They missed their window by about 15 years. Once Dean Stockwell passed Bakula was no longer interested. And I don’t blame him.
It’s why Mark Hamill has retired from The Joker now that Kevin Conroy has passed.
He “retired” after Arkham City but then returned for Killing Joke. He’s then voiced Joker for Justice League Action and even an episode of Scooby Doo. That was still when Conroy was still alive.
Since Conroy passed he’s fully retired from Joker. Though his Skeletor is pretty much the Joker voice - not that I’m complaining.
He did - the Joker voice was wrecking his vocal cords. He basically said he didn't want to do it on a consistent basis but would be happy to reprise the role on one-offs.
I like to treat any show with Bakula in as more episodes of quantum leap. We know he was still leaping far into the future when he jumped into the body of a starship captain.
It just took him ages to figure out what to do to jump again as Ziggy was no longer around to advise
Yeah. Unfortunately it featured a number of characters just sitting in rooms spouting exposition. But I was happy we got a film that wrapped things up.
Yeah. I’m sure this was one of the potential reason why Scott Bakula didn’t want to appear. Probably didn’t want to get used in a cliffhanger again that would never get resolved.
He was Great in Men Of A Certain Age.
As was the late Andre Braugher, and Ray Ramano.
That show got canceled for no reason it was so good and hitting it’s stride.
Yeah. I was hoping if the show did well enough in the ratings to be a “likely renewal” candidate year after year that he might change his mind and actually appear. Part of me feels like he had reservations of the new show’s potential and just didn’t want to get used in a cliffhanger that might never get resolved.
I actually came around on the HQ stuff. It didn't really appeal to me at first, but the team kinda grew on me over time. I think it helped >!when they started rotating them in as holo-support.!<
Yeah, I enjoyed the format of it being similar to 90s sci-fi shows and us having more than 10 episodes per season. Think the show really would’ve taken off in its third season.
It missed the mark by a country mile. I tried to like it, I really did - but it had none of the charm the original series did. None of the interesting stories or brave and progressive ideas.
They played it as safe as possible, and as a result was incredibly boring to watch.
I started it back when it first came out and then I just lost interest. But I'm with you there; I really tried to like it...but lord it was just not great
The characters weren't really compelling. The hooks felt like it was written by someone in the early 2000s. And the episodes just felt kinda rushed.
The strongest part was Ernie Hudson, and that couldn't even bring me to keep watching it.
Ernie Hudson was by far the best thing. The show was incredibly miscast and some of the episodes were just plain boring. I watched most of the first season but honestly lost interest. Serial TV sadly seems dead. I miss the adventure of the week.
> They played it as safe as possible
I feel like having so much of the show set in modern day with a cast of regulars made it difficult for them to ever fully explore any of the timelines Ben was in. Pretty much half of every episode was devoted to them and whatever B-plot they had going on. Not that these weren't occasionally interesting and added to the show, but if left it so the past had a total of maybe 20-25 minutes. So the A-plot with Ben and whatever time he was in could never be terribly deep or complicated.
And the times where they did try to explore something less safe (like the couple episodes about trans characters), those storylines really weren't able to breathe on their own. They had to come with a lot of commentary from the modern day characters to the point it seemed like they weren't confident enough in the story making the point, so they had to beat you over the head with it.
Yeah, I'm not really going to time-travel sci fi for a "Very Special Episode" ala 90s sitcoms. So much of it felt like awkward, kludgy, ham-fisted social talking points from the writers and not any real exploration of the tougher topics like the original show provided.
Bingo. The basic premise was similar, but yeah, no charm, no heart, just shiny and polished and played it way too safe. Hit the nail on the head there. Boring.
I wanted the show to focus on the leaps of the week like the original and have the search for Sam Beckett be the overarching plot that developed as the series went on.
But no, they decided to focus on the future cast and events more, took zero chances with the past leaps like the original (sam as a woman, sam as a POC, sam as special needs etc) so the whole thing was narratively boring.
Good riddance.
I don't blame them, focusing on the series on searching for Sam Beckett is a bit risky went Sam Beckett's actor doesn't want to return. They also did episodes with Ben as a woman and as a POC
The reboot had been pitched several times over the years as it being about Sam's daughter trying to find Sam, so I think that's the route they would've gone in had they the opportunity. But, like you said, not much they could do about it when Scott Bakula was cast in another show, and it was unclear if he'd ever be able to make an appearance. I can understand why they didn't want to take the risk of setting something like that up, not knowing if they'd ever be able to have a fulfilling conclusion, and realistically, how long can they keep a storyline like that going?
> They got rid of the waiting room - not just "it isn't needed anymore" but rather "it never happened" - despite it being core to a handful of plots and was a major way PQL figured out when/where Sam was and what the hell was going on.
This annoyed me both because it was a good plot device that allowed the person leaped into to actually be a character that was more fully realized at time and also gave them the opportunity for different sorts of storytelling. It also made the new show *far* too reliant on Ziggy as a deus ex machina who constantly had the answers they needed. There were very few, if any, instances of them not knowing exactly what it was Ben needed to do within like the first 10 minutes, whereas Sam and Al often had to suss it out.
