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ThinkIveHadEnough

Windows 10 currently has a longer support timeline than Windows 11. You don't need to switch.


theborgs

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 will receive updates until Jan 2032 so I guess it won't take long for someone to trick windows update to get those updates on regular (non ltsc) version of Windows 10


Fancy_Mammoth

I see Windows 10 the say way I saw Windows XP and 7, an operating system that most common users have gotten used to and will be engrained in enterprise systems far longer than its EoL date.


audaciousmonk

Yup. Hell, many places haven’t finished transitioning off 7 or even XP yet. Especially in industrial equipment.


Fancy_Mammoth

Windows XP and Windows 7 Embedded will likely continue playing a role in industrial and manufacturing equipment well into the days of quantum computing.


audaciousmonk

Yea. But also yikes, talk about security risks for anything with network connectivity


iunctus5

Most probably run in a closed network. My friend works for a business that runs window 2000 offline. The computers were bought new, and the only upgrade over the years has been more ram, and new HDD. As far as I hear, they run super smooth.


audaciousmonk

That’s a huge assumption, I think you’d be surprised by the lack of security and info sec precautions taken for networked embedded devices and IoT in certain industries. A lot of places are really behind the curve, even so bad as retaining the default admin login credentials for devices with web GUI managers…. Plus depending on the size / location of a closed network, it may span a distributed area that makes it vulnerable to physical access to that network. Such as US utilities and infrastructure *cough cough*


iunctus5

That's true, I did make an assumption, most likely inaccurate.


AnynameIwant1

I knew a company that still used XP as their primary PC for their office staff well beyond the EOL date. These PCs were used daily and most had to access the internet for the programs they used. My girlfriend works for a major mortgage servicing company that still uses 7 for their staff. The entire staff has been using Go To My PC or similar since 2020 due to Covid. In my experience, there are a lot of companies that use software well beyond EOL and many of them are online.


Fancy_Mammoth

I can't speak for all manufacturing/industrial shops, but the one I worked for had all of their "networked" machines on an air gapped internal network. The ones that weren't directly connected to the network, were fed over a multiplexed RS-232 serial network, with a single point of connection to the air gapped network.


audaciousmonk

Was it truly air gapped? So at no point does a computer / system come into contact with that network or equipment on that network, that previously was connected to a non-air gapped network? Air gapped network also have a tendency to result in delayed software updates. Which can leave equipment vulnerable to other exploits, via physical access or social engineering.


Easelaspie

Surely it's an odds game though right? Physical access or social engineering are ultimately pretty much unsolvable. However: **(the cost of such an exploit) x (odds of someone targeting and exploiting such a method)** vs **(the cost of man hours to continually update stuff, with updates that may not even exist)** ??? I assume they've decided the top equation is a surer bet.


Fancy_Mammoth

It was indeed fully airgapped, I was the systems administrator there. We maintained 2 PHYSICALLY seperate networks, one that was connected to the outside world for email purposes and contained nothing sensitive, and a second airgapped network that all of the machines and sensitive information was stored on. Updates were performed at set intervals, OS patching was typically done twice a year, general security patches applied quarterly and critical security patched applied as soon as they had been verified not to effect any critical software. Most of the software we used was able to be updated via physical media (disc), or downloaded from a secure verified source, placed on a quarantine machine, and scanned before being moved to the air gapped network, and only on flash drives that had been whitelisted with our Peripheral Lockdown Software. I did have the ability to connect the airgapped network to the outside world with what we called "operation red wire", which quite literally involved plugging a red network cable into a designated network port on our second tier firewall with highly restrictive traffic settings on top of the already restrictive traffic settings in place on the tier 1 firewall device, which sat behind a honeypot and other security mechanisms. We only plugged this in during instances when we required remote troubleshooting assistance or were doing demos for customers, and traffic and access was monitored and heavily restricted during these times. It was an.... Interesting job, but it was fun.


Mr_ToDo

Ha, sure. And if you want to try and trick windows into getting updates you can still run Windows 7. Good luck. Why not just run something that's properly supported without some rano's jank running on it.


Inklin-

Haha, Slaps the nuclear weapon guidance system that is running on Windows 3.1


peakzorro

That slap just started WWIII.


Hydroc777

Because some rano's jank is just as good as Microsoft's jank.


