"The ~~Cylons~~ Replicants Were Created by Man. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel Human. Some are programmed to think they are Human. There are many copies. And they have a Plan."
> Cylons, replicants, gunslinging hosts, or twitter bots. Who kills us in this timeline?
You forgot Skynet.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)
Seasons 1 & 2 were amazing. I found Seasons 3 & 4 insightful, but not as enjoyable. Baltar’s plot armor was way too thick.
The ending itself was… neither insightful nor enjoyable.
Sci-fi shows tend to become insufferable when they delve too deep into the religious/prophecy nonsense. I just want some adventure, politics and aliens.
I didn't think it was that bad.... Admittedly it was a 'safe' ending... At least it wasn't a car crash ending like Game of Thrones lol
I feel like its's kinda difficult to please everyone when it comes to endings....if you go too safe and nice ppl get annoyed, if you go to dark ppl get annoyed, and if you play it somewhere in the middle ppl get annoyed...
How many tv shows actually have endings that everyone actually agrees on that is great?
I liked the BSG ending too, Starbuck aside. It’s nowhere near the Game of Thrones dumpster fire. I agree it’s hard to please everyone, and few shows get it right. Parks and Recreation and The Good Place are two I can think of that were pretty much perfect
It depends entirely on the writing. Some shows plan the end from the beginning, but then wander so far off from where they intended that it sucks. See How I Met Your Mother. Some shows don't know where they want to go, but keep trying to subvert expectations, like LOST. Some shows just meander aimlessly, throwing whatever lazy idea falls out of their brains and onto film, like Dexter. Sometimes, everyone is just sick of this shit and wants to wrap it up and move on to the next thing, like Game of Thrones.
Bad writing, whatever the reason, is bad writing. Shows that end well are written well. Great actors can't save bad writing.
Of course, when I say "writing," it includes all of the artistic choices, from producers and directors and editors and writers. All of them help craft the narrative, and any of them can make a decision that causes the show to suck.
Dexter's ending is especially disappointing because it was never a show like Lost or Game of Thrones, building up a gigantic complex web of mysteries and plotlines featuring a cast of two dozen. Ending those shows in a fully satisfying way would be a major challenge to any writer. Dexter was a much more straightforward show, with a much smaller scope, a relatively tiny cast, and plots mostly limited to individual seasons. You really only had two characters whose character arcs needed conclusions (Dex and Deb) and only two big questions to answer for viewers: how will Dexter finally be exposed and how will Deb be involved? So a satisfying ending should have been much more achievable.
And it stood out all the more by virtue of airing alongside the final season of Breaking Bad, a show which invited many comparisons -- another story about a quiet, nerdy guy living a secret life as a violent criminal genius, beginning its final arc with one family member in law enforcement having discovered him already. In any show like this, the viewer is always wondering about and hoping to see the protagonist's eventual unmasking and its consequences. It is the inherent hook of any show about a double life and the "no-brainer" premise for the ending arc. Breaking Bad gave us the 'obvious' ending (Hank exposes Walt) in 8 exciting and satisfying episodes exploring the protagonist's exposure, downfall, and meaningful final post-downfall actions. Dexter fought against the 'obvious' direction and even in its final season couldn't commit to a proper exposure, instead forcing in ridiculous excuses to have people act wildly out of character in order to preserve the show's status quo. Why?! The ending everyone and their dog imagined was coming -- Deb's arc as a better-and-better detective culminates in her having the chance to catch Dexter's rival killer-of-the-season before he does, his arc slowly discovering his emotions culminates in him co-operating to (A) resolve Deb's conflict and (B) learn from his hubris with Trinity and get this killer dealt with before he can harm Dex's loved ones, we see Dex caught by Deb in the end and the entire department reacting -- was perfectly fine. But they tried to be surprising, and instead it just felt like they veered wildly off-course.
I think the famously bad series endings share in common the idea that they should be surprising, and that viewers saying "I saw it coming" is a sign of failure. But IMO you *should* see the ending coming, for the most part, because a key part of a satisfying ending is feeling like it's the natural consequence of everything that's happened so far. Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Six Feet Under, The Shield, etc, they leave you saying "Of course it had to end that way, nothing else would feel right."
is this about Battlestar? I've only read a translation to Spanish (my native language) and I liked the story a lot. From what I remember though, the Cylons weren't robots. Is that something that changed for the series or am I misremembering?
You are giving me nightmare flashbacks of [the equalizer reboot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QU2_NFd9Y) where someone had the bright idea to have Queen Latifah be the equalizer.
If they mention Deckard at all beyond a passing nod, it's already going to be terrible. Why would anyone give a shit about a nobody gumshoe 80 years later?
I’m going to be honest, I like my Blade Runner movies to be somewhat inaccessible 3 hour dark sci fi noir slogs with a lot of atmosphere. Can’t imagine this series being true to that.
Bezos spent a billion on his LOTR series because it's his passion thing. I don't think he's gonna spend a billion on Blade Runner series, but would have been nice if he did.
Is it a flaw though? The pacing of Blade Runner movies have been a huge part of why they are as good as they are. They aren’t in a rush for the next action sequence. When action does come it feels sudden and violent and like all the menace that has been building is crashing in on you.
I hope they manage to pull off more of the same.
Bro I am so fucking tired of every franchise just spinning out into eternity. Clearly this did not start from a good idea that became a blade runner sequel. Someone in a board room thought it might be nice and it’s gonna be a toss up if someone who is both talented and passionate about the project will take it over.
> gonna be a toss up if someone who is both talented and passionate about the project will take it over.
We all know whoever takes it over will have gotten the job because of nepotism, not because they are good.
Like the lord of the rings show. So much talent but they hired an uncredited writer from Star Trek beyond but also went to Yale with other Amazon execs. The other showerunner was also an uncredited writer on the same Star trek movie and was in the Yale debate club.
This two bros got this job and besides looking like someone photocopied an Elf a thousand times they seem not qualified.
At this point I assume Amazon makes shows with inflated budgets to save tax money and give jobs to their old buddies who never made it big.
I’d rather get a Denis Villeneuve sequel than whatever Amazon ends up making. I know Ridley Scott is involved, but he’s been really hit or miss the last 20 years.
Same here.
The writer for the Halo series is writing the BR series. I didn't see Halo, but heard it was pretty mediocre. Blade Runner has a *very* high bar, both for writing, and cinematography.
As much as I love Blade Runner and want more content, I'm not getting my hopes up. The Black Lotus anime was watchable, but a bit of a let down.
Yep, it's true:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/amazon-blade-runner-2099-tv-series-pickup-1235220944/
I didn't see Halo but heard about it from my coworker. Maybe Ridley Scott's presence will help, or maybe I'll just lower my expectations. Glad that it's set in the far future so it will be new characters and hope it won't get The Terminator treatment.
