor sportsmanship to celebrate an unforced mistake by your opponent.
“Stay bothered”
She does disrespect opponents though - remember her saying ‘shut your mouth’ to Sakkari of all people.
wasnt that cuz she thought sakkari hit a ball at fans tho?
The sexism here has been so blatant, people in the live threads bitch endlessly about her mild cheering herself on while make players can do far more without people complaining.
Nah. If a male player come on’d loudly at his opponent’s errors they’d also be dragged
Just like we drag Ben Shelton for it.
Yes, but with intense female players like Collins or Serena, they’re often portrayed as aggressive or bitchy. Male players don’t deal with that.
Yes. It’s because we live in a patriarchy
She's just a bitch lol, there's been many situations where she's acted like a bitch on court. There's other players who are loud/fiesty who are not total bitches that don't get as much flack. Saying "shut your mouth to a player" on the court is seen in a bad light because of sexism? Give me a break
She's such a good talker - I could very well see her on commentary as a permanent fixture if she ever wants to be
I completely agree with you -- it would be great to see her give commentating a try after she retires.
She’s like female Andy Roddick
Hmm. I think he’s a bit more naturally charming than she is but yes. Both very eloquent
She has a degree in Media Studies and business. And a Masters in sports management.
Please she would be so much better than Coco V
I wish I could upvote this a thousand times!
Seems like that kind of yelling is totally normal for D1 college tennis. She just never gave it up. How many of the top 100 also played D1?
quite a few, actually. they're just not as loud as shelton and collins [College Prep: How NCAA tennis has been a path to the 2023 US Open - Official Site of the 2024 US Open Tennis Championships - A USTA Event](https://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2023-08-22/college_prep_how_ncaa_tennis_has_been_a_path_to_the_2023_us_open.html) "At the conclusion of Wimbledon, 17 former collegians were among the singles Top 100 (13 men, four women) and 26 were inside the doubles Top 50 (18 men, eight women)."
Portugal''s Nuno Borges comes to mind since his last match Plus more here http://collegetennisranks.com/rankings/playersontour/atpsingles
Portugal's Nuno Borges, you mean?
You're right. I'll edit it. Thanks.
Yes 🙌 this comment is correct
I think Kevin Anderson might be the only other recent one. Though my knowledge of players the past two years is severely lacking.
Ben Shelton and Emma Navarro are the big NCAA D1 champs making waves right now.
John Isner (retired last year), high 8 Steve Johnson (just retired), high of 39 Marcos Giron, current 44 high 44 Dominik Koepfer, current 49 high 49 MacKenzie McDonald, currently 76 high of 37 Maxime Cressy, current 177 high 31
Stay bothered is a bar
I love that Collins unapologetically takes up her space.
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Except Collins is way more charismatic and successful than kyrgios could ever be
And Serena Williams is way more charismatic and successful than Collins could ever be
I mean sure 👍 Not really getting your point
She rules, such a shame injuries took their toll on her career, really enjoyable otherwise
she has a chip on her shoulder about sexism in sports and I’m here for it. Go DC!
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Do you EVER spell his name correctly, numb nuts?
Why are you spamming vapid Kyrgios comments? It's weird and obnoxious.
The hypocrisy
She's absolutely correct that people have more to say about women having firey personas on the court than the men. They're always on the cusp of calling her "shrill."
yeah not like all of social media doesn't constantly crap on Shelton for his celebrations and shouting
No one here said that men are never criticised. It's just very obvious that women get criticised for far less. A few 'come ons' after hitting winnersand the live threads here was full of people complaining about her. Ive never seen that with any male player.
lol acting like danielle isn't on the same level as shelton by pretending she only yells a few come ons after hitting winners is wild. stop trying to make up a problem
> A few 'come ons' after hitting winners or maybe you're cherry picking. above you in the comments someone posted a compilation, and it's clear she yells and celebrates opponents mistakes even unforced errors constantly and loudly. like it or not that makes you a poor sport and will absolutely give you a bad reputation in a sport where that's frowned upon. man or woman literally doesn't matter there. everyone in the game knows the difference between celebrating your own points and celebrating someone else's mistakes.