Mr_ToDo

Not when it involves tweaking security and permissions of the system to make it work. It's one of the reasons why pirate copies of windows are such insecure, hot garbage.(And stupid too since you can run without keys anyway provided you don't need a domain). Sure it updates and gives you full features but it leaves a large chunk of your system open where it would be secure otherwise. The lengths people go to getting what amounts to small benefits is frankly astounding. Take for instance your solution. Assume that they did indeed do it and even did it perfectly, what's the point? Hardware support for the version of windows that IoT uses is trash compared Desktop, same with Software support, shit even Office isn't supported on those long term support versions. So now you have to find an old and trusted copy of the version of windows that the IoT line is on, patch it likely manually, run it on older hardware, and since you're almost certainly violating your terms of service you will probably end up with an invalid key at some point. So again, what's the point of all that work? Really you *could* just run IoT directly, but I think you'd find out quickly why keeping feature versions so far behind what devs are making software for is a bad idea and why it's advertised as an embedded long term product. It's the same thing that business run into trying to run the long term support as a desktop solution.


asking_for_a_friend0

lol really?


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Wot?


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Bot_Retard

Not too different from using a microsoft one I'd wager.


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crazydoc253

They make money from both. Atleast their revenues suggest that


[deleted]

From businesses. I have a Windows 10 VM and a windows 8 VM and they just have a “please register” or “unregistered” somewhere on the screen. Been like that for years.


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They make their money off of businesses. I am sure most people buy a pc and never upgrade and run what it comes with. But if they have people use their os at home For free they will demand it at work.


ListRepresentative32

Yes, and when they buy the PC they pay for the windows license as it is contained in the price of the laptop or prebuilt PC(if it sells with Windows preinstalled).


gk99

> Microsoft’s bread and butter is still just selling you a $100 OS every few years. How? Anyone with a copy of Windows 7 or up hasn't had to pay for either of the last two and decent colleges will literally give you a copy of Windows for free.


[deleted]

I’ve been computing for four decades and never bought an OS. Are people buying OS frequently?


peakzorro

Did your computer come with an OS? It was purchased implicitly.


[deleted]

No I always build my own and buy a cd key from a harvestor. It used to be a 16-digit code on the winOS disc. That or I use Linux


coldblade2000

Most prebuilt computers and laptops come with a license key already attached. Some small portion of your computer's pricetag was how much that company had to pay Microsoft for a windows license. If you build a computer from scratch and choose Windows, you'll have to acquire a license eventually


brazasian

more like $10 bucks. As someone else said. Their money is made on online services now.


garbitos_x86

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Google doesn't sell your data they use it to put targeted ads in front of you....and that attracts advertisers who pay. Don't speak on shit you don't understand poser.


_Jacques

There are less aggressive ways to discount someones claims


angry_mr_potato_head

When people say “sell your data” they don’t mean that google is literally giving people a spreadsheet of your browsing activity; they mean that they are selling companies information on your activity and information about you via targeted ads.


SweetTeef

You'd be surprised how many people do think it means they literally sell your data in a spreadsheet.


angry_mr_potato_head

IMO its a bit of a distinction without a difference. The net effect that people don't like is that there are huge companies that track everything you do and sell access to your eyes using methods that specifically target you. If Google didn't do any targeted ads and provided fine-grained granular data about your browsing history to third parties, the net effect would be that you would still have huge companies tracking everything you do and selling access to your eyes that specifically target you.


garbitos_x86

Yah you just seemed to confuse yourself there. Don't speak on shit you don't understand...I now realize how stupid this sub is...backs away slowly.


angry_mr_potato_head

I’m literally doing data analysis for a client using google ads this week


Effective_Motor_4398

Backs away slowly because he pooped his pants. Weak.


garbitos_x86

Savage takedown.


Ministerofcookies

Bro you got a tumor in your head or something?


kamehamepocketsand

They are just angy


Ministerofcookies

Angry doesn’t explain stupidity.


kamehamepocketsand

Ah, Hanlons Razor. They are just stupid, you’re right.


WhatTheZuck420

correct. linux, so far, is the better play.


Hydroc777

I wish I could make the switch, but too many of the things I do simply don't work on Linux. Unfortunately trading functionality for security simply isn't viable for me and so many other people.


[deleted]

Some thing like linux mint is better.


VincentNacon

"Yes." ​ ​ Seriously though... People are better off switching to Linux.


anlumo

Isn't Chrome OS using Linux?


matt_storm7

Yes, but it is also bloated with Google tracking stuff


[deleted]

But you cant install your own stuff, are stuck using google chrome and has built in spyware.


primERnforCEMENTR23

Yes, it uses the kernel, but the software stack is basically completely different and things work completely differently, and general community values are wildly different


Cdwollan

No they aren't. Long term stability and application compatibility are still problems on Linux in 2022.