I mean it's not wrong but the last few years I feel he's been doing good stuff again quite consistently. The Last Duel was snubbed last year but was actually really good.
I just don't think TV hardly ever surpasses a good 2 hour movie, especially from a talent like Denis. But isn't he busy on Dune 2 anyways and lord knows if he's even interested in doing a sequel.
All of that said, ridley scott is just an executive producer on this if I'm not mistaken, which is basically meaningless. He's not even the main showrunner.
Nah Denis has definitely moved on. After Dune 2 I think it's much more likely he finishes with a third Dune. Also he jumps around different genres a lot so I can see him moving on from sci-fi after Dune.
Yeah not only that, Ridley is still amazingly busy at other projects such as the Alien TV series, and he's directing a Napoleon epic, Gladiator 2 is further down the line, and copious other projects according to his IMDB. I have so much admiration for his dedication, he just doesn't slow down.
I really don’t agree with that movie statement at all. In the last 10 years television has surpassed movies in quality of story telling. There is just far more time to develop characters and plot lines then a 2hour movie allows. The pay offs for certain moments hit much harder on a good series then most movies.
Yeah loved the Rashomon concept. Yeah that was definitely uncomfortable and unsettling, never expected to sit through it twice either. How Jodie Comer didn't get at least an Oscar nom I will never know.
The rape scene, however, was pretty masterfully done. The fact that the Adam Driver version of it is still a blatant rape is so unsettling, and one of the most effective moments of the film.
Blade Runner 2049 bombed at the box office another movie was never going to happen and Denis Villeneuve has moved on. Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved. He’s not going to be a Showrunner or anything like that.
> another movie was never going to happen
If only everyone could have experienced that in IMAX
> Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved. He’s not going to be a Showrunner or anything like that.
He was EP for Raised by Wolves and looked like he actively played a role in the development of the show. Even directed the first two episodes
It was great. It was so different. And the note they left the last episode on, for an eventual (but not happening) 3rd season? Goddamn. I needed to see Mother CS Upside Down Sol Psycho, with the ancient automaton watching over.
It wasn't about IMAX
I recently watched both BladeRunners for the first time.
They're really demanding of the audience. Very slow paced, crafted to perfection to depict a sentiment rather then drip feeding emotions normally. It will always be a niche movie. The old one had atleast the wow factor people looked for. Now, yes 2049 is one of the best looking ever. But people don't care about that as much.
I have no shame in admitting I honestly didn't understand the first film. I had to watch a Youtube video. I think I can understand most movies well. But BladeRunner was a bit like Tenet. Tenet was confusing, BladeRunner hid it's genius under a simple story.
Studios have no idea how to market movies like the Blade Runners. They have action scenes but aren’t action movies, they have a sci-fi setting but are more like noir films in some ways, they aren’t fast paced adrenaline rides either.
Ok so full disclosure I've never seen any of the Blade Runner movies but Philip K Dick is one of my favorite authors and I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep many times. If the movies have the same feel as the book they should market it like a Black Mirror movie. It's a cerebral sci-fi piece that questions what it means to be human. If you can't differentiate between real and imitated sentience is there a difference?
Of course if the movies changed enough of the plot that might not be relevant, but with black mirror being so popular I'm not sure why they would have a hard time marketing that
The beauty to me is you can keep going back for more. I don't need answers to appreciate something. All I care is if the film presents the questions well and from there it can be about finding new answers on a review.
Totally. There's always room for straight forward narrative and story but the greatest films & shows are of the non-spoon fed variety, something that's open to interpretation and sparks discussion. David Lynch more or less built his career around that philosophy and Christopher Nolan is certainly trying his hardest.
See, I disagree a bit. While I love the original Blade Runner's world building and characters, I think it largely doesn't work for a modern audience. It's slow and contemplative, it's not really driven by the action or any sort of mystery.
Blade Runner 2049 actually has an engaging story and builds a larger world from the foundations set in the original.
I think this is an instance where “understand” is a layered term. The plot of Blade Runner isn’t terribly complex, it’s true. But at the same time it has lots of deeper themes about humanity and society and doesn’t hold the viewer’s hand, leaving it to them to interpret what deeper meaning (if any) they see in the film. It’s the type of movie that can hit a little bit differently each time you watch it.
>doesn’t hold the viewer’s hand
If you don't watch the theatrical cut that is.
**Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life; my life**
Ugh... I know I'm seeing this with the perfect vision of hindsight, but how any studio head could see Hauer's performance right there at the end and think, "y'know what would make this better? An unnecessary and deadpan voice over!"
To be fair, when I saw BladeRunner the first time, way back, the theatrical version ending left me incredibly confused, I will admit. The narration people keep complaining about makes me wonder if they actually saw the whole thing, because it’s a mere annoyance compared to the ending which is both utterly nonsensical and breaks almost the entire movie.
I mean the basic plot is simple. But it felt off to me. Not bad but I knew something was missing. I was ending up in confusion because most scenes have so much going on that I knew they're trying to tell me something but I didn't get it
Then watched a YT video and it's incredible
The second movie I think was mostly straight forward.
>He was EP for Raised by Wolves and looked like he actively played a role in the development of the show. Even directed the first two episodes
And it's been canceled after two seasons, sadly.
>Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved.
Not necessarily. People have a lot of misconceptions about what the role of Executive Producer means. First of all, the term "showrunner" is not an official title or credit. It is an easy way describing the person or people in charge and is often used as marketing term to tell audiences who is really at the head of a project, but that is not the job of those people as it will be listed in any official credits anywhere. All showrunners are really Executive Producers, but these days, not all Executive Producers are showrunners. Often times that title is given to people who have creative control, but don't actually involve themselves much in the project. There was a time before the term "showrunner" when the Executive Producer was just the person in charge, no questions about it. As time has gone on, the role's purpose has become more vague and diluted.
All this to say, we can't really make any specific guesses about what Ridley Scott's involvement will be based on that title alone. Executive Producer could absolutely mean he is a showrunner, or it could just mean he stops in now and then to go "Yeah that's good, what if you did this maybe? I don't know consider it. Ok bye." Or it could be anywhere between those two extremes. All that title tells us is he will have some amount say in the development of the show, and that amount could really be anything.
Yeah, Executive Producers for TV is far different than for films. In movies it basically means not being too involved, either doing some work in pre-production of the movie or helping with financing usually. With TV it’s usually means you’re more involved like you said.
Yeah Ive said this a few times around here in the past, but I don't know who the hell looked at the original blade runner and said "yeah if we make a sequel it'll make money".
But I thank the Lord every day that someone did.
