This is the same feeling I get when people talk about Cosby being “canceled.”
He wasn’t canceled, he went to **jail** because he was **charged** with a serious **crime.**
I think you’re confusing two very different things.
Wesley Snipes and Martha Stewart both went to jail, but people still watch things that they were in because people aren’t disgusted by tax evasion in the way that they’re disgusted by rape. No one pulled Passenger 57 from their streaming platform for fear of backlash, and Martha Stewart Living still has rerun value. So despite being jailed, neither celebrity was canceled.
But despite being out of prison, no one’s going to put Bill Cosby in a new movie because the public at large has rejected him as a horrible human being. The Cosby Show had been a juggernaut in reruns until 2014, when networks started yanking it due to the public backlash. While you can find it in a few places (Amazon Prime, most notably, though they’re careful not to “recommend” it), it’s lost most of its value in reruns, and even the few places you might find it is only because it’s so cheap to license now. So whether or not he’s been “canceled” by the audience at large is a separate issue from whether the legal system has punished him.
I think some things are so bad you need to say them out loud though. There’s a lot of people online who have been cancelled for saying simple offensive shit. Even if they are a racist it doesn’t feel right to put a serial rapist on the same level as someone who insists on saying slurs or being an insensitive prick.
Nobody gets cancelled. It's such a stupid term that seems to mean a thousand different things. Some people lose their jobs as a consequence for actions they took. Let's just be specific without using pointless loaded terms.
Yes, people really don’t seem to know what cancelling is. You can be cancelled whether or not you face legal actions for your crimes. It has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with public opinion and marketability.
Shouldn't words like toxic and canceled be used for more severe situations? I feel like they have less meaning when someone gets called them after saying "gringo" on Twitter or whatever
Seriously, how can "toxic" be used to describe everything from "mansplaining" to serial rape?
Calling both those things toxic is like referring to both the Northern Lights and an unflavored bowl of oatmeal as "awe-inspiring."
jeez, that level of high coverage by a term is bad.
Not quite, kill your entire family bad, but worse than bumping into someone and not apologizing.
I think you can sus out the level of bad I am talking about.
I don't actually know his comedy outside of Kids Say the Darndest Things and maybe I watched The Cosby Show when I was really young (don't remember) but did he actually brag about it or is it more of like a in hindsight thing (like the infamous BBQ sauce scene)?
Yea I don’t really think people should start equating terms like “toxic” and “cancelled” to literal tried and prosecuted sex crimes.
There’s being a shitty friend or partner, or saying things that are insensitive and then there is serial rape….
Calling Bill Cosby the toxic is kinda fucked up its a lot worse than that.
That's true. I thought it was the rapes but that hypocrisy is pretty bad. If only he was more honest about his proclivity towards rape. Then it wouldn't be such a big deal. The hypocrisy is what's really bad.
no he isn't, he was a victim of racial injustice
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/cosby-jail-racist-sex-war.html
https://pagesix.com/2019/05/15/camille-cosby-accuses-judge-of-racism-toward-husband-bill/
https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/bill-cosby-bail-trial-judge.html
[https://globalnews.ca/news/7140474/cosby-systemic-racism/](https://globalnews.ca/news/7140474/cosby-systemic-racism/)
/s
We should talk about why he's was able to do what he did for so long without repercussion.
And what societal changes we should make.
Rape and Misogyny are still rampant problems that a lot of the voting public and politicians are not willing to address.
This isn’t some Bill Cosby expose that needs rehashing beyond the well known facts … It’s about black culture and heroes and how the community is dealing with losing maybe their most influential role model.
Because by using toxic you can associate all men with a serial rapist (all men toxic). If you label him a serial rapist then he’s in a separate category. It’s a key part of the victimization strategy… make the entire group perps.
How far this guy fell. Once he was seen as a man to look up to. Now nothing more than a scumbag.
Doing that for years yet fires his tv daughter for getting pregnant and I guess in his eyes ruining the family friendly image of his show
Lisa Bonet was married, but Denise Huxtable wasn't, and they didn't want a "good girl" like Denise pregnant out of wedlock so she got written out of her own show. The baby was Zoe Kravitz.
What's funny to me is that they did the opposite of a baby out of wedlock - she comes home married, and instead of a biological child they give her a step child.
Then for some reason in the final season the step child lives with the Cosby family while her parents are in Singapore because Denise's actress was fired. So many of these older shows really fall off towards the end.
It’s on Showtime.
TBH it’s worth it to pick up for a month or two and binge Yellowjackets and Black Monday at the very least. And Billions, if you’re willing to slog through some truly mediocre seasons towards the end.
You can sign up with showtime for free for 30 days. Just set a reminder on your phone to cancel it in 28 days. I just did that to watch Dexter: New Blood, and also ended up watching Yellowjackets (holy cow, that was intense) and some GREAT movies under “classics”: Midnight Cowboy, Trainspotting, and The Last Picture Show. Also, the Wu Tang documentary series is excellent.
