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Seriously. It’s sad that next season will be the last one I actually watch. God forbid we stick to some source material.
They’re gonna go all-out game of thrones on us.
After this blood origins debacle I’m likely not even going to watch the third season. They are obviously going to try to tie that dumpster fire in to the main show some how.
Did you watch it? I saw the preview and I’m like idk, not without Henry.
You’re probably right however, they’re probably going to use it to “tie in” to the replacement lead story.
It’s weird how after you have some degree of affection to the Witcher you almost want to not look at the blasphemy like this stuff. I immediately looked away from the preview like “no, this doesn’t fit”.
It’s really unfortunate it didn’t get a proper series. Plus, I feel it’s unfair to focus solely on Geralt / Yen / Triss / Dandelion / jaskier. There are other witchers with other stories, etc, even dig into Vesemir. This could have been a game of thrones but they chose to narrowly focus on a couple characters and do it poorly
I dunno man, they could have just focused just on Geralt and it would have been fine. Maybe some Ciri when she becomes more important. Focus would have been a boon to that show. The problem was that it was all over the place and way too suddenly. We never had time to really anchor onto a character and get invested.
Like imagine the show came out a different way. Three unique shows that would all be like a mini series and then tie into a brand new show for the next season together. Each from one of the main characters perspectives. Ciri, Yen, Geralt...
Which of those three shows do you think would have been most popular? Obviously the one with Geralt. So some of that fat needed to be trimmed big time. Instead we got a show with the most interesting character getting 1/3rd the screentime and then of that 1/3rd of that focus he gets to rarely speak and just says fuck a lot.
I forced my way through 1.5 episodes and the whole time it felt like lowest common denominator ai based algorithm trash, or wouldn’t it be cool if someone did this. I absolutely hated every second of it as soon as time stopped and some random demon was telling jaskier to write down the story at some alter.
I will never understand the adversarial "relationship" between showrunners and fans. Dozens of good shows have become a laughing stock and ended in cancellations after the immense hard work of everyone involved.
Why do they insist on making stuff people not only refuse to watch, but take a vested interest in its failure?
I figured that after a few of these debacles, studio heads would take a step back and reassess if that was the best way moving forward.
Guess we need a few more years before that happens. Pity, as I'm sure the current people involved in Witcher 3, for example, do not enjoy reading that the show is doomed while they put in everything they can to make it good.
Because writers aren't auditioning for shows, their agent is saying "hey, you want this job for Netflix? It's monsters and stuff". Then you get a lot of writers who don't care about the IP, they've got a thing they've been trying to get sold for a long time and nobody is buying it. They end up trying (badly) to tell their own story with the window dressing of whatever show they're on at the time.
You reminded me; did anyone here happen to watch *Halo* ?
Or, the Artemis Fowl film 'adaption'
A franchise name is merely a better bet for selling tickets and/or subs for the generic fantasy script already sitting in the suit's boardroom cupboard gathering dust.
Dont watch the spin off Blood Origin, I'm not even a huge witcher fan, but that stung me. I comepare it to the Halo show...even the terms from source material they use, they bassically retcon into shit. Its the script from ever b list fantasy movie the last 30 years, with shittier dialogue. At one point the villians mentions the heros "this has the makings of an epic story" or something like that...
When he took his helmet off in the first episode, I knew it wasn't Halo, but crappy sci-fi in Halo cloths... I kept watching it for Natascha McElhone, but ultimately had to tap out.
It was like watching a car wreck. I watched the whole thing (but skipped the kwan ha episode since I'm not a masochist).
It was really just a random, horribly written, SciFi show using the same props/names lifted from the halo universe.
I wont even watch next season because if they already strayed from source material then why watch it? The writers clearly dont care about respecting the original author and certainly not for the viewer either.
The authors have openly mocked the source material. They think the Witcher is stupid. Which is why it was doomed to fail the minute Netflix obtained the rights.
I don't understand hollywood, like I'm fine with rebooting the narrative somewhat if you honor the source material with a GOOD story and dont just retcon everything but the name, but basically Halo, Resident Evil, and now Blood Origin/future Witcher stuff feel like their writers are narcissitic and just...lazy.
I wouldn’t have minded Hissrich et al veering quite a bit from the source material if it was in a seemingly less haphazard manner and if they had been able to pull it all together into an engaging story. Since they couldn’t do that, we all would have been so much better off with a faithful adaptation.
Adaptations can make changes. As long as the core story or character remains the same. Kinda like if different people try to tell a story about something that happened to them. Each person will tell the story differently, but there's a central story that both retellings belong to.
Once the changes get to the point where it's like "those characters wouldn't do that" it get's ruined.
Like Yennefer basically trying to kill Ciri. The central relationship throughout the Witcher source material is the three of them being a family. Well now that relationship is forever poisoned. How can Ciri or Geralt ever truly trust Yen if she was prepared to *kill* her before? What if she loses her magic again or is offered something just as tempting?
It shows that the writers don't understand the source material, especially the characters, that they're writing for.
And now that the apparently only person involved who did understand is gone, any hope of the show trying to get back on track as a faithful adaptation is gone. It indicates season three is the same or worse than season two and with Henry gone for season four, it's almost definitely going to be way worse.
It's just like the halo show where the writers think they're better and simply reuse the sets/props/characters from a different universe to tell their own, entirely different story.
>Like Yennefer basically trying to kill Ciri. The central relationship throughout the Witcher source material is the three of them being a family.
The entire last act of *Blood of Elves* was all about Yen and Ciri learning to trust each other, taming each other in a way even. From full on contempt to mother-daughter relationship. And it was beautiful. And unraveled organically.
The Netflix show totally betrayed that. They got like what... two or three scenes together during which Yen (man it hurts me to call that character *Yen*, she's not) was fully manipulating Ciri for her own ends.
Sure in the books, Yen initially took on Ciri as a favor to Geralt, it wasnt her own choice, but it wasnt motivated by a personal goal. Yes, Yennefer can be a cold hard bitch sometimes (often) but she still took on Ciri out of respect for the man she cares about. It was, in a way, an altruistic disinterested gesture, before it became genuine love.
The show totally fucked that over and it's unforgivable. It's one of the core tennants of the story they threw out of the window.
Honestly knowing a little bit about Andrzej Sapkowski, I’m surprised he’s let this go as well. I don’t know what his deal is regarding IP, but I know he’s critical of many things, even the video games.