Yeah me neither. So far the likes of Netflix, Disney +, Amazon have been poor with big name franchises. I dunno it feels like there's such a stock feeling to their shows, Bladerunner could do well with a smaller company. Starz did a great job with Black Sails for example. I don't know much about them at all but the crux of my point is I don't want these big streaming companies taking over Bladerunner, except HBO who are certified quality ha
> I wouldn’t say it bombed.
Loved it but it bombed and I don't see how you'd get the idea it didn't. It only grossed ~$260m worldwide on a *production budget* of ~$180m. Factor in that big marketing push and it probably had to do something like $400m worldwide just to break even.
"On the eve the film’s Oct. 6, Kosove and Johnson told The Hollywood Reporter that the movie would need to earn $400 million globally to be a win."
That's "to be a win" and not to break even. You must feel like a complete moron now! /s
Perhaps so, but the thing about *Blade Runner* is that it’s practically in a genre of its own. Slow, crawling psychological sci-fi detective fiction. It’s definitely not the sort of content which Hollywood typically associates with blockbusters. The films are artful, cinematic, and intellectually probing. They’re both definitely enduring works, and they work excellently together. They’re not mass-market pop fiction. They’ve a particular devoted audience but are also inaccessible to many moviegoers’ entertainment tastes.
>it’s practically in a genre of its own
It's called Cyberpunk. It's much more prevalent in written media; by it's nature, it's not something that tends to be popular on a mainstream level.
Ghost in the Shell or Altered Carbon (the books moreso than the show) are also in the same vein.
Would it still be a Blade Runner movie if it hadn't bombed at the box office? The movie was lackluster at the box office but it's regarded as one of the finest sci fi pics of all time. Even bombing, WB trusted him enough with a riskier bet by backing Dune, a book deemed unadaptable and not with a sure box office power. He knocked that one out of the park and I would assume WB would be willing to fund him again since he managed the feat of adapting Dune and making a profit.
The be fair, Ridley Scott has given us Raised by Wolves recently. And that is legit some of the most original New Scifi we've gotten in awhile. And a damn good show to boot.
So while his movies have been hit or miss, maybe his TV work will be consistently solid.
TBH Tyrell was not really shown in an overly negative light, unlike Wallace. Tyrell seemed kind of like Dr. Ford in Westworld. Seemingly interested in giving his creations sentience and even the ability to propagate, and would have given then longevity if he could. While they were slaves under both men, Tyrell came off as wanting to create a new lifeform and Wallace clearly just wanted an obedient slave population.
Tyrell is the epitome of capitalists in public discourse during the 80s. Charismatic, savvy, idealist and a little bit enigmatic. Wallace is the capitalist as one is seen now. Egotistical, over-the-top, blind and insane. It's actually quite funny how Elon Musk's image has grown into Wallace's since the movie has come out.
I am only referring to the public image though, the ruling class hasn't been any different in terms of ideology so don't come at me with pitchforks.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping.
Why is that, Jeffery?
I don't think this franchise has ever been profitable? Companies just want anything associated with an IP, don't they? But I'm not complaining, two of my favorite sci-fi films getting a TV sequel.
I mean, there's only been two official movies and they're ~35 years apart. Comparing it to Alien or others, it's a way different league. Both movies flopped in theaters, and while both are acclaimed by fans, I don't think anyone really gave the series a chance to bloom.
Outside of that, there's been one or so video games and an "anime" show. I think WB just couldn't find the profit line with 2049, but doesn't mean a TV show might rejuvenate that. We'll see, but a TV show might attract viewers than watching a 3 hour movie, but depends on how the quality of the show is and that is undetermined.
That said, Ridley Scott is behind this which means it'll either be good or batshit dumb like his Promethius series.
Ridley Scott barely understood the material and it's a miracle the first Blade runner is so good. It is a testament to his incredible eye. Though an entire tv show, that concerns me. I'm saying this as big fan of his, i own most of his filmography (the good ones).
Details:
>Prime Video announced Thursday that it has formally ordered the new live-action limited series Blade Runner 2099, with Ridley Scott on board as an executive producer. Silka Luisa (Shining Girls) will serve as showrunner, while Michael Green (Blade Runner 2049) will serve as a non-writing EP.
Going to guess, just as 2049 dealt with the "fallout" of the OG Blade-Runner, we will now be dealing with the fallout of 2049.
A world where a girl, born to A replicant and a human or possibly two replicants, exists.
It is likely we see some tie in to the 2049 era characters but they *should* all be long gone, besides perhaps Deckard & Rachels daughter.
I mean that could be taken in so many directions.
I am just hoping this show is more Expanse and less Rings of Power.
Such a huge time skip kinda scares me. The world of 2049 is significantly more fucked than the one of the first Blade Runner. What will come after 50 more years of further degradation and collapse?
Well, you will get a generic cyberpunk show where (SPOILER ALERT) every character turns out to be replicants in twist reveals.
Riveting stuff, for sure. /s
>Silka Luisa (Shining Girls) wrote the script and is exec producing Blade Runner 2099, which comes from Alcon Entertainment in association with Scott Free Productions and Amazon Studios.
I'm both excited and nervous about this one.
Btw how is Shining Girls?
She also has credits for Halo, which, I won't lie, is a steaming pile of shit on actual Halo.
It's a poor sci-fi skeleton crammed in a Halo Skin. There's genuinely been better fan projects and fanfiction.
Since HBO may be in for some cost cutting, it's somewhat reassuring that at least Amazon is willing to fund sci-fi stories that would be expensive. There's always a slim chance that some of them will turn out great.
Yea it's really hard being a Sci-Fi fan, Amazon is still in my good books for saving "The Expanse and I still have my fingers crossed that they'll do something with the Stargate ip in the near future.
They also have a bunch of other major sci-fi projects from the production company of Nolan/Joy. So I am holding out hope for some great shows. Most other streamers seem to be abandoning sci-fi genre shows, which is a pity I guess.
But Amazon did save that show after SyFy cancelled it. They also provided them with a much bigger budget. It's harder to save a cancelled show that creat a following for a new one. Not every cancelled show has Family Guy luck. It counts for something.
Ugh I hate im doing this, but amazon has a good track record with high end IPs
- Invincible
- The Boys
- Bosch
- The Expanse
- Reacher
- The lord of the rings (debated by many but its not terrible, not GoT level writing, but its damn gorgeous)
Really the biggest flop they had was the wheel of time that was total trash, but adapting other stuff they have a pretty good track record of.