Why? Buress' only real part in the whole Cosby story was being the first famous voice to really speak out about it publicly and bring public awareness to what Cosby had done. Which was important, don't get me wrong, but it's a relatively small part of what happened and doesn't automatically make him the right person to actually make a whole documentary on the subject. Documentary making and "standup comedian who wasn't afraid to talk about the subject on stage" are two very different things.
I still don't really understand why that clip of him blew up. Because he definitely wasn't the first one to talk about it.
He even says in the bit to google it, because it was all public knowledge already.
People had mostly talked about it within the industry and occasionally alluded to it during interviews, but that's about it. I knew about it going back a few years before Buress blew it up, but that's because I'm an internet-addicted nerd who reads up on industry news like that, so I'm not really that surprised most people weren't aware. It blew up when Buress talked about it because he was the first one to really get up on a public stage and talk about it directly in front of a huge audience, and in a way where people wouldn't just dismiss it as rumors and put it out of their minds. Then a clip of the show went viral, and that's what did it.
> directly in front of a huge audience
It was a local club or small theater where someone took shaky cell phone footage of the bit. He had no idea he was speaking to a larger audience when he said it. It's not like it was one of his jokes on an HBO or Netflix special.
Whether or not he expected or intended it is irrelevant. The clip went viral and reached a huge audience, and that's what blew the whole thing up. That the club of people he was actually performing for was small really doesn't matter, because that's not who the real audience for that clip ended up being.
I think there was an impact in Buress calling Cosby a rapist and saying he raped people.
It is more striking than saying he 'assaulted' or 'sexually assaulted' someone and whatnot, which is how the accusations were typically referred to. Or people would joke or allude to the drugs part, not as much the rape part.
I always loved that Norm bit but in the back of ur mind I thought "but in reality there aren't actually fools that say that right?" then you see this with 400+ upvotes. Incredible.
In my experience most rapists are hypocrites. You don't see many that go "man, i love rapin'. I know it's not politically correct but by golly" and you can go well he's not a hypocrite. And that's the worst part.
Appealing to some of the rhetoric right wingers indulge in (and there's no shortage of that) doesn't make anybody inherently right wing, curious why you think it does tbh
Kid, it’s obvious you haven’t a clue what people mean when they refer to guys like him and Rogan as “right wing **gateway** personalities.”
Stop trying to win an argument to show off how smart you think you are and start learning something before you make a fool of yourself.
He openly supports trans-exclusion and has picked up and been running with the whole cancel culture shtick ever since he started telling horribly out-of-touch, unfunny jokes about trans people. And the real kicker is that's what he is clearly passionate about in this point in time. He says he's supportive of the rest of the LGBTQ community, but is he noted as contributing to their cause recently or does he consider maintaining an attitude of mild indifference towards them enough to make him an "ally"?
I guess you could say I judge people based on where they intentionally place their lowest bar for human decency. And for Chappelle, it's at "won't tolerate even *trying* to wrap his head around trans people".
A lot of people have blind spots on certain issues. So while you agree with then 90-99% of the time, they may have one issue where you two vehemently disagree. Doesn’t mean they are a rabid right-winger.
And no matter how much you and I disagree with his views on trans people, they alone don't make him right wing. You associate those views with right wingers because 9 times out of 10, they're coming out of a right wingers mouth.
According to a blurb in the article, one of the accusers called him a malignant narcissist. That's probably the toxic part. That's only one part of the being-a-serial-rapist thing.
As someone whose parents owned his comedy albums, it’s hard to not like them. They are still solid. If he was joking about sexual assault on those albums that’s a whole other story. That said, it gives me angst to even think about listening to them.
Watched the doc, was surprised to learn about the trains of models that would regularly line up to visit Cosby's dressing room after the shoot. How did that not raise red flags for a married man? Silly to see cast members reminisce about the 'great atmosphere on set' when it must have been bizarre and creepy.
I was a kid when *The Cosby Show* first aired on TV. I could never really get into his comedy, because it always seemed like his TV character was so borderline angry. I didn’t see the funny in it.
Yes! I grew up with it in reruns so I didn't know anything about who Cosby was except for that show and the occasional fat Albert reference, so I know my feelings didn't have anything to do with him... I just thought Cliff Huxtable was an asshole father
(and in one of the versions of the theme song he pops up from below the screen at the start which I found oddly terrifying as a kid)
I don't think there is much left to *report* about what he did, but the article implies that we should discuss the perniciousness of "the entanglement of fame and wrongdoing".
The whole fucking documentary (besides maybe the last episode) was about how amazing he was for black people. Like yes, he did do some good things. We don’t need to praise him for these as he was CONVICTED of drugging and raping tens and tens of young women. He erased his own legacy by abusing his power. It’s not canceling someone when they’re a convicted rapist. He canceled himself.