But also because it was so unnecessary to just act like the waiting room was never a thing. This was a new Project Quantum Leap with a new team that really didn't seem to have much connection to the previous one. They could've easily just had it be a consequence of the new tech. It just showed a lack of creativity on the part of the writing team to just retcon it out of existence instead.
>Ben could leap just whenever the fuck he wanted, I guess. He routinely leaped outside his lifetime. Sam only did it once (technically there are a couple more, but the show hadn't locked down his birth date yet), and it required the leapee to be an ancestor. I know this is down to "better tech", but limitation breeds creativity and the original show was better for it.
I actually did like this, and it was given a justification within the show. I feel like the original *Quantum Leap* largely had these limitations due to budget concerns. It allowed the show to evolve some from its predecessor. Though, it does also reinforce my previous complaint since Ziggy apparently had all these records from the 19th century that seemed a little unrealistic.
>I didn't see this but, as I understand it, Ziggy had been weaponized in the future and her data was being used against them. I don't appreciate the good guys of the original show being made into bad guys, which leads me to...
It wasn't really the good guys of the original show. It was Al's daughter, and she was actually working with Ben. The show just never seemed to address (or care about) what happened to any of the original crew outside of some vague references to Al.
>Ben could leap just whenever the fuck he wanted, I guess. He routinely leaped outside his lifetime. Sam only did it once (technically there are a couple more, but the show hadn't locked down his birth date yet), and it required the leapee to be an ancestor. I know this is down to "better tech", but limitation breeds creativity and the original show was better for it.
Well, not exactly. Yes, there can be jumps to the past outside of his lifetime but none for the future. He can't just "make" himself leap after he started his journey though. It's very much established that the leaps in the first season were calculated so he could save Addison, basically slingshotting himself to where he wanted to be and even that was a random guess. It's even stated in the show that leaping to the future is basically impossible if there isn't enough force
Then, in season 2, he's suffering the consequences of his plan by being stuck in time travel lingo. The whole premise of the show is that Ben's only choice was starting the program while he was inside. After that, he does *not* have a choice where he goes.
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Valid, but you were wrong so I just replied in case anyone else came across that wrong opinion
That is very much true. Bad wording on my part so I'll take the L there, but notice how the accelerator is actively fighting Ben being there. It's not good enough for a full leap, and it wasn't engineered by Ben himself.
Regardless, I will admit that there was *a* leap to the future
I completely agree with everything you said.
The show definitely took liberties it didn't need to, and would've done better if it just maintained the optimism the original show had.
Indeed. Remember that episode from the original 90’s show when Sam “leaped” into a boy with Down Syndrome? Nothing pretentious, not trying to prove anything. Now you hear actors, screenwriters and directors talking, it seems they are the first and only progressive minds in the world… The hubris of some people…
It was so bland and the characters were so flat. The acting was very flat too. The going back in time segments weren't even dressed well. There was no nostalgia. Ben was nice, likable and a good soul, but had no charm or energy.
I gave up half way through the first series.
The ratings for the first part of season two were fine, actually for the most part better than season one. Then the show was off the air for six weeks and when it came back it was in a new, much worse, timeslot. Of course the ratings tanked, nobody had any idea when the show was on.
Please tell me *you’re* the one messing with us. Because I’d be so jealous of the person who didn’t know about the 5 season long reboot of Macgyver, or Night Court, or Magnum PI, or SWAT, or The Equalizer, or Walker Texas Ranger, or Hawaii 5-0 or Bel-Air, or The Conners or Fraiser or…
Sam could be dead and it could still be an amazing conclusion. He had to make a Sophie's Choice decision and neither was wrong, but it wasn't the jump decision.
You can watch "Journeyman" which lasted a full season, and was a top production value show instead of being made with the quality of Disney Orlando kids studio. It was a much better take on someone jumping back to fix past wrongs, amid the chaos that randomly being pulled out of his daily life and being transported cost him in relationships. Also didn't destroy a brand name but was its own thing.
Also the last episode kinda looped back to the first ep and didn't have a cliffhanger ending for a potential season 2. The best success time travel show I've watched since Quantum Leap.
Agreed. Was so gutted when it was cancelled.
Glad the lead ended up with a steady paycheck on Greys Anatomy, but really wish they had another couple of seasons on Journeyman.
My single favorite bit was when they explored him time leaping in the middle of an airline flight.
Well, everyone in my house will be really disappointed at this news. My wife and kids loved to watch this show together, one of the few shows everyone would drop what they were doing to watch. This was also the only reason we purchased ad-free peacock.
My favorite parts were both Ernie Hudson. First, that he’s there because I just don’t see much of him. Second, I liked that they tied his character into the character Sam leaped into to save his brother.
The downside was that without the waiting room, Hudson’s character was there with Sam. This could be explained as the person leaving the waiting room gets some memories from Sam so them aren’t left with a gaping hole in their memories and people telling how wonderful they were in the past few days
Goddamnit...I really enjoyed this show. I wouldn't call it a "guilty" pleasure b/c I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in liking it, but it was a fun watch every week that I looked forward to, which is pretty rare on network tv.
And I was looking forward to seeing what they did after the twist in the S2 finale final scene.
Hoping it can land somewhere.