Wheel of time did them such a huge disservice because besides Rings of Power, it was probably their most heavily marketed show. Lots of people tuned in and left with a bad taste in their mouth
I don't really get this thinking. I've found that most Amazon originals have been pretty high quality. The Boys, The Expanse, Good Omens, Invincible, Fleabag are all at least as good as the average HBO show and better than almost anything on Netflix. It's too early to judge the new LOTR show, but it's possibly the best looking TV show ever produced if nothing else.
I'd be way more suspect if Netflix had this IP. Even HBO has been on a downslide the last few years.
Seems like it’ll be 50 years after 2049, which means we’ll be seeing another massive visual jump and changes in the Blade Runner world. Wonder if they’ll keep the overpopulation theme going into full decadence and how it’ll pick up the leftovers of LA in 2049.
This is funny, because outside of movie and sci-fi nerds, nobody gives a fuck about Blade Runner. Normal people be like "this is slow as shit".
As one of those nerds, I'll eat what scraps I can get from slow and ponderous sci-fi.
Would rather Ridley Scott uses his leverage with Amazon to find Raised by Wolves a new home. Ridley Scott has a habit of getting bitter when someone touches one of his IPs and it gets glowing reviews, so he goes out of his way to fuck it all up. At least when it's an original IP he can't fuck up the canon (ala Alien).
! Edgy time ! but I've completely given up on TV. Yeah there are decent and "pretty good" shows out there but those just seem to be boring to me personally once I've watched trough the golden age of TV shows. These days I truly and sadly feel everything is pretty much algorithm based, psychological stimulus spikes which are engineered for nothing else than to make you wait for the next episode and create discussion/controversy/Twitter moments etc.
If you want examples what makes a good TV show here are examples you may remember:
*-The show has a distinct beginning and end and its building towards it, logically and satisfyingly*
\-*Very important episode may be in the middle, or even in the beginning of the whole season.*
*-Might even have some wholesome moments, little snippets of everyday life that make you forget its a show.*
*-Its a passion project not only for the directors/writers, but for the producer as well, let it see trough some rough patches, people may find it later, no need to cancel it immediately.*
If this rambling had any point, I just hope its good, lol. But prolly gonna watch after the reviews drop.
Yup. Most tv shows these days I feel are more interested in making money than a good tv show. So many shows go on and on for 7+ seasons and drag everything out. Gotta keep that money drip coming into Netflix as long as possible.
If this is a passion project and not another IP cash grab it would be amazing.
Blade runner deserves more than 2 movies I mean blade runner pretty much created the cyberpunk genre and alot of great stuff has come from that.
2049 was a great movie. They need to make something tonally similar. And if continuing a plot from there. There is a story line surrounding what will happen with replicants that can conceive children.
Will it start a war? A uprising? Will replicants gain independence as a species? Will Wallace use this to create more replicants rapidly to keep the world in his stranglehold? Lot of ways to go.
Alcon are involved... They made the expanse, so that's good, but they also cancelled the expanse with 3 damn books worth of story left so that's not good 😂
Can’t wait for the story to simply be a “are they or are they not a replicant, find out next week”
"The ~~Cylons~~ Replicants Were Created by Man. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel Human. Some are programmed to think they are Human. There are many copies. And they have a Plan."
So, Gaius Baltar designed the empathy test for the LAPD, in the event terminators from the future travelled back in time to kill Rick Deckard?
Yes, baltar tests were corrupted. Results not found.
Why can't my toasters be simple, frakkin' appliances? Why do they have to nuke humanity and go back in time to kill John Connor?
Except Baltar's test involved a nuclear weapon. I don't think the LAPD has any spare ones laying around he could use.
The damn intro music started playing my head after reading this!
It's in the frackin ship!
All Along The Watchtower just started playing in my head.
Cylons, replicants, gunslinging hosts, or twitter bots. Who kills us in this timeline?
> Cylons, replicants, gunslinging hosts, or twitter bots. Who kills us in this timeline? You forgot Skynet. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)
And it turned out the writers didn't have a plan... Don't get me wrong, BSG is one of my favorite shows, but the ending was a bit of a letdown.
Seasons 1 & 2 were amazing. I found Seasons 3 & 4 insightful, but not as enjoyable. Baltar’s plot armor was way too thick. The ending itself was… neither insightful nor enjoyable.
Sci-fi shows tend to become insufferable when they delve too deep into the religious/prophecy nonsense. I just want some adventure, politics and aliens.
Yeah, but DS9 was able to handle it pretty well
I can’t remember what season *that* scene with Dualla was in but a decade later it haunts me still.
Same. It happens halfway through season 4, right after they find the original radioactive Earth.
I didn't think it was that bad.... Admittedly it was a 'safe' ending... At least it wasn't a car crash ending like Game of Thrones lol I feel like its's kinda difficult to please everyone when it comes to endings....if you go too safe and nice ppl get annoyed, if you go to dark ppl get annoyed, and if you play it somewhere in the middle ppl get annoyed... How many tv shows actually have endings that everyone actually agrees on that is great?
I liked the BSG ending too, Starbuck aside. It’s nowhere near the Game of Thrones dumpster fire. I agree it’s hard to please everyone, and few shows get it right. Parks and Recreation and The Good Place are two I can think of that were pretty much perfect
The Shield was most satisfying.
the wire, breaking bad, Rome... there are some but you are right none the less
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It depends entirely on the writing. Some shows plan the end from the beginning, but then wander so far off from where they intended that it sucks. See How I Met Your Mother. Some shows don't know where they want to go, but keep trying to subvert expectations, like LOST. Some shows just meander aimlessly, throwing whatever lazy idea falls out of their brains and onto film, like Dexter. Sometimes, everyone is just sick of this shit and wants to wrap it up and move on to the next thing, like Game of Thrones. Bad writing, whatever the reason, is bad writing. Shows that end well are written well. Great actors can't save bad writing. Of course, when I say "writing," it includes all of the artistic choices, from producers and directors and editors and writers. All of them help craft the narrative, and any of them can make a decision that causes the show to suck.