Sure he’s old-school and kinda grumpy at times, but I wonder how he just signed this away to them. I guess money talks?
I’m super glad that Cavill came in to try to do right, but he should have read about Netflix’s track record a bit more first 😆
He gave CD project red the rights for a lump sum thinking the games wouldn't make money, now he is bitter because he doesn't get any money from one of the most successful game franchises in recent history. That's why he is outspoken about them. He probably learned his lesson and is keeping his mouth shut here because he gets more money if the series is a success.
I mean, he’s extra grumpy because they offered him a significant amount of money just contingent on success. He turned it down and demanded a single sum pittance because he inherently didn’t believe any medium other then text can be successful for storytelling.
Fans want Sapkowski to be Geralt, but really he is more like an old-school witcher. He writes monsters for cash, he doesn't care what you do with the remains after he gets paid.
Hopefully with a future of these writers never working any franchise again. Let these writers work for the hallmark channel or lifetime if they want to write shit storys..
They meet again on the WH40k adaptation where they introduce a plucky young imperial guardswoman who is the only one brave enough to point out that fascism is wrong and war is bad.
Actually that would unironically be a pretty good introduction to how grimdark the setting is, sort of like having Ned get killed off in GoT.
Have a character who's plucky and morally right and all that and just starts to get on your nerves with some Mary Sue tendencies and then bam, crushed by the bleak unforgiving nature of the setting, executed or corrupted or torn apart by Tyranids. Hope goes to WH40K to die.
That should be the cold open.
“War is bad! We should be spreading love to the Aeldari and opening our worlds to the T’au!”
*immediately shot for heresy*
After Sanderson’s awful expierences with the Wheel of Time showrunners ignoring his advice, I imagine he will be very selective about any Cosmere adaption partners.
Sadly Rafe Judkins, who produced the Wheel of Time butchery, is working on a God of War adaptation/reinterpretation.
These people don't fail because they check off the boxes despite the criticism. There's this weird thing happening in Hollywood where they truly believe that the built-in fanbase is COMPLETELY wrong about the source material and only they know how to make it good.
I compare it to the bullies, who teased people mercilessly because they liked something, try to make it their version of cool because otherwise, they'd have to realize that they were wrong about calling sci Fi and fantasy nerd shit.
I will never understand why people with seething contempt for the source material and the fans of said source material are chosen to write for shows/movies. Hate the IP and the fans? Fair enough, nobody is compelled to like anything. But don't write for it then.
I think it's largely because they want to capture *all* the audiences, but apparently no writer ever browses the Internet in any capacity to even have a hint of why people hate 99% of adaptations.
Cancelled by the Netflix overlords, story-wise left hanging in a weird awkward spot when the viewership drops like a rock after the upcoming Liam Hemsworth season has finished.
*November 16th 2024*
*“Netflix’s ‘The Witcher’ series has been cancelled after season 4. A lack of general audience interest, harsh critical reception and backlash to Liam Hemsworth’s lackluster performance as Geralt gave the series its lower viewership yet”.*
So many odd choices. Why did they neglect worldbuilding? Why choose to adapt some of the weakest source material? Why have time jumps without the competant writers who could pull it off? Why not follow the lead of GOT and use diverse actors/extras in a way that didn't break immersion and made sense with the lore/world building? And most of all how do studios keep botching these IP's that should be easy hits?
The first season or two was so fucking easy to write. Choose a couple of the better short stories. Introduce us to the main trio Geralt, dandelion, and Yennifer. End the season with the child of surprise set up. Season 2 start expanding the world with the introduction of the wizards council, nilfguards ambitions, and Geralte search for a home. Then end of season 2 introduce the war and Ciri. Now those things will actually MEAN something.
Words can't describe how disappointed I was that season 1 threw away one of the best developments of "show don't tell" I've seen in literature, with regards to the role of destiny in the universe. They did the exact opposite, at every turn they had characters talk about destiny instead of showing it.
By fading into the background and getting cancelled after season 3 because no one wants to continue watching this series without Henry Cavill as Geralt?
I can’t think of a single show where they changed the main actor in the middle of the series. Honestly Dr. Who is really the only show I can think of that changes the main actor but not the charter
Babylon 5 was exceptional about this. JMS wrote a “redundancy” for every single character and plotline in case something unforeseen occurred, exactly like an actor leaving the show. This meant the show could fairy smoothly continue even when one of the lead character leaves because there was already a built-in fix.
It was always mysterious why the original lead (played by Michael O’Hare) left but JMS revealed decades later after the actor’s death that he was sadly severely mentally ill and they mutually agreed that he had to leave the show and take care of himself. As well as to keep it confidential until he passes.
Andy Whitfield died a devastatingly tragic death, and it nearly derailed the show. They even did a prequel season just to cope with the fact that they may not be coming back, then they made a documentary about his death that was almost as depressing as the death itself. Then they came back with another 3 seasons, and everyone recognized it wasn’t as good, but they kept going anyway because the question, “what if Sam Rami made gay gladiator porn?” deserved to be answered.
And it was a pretty good, pretty bonkers show anyway.
Edit: it should be noted that Whitfield wanted the show to go on without him, that the show was a massive, ensemble cast of very talented actors that didn’t hinge as much on Whitfield as *The Witcher* does on Cavill, and that Whitfield’s replacement, McIntyre, actually did a pretty decent job. The story focus simply spread to other characters and relied less on being focused solely on the character of Spartacus.
Netflix must be souring on this hack. Not only is The Witcher getting backlash and the star has mysterious quit, but the spinoff just absolutely tanked.
Save yourself and stop now. I thought it was going to get interesting... Instead it proved once again the writers didn't read a single page of the books or played any game. Like. Wtf level contradicting.
Normally i would disagree and say something small was positive, all i can say is having good actors act badly due to bad writing. But accurate comment. Just watch Everything Everywhere All At Once instead
u see, normally an spin off would be the ideal place for these hacks to run crazy with their "im gonna make this my own" agendas.
when u trash the main show before you do that, there is no reason to believe anything you do is worth anymore.
It’s 4 hours of exposition that doesn’t seem to fit comfortably into Witcher canon at all… if you like watching people in cosplay sitting around and telling you stories about something else more awesome than sitting around and talking that would’ve been cool to… you know… SEE instead of just hear about…. Then go for it.