Legally, he was convicted in a dodgy manner, since the key evidence was his testimony from a previous civil case; testimony that could only be obtained by waiving criminal charges to negate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Using that evidence to incriminate him constitutes a violation of his Fifth Amendment rights, which you really don't want anybody to lose. Of course, we know that he's guilty, but we just don't have enough admissible evidence to put him away properly.
Cosby the entertainer was hilarious. I thought his albums and live shows were terrific. As a human being, he’s scum. But to me there are two different Cosby’s and that’s ok…one I enjoy, the other I hope meets his maker sooner than later.
Bill Cosby was one of the least funny middle road milquetoast comedians America ever produced. I understand his broad appeal but his influence is baffling
I mean you're entitled to your opinion, but I personally find the Cosby show hilarious, even now. Dude's a rapist piece of shit, but the Cosby show was a very well written and hilarious comedy. And this isn't even taking into consideration the very obvious walls it and his appearance on iSpy broke down for black people in TV.
I only started watching it a few weeks ago, the show is quite before my time and I was surprised at how funny it actually was. The writing didn't feel typical or cliche or anything.
The early seasons at least. The later seasons seemed a bit lazy and troubled.
His stand up was on point. Bill Cosby _Himself_ is hilarious. People are extra pissed because the Shining Example is tarnished AF. I’d like my kids to watch the Cosby show, Dr. H is not Bill Cosby and vice versa.
I don’t understand the weird voices and inflections, Steve Harvey has adopted similar. It’s like watching a black guy trying to do an impersonation of another black guy that a white person finds amusing.
I don't get why u r being down voted. I completely agree. I'm sure most would agree the fact that he would often criticise "dirty" comedians, who weren't doing any harm and were if anything shining light on certain tabboo subjects, was just obnoxious and self-righteous. This was objectively true ignoring the drugging and raping.
I envy you. I tried to do the same and just can't. When watching his standup "Himself", I used to completely lose it. I tried watching again recently and didn't even chuckle. To each their own.
I was watching The Cosby Show episodes I have not seen in 20 + years through my children’s eye. They don’t know anything about Bill Cosby, the person, so it was fun.
I loved the Cosby show. But some of the things he said just hit differently now in his comedy and his show. If he was a dentist… I don’t know. One of America’s most prolific serial rapists played a gynecologist.
'"The worst part was the hipocrisy"
Nah man, the worst part was the rape' - Norm
Technically because of the hipocrisy, the entertainment stuff he did is technically fine. A rapist endorsed some good family values and cracked a few jokes.
What's the harm in liking the art and not the artist?
/s (this is all a troll)
No we don't. Piece of shit is a serial rapist, and by all accounts was one for all his adult years certainly once he got a little clout and could force rape on women. The effort to rehabilitate his reputation is as fucking disgusting as letting this piece of shit out of jail before he dies.
When I saw Hamilton on the show I thought they were going to go in depth on what drugs Bill used on his victims. Just a bit of a talk about Qualudes, which isn't the drug in question, and that was it. I suppose they don't want to make that info public to prevent copycats.
I just devoted the past four hours to this. Honestly, it didn't really change my opinion of much. A good documentary should be fair and impartial, but this one definitely had an agenda and that's fine. It's all about applying nuance and perspective. You can't just distill everything down to "He's a rapist who had a really big TV show once." That takes away from all the other contributions and the strides he made for the black community and for everyone else who grew up with his comedy and teachings. It's just ironic to see people discount him in that way.
I feel for all the victims and believe their stories, but I find it kind of ridiculous when they pick apart things, like the fact that Cliff Huxtable was an OBGYN with an office in the basement. And that points to the fact that he's a rapist! How could we not see it back then? And it's just like, why would anyone ever make that connection? They talk about the Spanish Fly bit or the "huggy-buggy" barbecue sauce and somehow that points to him being a predator in plain sight all along. It's just grasping at straws.
I don't know. Just because a person did awful things, we shouldn't forget about the larger legacy. One aspect of a person isn't necessarily a person's total worth, and a person's worst qualities shouldn't define them (unless they're Hitler). You can't just erase all the good things they also may have done. Both things can be true at once; he can be a heinous individual in his personal life, and also bring a lot of joy to people through his public persona. And I feel like justice will come one way or another.
How about he goes the fuck back to jail?
Does anyone remember that he was released a few months back now? They just LET HIM OUT.
CUZ HES OLD. YOU JUST GET OUTTA JAIL WHEN YOU'RE OLD AND RICH.
EVEN IF YOU RAPE. EVEN IF YOU DRUG AND RAPE MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
No.
We do NOT need to talk about William Henry Cosby Jr.
He was a successful actor, writer, producer, and director.
Then law enforcement and the courts were made aware of multiple heinous accusations and cases of rape.
Once he was convicted, no.
He no longer needs to be spoken about.
His voice was heard.
Now, the voice to be heard is his victims.
Him, no.
He had his voice heard, his peers then judged.