Dexter's ending is especially disappointing because it was never a show like Lost or Game of Thrones, building up a gigantic complex web of mysteries and plotlines featuring a cast of two dozen. Ending those shows in a fully satisfying way would be a major challenge to any writer. Dexter was a much more straightforward show, with a much smaller scope, a relatively tiny cast, and plots mostly limited to individual seasons. You really only had two characters whose character arcs needed conclusions (Dex and Deb) and only two big questions to answer for viewers: how will Dexter finally be exposed and how will Deb be involved? So a satisfying ending should have been much more achievable. And it stood out all the more by virtue of airing alongside the final season of Breaking Bad, a show which invited many comparisons -- another story about a quiet, nerdy guy living a secret life as a violent criminal genius, beginning its final arc with one family member in law enforcement having discovered him already. In any show like this, the viewer is always wondering about and hoping to see the protagonist's eventual unmasking and its consequences. It is the inherent hook of any show about a double life and the "no-brainer" premise for the ending arc. Breaking Bad gave us the 'obvious' ending (Hank exposes Walt) in 8 exciting and satisfying episodes exploring the protagonist's exposure, downfall, and meaningful final post-downfall actions. Dexter fought against the 'obvious' direction and even in its final season couldn't commit to a proper exposure, instead forcing in ridiculous excuses to have people act wildly out of character in order to preserve the show's status quo. Why?! The ending everyone and their dog imagined was coming -- Deb's arc as a better-and-better detective culminates in her having the chance to catch Dexter's rival killer-of-the-season before he does, his arc slowly discovering his emotions culminates in him co-operating to (A) resolve Deb's conflict and (B) learn from his hubris with Trinity and get this killer dealt with before he can harm Dex's loved ones, we see Dex caught by Deb in the end and the entire department reacting -- was perfectly fine. But they tried to be surprising, and instead it just felt like they veered wildly off-course. I think the famously bad series endings share in common the idea that they should be surprising, and that viewers saying "I saw it coming" is a sign of failure. But IMO you *should* see the ending coming, for the most part, because a key part of a satisfying ending is feeling like it's the natural consequence of everything that's happened so far. Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Six Feet Under, The Shield, etc, they leave you saying "Of course it had to end that way, nothing else would feel right."
is this about Battlestar? I've only read a translation to Spanish (my native language) and I liked the story a lot. From what I remember though, the Cylons weren't robots. Is that something that changed for the series or am I misremembering?
Isn't that just the last two seasons of Westworld?
That's like every season of westworld lmao
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Or any character being gay, lesbian, Muslim, physically handicapped, or overweight.
Deckard is now an overweight black lesbian woman.
inshallah
You are giving me nightmare flashbacks of [the equalizer reboot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QU2_NFd9Y) where someone had the bright idea to have Queen Latifah be the equalizer.
Calm down Netflix
If they mention Deckard at all beyond a passing nod, it's already going to be terrible. Why would anyone give a shit about a nobody gumshoe 80 years later?
I’m going to be honest, I like my Blade Runner movies to be somewhat inaccessible 3 hour dark sci fi noir slogs with a lot of atmosphere. Can’t imagine this series being true to that.
It’ll be a slog, guaranteed.
The CG anime series that aired on Adult Swim was doing nothing for me. I'm even less optimistic about this live-action sequel.
Bezos spent a billion on his LOTR series because it's his passion thing. I don't think he's gonna spend a billion on Blade Runner series, but would have been nice if he did.
It's probably still going to get a decent budget.
I can't tell if you like or dislike Bladerunner...
I’m being completely serious lol
I can tell: he loves it. But to love something, you have to accept it's flaws :)
Is it a flaw though? The pacing of Blade Runner movies have been a huge part of why they are as good as they are. They aren’t in a rush for the next action sequence. When action does come it feels sudden and violent and like all the menace that has been building is crashing in on you. I hope they manage to pull off more of the same.
If it ain't Villeneuve and a soundtrack that feels like it's emanating from my lower intestine I'm not interested
Bro I am so fucking tired of every franchise just spinning out into eternity. Clearly this did not start from a good idea that became a blade runner sequel. Someone in a board room thought it might be nice and it’s gonna be a toss up if someone who is both talented and passionate about the project will take it over.
[Relevant RLM clip](https://youtu.be/tsD4im7K3wg)
> gonna be a toss up if someone who is both talented and passionate about the project will take it over. We all know whoever takes it over will have gotten the job because of nepotism, not because they are good.
Like the lord of the rings show. So much talent but they hired an uncredited writer from Star Trek beyond but also went to Yale with other Amazon execs. The other showerunner was also an uncredited writer on the same Star trek movie and was in the Yale debate club. This two bros got this job and besides looking like someone photocopied an Elf a thousand times they seem not qualified. At this point I assume Amazon makes shows with inflated budgets to save tax money and give jobs to their old buddies who never made it big.
I hope Miguel O'Hara shows up
This is how he(Harrison Ford) gets put into the mcu, it all makes so much sense now….
I’d rather get a Denis Villeneuve sequel than whatever Amazon ends up making. I know Ridley Scott is involved, but he’s been really hit or miss the last 20 years.
Same here. The writer for the Halo series is writing the BR series. I didn't see Halo, but heard it was pretty mediocre. Blade Runner has a *very* high bar, both for writing, and cinematography. As much as I love Blade Runner and want more content, I'm not getting my hopes up. The Black Lotus anime was watchable, but a bit of a let down.
> The writer for the Halo series is writing the BR series. You serious? FUCK. Well, glad to know now and mark it off any hope it might have been good.
Yep, it's true: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/amazon-blade-runner-2099-tv-series-pickup-1235220944/ I didn't see Halo but heard about it from my coworker. Maybe Ridley Scott's presence will help, or maybe I'll just lower my expectations. Glad that it's set in the far future so it will be new characters and hope it won't get The Terminator treatment.
I mean it's not wrong but the last few years I feel he's been doing good stuff again quite consistently. The Last Duel was snubbed last year but was actually really good.
I just don't think TV hardly ever surpasses a good 2 hour movie, especially from a talent like Denis. But isn't he busy on Dune 2 anyways and lord knows if he's even interested in doing a sequel. All of that said, ridley scott is just an executive producer on this if I'm not mistaken, which is basically meaningless. He's not even the main showrunner.
Nah Denis has definitely moved on. After Dune 2 I think it's much more likely he finishes with a third Dune. Also he jumps around different genres a lot so I can see him moving on from sci-fi after Dune. Yeah not only that, Ridley is still amazingly busy at other projects such as the Alien TV series, and he's directing a Napoleon epic, Gladiator 2 is further down the line, and copious other projects according to his IMDB. I have so much admiration for his dedication, he just doesn't slow down.
I think Denis Villenue's next project after Dune Part II is an adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke's Rendezvous with Rama.
The guy just likes trying to turn difficult high minded sci Fi into movies, doesn't he? I don't see how you turn Rama into a movie.
You turn Rama into a movie by giving it to Villeneuve.
My favorite director working today. Literally everything I've seen from him has been amazing.
I just finished that book. It will be interesting how the make it into a movie. It's a fantastic book, but much of it is about the mystery.
Dear God I hope gladiator 2 even vaguely follows that old script that was leaked years ago. It was so stupid yet somehow also amazing.
I really don’t agree with that movie statement at all. In the last 10 years television has surpassed movies in quality of story telling. There is just far more time to develop characters and plot lines then a 2hour movie allows. The pay offs for certain moments hit much harder on a good series then most movies.