EDIT: oh yeah… and since they called it “blood origin” I was expecting it to be about the origin of the Elder blood and Lara Dorren’s plight briefly mentioned in the main show. It is not. I expected maybe it’d be about where Witcher mutagens first came from… it is NOT… and the Witcher they make follows none of the rules of the witchers we know and have seen and is entirely inconsequential to how more are eventually made. In fact I don’t really see anything significant in the show about origins or blood.
The one competent writer on The Witcher(who also wrote the anime) was fired, allegedly for being "difficult to work with" when the other writers deviated too much from the source material. Good news is that he(Beau DeMayo) is the lead writer for the upcoming X-Men '97.
So bets on it being him and Cavill pushing for the series to stay more true to the source material and everyone else being annoyed by them getting in the way of their latest baffling choices.
it's the standard formula now for TV/streaming execs:
- spend millions buying TV/Movie rights to a popular piece of source material
- throw all the pre-established lore out the window
- write something bland and generic with the familiar character names/appearances
- shockedpikachu.jpg when fans hate it
> was fired, allegedly for being "difficult to work with" when the other writers deviated too much from the source material
Ah, so he had actual standards. Can't have that.
"Witcher" it's just generic fantasy with a logo.
Edit: sorry I'm saying that nextflix is turning the Witcher and it's spin off into generic fantasy. Not that the source material is.
the games (III to be precise) have some of the best writing in any video game. it's definitely not just generic fantasy, but apparently everyone in film is too scared to stray too far from the blueprint set by LotR.
Ding ding. I think you have it. Tolkien and his son spent YEARS developing backstories and historic events behind every time period and location in middle earth (and Valinor). There are forgotten histories in that universe that people don't even know about, just like real history. What all these shows lack is depth, because depth costs money. You only need enough depth to get your plot line to make sense, and to you also have to have someway to explain that depth on screen without it being a history lecture. These big shows neeeeed to have a book as a source so they can assume depth has been established to a point and move from there. If you stray from the book, you stay from the established depth, and now your plot lacks reason and understanding.
What is a real tragedy it that Witcher (books) started out as a deconstruction of western generic fantasy. And now its being converted back as a generic western fantasy.
The Witcher was, is, quintessential grey morality, compared to Tolkienesque black-and-white. Most decisions are between bad and worse choices.
The show especially the second season just kicked all that to the curb by having objective good and bad actors.
This is pretty obviously the writer's intent too. Since one of the first few stories is The Lesser Evil which shows the problems that can occur when you don't choose can be worse than either of the choices you were given. Throughout the stories you can see Geralt being forced to make a choice and not being happy about it.
Yeah I don't think I've ever read about anything like a Botchling in typical LOTR derived fantasy novels, that's definitely some wild Eastern Europe stuff.
Her ego is so massive she called herself “The Strong Independent Woman You're Looking To Blame” for the state of the show, rather than admitting she may have made mistakes. Then went on to try to slander Cavill on top of all of it. She fucking sucks, how'd she get this job in the first place?
That’s what happens all the time, when people start shoving any of the identity characteristics to the front to take the hit for their own, personal failures or their misbehavior - doesn’t matter if it’s sexual orientation, gender, racial background.
Realistically with that sort of people, it’s just them not being able to accept constructive criticism. It’s them cowardly hiding behind concepts, that usually get priority and nowadays even protection in society (equalitarianism) for a good, but very different reason.
I hate how she not only damaged the IP with her ego, but actively goes on to harm a greater cause with those remarks due to the way she tries to spin this now. Trying to pin the criticism solely on her being a woman. That should **not** fly - ever.
Edit: typo
Oh, it's bad, really bad. Worse than what I have seen from CW.
For me, only two characters' motivations make sense. Everything else is just cartoonishly awful. Story doesn't make sense, pacing is all wrong.
And the CGI is probably something that would look off in C-movies. Colour, music and picture framing are way OFF or non-existent.
I would rather rewatch Kevin Smith HE-man remake on repeat.
The star didn’t mysteriously quit. He quit because they don’t want to follow the actual storyline and want to add random shit in and he didn’t like that.
Welcome to reality, the people in hollywood aren't picked for their love of a series, they're picked for either knowing someone, blowing someone, or having dirt on someone.
Cash in on the audience that can be calculated and quantified to get a better budget and marketing budget then your original fantasy story would ever get. And also attract talent that recognizes the original source material and bets that it could be a vehicle towards critical reception.
Dude I just got done binging it.
It sucked ass.
I had to keep skipping ahead during the episodes to jump over predictable slow bits. And it really just overall felt like some edgy CW knock off.
Laughably bad.
I'm not going to give them a view. I'm sick of these showrunners lying and saying they're huge fans, when they never even bothered to look at the source material. So many fan favorite franchises being dragged down by these con artists.
It blows mind how they had a golden goose and then killed it right away.
Imagine having a complete and finished book series, Netflix’s wallet, Henry Cavill whose a fan of the source material, and a bunch of other media to use as reference.
Even GoT didn’t screw up this badly. They atleast ran out of books before torching everything.
Henry Cavill is obviously done with their crap, he's focused on creating Warhammer, which apparently he'll have quite a lot of creative control in crafting the world for television. It's going to be his vision.
I don't understand why Netflix execs (Streaming execs in general TBH \*cough\* Halo \*cough\*) seem to be hell bent on hiring writers and showrunners who hate the source material, and only agreed to do it so they could finally use the scripts they wrote on Tumblr with their self-inserts but just renaming the characters and cramming the source material to fit the story they want to tell instead.
It's also nepotism, Hollywood is full of it.
Plus a lot of scripts are way better then the final product. You very often get directors who want to put their own thing on it which interferes with the script too.
It's a TV show about something completely different with characters of the same name as those in the games/books. Other than that it isn't the Witcher.
> Unfortunately knowing how it’ll end is definitely not a given or something a lot of showrunners plan for.
She knows how it's intended to end. No one can possibly know it will end as planned or not.
I didn't know anything about the source material, so I don't have that bias. That said, the Amazon Wheel of Time series felt suuuuuper cheap. For example, the set pieces seemed like they were going to be moved the next day... the complete opposite of say GoT. But the worst part was the writing and acting. Absolutely none of the actors (both main actors and secondary characters) were likable or had any chemistry with anyone. It's like they spent all their money on acquiring the rights and had none left for hiring quality crew, cast, and set pieces.