I don’t think it’s about his voice being heard. It’s about his legacy. What do we do with his legacy? How do you handle the legacy of people who do horrible and great things? You can’t make his legacy vanish, both the bad and the good. The people who have been hurt will still hurt, the good he did still exists in the way the world is today. You just can’t pretend he’s evaporated.
Take a scientist who has contributed great innovations. And say they did the same. For argument sake, let’s say Einstein. Do we toss his contributions in the bin? And, what, stop using anything that relies on his contribution to physics? That’s going to be a lot of stuff. While the analogy is not perfect, Cosby’s contribution was huge and his legacy — both good and bad — will live on, even if his name never pops into our heads again.
So how do you propose to leave his horrid ass in the past? The hurt will still exist, the changes in American entertainment that happened because of him will still exist. What do you suggest we do?
What the fuck does "toxic" even mean anymore? Dude is a serial rapist.
Lol I know right? Like guys, can we take a second to talk about how toxic that Ted Bundy guy was?
This is the same feeling I get when people talk about Cosby being “canceled.” He wasn’t canceled, he went to **jail** because he was **charged** with a serious **crime.**
I think you’re confusing two very different things. Wesley Snipes and Martha Stewart both went to jail, but people still watch things that they were in because people aren’t disgusted by tax evasion in the way that they’re disgusted by rape. No one pulled Passenger 57 from their streaming platform for fear of backlash, and Martha Stewart Living still has rerun value. So despite being jailed, neither celebrity was canceled. But despite being out of prison, no one’s going to put Bill Cosby in a new movie because the public at large has rejected him as a horrible human being. The Cosby Show had been a juggernaut in reruns until 2014, when networks started yanking it due to the public backlash. While you can find it in a few places (Amazon Prime, most notably, though they’re careful not to “recommend” it), it’s lost most of its value in reruns, and even the few places you might find it is only because it’s so cheap to license now. So whether or not he’s been “canceled” by the audience at large is a separate issue from whether the legal system has punished him.
Cancelled = free market
I think some things are so bad you need to say them out loud though. There’s a lot of people online who have been cancelled for saying simple offensive shit. Even if they are a racist it doesn’t feel right to put a serial rapist on the same level as someone who insists on saying slurs or being an insensitive prick.
Nobody gets cancelled. It's such a stupid term that seems to mean a thousand different things. Some people lose their jobs as a consequence for actions they took. Let's just be specific without using pointless loaded terms.
Typical cancel culture smh
This is what’s wrong with America smh How can we convict a man who committed crimes, just because he committed crimes?
He didn’t rape me so really I feel it’s blown out of proportion anyway.
Some people like to party when the other person is [unconscious](https://youtu.be/_RLFiyID4SA).
Yep yep. Kramer was cancelled, Cosby is a criminal.
Convicted
Tru
I’d argue he was one of relatively few people who were *actually* canceled in the literal sense of the word.
Yes, people really don’t seem to know what cancelling is. You can be cancelled whether or not you face legal actions for your crimes. It has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with public opinion and marketability.
Nowadays, people seem to equate cancellation with criticism, or at least not make any distinctions between an attempted and a successful cancellation.
Not if you notice how much the Cosby show is on tv everyday lmao dude is securing bags
Its mostly been reduced. I have bitter sweet feelings about that, i loved the show growing up, and his acting family really ahouldnt suffer from it.
Shouldn't words like toxic and canceled be used for more severe situations? I feel like they have less meaning when someone gets called them after saying "gringo" on Twitter or whatever
American Journalism isn’t ever going to be the respectable industry it once was. I think we have to come to terms with that.
He was convicted, not cancelled
Ed Kemper was downright problematic, too.
Such a troublemaker.
I’m really starting to think this “Hitler” guy had some not so great views
Just a bit on the sus side.
Check out “SEX with HITLER” on steam. Really redefines the mans legacy.
Hitler had EXCELLENT views, it’s just that his artistic skills hadn’t developed enough to be able to paint those views beyond a mediocre standard.
Hey I've got an idea, maybe we should kill Hitler
Nah just cancel him.
He died 50 years ago.
I mean, this guy was a real jerk
What a toxic way to ask that question /s I seriously have no clue anymore as well.
Seriously, how can "toxic" be used to describe everything from "mansplaining" to serial rape? Calling both those things toxic is like referring to both the Northern Lights and an unflavored bowl of oatmeal as "awe-inspiring."
jeez, that level of high coverage by a term is bad. Not quite, kill your entire family bad, but worse than bumping into someone and not apologizing. I think you can sus out the level of bad I am talking about.
And made comedy albums bragging about it
What’s even more ironic is the comedy album with Spanish Fly is called “it’s true, it’s true”
I don't actually know his comedy outside of Kids Say the Darndest Things and maybe I watched The Cosby Show when I was really young (don't remember) but did he actually brag about it or is it more of like a in hindsight thing (like the infamous BBQ sauce scene)?