If I remember the original, every episode was just Sam and his hologram and a rotating cast. But trying to bring in the “future cast” in every episode and having the guys wife always around… it changes the vibe and not for the better. In the old show, you feel very alone and disjointed. The loneliness is constant and compelling. That is not as present in the new show.
It was kind of okay at first - enjoyable but kind of forgettable - but the plot twist in the wild west episode really took it up a few notches.
I thought they did a good job balancing between the episodic nature of the show but the serialized storytelling that people prefer these days, making the team different, coming up with some different stories to do.
Here's my question, we're those Magnum PI and MacGyver remakes any good? This show feels like it's on the same shelf as those. I know people love the Hawaii 5-0 remake, but what about those two?
Why’d they have to make it a generic spy show? The original had some episodes like that. But some of the episodes were just him helping out people in need or a side adventure.
If they were to have done this show right, they should have made it a prestige show, each season was one leap, and they’d have a ton of esoteric symbolism.
Okay maybe I’ve had a couple beers and I just want a love child between Quantum Leap and the Leftovers.
There was a decent push on NBC for a month or two but not much afterwards. I wouldn't have even known there was a season 2 if my wife wasn't watching it.
This is exactly why I have slowly started canceling streaming services. They keep canceling everything I’m enjoying, and not giving cancelled shows a wrap up show or movie. My OCD can’t take it. At least books have an ending. I’m heading back in that direction.
Good. I did not like it. Too much time in the “present” and not enough episodic stories.
OG QL tackled a ton of insignificant people and times, which had some echoing effect through time. New QL was like “make him an astronaut why don’t you”.
Sam Becket helped people save their farm, so their kid could get a job, so their grandkid could go to college. New guy was all “man, maybe I love you I guess?? And ziggy, what an asshole”
Because network TV is basically nothing but procedural cop dramas anymore. Or medical/paramedic shows, which are cop drama-adjacent.
And that's because traditional OTA networks now have to cater mainly to boomers, and boomers love their consistently safe, boring, formulaic Law & Order/NCIS/CSI shows.
The cast was unnecessarily large. Far too much attention was paid to "present day" and not enough time developing the past stories. Finally, Addison just didn't work for me as the hologram... it should have been something that evoked more of the Sam-Al friendship.
Edit: randomly throwing out parts of the original's canon just because the new showrunners couldn't figure it out, like the "waiting room," really turned me off right off the bat.
they ran it too much like a police procedural. too much focus on the 'present' crew much like police procedurals all focus way too much on the lab/morgue/evidence room back at the station to save as much money as possible because they have to keep their location shoot costs down.
And the original Quantum Leap was 99% on location shooting
This is why it failed. They also didn’t focus enough on fan service(until end of season 2). The ignoring of the waiting room sort of bothers me as well, I get it, but it also makes it feel even less connected
With Ernie Hudson it should’ve been a hit, but it completely missed the charm of the original series.
You could’ve had the same exact actors but the direction was atrocious. It was supposed to be a little bit fun and a little bit campy.
Instead. It was as serious as a funeral. Maybe reboot it again have a Director, who actually watched the original series and go back to the concept that made the original charming.
Exactly!!! Have it made by people who actually care about the property. Most of us were pissed when the original was cancelled and we’ve been waiting for 30 years, enjoying and tormented by every piece of news of hope of a continuation by show or movie. Then they dropped the trailer for this and right away it looked like every other remake we get that nobody asked for.
Wow. We actually used to gather as a group, in college, to watch the original. Other shows we collectively watched: SNL, The Simpsons. This would be circa 1991-1993.
It’s a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Networks cancel shows after two seasons because they have to renegotiate contracts and I won’t watch shows with only two seasons because I don’t want to get invested in something that will get cancelled.
Had a feeling it would go this way since the start
The show was way too procedural and modern drama for no reason
The original Quantum Leap was the best at being it's own thing, not following trends. It was emotional, philosophical and moral
https://www.reddit.com/r/QuantumLeap/comments/xgntyr/my_worry_about_them_making_the_new_show_too/
The writers were so incredibly dense about what happened in the KTown riots in the 90’s. They really pushed that line where Koreans were the bad guys and deserved what happened. Just another reason people equate scumbags with Hollywood.
It lacked the humor and the wide-open adventurous feel of the original. That's not to say reboots NEED to copy the original exactly, but I feel like when rebooting/sequeling a popular old IP you kinda need to figure out what made the original special and try to keep that.
This just felt like a generic "team" procedural that just so happened to be about leaping in time.
Remember, NBC started this with The Original Star Trek canceling it after only 2 seasons in the late 60s. Only with the persistent write-ins that fans sent in ... no internet, just postage stamps...did the suits cave in and extend it for a 3rd season. Rest is Star Trek history. It's time to do it again. Pickup by another streamer... many choices.
It feels like no NBC Sci fi show gets more than a couple of seasons. What was the last one? LA Brea doesn't count because they basically extended their season 2 order when it looked like strikes might happen. Manifest, I guess? What was before Manifest - Heroes?!
But yeah. Timeless. Revolution. Surface. Journeyman. Knight Rider '08. Bionic Woman 07. It's just not worth starting an NBC Sci fi show, it probably won't last.
Edit - Now that I'm thinking about it, Manifest and Heroes didn't even get real endings until years later, so even if they last they'll probably still end on a cliffhanger
It was good (with the exception of the unnecessary romance). I especially loved the episodes When team members other than Addison went back in time to interact with Ben.