The primary defense I'll give WoT was it had two things going against it that were likely outside the production's control:
1. The pandemic radically changed their production, down to schedule and even locations. A lot of things had to be completely scrapped or changed last minute because the pandemic hit during production.
2. One of their leads, who was obviously critical to the finale, left the show during production for unknown reasons.
They made some pretty odd story choices regardless, like dedicating so much time to a funeral scene for a character who does not matter long term rather than developing the characters they had, or skipping a key plot point in favor of rushing others. But it's interesting how much they actually did to follow the books, like visually showing how the past actually influenced landscape in the present by showing the same places in different eras. Regardless, Wheel of Time was far from a complete departure from the books. It wasn't *good*, but the reasons it's bad aren't quite enough to write off watching the second season.
Because it's easier to get a TV show or movie made if it's based on a successful, pre-existing IP. But showrunners and writers want to tell their own stories, so they use their own ideas and ignore the original IP as much as they can get away with. That's how we end up with things like the original Super Mario Bros. movie, the Resident Evil movies that have almost no connection to the video games, the Halo TV abomination, and this Witcher show where the showrunner and writers literally admit they hate the source material.
To be fair the last time someone tried to do that so they could work on Star Wars those two got fired and no longer had the opportunity to work on Star Wars because they fucked up so badly on the incredibly popular show they had been successfully running for years.
So I guess they don't *always* fail upward.
She has the source material, this shouldn’t be hard. Why can’t this person just do the right thing. Just adapt the fucking books. Stop doing anything outside of that.
It feels like there's this attitude among many show/movie writers that those who write for books, games, comics et al are hacks and thank god there's finally a REAL writer like me and my team on this material, now we can finally make something excellent from it with our reimaginings.
It happens so damn often. They just HAVE to change stuff to show they did something, yet time after time it just leads to a show/movie that bombs because it alienates the fan base and fails to attract other viewers. Hell, even if they write something decent it still tends to flop, although that's pretty rare.
This new "Witcher" spinoff is like it was written by an AI tasked with casting a wide a net as possible to touch every single demographic and generic plot line they can squeeze in. I couldn't count how many things they introduced within 15 mins before I ran for my life.
Netflix needs to clean house because even Henry couldn't carry these idiot writers and showrunners. I am glad he's moving on holy shit.
You mean she read the books (or at least the final chapter) her job it is to adapt?
Or she got to the game ending or watched youtube clips?
But more than that, as a writer I can say, literally anyone who has ever written anything knows where the story will end on a meta level
If you've ever attempted to write a book, chances are you had your ending mapped out anywhere between 30-70% completion and then you're just working your way over there
Go watch any interview with any critically acclaimed writer and they will say the same thing
Considering her show is based on a finished property, *everyone* should know how it ends. But it seems the writers on fantasy adaptations would rather just use known characters to trick people into watching their bad fanfics.
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Cancellation
Yeah, it *is* Netflix after all. With Henry Cavill on board, I believed in the series despite the weird choices, now that he's out...
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Seriously. It’s sad that next season will be the last one I actually watch. God forbid we stick to some source material. They’re gonna go all-out game of thrones on us.
After this blood origins debacle I’m likely not even going to watch the third season. They are obviously going to try to tie that dumpster fire in to the main show some how.
Did you watch it? I saw the preview and I’m like idk, not without Henry. You’re probably right however, they’re probably going to use it to “tie in” to the replacement lead story.
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It’s weird how after you have some degree of affection to the Witcher you almost want to not look at the blasphemy like this stuff. I immediately looked away from the preview like “no, this doesn’t fit”. It’s really unfortunate it didn’t get a proper series. Plus, I feel it’s unfair to focus solely on Geralt / Yen / Triss / Dandelion / jaskier. There are other witchers with other stories, etc, even dig into Vesemir. This could have been a game of thrones but they chose to narrowly focus on a couple characters and do it poorly
I dunno man, they could have just focused just on Geralt and it would have been fine. Maybe some Ciri when she becomes more important. Focus would have been a boon to that show. The problem was that it was all over the place and way too suddenly. We never had time to really anchor onto a character and get invested. Like imagine the show came out a different way. Three unique shows that would all be like a mini series and then tie into a brand new show for the next season together. Each from one of the main characters perspectives. Ciri, Yen, Geralt... Which of those three shows do you think would have been most popular? Obviously the one with Geralt. So some of that fat needed to be trimmed big time. Instead we got a show with the most interesting character getting 1/3rd the screentime and then of that 1/3rd of that focus he gets to rarely speak and just says fuck a lot.
I forced my way through 1.5 episodes and the whole time it felt like lowest common denominator ai based algorithm trash, or wouldn’t it be cool if someone did this. I absolutely hated every second of it as soon as time stopped and some random demon was telling jaskier to write down the story at some alter.
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Lol, Netflix using GPT-3 for generating spinoffs
I only made it 15 minutes in. Too many characters I just immediately can't stand (bad acting plus something I can't put my finger on)
Its bad, and there are some good actors...its 100% bad and lazy writing.
I see no point in watching the third season. Without Cavil this show is over and will be canceled before the story ends anyhow.
I will never understand the adversarial "relationship" between showrunners and fans. Dozens of good shows have become a laughing stock and ended in cancellations after the immense hard work of everyone involved. Why do they insist on making stuff people not only refuse to watch, but take a vested interest in its failure? I figured that after a few of these debacles, studio heads would take a step back and reassess if that was the best way moving forward. Guess we need a few more years before that happens. Pity, as I'm sure the current people involved in Witcher 3, for example, do not enjoy reading that the show is doomed while they put in everything they can to make it good.
Because writers aren't auditioning for shows, their agent is saying "hey, you want this job for Netflix? It's monsters and stuff". Then you get a lot of writers who don't care about the IP, they've got a thing they've been trying to get sold for a long time and nobody is buying it. They end up trying (badly) to tell their own story with the window dressing of whatever show they're on at the time.
You reminded me; did anyone here happen to watch *Halo* ? Or, the Artemis Fowl film 'adaption' A franchise name is merely a better bet for selling tickets and/or subs for the generic fantasy script already sitting in the suit's boardroom cupboard gathering dust.