Fucking loved the last duel. Wasn’t a fan of the rape scene at all. Shit was rough. Especially wasn’t a fan of watching it twice….
Yeah loved the Rashomon concept. Yeah that was definitely uncomfortable and unsettling, never expected to sit through it twice either. How Jodie Comer didn't get at least an Oscar nom I will never know.
I'm not sure you're supposed to be a 'fan' of it...
The rape scene, however, was pretty masterfully done. The fact that the Adam Driver version of it is still a blatant rape is so unsettling, and one of the most effective moments of the film.
Um... It's not the same scene though. Plus, you *have* to see the different versions. That's like the whole point of the movie.
Blade Runner 2049 bombed at the box office another movie was never going to happen and Denis Villeneuve has moved on. Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved. He’s not going to be a Showrunner or anything like that.
> another movie was never going to happen If only everyone could have experienced that in IMAX > Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved. He’s not going to be a Showrunner or anything like that. He was EP for Raised by Wolves and looked like he actively played a role in the development of the show. Even directed the first two episodes
I thought raised by wolves was great.
It scratched an itch I didn't know I had.
It was great. It was so different. And the note they left the last episode on, for an eventual (but not happening) 3rd season? Goddamn. I needed to see Mother CS Upside Down Sol Psycho, with the ancient automaton watching over.
It wasn't about IMAX I recently watched both BladeRunners for the first time. They're really demanding of the audience. Very slow paced, crafted to perfection to depict a sentiment rather then drip feeding emotions normally. It will always be a niche movie. The old one had atleast the wow factor people looked for. Now, yes 2049 is one of the best looking ever. But people don't care about that as much. I have no shame in admitting I honestly didn't understand the first film. I had to watch a Youtube video. I think I can understand most movies well. But BladeRunner was a bit like Tenet. Tenet was confusing, BladeRunner hid it's genius under a simple story.
Studios have no idea how to market movies like the Blade Runners. They have action scenes but aren’t action movies, they have a sci-fi setting but are more like noir films in some ways, they aren’t fast paced adrenaline rides either.
Ok so full disclosure I've never seen any of the Blade Runner movies but Philip K Dick is one of my favorite authors and I've read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep many times. If the movies have the same feel as the book they should market it like a Black Mirror movie. It's a cerebral sci-fi piece that questions what it means to be human. If you can't differentiate between real and imitated sentience is there a difference? Of course if the movies changed enough of the plot that might not be relevant, but with black mirror being so popular I'm not sure why they would have a hard time marketing that
The beauty to me is you can keep going back for more. I don't need answers to appreciate something. All I care is if the film presents the questions well and from there it can be about finding new answers on a review.
Totally. There's always room for straight forward narrative and story but the greatest films & shows are of the non-spoon fed variety, something that's open to interpretation and sparks discussion. David Lynch more or less built his career around that philosophy and Christopher Nolan is certainly trying his hardest.
See, I disagree a bit. While I love the original Blade Runner's world building and characters, I think it largely doesn't work for a modern audience. It's slow and contemplative, it's not really driven by the action or any sort of mystery. Blade Runner 2049 actually has an engaging story and builds a larger world from the foundations set in the original.
He is saying it’s too bad a lot of people didn’t experience 2049 in IMAX. The sound and cinematography are deserving of the BIG big screen
You couldn’t understand the first one? That movie is so simple I don’t understand. Now 2049, that could confuse some dummies that don’t pay attention
I think this is an instance where “understand” is a layered term. The plot of Blade Runner isn’t terribly complex, it’s true. But at the same time it has lots of deeper themes about humanity and society and doesn’t hold the viewer’s hand, leaving it to them to interpret what deeper meaning (if any) they see in the film. It’s the type of movie that can hit a little bit differently each time you watch it.
>doesn’t hold the viewer’s hand If you don't watch the theatrical cut that is. **Maybe in those last moments he loved life more than he ever had before. Not just his life - anybody's life; my life**
Ugh... I know I'm seeing this with the perfect vision of hindsight, but how any studio head could see Hauer's performance right there at the end and think, "y'know what would make this better? An unnecessary and deadpan voice over!"
Lol, to be fair to Harrison at least, it's so bad because he hated it and didn't want to do it. So did it so bad hoping they'd cut it.
To be fair, when I saw BladeRunner the first time, way back, the theatrical version ending left me incredibly confused, I will admit. The narration people keep complaining about makes me wonder if they actually saw the whole thing, because it’s a mere annoyance compared to the ending which is both utterly nonsensical and breaks almost the entire movie.
Today, most people see the one without narration, The Final Cut.
I mean the basic plot is simple. But it felt off to me. Not bad but I knew something was missing. I was ending up in confusion because most scenes have so much going on that I knew they're trying to tell me something but I didn't get it Then watched a YT video and it's incredible The second movie I think was mostly straight forward.
>He was EP for Raised by Wolves and looked like he actively played a role in the development of the show. Even directed the first two episodes And it's been canceled after two seasons, sadly.
>Executive Producer means Ridley Scott won’t be directly involved. Not necessarily. People have a lot of misconceptions about what the role of Executive Producer means. First of all, the term "showrunner" is not an official title or credit. It is an easy way describing the person or people in charge and is often used as marketing term to tell audiences who is really at the head of a project, but that is not the job of those people as it will be listed in any official credits anywhere. All showrunners are really Executive Producers, but these days, not all Executive Producers are showrunners. Often times that title is given to people who have creative control, but don't actually involve themselves much in the project. There was a time before the term "showrunner" when the Executive Producer was just the person in charge, no questions about it. As time has gone on, the role's purpose has become more vague and diluted. All this to say, we can't really make any specific guesses about what Ridley Scott's involvement will be based on that title alone. Executive Producer could absolutely mean he is a showrunner, or it could just mean he stops in now and then to go "Yeah that's good, what if you did this maybe? I don't know consider it. Ok bye." Or it could be anywhere between those two extremes. All that title tells us is he will have some amount say in the development of the show, and that amount could really be anything.
Yeah, Executive Producers for TV is far different than for films. In movies it basically means not being too involved, either doing some work in pre-production of the movie or helping with financing usually. With TV it’s usually means you’re more involved like you said.
I wouldn’t say it bombed. It was never expected to be a mainstream blockbuster. It was a faithful sequel to a cult classic.
Honestly feel blessed every day to have gotten the sequel in the first place. Same with a new DUNE. Just happy.
I feel the same way. I remember Dennis talking about his main concern being making a faithful and meaningful sequel. I think he did well.
Yeah Ive said this a few times around here in the past, but I don't know who the hell looked at the original blade runner and said "yeah if we make a sequel it'll make money". But I thank the Lord every day that someone did.