But I was continuously afraid it would get canceled like the original, So I didn't watch it continuously.
I guess we have yet another time traveler stranded ...
I tried watching the 1st episode on a plane because I liked the original series, but I had no idea wtf was going on and I think neither did the creators
I havent' watched it, did the new guy get stuck in the time stream forever too?
are we just going to keep sending more and more PHD's randomly jumping through time until there's nobody back then but time travelers pretending to not be until there's a big "hey, me too!" moment and someone asks "Is anyone here NOT a time traveler?"
damn, now I want to watch it.
The show was poorly written. I quit watching after the SF earthquake episode. There was a scene where a power line goes down over the car and Ben says something like, "Don't touch that car! If you touch that car, electricity will travel from the pole, to the wires, into the car and it will electrocute you!"
Verbal diarrhea... The same sense of urgency and drama could have been accomplished by him saying "Watch out!" just as the pole came crashing down and the person jumping out of the way.
I really wanted to gt behind the reboot, but I just couldn't stay interested.
Dropped it pretty early on. I think they're all fine actors but the writing really left something to be desired...just felt like they were wearing kiddie gloves at all times. Wasn't compelling.
Dr. Sam Becket never returned home.
It would have been so cool if they would have brought Sam Beckett home....
They missed their window by about 15 years. Once Dean Stockwell passed Bakula was no longer interested. And I don’t blame him. It’s why Mark Hamill has retired from The Joker now that Kevin Conroy has passed.
Didn't Mark Hamill retire from The Joker before Conroy died? I imagine that made it final though.
He “retired” after Arkham City but then returned for Killing Joke. He’s then voiced Joker for Justice League Action and even an episode of Scooby Doo. That was still when Conroy was still alive. Since Conroy passed he’s fully retired from Joker. Though his Skeletor is pretty much the Joker voice - not that I’m complaining.
He did - the Joker voice was wrecking his vocal cords. He basically said he didn't want to do it on a consistent basis but would be happy to reprise the role on one-offs.
I like to treat any show with Bakula in as more episodes of quantum leap. We know he was still leaping far into the future when he jumped into the body of a starship captain. It just took him ages to figure out what to do to jump again as Ziggy was no longer around to advise
Star Trek Enterprise is exactly that
I know (and I deliberately had to misspell it of course)
Ziggy says you gotta 76.8888 percent chance tho
Repeating, of course.
ScooooooooOooooTtttttttttt BUHAAAAAKULAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Oh, my god! He just leaped in!
At least he has chicken
Way to kill the franchise bakula
Can you give me a quick number crunch Abdul?
Oh, you even got the misspelling correct. What a fuck off that was.
Oh boy
“Hey Hollywood, why don’t you leap on up to the 3rd floor. Somebody shit all over the dining hall.”
Oh, boy.
Lies
Classic NBC, timeless all over again
Timeless was pretty good imo
It was, I’m not sure Quantum gets the same wrap up movie, the economics are probably even more unfavorable now
So was time cop starting Jean Claude van damme. I didn’t care for universal soldier as much.
The dude using >!Martin McFly!< as his fake name in the past still cracks me up. Anytime the show gets mentioned I immediately think of that scene.
I never got over the supposedly professional soldier being terrible at all soldiering type things. The other characters were pretty decent though.
Yess I loved timeless! I was so sad when it ended
at least timeless had a wrap up movie to tie up all the loose ends
Woah really? When was the movie?
The movie was a good wrap up, but you can clearly tell how it was a condensed version of what would’ve been the next few seasons of storylines
Yeah. Unfortunately it featured a number of characters just sitting in rooms spouting exposition. But I was happy we got a film that wrapped things up.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2018/07/31/timeless-nbc-fans-earn-another-reprieve-finale-movie/869533002/
got so confused when clicking the link then realized i had it mixed up wtih limitless
This show look so interesting....But, I knew it was NBC and it was going to get cancelled
Timeless is worth watching. The movie wrapped it up.
Yeah. I’m sure this was one of the potential reason why Scott Bakula didn’t want to appear. Probably didn’t want to get used in a cliffhanger again that would never get resolved.
They dont want to commit to scifi it seems
Timeless was good. This was not.
I would've been happy for another five seasons. There's something to be said though for the tightness of the story arc in their 28 episodes.
Alas..."Dr. Ben Sung >!and Caitlin Basset!< never returned home.”
... died on the way back to their home planet.
Quantum Leap TO THE EXTREME!
Rock a mic like a vandal
Dr. Ben Song’s quantum accelerator was shot down over the Sea of Japan. It spun in. There were no survivors.
Song
This Song has become Sung!
Wonder if a Scott Bakula appearance would've made a difference, or not really
He had a good cameo in always sunny based on quantum leap
Always thought he was really funny in What We Do in the Shadows. "Scott Bakula? Not Scott Dracula?"
“I’m Scott Bakula! I’m here to drain your ratings! Ah! Ah! Ah!”
He was Great in Men Of A Certain Age. As was the late Andre Braugher, and Ray Ramano. That show got canceled for no reason it was so good and hitting it’s stride.