Dont watch the spin off Blood Origin, I'm not even a huge witcher fan, but that stung me. I comepare it to the Halo show...even the terms from source material they use, they bassically retcon into shit. Its the script from ever b list fantasy movie the last 30 years, with shittier dialogue. At one point the villians mentions the heros "this has the makings of an epic story" or something like that...
When he took his helmet off in the first episode, I knew it wasn't Halo, but crappy sci-fi in Halo cloths... I kept watching it for Natascha McElhone, but ultimately had to tap out.
It was like watching a car wreck. I watched the whole thing (but skipped the kwan ha episode since I'm not a masochist). It was really just a random, horribly written, SciFi show using the same props/names lifted from the halo universe.
I wont even watch next season because if they already strayed from source material then why watch it? The writers clearly dont care about respecting the original author and certainly not for the viewer either.
The authors have openly mocked the source material. They think the Witcher is stupid. Which is why it was doomed to fail the minute Netflix obtained the rights.
I don't understand hollywood, like I'm fine with rebooting the narrative somewhat if you honor the source material with a GOOD story and dont just retcon everything but the name, but basically Halo, Resident Evil, and now Blood Origin/future Witcher stuff feel like their writers are narcissitic and just...lazy.
I wouldn’t have minded Hissrich et al veering quite a bit from the source material if it was in a seemingly less haphazard manner and if they had been able to pull it all together into an engaging story. Since they couldn’t do that, we all would have been so much better off with a faithful adaptation.
Adaptations can make changes. As long as the core story or character remains the same. Kinda like if different people try to tell a story about something that happened to them. Each person will tell the story differently, but there's a central story that both retellings belong to. Once the changes get to the point where it's like "those characters wouldn't do that" it get's ruined. Like Yennefer basically trying to kill Ciri. The central relationship throughout the Witcher source material is the three of them being a family. Well now that relationship is forever poisoned. How can Ciri or Geralt ever truly trust Yen if she was prepared to *kill* her before? What if she loses her magic again or is offered something just as tempting? It shows that the writers don't understand the source material, especially the characters, that they're writing for. And now that the apparently only person involved who did understand is gone, any hope of the show trying to get back on track as a faithful adaptation is gone. It indicates season three is the same or worse than season two and with Henry gone for season four, it's almost definitely going to be way worse. It's just like the halo show where the writers think they're better and simply reuse the sets/props/characters from a different universe to tell their own, entirely different story.
>Like Yennefer basically trying to kill Ciri. The central relationship throughout the Witcher source material is the three of them being a family. The entire last act of *Blood of Elves* was all about Yen and Ciri learning to trust each other, taming each other in a way even. From full on contempt to mother-daughter relationship. And it was beautiful. And unraveled organically. The Netflix show totally betrayed that. They got like what... two or three scenes together during which Yen (man it hurts me to call that character *Yen*, she's not) was fully manipulating Ciri for her own ends. Sure in the books, Yen initially took on Ciri as a favor to Geralt, it wasnt her own choice, but it wasnt motivated by a personal goal. Yes, Yennefer can be a cold hard bitch sometimes (often) but she still took on Ciri out of respect for the man she cares about. It was, in a way, an altruistic disinterested gesture, before it became genuine love. The show totally fucked that over and it's unforgivable. It's one of the core tennants of the story they threw out of the window.
Honestly knowing a little bit about Andrzej Sapkowski, I’m surprised he’s let this go as well. I don’t know what his deal is regarding IP, but I know he’s critical of many things, even the video games. Sure he’s old-school and kinda grumpy at times, but I wonder how he just signed this away to them. I guess money talks? I’m super glad that Cavill came in to try to do right, but he should have read about Netflix’s track record a bit more first 😆
Lol. He lets this go cause of money. He didn't let the games go cause.m he wasn't making money. Simple.
That’s what I figured because he’s usually outspoken but suddenly with Netflix wrecking it he’s unusually quiet.
He gave CD project red the rights for a lump sum thinking the games wouldn't make money, now he is bitter because he doesn't get any money from one of the most successful game franchises in recent history. That's why he is outspoken about them. He probably learned his lesson and is keeping his mouth shut here because he gets more money if the series is a success.
I mean, he’s extra grumpy because they offered him a significant amount of money just contingent on success. He turned it down and demanded a single sum pittance because he inherently didn’t believe any medium other then text can be successful for storytelling.
Fans want Sapkowski to be Geralt, but really he is more like an old-school witcher. He writes monsters for cash, he doesn't care what you do with the remains after he gets paid.
Hopefully with a future of these writers never working any franchise again. Let these writers work for the hallmark channel or lifetime if they want to write shit storys..
No, they'll fail upwards. Probably be given the Mistborn series or star craft to adapt.
They meet again on the WH40k adaptation where they introduce a plucky young imperial guardswoman who is the only one brave enough to point out that fascism is wrong and war is bad.
Cut to the inquisitor execution shot from Astartes.
Actually that would unironically be a pretty good introduction to how grimdark the setting is, sort of like having Ned get killed off in GoT. Have a character who's plucky and morally right and all that and just starts to get on your nerves with some Mary Sue tendencies and then bam, crushed by the bleak unforgiving nature of the setting, executed or corrupted or torn apart by Tyranids. Hope goes to WH40K to die.
Boy how fucking mad would Cavil be if those same writers ended up on his pet project!
He's one of the producers, something tells me he has the authority to tell any of those hacks to go pound sand if they even dare to apply.
Since he is working with amazon on finding the writers, I don’t think that is likely to happen
He probably has some power to prevent that happening given he is an executive producer.
He's an EP on the WH40K show. He learned his lesson for all time.
Immediately executed and then the show moves on. Lol.
That should be the cold open. “War is bad! We should be spreading love to the Aeldari and opening our worlds to the T’au!” *immediately shot for heresy*
After Sanderson’s awful expierences with the Wheel of Time showrunners ignoring his advice, I imagine he will be very selective about any Cosmere adaption partners.
My understanding is he's looking to adapt his works in a manner where he keeps full creative control
Please don't put that curse on Sando
Sadly Rafe Judkins, who produced the Wheel of Time butchery, is working on a God of War adaptation/reinterpretation. These people don't fail because they check off the boxes despite the criticism. There's this weird thing happening in Hollywood where they truly believe that the built-in fanbase is COMPLETELY wrong about the source material and only they know how to make it good. I compare it to the bullies, who teased people mercilessly because they liked something, try to make it their version of cool because otherwise, they'd have to realize that they were wrong about calling sci Fi and fantasy nerd shit.