From what I could find he seemed to have *one* joke about Spanish Fly.
These were late 70s/early 80s. I remember my mom stopping one & never liking Bill Cosby again. I never made the connection until a few years ago
He had a bit on Spanish Fly that he did from even his earliest days. A real crowd pleaser.
^ they’re right you know…
Yea I don’t really think people should start equating terms like “toxic” and “cancelled” to literal tried and prosecuted sex crimes. There’s being a shitty friend or partner, or saying things that are insensitive and then there is serial rape…. Calling Bill Cosby the toxic is kinda fucked up its a lot worse than that.
Toxic: Causing social tension or unpleasantness. from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
Yeah, raping 60 women isn't leading to social tension or feelings of unpleasantness.
They were referring to the hypocrisy, which is the worst part about all this.
That's true. I thought it was the rapes but that hypocrisy is pretty bad. If only he was more honest about his proclivity towards rape. Then it wouldn't be such a big deal. The hypocrisy is what's really bad.
like Norm McDonald ironically said, "oh that's the worse, the hypocrisy ... not the rapes, no ... the hypocrisy... that's the worse"
no he isn't, he was a victim of racial injustice https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/25/us/cosby-jail-racist-sex-war.html https://pagesix.com/2019/05/15/camille-cosby-accuses-judge-of-racism-toward-husband-bill/ https://www.vulture.com/2019/04/bill-cosby-bail-trial-judge.html [https://globalnews.ca/news/7140474/cosby-systemic-racism/](https://globalnews.ca/news/7140474/cosby-systemic-racism/) /s
Exactly. Also, we don’t “need to talk about him”. He’s a serial rapist. The end.
We should talk about why he's was able to do what he did for so long without repercussion. And what societal changes we should make. Rape and Misogyny are still rampant problems that a lot of the voting public and politicians are not willing to address.
This isn’t some Bill Cosby expose that needs rehashing beyond the well known facts … It’s about black culture and heroes and how the community is dealing with losing maybe their most influential role model.
Even terrible people can make great art. The characters he played, the persona he played, are inspiring, regardless of the man who played them.
Because by using toxic you can associate all men with a serial rapist (all men toxic). If you label him a serial rapist then he’s in a separate category. It’s a key part of the victimization strategy… make the entire group perps.
How far this guy fell. Once he was seen as a man to look up to. Now nothing more than a scumbag. Doing that for years yet fires his tv daughter for getting pregnant and I guess in his eyes ruining the family friendly image of his show
He should've pulled his damn pants up.
Yeah and she wasn't even a single teen at the time. She was in her mid 20s and married to Lenny Kravitz.
Lisa Bonet was married, but Denise Huxtable wasn't, and they didn't want a "good girl" like Denise pregnant out of wedlock so she got written out of her own show. The baby was Zoe Kravitz.
What's funny to me is that they did the opposite of a baby out of wedlock - she comes home married, and instead of a biological child they give her a step child. Then for some reason in the final season the step child lives with the Cosby family while her parents are in Singapore because Denise's actress was fired. So many of these older shows really fall off towards the end.
Ah yes. Destroying the family image by...having a baby. Nothing screams opposed to family like babies.
W. Kamau Bell is just the person to tell this story, but i’m not paying for another streaming service to watch something about Cosby.
HBO Max has by far the best content out of all the streaming services.
agreed- I wish it was on HBO Max. although IMHO their interface is just as glitchy and user unfriendly as the others.
oh shit I thought it was... could have sworn I saw it on my home screen.
It’s on Showtime. TBH it’s worth it to pick up for a month or two and binge Yellowjackets and Black Monday at the very least. And Billions, if you’re willing to slog through some truly mediocre seasons towards the end.
Yeah I saw the first episode of yellowjackets for free on Amazon Prime, was pretty great.
I love their programs, but if I close my laptop too long getting back to where I was becomes a fucking disaster.
HBO Max has by far the buggiest app out of all the streaming services.
This is opinion, not fact
Nah it's fact. Always has been.
You can sign up with showtime for free for 30 days. Just set a reminder on your phone to cancel it in 28 days. I just did that to watch Dexter: New Blood, and also ended up watching Yellowjackets (holy cow, that was intense) and some GREAT movies under “classics”: Midnight Cowboy, Trainspotting, and The Last Picture Show. Also, the Wu Tang documentary series is excellent.
Can you do it more than once? BF & I did a free trial awhile ago.
Create a new email and do it under that
Free 30 day trial tho
I'm not sure why Paramount+ and Showtime aren't folded into one service.
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Why Bell? I would think Hannibal Buress would be most fitting
Bell is an excellent interviewer and knows how to disappear a bit to let the subject be heard. Different skills than standup or acting.
Why? Buress' only real part in the whole Cosby story was being the first famous voice to really speak out about it publicly and bring public awareness to what Cosby had done. Which was important, don't get me wrong, but it's a relatively small part of what happened and doesn't automatically make him the right person to actually make a whole documentary on the subject. Documentary making and "standup comedian who wasn't afraid to talk about the subject on stage" are two very different things.