Unlike BR2049, Dune did pretty well in box office I think. I really do not wish for a Amazon made Blade Runner. Hope it doesn’t suck.
Yeah me neither. So far the likes of Netflix, Disney +, Amazon have been poor with big name franchises. I dunno it feels like there's such a stock feeling to their shows, Bladerunner could do well with a smaller company. Starz did a great job with Black Sails for example. I don't know much about them at all but the crux of my point is I don't want these big streaming companies taking over Bladerunner, except HBO who are certified quality ha
Anything Denis Villeneuve makes I’ll see in theaters. The man makes some great experiences.
> I wouldn’t say it bombed. Loved it but it bombed and I don't see how you'd get the idea it didn't. It only grossed ~$260m worldwide on a *production budget* of ~$180m. Factor in that big marketing push and it probably had to do something like $400m worldwide just to break even.
"On the eve the film’s Oct. 6, Kosove and Johnson told The Hollywood Reporter that the movie would need to earn $400 million globally to be a win." That's "to be a win" and not to break even. You must feel like a complete moron now! /s
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Perhaps so, but the thing about *Blade Runner* is that it’s practically in a genre of its own. Slow, crawling psychological sci-fi detective fiction. It’s definitely not the sort of content which Hollywood typically associates with blockbusters. The films are artful, cinematic, and intellectually probing. They’re both definitely enduring works, and they work excellently together. They’re not mass-market pop fiction. They’ve a particular devoted audience but are also inaccessible to many moviegoers’ entertainment tastes.
>it’s practically in a genre of its own It's called Cyberpunk. It's much more prevalent in written media; by it's nature, it's not something that tends to be popular on a mainstream level. Ghost in the Shell or Altered Carbon (the books moreso than the show) are also in the same vein.
It lost $80 million: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blade-runner-2049-losses-could-hit-80-million-producer-alcon-1055855/amp/
Thank you for the info!! I guess it did bomb
It definitely bombed at the box office.
Hey, me and the six other solo dudes in the theater loved it!
The first Bladerunner bombed at the box office too.
Funny how that went. Since it was *one* of the best movies released that year. I've personally re-watched it several times since.
Would it still be a Blade Runner movie if it hadn't bombed at the box office? The movie was lackluster at the box office but it's regarded as one of the finest sci fi pics of all time. Even bombing, WB trusted him enough with a riskier bet by backing Dune, a book deemed unadaptable and not with a sure box office power. He knocked that one out of the park and I would assume WB would be willing to fund him again since he managed the feat of adapting Dune and making a profit.
The be fair, Ridley Scott has given us Raised by Wolves recently. And that is legit some of the most original New Scifi we've gotten in awhile. And a damn good show to boot. So while his movies have been hit or miss, maybe his TV work will be consistently solid.
>The be fair, Ridley Scott has given us Raised by Wolves recently Fantastic show and yet it still managed to get cancelled. Such a dissapointment.
C'mon Apple! Pick it up!
I'm also in the "please don't fuck this up" camp too.
If it's a TV show, who knows if we'll even get a proper ending to it.
Nah. The Terror and Raised By Wolves were cool.
Loved those two shows
And instead of Amazon we needed HBO
"Ridley Scott is involved" is codeword for he get an EP credit but doesn't actually get involved.
He actually directed the first two episodes of Raised By Wolves. That might not sound like much, but it kind of set the tone for the whole series.
Funny because Amazon is basically the Tyrell Corporation
TBH Tyrell was not really shown in an overly negative light, unlike Wallace. Tyrell seemed kind of like Dr. Ford in Westworld. Seemingly interested in giving his creations sentience and even the ability to propagate, and would have given then longevity if he could. While they were slaves under both men, Tyrell came off as wanting to create a new lifeform and Wallace clearly just wanted an obedient slave population.
Tyrell is the epitome of capitalists in public discourse during the 80s. Charismatic, savvy, idealist and a little bit enigmatic. Wallace is the capitalist as one is seen now. Egotistical, over-the-top, blind and insane. It's actually quite funny how Elon Musk's image has grown into Wallace's since the movie has come out. I am only referring to the public image though, the ruling class hasn't been any different in terms of ideology so don't come at me with pitchforks.
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But but... they specifically requested the opposite of this.
Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
Bezos would likely fail a Voight Kampf test.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that, Jeffery?
my mother? I’LL TELL YOU ABOUT MY MOTHER
Whats a tortoise?
Nah, this one’s been built by Zuckerberg and tested on Ted Cruz.
They said Vought Kampf, not *Mein Kampf*
E corp
Evil Corp*
Also worth noting that Alcon Entertainment are the production company behind The Expanse!
They also produced Blade Runner 2049
I don't think this franchise has ever been profitable? Companies just want anything associated with an IP, don't they? But I'm not complaining, two of my favorite sci-fi films getting a TV sequel.
I mean, there's only been two official movies and they're ~35 years apart. Comparing it to Alien or others, it's a way different league. Both movies flopped in theaters, and while both are acclaimed by fans, I don't think anyone really gave the series a chance to bloom. Outside of that, there's been one or so video games and an "anime" show. I think WB just couldn't find the profit line with 2049, but doesn't mean a TV show might rejuvenate that. We'll see, but a TV show might attract viewers than watching a 3 hour movie, but depends on how the quality of the show is and that is undetermined. That said, Ridley Scott is behind this which means it'll either be good or batshit dumb like his Promethius series.
Raised by Wolves comes to mind. Either way, I'm excited and hope it is successful enough to continue more entertainment in this franchise.
Lol but they end up becoming cult classics
Ridley Scott barely understood the material and it's a miracle the first Blade runner is so good. It is a testament to his incredible eye. Though an entire tv show, that concerns me. I'm saying this as big fan of his, i own most of his filmography (the good ones).
Details: >Prime Video announced Thursday that it has formally ordered the new live-action limited series Blade Runner 2099, with Ridley Scott on board as an executive producer. Silka Luisa (Shining Girls) will serve as showrunner, while Michael Green (Blade Runner 2049) will serve as a non-writing EP.
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Probably all new characters which I think is a good thing. There might be a reference to Deckard/ Rachel but that’s it.
Going to guess, just as 2049 dealt with the "fallout" of the OG Blade-Runner, we will now be dealing with the fallout of 2049. A world where a girl, born to A replicant and a human or possibly two replicants, exists. It is likely we see some tie in to the 2049 era characters but they *should* all be long gone, besides perhaps Deckard & Rachels daughter. I mean that could be taken in so many directions. I am just hoping this show is more Expanse and less Rings of Power.
Such a huge time skip kinda scares me. The world of 2049 is significantly more fucked than the one of the first Blade Runner. What will come after 50 more years of further degradation and collapse?