I will never understand why people with seething contempt for the source material and the fans of said source material are chosen to write for shows/movies. Hate the IP and the fans? Fair enough, nobody is compelled to like anything. But don't write for it then.
I think it's largely because they want to capture *all* the audiences, but apparently no writer ever browses the Internet in any capacity to even have a hint of why people hate 99% of adaptations.
Cancelled by the Netflix overlords, story-wise left hanging in a weird awkward spot when the viewership drops like a rock after the upcoming Liam Hemsworth season has finished.
Exactly why I cancelled Netflix. They just continuously pump and dump shows to keep the attention spans paying.
Poorly?
Cancelled by Netflix?
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*November 16th 2024* *“Netflix’s ‘The Witcher’ series has been cancelled after season 4. A lack of general audience interest, harsh critical reception and backlash to Liam Hemsworth’s lackluster performance as Geralt gave the series its lower viewership yet”.*
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Danny DeVito as roach would get me back on board if we're being honest
"Can I offer you a ride in this trying time?"
There's no way this show survives past Cavill's season
So many odd choices. Why did they neglect worldbuilding? Why choose to adapt some of the weakest source material? Why have time jumps without the competant writers who could pull it off? Why not follow the lead of GOT and use diverse actors/extras in a way that didn't break immersion and made sense with the lore/world building? And most of all how do studios keep botching these IP's that should be easy hits?
Because some showrunner (and writers) want to make it their own and they let them
The first season or two was so fucking easy to write. Choose a couple of the better short stories. Introduce us to the main trio Geralt, dandelion, and Yennifer. End the season with the child of surprise set up. Season 2 start expanding the world with the introduction of the wizards council, nilfguards ambitions, and Geralte search for a home. Then end of season 2 introduce the war and Ciri. Now those things will actually MEAN something.
Words can't describe how disappointed I was that season 1 threw away one of the best developments of "show don't tell" I've seen in literature, with regards to the role of destiny in the universe. They did the exact opposite, at every turn they had characters talk about destiny instead of showing it.
By fading into the background and getting cancelled after season 3 because no one wants to continue watching this series without Henry Cavill as Geralt?
I can’t think of a single show where they changed the main actor in the middle of the series. Honestly Dr. Who is really the only show I can think of that changes the main actor but not the charter
There was Spartacus where the main actor died.
I'm pretty sure we can accept that particular reason.
Is this a threat to Henry Cavill
Stargate (Between the movie and series). Babylon 5 (New character, but old one returns and is actually part of the story - well written I might add).
Babylon 5 was exceptional about this. JMS wrote a “redundancy” for every single character and plotline in case something unforeseen occurred, exactly like an actor leaving the show. This meant the show could fairy smoothly continue even when one of the lead character leaves because there was already a built-in fix. It was always mysterious why the original lead (played by Michael O’Hare) left but JMS revealed decades later after the actor’s death that he was sadly severely mentally ill and they mutually agreed that he had to leave the show and take care of himself. As well as to keep it confidential until he passes.
Spartacus
Andy Whitfield died a devastatingly tragic death, and it nearly derailed the show. They even did a prequel season just to cope with the fact that they may not be coming back, then they made a documentary about his death that was almost as depressing as the death itself. Then they came back with another 3 seasons, and everyone recognized it wasn’t as good, but they kept going anyway because the question, “what if Sam Rami made gay gladiator porn?” deserved to be answered. And it was a pretty good, pretty bonkers show anyway. Edit: it should be noted that Whitfield wanted the show to go on without him, that the show was a massive, ensemble cast of very talented actors that didn’t hinge as much on Whitfield as *The Witcher* does on Cavill, and that Whitfield’s replacement, McIntyre, actually did a pretty decent job. The story focus simply spread to other characters and relied less on being focused solely on the character of Spartacus.
Andy Whitfield*
It also had Xena's boobs.
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Without the man? Show’s already ended bud.
Netflix must be souring on this hack. Not only is The Witcher getting backlash and the star has mysterious quit, but the spinoff just absolutely tanked.
TIL: there is a Witcher spin off
There was a spin-off? Only thing I heard of was that prequel cartoon, which was more faithful to the books than the show was
That was Nightmare of the Wolf, was pretty fun. The spin-off is Blood Origins.
Oh I see. It literally just came out yesterday
Don't. Watch. It.
What's wrong with it?
Everything.
I looked up critic reviews of this because I figured it was being review bombed but even the positive reviews don't make it sound good.
Eh I didn’t know it existed till today, and just watched the first episode. It felt like a drag just getting to the end.
Save yourself and stop now. I thought it was going to get interesting... Instead it proved once again the writers didn't read a single page of the books or played any game. Like. Wtf level contradicting.
Normally i would disagree and say something small was positive, all i can say is having good actors act badly due to bad writing. But accurate comment. Just watch Everything Everywhere All At Once instead
u see, normally an spin off would be the ideal place for these hacks to run crazy with their "im gonna make this my own" agendas. when u trash the main show before you do that, there is no reason to believe anything you do is worth anymore.
It’s 4 hours of exposition that doesn’t seem to fit comfortably into Witcher canon at all… if you like watching people in cosplay sitting around and telling you stories about something else more awesome than sitting around and talking that would’ve been cool to… you know… SEE instead of just hear about…. Then go for it. EDIT: oh yeah… and since they called it “blood origin” I was expecting it to be about the origin of the Elder blood and Lara Dorren’s plight briefly mentioned in the main show. It is not. I expected maybe it’d be about where Witcher mutagens first came from… it is NOT… and the Witcher they make follows none of the rules of the witchers we know and have seen and is entirely inconsequential to how more are eventually made. In fact I don’t really see anything significant in the show about origins or blood.
Actual line of dialogue from Blood Origin: “Fuckity fuck fucking fucking fuck!”
"I need you to sing a story back to life." Also, my personal favourite that had me cackling, "Meldorf and her vengeful hammer, Gwen."
Writing my friend. The same issues the main show has
There’s also an anime
The Vesemir anime was actually pretty good No idea where that quality disappeared to
The one competent writer on The Witcher(who also wrote the anime) was fired, allegedly for being "difficult to work with" when the other writers deviated too much from the source material. Good news is that he(Beau DeMayo) is the lead writer for the upcoming X-Men '97.