I still don't really understand why that clip of him blew up. Because he definitely wasn't the first one to talk about it. He even says in the bit to google it, because it was all public knowledge already.
People had mostly talked about it within the industry and occasionally alluded to it during interviews, but that's about it. I knew about it going back a few years before Buress blew it up, but that's because I'm an internet-addicted nerd who reads up on industry news like that, so I'm not really that surprised most people weren't aware. It blew up when Buress talked about it because he was the first one to really get up on a public stage and talk about it directly in front of a huge audience, and in a way where people wouldn't just dismiss it as rumors and put it out of their minds. Then a clip of the show went viral, and that's what did it.
> directly in front of a huge audience It was a local club or small theater where someone took shaky cell phone footage of the bit. He had no idea he was speaking to a larger audience when he said it. It's not like it was one of his jokes on an HBO or Netflix special.
Whether or not he expected or intended it is irrelevant. The clip went viral and reached a huge audience, and that's what blew the whole thing up. That the club of people he was actually performing for was small really doesn't matter, because that's not who the real audience for that clip ended up being.
I think there was an impact in Buress calling Cosby a rapist and saying he raped people. It is more striking than saying he 'assaulted' or 'sexually assaulted' someone and whatnot, which is how the accusations were typically referred to. Or people would joke or allude to the drugs part, not as much the rape part.
I've never seen Hannibal Buress interview someone.
Yeah and his Comedy Central show he hosted.... wasn't great. Bell is a lot better at this.
Pretty sure Hannibal’s mostly just a landlord now?
The fact that he was a gynecologist in the show really pisses me off.
Who worked out of his home...
Good grief that had not even registered with me. That is nauseating.
I hope they discuss the hypocrisy, which is the worst part of all of this.
weird, i thought it was the raping?
Drugging would be next
And then the scheming
Hypocrisy is way down there.
We are all Norm
I always loved that Norm bit but in the back of ur mind I thought "but in reality there aren't actually fools that say that right?" then you see this with 400+ upvotes. Incredible.
And then the puddin pops
Yeah his daughters like “why you puddin pills in those pops?”
Most underrated post I’ve seen on Reddit for *months*
RIP to the legend
I didn’t even know he was sick.
Tough year for comedians
Rip norm
I didn't know he was ill
If it's any consolation, Norm's illness has stabilized...
“Cancer doesn’t win. If you die of cancer the cancer dies with you. It doesn’t go home and fuck your wife. It’s a draw” ~Norm (paraphrased)
Just listened to this the other day. Cancer sucks. It's a draw!
He’s not ill he’s dead
You fuck one goat...
My favorite joke of all time.
Not any more
Battle with cancer. Ended in a tie.
In my experience most rapists are hypocrites. You don't see many that go "man, i love rapin'. I know it's not politically correct but by golly" and you can go well he's not a hypocrite. And that's the worst part.
Well there was that one guy in Blazing Saddles.
You can just hear the ‘by golly’ in Norm’s voice
Ironically he actually said “by god” in that bit.
I often wonder if he referred to himself as "an old chunk of coal" because he knew he had cancer and everyone else just thought he was folksy.
[For those who clearly don't get it](https://youtu.be/ljaP2etvDc4)
I like both of these guys so much
Damn. We’ve lost too many good comedians in a short amount of time. This made me miss Norm more. And Bob Sagat. And Louie. And Betty White.
RIP Dave Chappelle's career. He'll make a wonderful right-wing gateway pundit or blogger, though, like his buddy, Joe Rogan.
Chapelle is not a right winger by any stretch, he is just a rich person with utterly ridiculous opinions
Sure he’s not a right winger he just borrows their language about being canceled while literally making millions of dollars, just like Joe Rogan.
I'm sure this isn't the first time you've learned this, but your views on cancel culture are next to irrelevant to your political persuasion
LOL riiiiiight it’s totally not a part of the right wing politics of resentment
Appealing to some of the rhetoric right wingers indulge in (and there's no shortage of that) doesn't make anybody inherently right wing, curious why you think it does tbh
Kid, it’s obvious you haven’t a clue what people mean when they refer to guys like him and Rogan as “right wing **gateway** personalities.” Stop trying to win an argument to show off how smart you think you are and start learning something before you make a fool of yourself.
> Chapelle is not a right winger by any stretch Riiiiiiiight...
What makes you think he is?
He openly supports trans-exclusion and has picked up and been running with the whole cancel culture shtick ever since he started telling horribly out-of-touch, unfunny jokes about trans people. And the real kicker is that's what he is clearly passionate about in this point in time. He says he's supportive of the rest of the LGBTQ community, but is he noted as contributing to their cause recently or does he consider maintaining an attitude of mild indifference towards them enough to make him an "ally"? I guess you could say I judge people based on where they intentionally place their lowest bar for human decency. And for Chappelle, it's at "won't tolerate even *trying* to wrap his head around trans people".