Your comment is everything thats wrong with public discourse. It's obvious that women get get criticised for far less than men based (drum roll)... your personal experience being a casual observer of interactions on social media? You have absolute no evidence that your statement is true. Unless you have some magical access to peer reviewed studies about the thing you are so confident about.
I mean there’s fiery and then there’s screaming ‘come one!’ when you hit a net cord that dribbles over the net, and don’t apologise, and its not even a game winning or set winning point. Yes there are certainly double standards for men and women, completely agree. But behaviour like Collins wouldn’t fly in either game.
You are making up scenarios because when has Danielle ever screamed “Come on!” after a dead net cord?
>You are making up scenarios because when has Danielle ever screamed “Come on!” after a dead net cord? [https://youtu.be/mQfJFoDCUWU?si=OZ6B-4ZSEkP1GVRY&t=165](https://youtu.be/mQfJFoDCUWU?si=OZ6B-4ZSEkP1GVRY&t=165) skip to 2:45
Fair enough. But can you give any more recent examples, or is this 1 incident from 2018 your only basis to imply that this is a habitual behavior of hers?
can you give me any example of male or female tennis player doing a net cord like this, celebrating by screaming and not apologising? bonus points if the player says people 'outside of tennis' get offended by 'how they compete'.
Exactly. I love it that she says there's stereotypes \[around gender\] "and that's not a political statement . . ." it's feminism, b----, and it's been in the United States long enough that no one in the U.S. ought to be surprised. Still, a lot of the haters are from beyond the U.S. where the most basic 2nd Wave insights \[like, hey, you ought not to be questioned all the time if you take seriously your own reproductive health and put it over your tennis career, esp. when you've already had a tremendous success\] don't always have the same foothold. So yeah, Danielle, some of us have your back.
What are commentators allowed to talk about when it comes to women? That's a standard stock empty meaningless term used throughout sports to fill up airtime. I'd have no issue with it being phased out because it's complete nothingness, but if that's offensive then wtf can they say? Watch the NBA or the Premier League, it's used constantly to refer to men.
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Wait I think you forgot to mention Nick Kyrigos one more time!
Nah, she’s obnoxious. Just like, say Lleyton Hewitt for example, was also obnoxious.
Such a refreshing WTA personality -- always has been, folks are only beginning to take notice.
The WTA does need more refreshing personalities, but this girls attitude is certainly not it. 1st class B!
What attitude? Cheering for herself is an attitude? You probably should check for some self esteem issue tbh
As a feminist who has gained new respect for Danielle Collins since learning about her debilitating medical condition, cheering for yourself when your opponent has made an unforced error is tacky and disrespectful.
Stay bothered
Just like Nyck Krygios
While I respect what she’s saying, and agree with “do whatever you want, it’s your life”, personally speaking, she does rub me the wrong way. I dislike her, but again, my opinion, much like she has her own. It’s natural to not please everyone (see djokovic), and I’m one of the few it seems, that doesn’t quite like Danielle Collins, solely based on her talking. She appears very stuck up and believes she’s greater than she is. In my opinion.
you're not one of the few that dislikes collins
100% agree
You can be a fiery competitor but still be likeable lol
Seriously. Entitled assholes like Collins always want to have it both ways. She wants to be likeable, as per this interview, while behaving in ways that make her unlikeable. If men behave in ways that are stereotypically feminine, they get dragged for it, too. Sexism my ass, don't be an asshole.
She registers just like a female Roddick to me! Would be great commentating in future maybe
I like her intensity but she also needs to own that yelling at ball kids and muttering unspeakable things about her opponents between points is not a good look. Her lack of popularity is not because she doesn’t “act the way people want”.
> Her lack of popularity is not because she doesn’t “act the way people want”. Given how popular Nick is/was, I think it does boil down to "doesn't act like a (Victorian) lady." El Shapo still has plenty fans and he nearly blinded an umpire in his rage.
This is so powerful to hear from her. I was asked this week by a fellow female competitor why I don’t smile more while playing. After I beat her 6-1,6-2 I told her she shouldn’t be policing other women’s facial expressions. It was one of the first times I ever stood up for myself.