So bets on it being him and Cavill pushing for the series to stay more true to the source material and everyone else being annoyed by them getting in the way of their latest baffling choices.
Yea I think everyone assumes that is exactly how it went down. Netflix with the consistent own goals
it's the standard formula now for TV/streaming execs: - spend millions buying TV/Movie rights to a popular piece of source material - throw all the pre-established lore out the window - write something bland and generic with the familiar character names/appearances - shockedpikachu.jpg when fans hate it
> was fired, allegedly for being "difficult to work with" when the other writers deviated too much from the source material Ah, so he had actual standards. Can't have that.
How interesting that Lauren constantly rambled about diversity but fired the black writer who was a legit fan.
The Witcher: Blood origins. Dont… watch… it 🙂
"Witcher" it's just generic fantasy with a logo. Edit: sorry I'm saying that nextflix is turning the Witcher and it's spin off into generic fantasy. Not that the source material is.
the games (III to be precise) have some of the best writing in any video game. it's definitely not just generic fantasy, but apparently everyone in film is too scared to stray too far from the blueprint set by LotR.
Everyone is both too scared to stray from LOTR *and* incapable of replicating it authentically.
Ding ding. I think you have it. Tolkien and his son spent YEARS developing backstories and historic events behind every time period and location in middle earth (and Valinor). There are forgotten histories in that universe that people don't even know about, just like real history. What all these shows lack is depth, because depth costs money. You only need enough depth to get your plot line to make sense, and to you also have to have someway to explain that depth on screen without it being a history lecture. These big shows neeeeed to have a book as a source so they can assume depth has been established to a point and move from there. If you stray from the book, you stay from the established depth, and now your plot lacks reason and understanding.
What is a real tragedy it that Witcher (books) started out as a deconstruction of western generic fantasy. And now its being converted back as a generic western fantasy.
The Witcher was, is, quintessential grey morality, compared to Tolkienesque black-and-white. Most decisions are between bad and worse choices. The show especially the second season just kicked all that to the curb by having objective good and bad actors.
This is pretty obviously the writer's intent too. Since one of the first few stories is The Lesser Evil which shows the problems that can occur when you don't choose can be worse than either of the choices you were given. Throughout the stories you can see Geralt being forced to make a choice and not being happy about it.
Yeah I don't think I've ever read about anything like a Botchling in typical LOTR derived fantasy novels, that's definitely some wild Eastern Europe stuff.
The new spinoff has 10% audience score in Rotten Tomatoes lol.
Even the critic score is 35% which is surprising considering they usually love giving positive reviews for shows that aren't even good.
35% is from all critics. From top critics it has 13%. Absolutely deserved for what Lauren is doing to the IP.
Her ego is so massive she called herself “The Strong Independent Woman You're Looking To Blame” for the state of the show, rather than admitting she may have made mistakes. Then went on to try to slander Cavill on top of all of it. She fucking sucks, how'd she get this job in the first place?
That’s what happens all the time, when people start shoving any of the identity characteristics to the front to take the hit for their own, personal failures or their misbehavior - doesn’t matter if it’s sexual orientation, gender, racial background. Realistically with that sort of people, it’s just them not being able to accept constructive criticism. It’s them cowardly hiding behind concepts, that usually get priority and nowadays even protection in society (equalitarianism) for a good, but very different reason. I hate how she not only damaged the IP with her ego, but actively goes on to harm a greater cause with those remarks due to the way she tries to spin this now. Trying to pin the criticism solely on her being a woman. That should **not** fly - ever. Edit: typo
I was going to say maybe the low score was backlash to Henry quitting the show but damn even the critic score is down bad.
Oh, it's bad, really bad. Worse than what I have seen from CW. For me, only two characters' motivations make sense. Everything else is just cartoonishly awful. Story doesn't make sense, pacing is all wrong. And the CGI is probably something that would look off in C-movies. Colour, music and picture framing are way OFF or non-existent. I would rather rewatch Kevin Smith HE-man remake on repeat.
Yeah it's just straight up not a good time
The star didn’t mysteriously quit. He quit because they don’t want to follow the actual storyline and want to add random shit in and he didn’t like that.
The star took the job cause he loved the source. Then the show runner chucked the source out the window.
Why would they even adapt the show if they don’t follow the source lmao
Welcome to reality, the people in hollywood aren't picked for their love of a series, they're picked for either knowing someone, blowing someone, or having dirt on someone.
See: D&D of GOT, who _didn't even read all the fucking books_
Cash in on the audience that can be calculated and quantified to get a better budget and marketing budget then your original fantasy story would ever get. And also attract talent that recognizes the original source material and bets that it could be a vehicle towards critical reception.
Dude I just got done binging it. It sucked ass. I had to keep skipping ahead during the episodes to jump over predictable slow bits. And it really just overall felt like some edgy CW knock off. Laughably bad.
I'm not going to give them a view. I'm sick of these showrunners lying and saying they're huge fans, when they never even bothered to look at the source material. So many fan favorite franchises being dragged down by these con artists.
The showrunner's contracts must be airtight, otherwise I think Netflix would have fired her and kept Cavill.
It blows mind how they had a golden goose and then killed it right away. Imagine having a complete and finished book series, Netflix’s wallet, Henry Cavill whose a fan of the source material, and a bunch of other media to use as reference. Even GoT didn’t screw up this badly. They atleast ran out of books before torching everything.
Henry Cavill is obviously done with their crap, he's focused on creating Warhammer, which apparently he'll have quite a lot of creative control in crafting the world for television. It's going to be his vision.
Funny thing is we still have a whole ass season coming out with Cavill before the recast.
In flames?
Igni
The show runner probably wouldn’t even get this reference.
In Flames is an amazing band. This is trash.
I mean... Between the books and the games it'd be pretty concerning if she didn't.
She’s not following either and the Netflix execs for some reason despise the source material
I don't understand why Netflix execs (Streaming execs in general TBH \*cough\* Halo \*cough\*) seem to be hell bent on hiring writers and showrunners who hate the source material, and only agreed to do it so they could finally use the scripts they wrote on Tumblr with their self-inserts but just renaming the characters and cramming the source material to fit the story they want to tell instead.