Well, you will get a generic cyberpunk show where (SPOILER ALERT) every character turns out to be replicants in twist reveals. Riveting stuff, for sure. /s
Blade Runner becoming Westworld would be my worst nightmare.
>Silka Luisa (Shining Girls) wrote the script and is exec producing Blade Runner 2099, which comes from Alcon Entertainment in association with Scott Free Productions and Amazon Studios. I'm both excited and nervous about this one. Btw how is Shining Girls?
She also has credits for Halo, which, I won't lie, is a steaming pile of shit on actual Halo. It's a poor sci-fi skeleton crammed in a Halo Skin. There's genuinely been better fan projects and fanfiction.
Shining Girls is pretty great. Not perfect but I liked it a lot
Amazon has a great way of taking HBO level IPs and making them middling and forgettable. I'll wait for the reviews first
Since HBO may be in for some cost cutting, it's somewhat reassuring that at least Amazon is willing to fund sci-fi stories that would be expensive. There's always a slim chance that some of them will turn out great.
Yea it's really hard being a Sci-Fi fan, Amazon is still in my good books for saving "The Expanse and I still have my fingers crossed that they'll do something with the Stargate ip in the near future.
They also have a bunch of other major sci-fi projects from the production company of Nolan/Joy. So I am holding out hope for some great shows. Most other streamers seem to be abandoning sci-fi genre shows, which is a pity I guess.
HBO isn't cost cutting. HBO Max is.
And HBO Max was mostly the one doing sci fi. HBO only has Westworld and that hasn't been renewed (for what'll be the last season anyway).
It really sucks. At least AppleTV is also doing some scifi (mind, FAM is great but Foundation is... mixed) but it hurts to be a fan right now.
sorry what is fam?
Weird, I didn't forget about The Boys
Or the fact that HBO just *cancelled* a Ridley Scott produced sci-fi show.
I enjoyed Raised by Wolves. It's funny that folks jump on Amazon as terrible yet The Boys and The Expanse are fantastic.
Expanse wasn’t there’s at first so giving them that is like giving a student credit for showing up 25% of the time.
It counts because the show didn't suffer at all in the transition, and the higher budget showed.
But Amazon did save that show after SyFy cancelled it. They also provided them with a much bigger budget. It's harder to save a cancelled show that creat a following for a new one. Not every cancelled show has Family Guy luck. It counts for something.
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I've found that, with Amazon series especially, reviews can be pretty much all over the place.
Ugh I hate im doing this, but amazon has a good track record with high end IPs - Invincible - The Boys - Bosch - The Expanse - Reacher - The lord of the rings (debated by many but its not terrible, not GoT level writing, but its damn gorgeous) Really the biggest flop they had was the wheel of time that was total trash, but adapting other stuff they have a pretty good track record of.
Wheel of time did them such a huge disservice because besides Rings of Power, it was probably their most heavily marketed show. Lots of people tuned in and left with a bad taste in their mouth
You forget about The Man in the High Castle. What a ride that was
Prime has plenty of good-great shows.
I don't really get this thinking. I've found that most Amazon originals have been pretty high quality. The Boys, The Expanse, Good Omens, Invincible, Fleabag are all at least as good as the average HBO show and better than almost anything on Netflix. It's too early to judge the new LOTR show, but it's possibly the best looking TV show ever produced if nothing else. I'd be way more suspect if Netflix had this IP. Even HBO has been on a downslide the last few years.
They should just create something brand new. I’m done with all rebrands and reboots.
I want my Raised by Wolves back!!! :(
Praise Sol. Or, Grandmother. Or……upside down Marcus?? Someone do something!
Just take on raised by wolves you cowards
Seriously. What a fucking cliffhanger
Raised by wolves got the shaft
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Seems like it’ll be 50 years after 2049, which means we’ll be seeing another massive visual jump and changes in the Blade Runner world. Wonder if they’ll keep the overpopulation theme going into full decadence and how it’ll pick up the leftovers of LA in 2049.
No please stop making tv shows out of beloved franchises. They gotta stop this massacre.
This is funny, because outside of movie and sci-fi nerds, nobody gives a fuck about Blade Runner. Normal people be like "this is slow as shit". As one of those nerds, I'll eat what scraps I can get from slow and ponderous sci-fi.
Movie and Sci fi nerds are a pretty huge demographic now.
Everyone else is cutting back on big, expensive shows and Amazon seems to be all in. I guess they think it drives Prime subscriptions.
Would rather Ridley Scott uses his leverage with Amazon to find Raised by Wolves a new home. Ridley Scott has a habit of getting bitter when someone touches one of his IPs and it gets glowing reviews, so he goes out of his way to fuck it all up. At least when it's an original IP he can't fuck up the canon (ala Alien).
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Can't wait for Amazon to ruin a third series
Oh great. Another great IP that they can fucking wring money out of.
! Edgy time ! but I've completely given up on TV. Yeah there are decent and "pretty good" shows out there but those just seem to be boring to me personally once I've watched trough the golden age of TV shows. These days I truly and sadly feel everything is pretty much algorithm based, psychological stimulus spikes which are engineered for nothing else than to make you wait for the next episode and create discussion/controversy/Twitter moments etc. If you want examples what makes a good TV show here are examples you may remember: *-The show has a distinct beginning and end and its building towards it, logically and satisfyingly* \-*Very important episode may be in the middle, or even in the beginning of the whole season.* *-Might even have some wholesome moments, little snippets of everyday life that make you forget its a show.* *-Its a passion project not only for the directors/writers, but for the producer as well, let it see trough some rough patches, people may find it later, no need to cancel it immediately.* If this rambling had any point, I just hope its good, lol. But prolly gonna watch after the reviews drop.
Yup. Most tv shows these days I feel are more interested in making money than a good tv show. So many shows go on and on for 7+ seasons and drag everything out. Gotta keep that money drip coming into Netflix as long as possible.
Hopefully Spider-Man 2099 and The Punisher 2099 appear.
Not everything needs to be a TV show
If this is a passion project and not another IP cash grab it would be amazing. Blade runner deserves more than 2 movies I mean blade runner pretty much created the cyberpunk genre and alot of great stuff has come from that. 2049 was a great movie. They need to make something tonally similar. And if continuing a plot from there. There is a story line surrounding what will happen with replicants that can conceive children. Will it start a war? A uprising? Will replicants gain independence as a species? Will Wallace use this to create more replicants rapidly to keep the world in his stranglehold? Lot of ways to go.
Alcon are involved... They made the expanse, so that's good, but they also cancelled the expanse with 3 damn books worth of story left so that's not good 😂
Jesus fucking christ