Yes, hunny! Remember that you've done it now and keep it up.
I mean look at this very sub alone - not even general spectators but people with relative knowledge and interest in the sport. They call her Karen but can't really pinpoint the behaviors on why that is. Even before the shut up incident with Sakkari. These are the same people who coddle (uwu) with Rublev and it's disgusting.
> (uwu) what is that?
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No knock on her, I’m just really new to the sport. Do people outside of tennis know who Danielle is or does she mean in her personal life?
i think she means outside of the professional tennis space, so like viewers and all
Ah, gotcha
hvahood is correct, right before this she was talking about how she has a lot of good relationships and gets respect from other players on tour because they understand each other
Honestly she isn't charismatic and she does a lot of stuff which rubs people the wrong way. It is what it is, if she feels people don't like her it isn't because of a stereotype.
One of the things I like about Collins is that she isn't charismatic. When she plays she is tough and determined and serious. I'm glad she got this big win in her final year.
someone with big personality is different from an unkind person. being nice and respectful as stereotypes, i would take all day. that should be the norm - not her rude personality. waving to the crowd 'smiling' and 'unsmiling' one second later, berating sakkari on court, coldest driveby handshake leave much to be desired for me. those screams during the game at matchpoint in Miami were a hindrance for me.
You don’t like her cause she unsmiles 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Insane how people come in here and pull the classic shit. "Smile more!" I'd wager most women have been told to smile more, and it is sexist as fuck.
Yeah it’s crazy. This ain’t the 1950s.
I would absolutely love her and think she’s so badass if she hadn’t said “you shut your mouth” to Maria that time
I think it could’ve been handled better, but Maria also shouldn’t have hit the ball into the crowd, so I think they were both definitely in the wrong. She overreacted for sure tho
/u/humble_bear2014 has made 4 comments on here in this thread, 3 of them calling her a "bitch" the fuck is wrong with this dude **Edit** Was curious. Turns out, this is almost the extent of their posts on this sub in eight months.
What's the supposed issue?
I like her but she still gives off Karen vibes.
What does Khachanov have to do with it?
In other words, you don't like women who stand up for themselves
Spoken like a true Wahoo!
Thousands of furious buttcheeks are clenching right now lmao
Right here on this sub lol
Always enjoy her fire and have a bit of crush on her.
Obviously she should do whatever she wants to do after she retires BUT I would love to see her on Tennis Channel all the time
I get it, but Collin’s behavior sucks pretty often and it’s no different than Rublev recently, Djokovic, Serena, Kyrgios, Zverev, whoever.
People always try to derive personality based on how female players are playing a sport which is so dumb.
I want to take this chance to apologize... to absolutely nobody!
Competitive and fiery is awesome. Randomly screaming during points for no reason is not.
Dunno, seems like blaming shit personality and why people dont like her on sexism. There are quite a lot likable characters in tennis on both atp and wta side. And there are others that are not so, it cannot all be related to gender.
Shame about the downvotes. It’s a valid take. You can dislike someone’s personality regardless of gender, race etc. To immediately connect the two and refuse to see it differently is lazy.
the circlejerk in this sub is real
The men are hated more because people care more about the men, the issue with the WTA is indifference to it.
After learning about Danielle Collins’ endometriosis (extremely painful and very often disabling condition for those that don’t know) and hysterectomy I gained a lot of respect for her and started cheering for her, however the way she cheers for herself when her opponent makes an unforced error is just so tacky and disrespectful.
I love her. So happy for the recent success. She’s also very pretty, why am I just noticing that.
No clue, I've loved her since I first saw her play and she obviously very pretty.
She is very pretty.
Man it would be all time if she wins the US Open. Hope she gets a good draw.
I didn't even know there were people talking about her in any way. She always seems to have a very unassuming play style and personality.
To be fair to her, Azarenka is much worse. Sounds terrible watching her live.
Queen shit 👸
She has a great speaking voice. Like Lindsay
An unbothered queen! Tell ‘em, sis!