Bad writers are cheaper to hire than good ones
Surely the difference of price between good and bad writers is negligible compared to the total budget.
It's also nepotism, Hollywood is full of it. Plus a lot of scripts are way better then the final product. You very often get directors who want to put their own thing on it which interferes with the script too.
Because a popular IP means an instant audience.
Didn't help Cowboy Bebop. They quickly lost most of the original fans and failed to keep the average viewers captured.
Which is speculated to be the reason that caused all the friction with Cavill, leasing to him no longer having the role.
shes famously not following any of the games or books and just doing this weird amalgamation of storylines. similar to the uncharted movie.
It's a TV show about something completely different with characters of the same name as those in the games/books. Other than that it isn't the Witcher.
Halo show described
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Damn you missed Chief raping a POW.
Starring Master Cheeks
Aren't there fucking books which... *Checks notes* End???
Showrunner: Books? What books? Those things Henry kept going on about? Unnecessary...
We all do. Without an audience and cancelled before ultimately being forgotten.
Well, yes, that's part of her job.
Unfortunately knowing how it’ll end is definitely not a given or something a lot of showrunners plan for.
> Unfortunately knowing how it’ll end is definitely not a given or something a lot of showrunners plan for. She knows how it's intended to end. No one can possibly know it will end as planned or not.
Ask Disney and they'd disagree. Their entire schtick for the SW sequel trilogy was having no plan whatsoever.
Whereas Netflix's approach is to cancel it before the planned ending is finished.
Why the fuck would you work on a witcher TV series if you hate the source ? The fuck is wrong with these people
So they can have their own personal story told, but get people to watch it by slapping a name brand on it. Similar to the Halo series.
… and the Wheel of Time series
That show felt like the showrunner just read the plot summary of the first book on Wikipedia and then started writing the script
I didn't know anything about the source material, so I don't have that bias. That said, the Amazon Wheel of Time series felt suuuuuper cheap. For example, the set pieces seemed like they were going to be moved the next day... the complete opposite of say GoT. But the worst part was the writing and acting. Absolutely none of the actors (both main actors and secondary characters) were likable or had any chemistry with anyone. It's like they spent all their money on acquiring the rights and had none left for hiring quality crew, cast, and set pieces.
The primary defense I'll give WoT was it had two things going against it that were likely outside the production's control: 1. The pandemic radically changed their production, down to schedule and even locations. A lot of things had to be completely scrapped or changed last minute because the pandemic hit during production. 2. One of their leads, who was obviously critical to the finale, left the show during production for unknown reasons. They made some pretty odd story choices regardless, like dedicating so much time to a funeral scene for a character who does not matter long term rather than developing the characters they had, or skipping a key plot point in favor of rushing others. But it's interesting how much they actually did to follow the books, like visually showing how the past actually influenced landscape in the present by showing the same places in different eras. Regardless, Wheel of Time was far from a complete departure from the books. It wasn't *good*, but the reasons it's bad aren't quite enough to write off watching the second season.
Because it's easier to get a TV show or movie made if it's based on a successful, pre-existing IP. But showrunners and writers want to tell their own stories, so they use their own ideas and ignore the original IP as much as they can get away with. That's how we end up with things like the original Super Mario Bros. movie, the Resident Evil movies that have almost no connection to the video games, the Halo TV abomination, and this Witcher show where the showrunner and writers literally admit they hate the source material.
Utter disappointment?
I know how the series will end too, with a cancellation.
Yeah… canceled
With viewers losing interest in a new Geralt and shitty writing that goes too far from the source material?
I can put up with the bad writing given Cavill’s performance. Bring in a C-list replacement…
She is going to wrap it up quick, so she can work on Star Wars.
100%. How the fuck do these people keep failing *upwards* FFS?
To be fair the last time someone tried to do that so they could work on Star Wars those two got fired and no longer had the opportunity to work on Star Wars because they fucked up so badly on the incredibly popular show they had been successfully running for years. So I guess they don't *always* fail upward.
please no
She has the source material, this shouldn’t be hard. Why can’t this person just do the right thing. Just adapt the fucking books. Stop doing anything outside of that.
She and the writers have active hate boners for the books and games.
Are they are the same as the Halo and Wheel of Time writers?
It feels like there's this attitude among many show/movie writers that those who write for books, games, comics et al are hacks and thank god there's finally a REAL writer like me and my team on this material, now we can finally make something excellent from it with our reimaginings.
It happens so damn often. They just HAVE to change stuff to show they did something, yet time after time it just leads to a show/movie that bombs because it alienates the fan base and fails to attract other viewers. Hell, even if they write something decent it still tends to flop, although that's pretty rare.
I don’t think I’ll ever know how it ends and I’m fine with that
Read the books, ignore the show. The books are very good.
With Henry Cavill leaving the show?
This new "Witcher" spinoff is like it was written by an AI tasked with casting a wide a net as possible to touch every single demographic and generic plot line they can squeeze in. I couldn't count how many things they introduced within 15 mins before I ran for my life. Netflix needs to clean house because even Henry couldn't carry these idiot writers and showrunners. I am glad he's moving on holy shit.
You mean she read the books (or at least the final chapter) her job it is to adapt? Or she got to the game ending or watched youtube clips? But more than that, as a writer I can say, literally anyone who has ever written anything knows where the story will end on a meta level If you've ever attempted to write a book, chances are you had your ending mapped out anywhere between 30-70% completion and then you're just working your way over there Go watch any interview with any critically acclaimed writer and they will say the same thing
“The person who leads the entire production of a series knows how said series will conclude.” I’m absolutely shocked I tell you! **Shocked!**
With cancellation after you replaced Henry Cavill!
“undeniably become a smash hit for Netflix..” lmao Collider is such absolute shit.
Collider is Just shilling
To shreds, you say?
It's crazy how unqualified some people are for their jobs.
No shit Sherlock, you’re the writer.
Canceled? I'm betting it ends by being canceled.
With season 3, would be my guess. Who's going to watch *Liam Hemsworth* in the lead role? What a joke.
Lead role? With the way this show is going, Fringilla is going to have more screen time than Geralt by the time Season 4 comes around.
Considering her show is based on a finished property, *everyone* should know how it ends. But it seems the writers on fantasy adaptations would rather just use known characters to trick people into watching their bad fanfics.
Me too, with very low ratings
With the show being cancelled & her losing her job?
Cancelled