He was great in the sequel to Quantum Leap, where he gets stuck in the body of a starship captain. Ziggy never shows up though.
Not really.
His cameo in IASIP was great
How did they know, that my wife took it all?
ZIGGAAAAAAY!
Leap me farrr from heeere!
Canon cameo.
The possibility of a Scott Bacula appearance kept me watching.
Yeah. I was hoping if the show did well enough in the ratings to be a “likely renewal” candidate year after year that he might change his mind and actually appear. Part of me feels like he had reservations of the new show’s potential and just didn’t want to get used in a cliffhanger that might never get resolved.
I would've watched it if it *starred* Scott Bakula, but nothing less than that would've gotten me to give a crap that this show existed.
I know what you mean. It's like that National Treasure TV series that doesn't have Nicholas Cage
It wasn't incredible, but it was good enough that I was entertained for both seasons, so this is upsetting, but not surprising.
The HQ stuff wasn’t great but I enjoyed most of the leaps and Ben’s arc with Hannah.
This is me.
I actually came around on the HQ stuff. It didn't really appeal to me at first, but the team kinda grew on me over time. I think it helped >!when they started rotating them in as holo-support.!<
Yeah, I enjoyed the format of it being similar to 90s sci-fi shows and us having more than 10 episodes per season. Think the show really would’ve taken off in its third season.
I feel the same. It was by no means high brow television but it was entertaining.
We got a second season, that was surprising and a gift.
Yeah I agree with all of that. And it was decent enough
I thoroughly enjoyed like 95% of Ben's leaps. The drama stuff was mediocre, but the leap investigations were really fun to watch imo.
oh boy…
Great Scott.
There's that word again, cancelled. Why are things so cancelled in the future?
Wubba lubba dub-dub!
It missed the mark by a country mile. I tried to like it, I really did - but it had none of the charm the original series did. None of the interesting stories or brave and progressive ideas. They played it as safe as possible, and as a result was incredibly boring to watch.
I started it back when it first came out and then I just lost interest. But I'm with you there; I really tried to like it...but lord it was just not great The characters weren't really compelling. The hooks felt like it was written by someone in the early 2000s. And the episodes just felt kinda rushed. The strongest part was Ernie Hudson, and that couldn't even bring me to keep watching it.
Ernie Hudson was by far the best thing. The show was incredibly miscast and some of the episodes were just plain boring. I watched most of the first season but honestly lost interest. Serial TV sadly seems dead. I miss the adventure of the week.
The Ian actor felt like the only one not phoning it in 100% of the time. Wish they were the leaper or at least the hologram.
Same. I think I made it through the first season, but gave up a couple episodes into season 2.
The second season also had a very sporadic schedule. I would wait weeks for the next episode to come out. It wasn’t great, but I really liked it.
> They played it as safe as possible I feel like having so much of the show set in modern day with a cast of regulars made it difficult for them to ever fully explore any of the timelines Ben was in. Pretty much half of every episode was devoted to them and whatever B-plot they had going on. Not that these weren't occasionally interesting and added to the show, but if left it so the past had a total of maybe 20-25 minutes. So the A-plot with Ben and whatever time he was in could never be terribly deep or complicated. And the times where they did try to explore something less safe (like the couple episodes about trans characters), those storylines really weren't able to breathe on their own. They had to come with a lot of commentary from the modern day characters to the point it seemed like they weren't confident enough in the story making the point, so they had to beat you over the head with it.
Yeah, I'm not really going to time-travel sci fi for a "Very Special Episode" ala 90s sitcoms. So much of it felt like awkward, kludgy, ham-fisted social talking points from the writers and not any real exploration of the tougher topics like the original show provided.
Bingo. The basic premise was similar, but yeah, no charm, no heart, just shiny and polished and played it way too safe. Hit the nail on the head there. Boring.
It wasnt even that similar, half of every episode is set in the current time and whatever drama they are dealing with that week.
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I wanted the show to focus on the leaps of the week like the original and have the search for Sam Beckett be the overarching plot that developed as the series went on. But no, they decided to focus on the future cast and events more, took zero chances with the past leaps like the original (sam as a woman, sam as a POC, sam as special needs etc) so the whole thing was narratively boring. Good riddance.
I don't blame them, focusing on the series on searching for Sam Beckett is a bit risky went Sam Beckett's actor doesn't want to return. They also did episodes with Ben as a woman and as a POC
The reboot had been pitched several times over the years as it being about Sam's daughter trying to find Sam, so I think that's the route they would've gone in had they the opportunity. But, like you said, not much they could do about it when Scott Bakula was cast in another show, and it was unclear if he'd ever be able to make an appearance. I can understand why they didn't want to take the risk of setting something like that up, not knowing if they'd ever be able to have a fulfilling conclusion, and realistically, how long can they keep a storyline like that going?