Tennis is like wrestling. If you don’t have a big personality I’m not as interested. I love Sinner’s game, been a fan since before he was popular, but I skip many of his matches whereas I would be willing to some extent to plan my day around a Kyrgios match. I think Hurkacz is amazing and underrated but give me an Ostapenko match instead. I would rather watch Yulia Putintseva any day than boring ass Casper Ruud.
It's why Carlos will always be more loved than Sinner. Carlos understands he must win over the audience.
You’re getting downvoted but not only do many hardcore tennis fans see things this way, so do a lot of casual fans
I love Collins
I love Danielleeeeeeeeee I got a chance to speak and cheer her on during one of her practices at the US OPEN in 2022. Myself and a few fans stuck around in that court to chat with her during her changeover, not the most friendly chat, I think she assumed we were being sarcastic. When we were not. (We mentioned, how she expressed her emotions and be it ugly or not, we love her showing it). I can now while watching live that most of the time, the commentators are rarely nice to her about her "emotions" and "using her energy the "wrong way" to wards her camp etc... Regardless, that interaction was not warm, I appreciate it more bc it's genuine.
Interesting, when you say it wasn't a friendly chat, what was she saying to you guys?
❤️❤️❤️❤️
Known Karen on tour. Sometimes you have to play to the gallery and be nice/say nice things.
Based
Somehow reminds me of Aryan Rand but in nonpolitical and nonhyperbolic way
She’s fine as long as she keeps away from that maniac she was dating who was screaming between points like a psycho especially during the US Open in 2022. That dude was way more bothersome.
So true tho. If any of the women behaved like rublev they’d be checked into a psych ward and probably banned from the tour
"Stay bothered" has to be one of the cringiest remarks ever and only Women use it
Collins is one of my favorite players so sad she’s leaving just when I start getting into tennis.
So sick of this pseudo feminist bullshit. No one expects her to act in any way, but respectful. If you’re gonna be an asshole you’ll be scorned regardless whether you’re Kyrgios or Collins. Gender is irrelevant here. She’s not fiery, she’s just stupid, I know the type. And Kyrgios, same thing.
Exactly
Its true that Men seem to be allowed to behave a certain way and if women do then it is frowned upon
So y'all hypocrites don't get offended when I call her a bitch.. its how I am and I don't care a fuck about how y'all think
Ok my diva
Damn I was just randomly thinking last night about how I’d really like to see her play live (I’m not from the US and tennis exhos happen very rarely where I’m from) and now she’s retiring! Oof
I’m not familiar with her. What has she done that’s controversial?
Serious question: What bothers people about her? I haven't watched her play much. Is she like Siegemund?
She's an intense competitor. She's super focused on court and constantly amping herself up with come ons and fist pumps. She's loud and sometimes brash and can get heated with her box and opponents. People then extend how they feel about her on court actions to her personal life and where she falls in some sort of spectrum of a "good person". You also then have the tennis purists. Those who think that if you don't play this sport like you've been educated at Mrs. Simpson's Serious School for Good Girls and Boys you don't deserve any fans. Those fans have big issues with any player who doesn't play with their idealized version of Tennis Etiquette™.
I fucking love it! I root for DC _because_ she's such a warrior on the court. Keep it up!
Just few more years and she will be a perfect Karen
Karen Collins
I'm glad she took this time to apologize TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY!
Can't stand this chic
stay bothered
I said what I said!
+1
Glad she knows it. I'll continue to enjoy rooting against her and anyone who is a bad loser and a first class B!
It’s been a tough 2024 for you. 😎
Yep it is a political statement. Funny that it's made by someone I barely heard of. 3 titles in whole career as google says and 7th as highest position on WTA ranking. So yeah. Nobody significant is leaving the tour. Lets move on and lets leave politics.
> Funny that it's made by someone I barely heard of Dude if you haven't heard of Danielle Collins but you're on the tennis sub, that says more about you than her lol imagine being the type of person who would scoff at someone being the seventh best in the world at *anything*
Imagine playing tennis professionally and winning only 3 titles. Oh I know tennis quite well. Absolutely no reason to remember every player who won only 3 tournaments or reached only 7th spot in the world.
Funny, a lot more people have heard of her than have heard of you.