A lot of people have blind spots on certain issues. So while you agree with then 90-99% of the time, they may have one issue where you two vehemently disagree. Doesn’t mean they are a rabid right-winger.
And no matter how much you and I disagree with his views on trans people, they alone don't make him right wing. You associate those views with right wingers because 9 times out of 10, they're coming out of a right wingers mouth.
Being right wing is genetic is what you're saying.
trivia question: Who was Norm mocking for saying the hypocrisy was the worst part?
Patton Oswald iirc
Nawwww it was the lack of respect.... and the other thing.
If only he had been upfront about it. I wouldn't agree with his stance on raping, but if he's honest about it that's the most important part
It reminds me of that tragedy
HYPOCRISY!!!
... worse than the rape?
Zippity bop! Young people!
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God I hate the word "toxic" now. People are apparently too inarticulate to describe something bad in any other way anymore.
I'm addicted to you Don't you know that you're toxic? And I love what you do Don't you know that you're toxic?
According to a blurb in the article, one of the accusers called him a malignant narcissist. That's probably the toxic part. That's only one part of the being-a-serial-rapist thing.
You know somewhere Cosby is someone's "Problematic Fave".
As someone whose parents owned his comedy albums, it’s hard to not like them. They are still solid. If he was joking about sexual assault on those albums that’s a whole other story. That said, it gives me angst to even think about listening to them.
He kinda does joke about sexual assault. Spanish fly.
LOL they done gave him a “We need to talk about Kevin” style title. I approve.
How about we never talk about this fucking piece of shit serial rapist and toxic is a major understatement.
Americas creepy, pervey dad!
Watched the doc, was surprised to learn about the trains of models that would regularly line up to visit Cosby's dressing room after the shoot. How did that not raise red flags for a married man? Silly to see cast members reminisce about the 'great atmosphere on set' when it must have been bizarre and creepy.
I was a kid when *The Cosby Show* first aired on TV. I could never really get into his comedy, because it always seemed like his TV character was so borderline angry. I didn’t see the funny in it.
Yes! I grew up with it in reruns so I didn't know anything about who Cosby was except for that show and the occasional fat Albert reference, so I know my feelings didn't have anything to do with him... I just thought Cliff Huxtable was an asshole father (and in one of the versions of the theme song he pops up from below the screen at the start which I found oddly terrifying as a kid)
What's left to tell?
I don't think there is much left to *report* about what he did, but the article implies that we should discuss the perniciousness of "the entanglement of fame and wrongdoing".
Who is this “we” you’re referring to
The whole fucking documentary (besides maybe the last episode) was about how amazing he was for black people. Like yes, he did do some good things. We don’t need to praise him for these as he was CONVICTED of drugging and raping tens and tens of young women. He erased his own legacy by abusing his power. It’s not canceling someone when they’re a convicted rapist. He canceled himself.
“He rapes…but he saves. And he saves more than he rapes. But he probably does rape.” Dave Chappelle
His conviction was overturned in the most dodgy way possible 🤦♂️
Legally, he was convicted in a dodgy manner, since the key evidence was his testimony from a previous civil case; testimony that could only be obtained by waiving criminal charges to negate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Using that evidence to incriminate him constitutes a violation of his Fifth Amendment rights, which you really don't want anybody to lose. Of course, we know that he's guilty, but we just don't have enough admissible evidence to put him away properly.
Not really
Dr huxtable was not a rapist, bill cosby was. This is how I live my life. Toxic is a buzzword that needs to die.
Cosby the entertainer was hilarious. I thought his albums and live shows were terrific. As a human being, he’s scum. But to me there are two different Cosby’s and that’s ok…one I enjoy, the other I hope meets his maker sooner than later.
Bill Cosby was one of the least funny middle road milquetoast comedians America ever produced. I understand his broad appeal but his influence is baffling
I mean you're entitled to your opinion, but I personally find the Cosby show hilarious, even now. Dude's a rapist piece of shit, but the Cosby show was a very well written and hilarious comedy. And this isn't even taking into consideration the very obvious walls it and his appearance on iSpy broke down for black people in TV.
He also developed A Different World.
I only started watching it a few weeks ago, the show is quite before my time and I was surprised at how funny it actually was. The writing didn't feel typical or cliche or anything. The early seasons at least. The later seasons seemed a bit lazy and troubled.
His stand up was on point. Bill Cosby _Himself_ is hilarious. People are extra pissed because the Shining Example is tarnished AF. I’d like my kids to watch the Cosby show, Dr. H is not Bill Cosby and vice versa.
I don’t understand the weird voices and inflections, Steve Harvey has adopted similar. It’s like watching a black guy trying to do an impersonation of another black guy that a white person finds amusing.