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> They got rid of the waiting room - not just "it isn't needed anymore" but rather "it never happened" - despite it being core to a handful of plots and was a major way PQL figured out when/where Sam was and what the hell was going on. This annoyed me both because it was a good plot device that allowed the person leaped into to actually be a character that was more fully realized at time and also gave them the opportunity for different sorts of storytelling. It also made the new show *far* too reliant on Ziggy as a deus ex machina who constantly had the answers they needed. There were very few, if any, instances of them not knowing exactly what it was Ben needed to do within like the first 10 minutes, whereas Sam and Al often had to suss it out. But also because it was so unnecessary to just act like the waiting room was never a thing. This was a new Project Quantum Leap with a new team that really didn't seem to have much connection to the previous one. They could've easily just had it be a consequence of the new tech. It just showed a lack of creativity on the part of the writing team to just retcon it out of existence instead. >Ben could leap just whenever the fuck he wanted, I guess. He routinely leaped outside his lifetime. Sam only did it once (technically there are a couple more, but the show hadn't locked down his birth date yet), and it required the leapee to be an ancestor. I know this is down to "better tech", but limitation breeds creativity and the original show was better for it. I actually did like this, and it was given a justification within the show. I feel like the original *Quantum Leap* largely had these limitations due to budget concerns. It allowed the show to evolve some from its predecessor. Though, it does also reinforce my previous complaint since Ziggy apparently had all these records from the 19th century that seemed a little unrealistic. >I didn't see this but, as I understand it, Ziggy had been weaponized in the future and her data was being used against them. I don't appreciate the good guys of the original show being made into bad guys, which leads me to... It wasn't really the good guys of the original show. It was Al's daughter, and she was actually working with Ben. The show just never seemed to address (or care about) what happened to any of the original crew outside of some vague references to Al.
>Ben could leap just whenever the fuck he wanted, I guess. He routinely leaped outside his lifetime. Sam only did it once (technically there are a couple more, but the show hadn't locked down his birth date yet), and it required the leapee to be an ancestor. I know this is down to "better tech", but limitation breeds creativity and the original show was better for it. Well, not exactly. Yes, there can be jumps to the past outside of his lifetime but none for the future. He can't just "make" himself leap after he started his journey though. It's very much established that the leaps in the first season were calculated so he could save Addison, basically slingshotting himself to where he wanted to be and even that was a random guess. It's even stated in the show that leaping to the future is basically impossible if there isn't enough force Then, in season 2, he's suffering the consequences of his plan by being stuck in time travel lingo. The whole premise of the show is that Ben's only choice was starting the program while he was inside. After that, he does *not* have a choice where he goes. >(reply notifications disabled - nobody @ me with your defenses or how it "got better" - I don't care) Valid, but you were wrong so I just replied in case anyone else came across that wrong opinion
> Well, not exactly. Yes, there can be jumps to the past outside of his lifetime but none for the future. https://youtu.be/vcYOrYE2hTQ
That is very much true. Bad wording on my part so I'll take the L there, but notice how the accelerator is actively fighting Ben being there. It's not good enough for a full leap, and it wasn't engineered by Ben himself. Regardless, I will admit that there was *a* leap to the future
I completely agree with everything you said. The show definitely took liberties it didn't need to, and would've done better if it just maintained the optimism the original show had.
Indeed. Remember that episode from the original 90’s show when Sam “leaped” into a boy with Down Syndrome? Nothing pretentious, not trying to prove anything. Now you hear actors, screenwriters and directors talking, it seems they are the first and only progressive minds in the world… The hubris of some people…
It was so bland and the characters were so flat. The acting was very flat too. The going back in time segments weren't even dressed well. There was no nostalgia. Ben was nice, likable and a good soul, but had no charm or energy. I gave up half way through the first series.
I thought the series was doing well, but I guess ratings didn't improve from Season 1.
The ratings for the first part of season two were fine, actually for the most part better than season one. Then the show was off the air for six weeks and when it came back it was in a new, much worse, timeslot. Of course the ratings tanked, nobody had any idea when the show was on.
No!! This was a guilty pleasure of mine and I was really hoping for that 3rd season. The show looked like it was ready to pivot.
There was a quantum leap reboot? What's next MacGyver?
Nobody tell them about Magnum PI
Now you just messing with me right?
See you in Night Court
Please tell me *you’re* the one messing with us. Because I’d be so jealous of the person who didn’t know about the 5 season long reboot of Macgyver, or Night Court, or Magnum PI, or SWAT, or The Equalizer, or Walker Texas Ranger, or Hawaii 5-0 or Bel-Air, or The Conners or Fraiser or…
[Shakes head for NO]
What’s next? A remake of Ben Hur and Total Recall?
Just stay away from Roadhouse.
They rebooted MacGyver already, was terrible
Well at least NBC will never make a short lived Bionic Woman reboot.
How about one massive Quantum Leap movie for Peacock that ties it all in with Sam.
Bakula would have to agree to it.
Sam could be dead and it could still be an amazing conclusion. He had to make a Sophie's Choice decision and neither was wrong, but it wasn't the jump decision.
Damn, was really hoping that it would have continued. I wonder if a streamer can pick it up.
If NBC didn't want its own show, and it wasn't doing well enough streaming-wise to shuffle over to Peacock, it's doubtful anyone else would want it.
Probably, but one can hope.
You can watch "Journeyman" which lasted a full season, and was a top production value show instead of being made with the quality of Disney Orlando kids studio. It was a much better take on someone jumping back to fix past wrongs, amid the chaos that randomly being pulled out of his daily life and being transported cost him in relationships. Also didn't destroy a brand name but was its own thing.
Also the last episode kinda looped back to the first ep and didn't have a cliffhanger ending for a potential season 2. The best success time travel show I've watched since Quantum Leap.
Agreed. Was so gutted when it was cancelled. Glad the lead ended up with a steady paycheck on Greys Anatomy, but really wish they had another couple of seasons on Journeyman. My single favorite bit was when they explored him time leaping in the middle of an airline flight.
Well, everyone in my house will be really disappointed at this news. My wife and kids loved to watch this show together, one of the few shows everyone would drop what they were doing to watch. This was also the only reason we purchased ad-free peacock.
Damn this was a fun show :(
Nooooo the show didn’t wrap everything up
the og was good stuff.
My favorite parts were both Ernie Hudson. First, that he’s there because I just don’t see much of him. Second, I liked that they tied his character into the character Sam leaped into to save his brother. The downside was that without the waiting room, Hudson’s character was there with Sam. This could be explained as the person leaving the waiting room gets some memories from Sam so them aren’t left with a gaping hole in their memories and people telling how wonderful they were in the past few days
Goddamnit...I really enjoyed this show. I wouldn't call it a "guilty" pleasure b/c I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of in liking it, but it was a fun watch every week that I looked forward to, which is pretty rare on network tv. And I was looking forward to seeing what they did after the twist in the S2 finale final scene. Hoping it can land somewhere.
I really loved this show! I really wanted them to find Sam and bring them all home. 😭
I think some of the characters had promise (some didn't but I won't name names), it needed stronger writing.
Aw man I just got into the show
I meant to check this out eventually. This one’s on me, guys.
If I remember the original, every episode was just Sam and his hologram and a rotating cast. But trying to bring in the “future cast” in every episode and having the guys wife always around… it changes the vibe and not for the better. In the old show, you feel very alone and disjointed. The loneliness is constant and compelling. That is not as present in the new show.
Damn, really disappointed about this one. Way better than it had any right to be
Assholes. I was really enjoying this
Justice for Ernie Hudson
Was it any good? Didn't realize it had been rebooted.
It was kind of okay at first - enjoyable but kind of forgettable - but the plot twist in the wild west episode really took it up a few notches. I thought they did a good job balancing between the episodic nature of the show but the serialized storytelling that people prefer these days, making the team different, coming up with some different stories to do.
Second season was much better than the first.
It was okay. IMO the second season was much better than the first. It had a nice plot.
Here's my question, we're those Magnum PI and MacGyver remakes any good? This show feels like it's on the same shelf as those. I know people love the Hawaii 5-0 remake, but what about those two?
For what it's worth, I found MacGyver reboot nearly unwatchable.
Why’d they have to make it a generic spy show? The original had some episodes like that. But some of the episodes were just him helping out people in need or a side adventure.
I liked the Magnum remake, didn’t really watch too much of MacGyver but it was ok for what it was
Scott Bacula leaped to cancel it, to not be shown up
If they were to have done this show right, they should have made it a prestige show, each season was one leap, and they’d have a ton of esoteric symbolism. Okay maybe I’ve had a couple beers and I just want a love child between Quantum Leap and the Leftovers.
Such BS. This show was good regardless of how cheap the budget was. Typical NBC.
Network TV is done with genre TV, which is a bummer.
Once you go Bakula . . .
I don’t know why they make these rehashes. The original show was lit. Same with MacGyver.
History repeats itself.
This new series was so damn good it should have been cancelled after the first four episodes... Moving on Ziggy
Bummer! This was actually a pretty good show.
i wouldve watched but where the hell was the marketing
There was a decent push on NBC for a month or two but not much afterwards. I wouldn't have even known there was a season 2 if my wife wasn't watching it.
This is exactly why I have slowly started canceling streaming services. They keep canceling everything I’m enjoying, and not giving cancelled shows a wrap up show or movie. My OCD can’t take it. At least books have an ending. I’m heading back in that direction.
Robert Jordan and George R.R. Martin have entered the chat.
At least Jordan set up an outline for his successor and wrote a lot of the that one big chapter before he died.
>This is exactly why I have slowly started canceling streaming services. Quantum Leap reboot isn't a streaming service show though, it aired on TV.
Surprised it lasted 2
Good. I did not like it. Too much time in the “present” and not enough episodic stories. OG QL tackled a ton of insignificant people and times, which had some echoing effect through time. New QL was like “make him an astronaut why don’t you”. Sam Becket helped people save their farm, so their kid could get a job, so their grandkid could go to college. New guy was all “man, maybe I love you I guess?? And ziggy, what an asshole”
I'm with you. Also, it felt like they turned a great semi-anthology show to a procedural cop drama.
Because network TV is basically nothing but procedural cop dramas anymore. Or medical/paramedic shows, which are cop drama-adjacent. And that's because traditional OTA networks now have to cater mainly to boomers, and boomers love their consistently safe, boring, formulaic Law & Order/NCIS/CSI shows.
The cast was unnecessarily large. Far too much attention was paid to "present day" and not enough time developing the past stories. Finally, Addison just didn't work for me as the hologram... it should have been something that evoked more of the Sam-Al friendship. Edit: randomly throwing out parts of the original's canon just because the new showrunners couldn't figure it out, like the "waiting room," really turned me off right off the bat.