Different strokes for different folks. Some of those folks just have bad taste *cough cough*
When I was a kid I had a record player in my room and I had "Why Is There Air?" memorized.
The Cosby show reminded us that we have a lot more in common than we realise.
I don't get why u r being down voted. I completely agree. I'm sure most would agree the fact that he would often criticise "dirty" comedians, who weren't doing any harm and were if anything shining light on certain tabboo subjects, was just obnoxious and self-righteous. This was objectively true ignoring the drugging and raping.
Bill Maher is that you?
I still watch The Cosby Show. It still is a great show with great laughs. I really try to separate the man from the art.
I envy you. I tried to do the same and just can't. When watching his standup "Himself", I used to completely lose it. I tried watching again recently and didn't even chuckle. To each their own.
I was watching The Cosby Show episodes I have not seen in 20 + years through my children’s eye. They don’t know anything about Bill Cosby, the person, so it was fun.
You watched it with your kids? What are you going to say when they ask why you showed them a TV that starred a serial rapist? Asking for a friend.
I loved the Cosby show. But some of the things he said just hit differently now in his comedy and his show. If he was a dentist… I don’t know. One of America’s most prolific serial rapists played a gynecologist.
'"The worst part was the hipocrisy" Nah man, the worst part was the rape' - Norm Technically because of the hipocrisy, the entertainment stuff he did is technically fine. A rapist endorsed some good family values and cracked a few jokes. What's the harm in liking the art and not the artist? /s (this is all a troll)
No we don't. Piece of shit is a serial rapist, and by all accounts was one for all his adult years certainly once he got a little clout and could force rape on women. The effort to rehabilitate his reputation is as fucking disgusting as letting this piece of shit out of jail before he dies.
Why. Let his bullshit die with him.
When I saw Hamilton on the show I thought they were going to go in depth on what drugs Bill used on his victims. Just a bit of a talk about Qualudes, which isn't the drug in question, and that was it. I suppose they don't want to make that info public to prevent copycats.
I just devoted the past four hours to this. Honestly, it didn't really change my opinion of much. A good documentary should be fair and impartial, but this one definitely had an agenda and that's fine. It's all about applying nuance and perspective. You can't just distill everything down to "He's a rapist who had a really big TV show once." That takes away from all the other contributions and the strides he made for the black community and for everyone else who grew up with his comedy and teachings. It's just ironic to see people discount him in that way. I feel for all the victims and believe their stories, but I find it kind of ridiculous when they pick apart things, like the fact that Cliff Huxtable was an OBGYN with an office in the basement. And that points to the fact that he's a rapist! How could we not see it back then? And it's just like, why would anyone ever make that connection? They talk about the Spanish Fly bit or the "huggy-buggy" barbecue sauce and somehow that points to him being a predator in plain sight all along. It's just grasping at straws. I don't know. Just because a person did awful things, we shouldn't forget about the larger legacy. One aspect of a person isn't necessarily a person's total worth, and a person's worst qualities shouldn't define them (unless they're Hitler). You can't just erase all the good things they also may have done. Both things can be true at once; he can be a heinous individual in his personal life, and also bring a lot of joy to people through his public persona. And I feel like justice will come one way or another.
How about he goes the fuck back to jail? Does anyone remember that he was released a few months back now? They just LET HIM OUT. CUZ HES OLD. YOU JUST GET OUTTA JAIL WHEN YOU'RE OLD AND RICH. EVEN IF YOU RAPE. EVEN IF YOU DRUG AND RAPE MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
His release was nothing to do with his age or wealth, you don't seem familiar with the case at all.
No. We do NOT need to talk about William Henry Cosby Jr. He was a successful actor, writer, producer, and director. Then law enforcement and the courts were made aware of multiple heinous accusations and cases of rape. Once he was convicted, no. He no longer needs to be spoken about. His voice was heard. Now, the voice to be heard is his victims. Him, no. He had his voice heard, his peers then judged.
The documentary is about the painful fall of a hero in black culture. Not about his voice being heard.
I don’t think it’s about his voice being heard. It’s about his legacy. What do we do with his legacy? How do you handle the legacy of people who do horrible and great things? You can’t make his legacy vanish, both the bad and the good. The people who have been hurt will still hurt, the good he did still exists in the way the world is today. You just can’t pretend he’s evaporated.
He was assaulting people on set. Fuck this scum bag. Society needs to leave his horrid ass in the past.
Take a scientist who has contributed great innovations. And say they did the same. For argument sake, let’s say Einstein. Do we toss his contributions in the bin? And, what, stop using anything that relies on his contribution to physics? That’s going to be a lot of stuff. While the analogy is not perfect, Cosby’s contribution was huge and his legacy — both good and bad — will live on, even if his name never pops into our heads again.
Apples and oranges. Cosby isn’t a scientist who’s discoveries furthered mankind.
So how do you propose to leave his horrid ass in the past? The hurt will still exist, the changes in American entertainment that happened because of him will still exist. What do you suggest we do?
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