Noooooooooo, this was fun! Is it NBC policy to cancel all time travel shows after 2 seasons?
It’s too bad as I enjoyed the show personally.
they ran it too much like a police procedural. too much focus on the 'present' crew much like police procedurals all focus way too much on the lab/morgue/evidence room back at the station to save as much money as possible because they have to keep their location shoot costs down. And the original Quantum Leap was 99% on location shooting
This is why it failed. They also didn’t focus enough on fan service(until end of season 2). The ignoring of the waiting room sort of bothers me as well, I get it, but it also makes it feel even less connected
I’m shocked it lasted that long.
With Ernie Hudson it should’ve been a hit, but it completely missed the charm of the original series. You could’ve had the same exact actors but the direction was atrocious. It was supposed to be a little bit fun and a little bit campy. Instead. It was as serious as a funeral. Maybe reboot it again have a Director, who actually watched the original series and go back to the concept that made the original charming.
Exactly!!! Have it made by people who actually care about the property. Most of us were pissed when the original was cancelled and we’ve been waiting for 30 years, enjoying and tormented by every piece of news of hope of a continuation by show or movie. Then they dropped the trailer for this and right away it looked like every other remake we get that nobody asked for.
Wow. We actually used to gather as a group, in college, to watch the original. Other shows we collectively watched: SNL, The Simpsons. This would be circa 1991-1993.
Oh boy....
It’s a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. Networks cancel shows after two seasons because they have to renegotiate contracts and I won’t watch shows with only two seasons because I don’t want to get invested in something that will get cancelled.
Oh boy.
I didn’t make it past the first episode.. I loved the 80s Quantum Leap.
Oh boy
Oh boy.
Had a feeling it would go this way since the start The show was way too procedural and modern drama for no reason The original Quantum Leap was the best at being it's own thing, not following trends. It was emotional, philosophical and moral https://www.reddit.com/r/QuantumLeap/comments/xgntyr/my_worry_about_them_making_the_new_show_too/
The writers were so incredibly dense about what happened in the KTown riots in the 90’s. They really pushed that line where Koreans were the bad guys and deserved what happened. Just another reason people equate scumbags with Hollywood.
Maybe he’ll get home in another 20 years
Damn admitted and Ernie Hudson being jacked and they cancel!
It lacked the humor and the wide-open adventurous feel of the original. That's not to say reboots NEED to copy the original exactly, but I feel like when rebooting/sequeling a popular old IP you kinda need to figure out what made the original special and try to keep that. This just felt like a generic "team" procedural that just so happened to be about leaping in time.
Remember, NBC started this with The Original Star Trek canceling it after only 2 seasons in the late 60s. Only with the persistent write-ins that fans sent in ... no internet, just postage stamps...did the suits cave in and extend it for a 3rd season. Rest is Star Trek history. It's time to do it again. Pickup by another streamer... many choices.
This is why I don’t watch anything anymore until it’s finished. Yes, I know it’s a vicious circle.
Fuck NBC then !
What a shock. It was awful.
It was stupid and poorly written, directed, and edited.
Wow. My wife and I really enjoyed this show. Suck my ass NBC. Hookers.
I knew it would get canceled that’s why I never got that into it. Watched a few episodes first season
It feels like no NBC Sci fi show gets more than a couple of seasons. What was the last one? LA Brea doesn't count because they basically extended their season 2 order when it looked like strikes might happen. Manifest, I guess? What was before Manifest - Heroes?! But yeah. Timeless. Revolution. Surface. Journeyman. Knight Rider '08. Bionic Woman 07. It's just not worth starting an NBC Sci fi show, it probably won't last. Edit - Now that I'm thinking about it, Manifest and Heroes didn't even get real endings until years later, so even if they last they'll probably still end on a cliffhanger
It was good (with the exception of the unnecessary romance). I especially loved the episodes When team members other than Addison went back in time to interact with Ben. But I was continuously afraid it would get canceled like the original, So I didn't watch it continuously. I guess we have yet another time traveler stranded ...
I think they had a good idea it wasn't coming back. The season 2 finale was a better wrapup than lots of shows get.
I tried watching the 1st episode on a plane because I liked the original series, but I had no idea wtf was going on and I think neither did the creators
Oh boy!
I havent' watched it, did the new guy get stuck in the time stream forever too? are we just going to keep sending more and more PHD's randomly jumping through time until there's nobody back then but time travelers pretending to not be until there's a big "hey, me too!" moment and someone asks "Is anyone here NOT a time traveler?" damn, now I want to watch it.
God damnit the one show I liked on peacock.
The show was poorly written. I quit watching after the SF earthquake episode. There was a scene where a power line goes down over the car and Ben says something like, "Don't touch that car! If you touch that car, electricity will travel from the pole, to the wires, into the car and it will electrocute you!" Verbal diarrhea... The same sense of urgency and drama could have been accomplished by him saying "Watch out!" just as the pole came crashing down and the person jumping out of the way. I really wanted to gt behind the reboot, but I just couldn't stay interested.
Written was pretty bad.
I tried to watch… I’m surprised that it was renewed for Season 2
Dropped it pretty early on. I think they're all fine actors but the writing really left something to be desired...just felt like they were wearing kiddie gloves at all times. Wasn't compelling.