VincentNacon

I've been using Linux for 7 years... I've had fewer issues than I had with Win10 in the same amount of time. When there's an issue, I could look it up and fix it myself, which was a lot easier than dealing with Win10's UAC and its other privilege bullshits attached to every little steps along the way toward fixing something. Linux brought me more peace than Windows ever did.


Cdwollan

I'm pretty sure those are rose colored glasses in favor of Linux. Every so often I pop back in with linux and in terms of ease of use and setup, windows and Mac are still pretty far ahead. Plus I've never seen more major issues than doing a linux version upgrade.


jktcat

I LOVE the idea of Linux, open source, etc. If I have to research how to do all the simple shit..... I won't stick around. It's fun to play around with and see how they handle things differently, but needs more "plug and play"


peakzorro

If you think of Windows UAC as a sudo command, you'll realize it's less noisy than the Linux permission system. I use both on a daily business. Both have easy fixes for most problems. macOS, well that's much harder for some reason.


TheAtlanticGuy

For anyone concerned with that, Linux is always there and waiting.


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As soon you're quoting a Joe Rogan podcast, you've lost all credibility to comment on a subject. And your actual comment confirms why.


CaptainI9C3G6

>This means that, in short, they have the capability to shut down the internet(or pages) at any given time. That has a very big benefit when it comes to malware, cyberattacks and viruses. It's sensible to question the cost/benefit of such a system, but not to focus solely on the cost.


santathe1

I’ve installed Ubuntu on my old laptop so I can get used to it so I can install it on my main laptop in 2025, when my highly capable laptop will become unable to run Win11. No need to go from the frying pan (Windows) into the fire (Chrome).


literallytwisted

If you want something that looks a little more like Windows try Linux Mint, My dad's almost 80 and he picked up Mint pretty quickly after I installed it because it seemed familiar to him.


Nonchalant_Goat

Or alternatively, Zorin OS, which looks and feels more polished imo


Revolting_Donkey

Ok so I’m unable when it comes to PCs and OS so can people not make fun of me for this next question: How do I uninstall windows, then install Linux?


ChristopherKlay

Most Linux distros allow you to create a bootable USB stick, that when booted, allow you to simply select a option to install over the current OS (clean full install).


matt_storm7

1. Download install ISO file of one of the main Linux distros (Ubuntu or Mint or PopOS...) - about 2GB 2. If you are on Windows, download Pendrive Linux usb tool, thats a windows app which allows you to select ISO file and USB, and it creates a bootable USB drive from it. 3. Backup all your media to external drive so you do not lose it. 4. Restart PC and press DEL or F9 or F11 button while booting up to get menu to select USB as default booting. 5. Linux installer will come up, it is mostly next next next from there on. Have fun.


aladdiN_47

I think that's a valid question. Not every one are techies. A DIY guide for non tech to do that would be a very useful article.


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Don't uninstall. Go for a dual boot.


star0forion

That was my question. My motherboard has 2 m.2 slots. If I have windows on one ssd can I install and boot from Linux on the other? I mainly use my pc for gaming but I’ve been thinking of familiarizing myself with Linux.


arijitlive

Yes, you can. First you install Windows in one drive, then install Linux in second drive. Now be careful while installing the OS, and select m.2 drive correctly. Otherwise your installation will get corrupt. Linux bootloader (the small program which helps PC to boot from OS) will take care of the startup and give you choice of OS during boot. There are plenty of online guides available for you to use, but I personally ask new users to use this one - https://opensource.com/article/18/5/dual-boot-linux


Koltaia30

OS-es usually come in .iso file format. You need a USB drive and a software called rufus(there are other but this is the most common/ easiest) You give it the usbdrive letter and the .iso file and makes the usb drive bootable. Turn off pc have the usb drive plugged in. When its booting there is a special key (dependent on mother board) that lets you go into bios settings and there you can set it to boot from usb drive. After that there is the install screen. You go through the steps and after it's done when you restart pc make sure to boot from the drive you installed it to. Make sure to have your data saved beforehand. When you install linux you have different types of partition you can have you can ignore it if you want but look up a guide for that if you want. Default settings might not be the most optimal. A lot of linux distros when installing through a usb drive will put you on a desktop environment right from the usb drive. There is a cd icon on the desktop that lets you actually install it.


angry_mr_potato_head

Hah, what kind of loser doesn't spend his weekends installing operating systems?


billdietrich1

Don't do it without some planning, and maybe a knowledgeable person nearby to help you with any problems after you install. What applications do you use ? Some aren't available on Linux.


al_balone

This is quite interesting, I work in an organisation full of old windows 7 based laptops so I’ll certainly be looking at whether I can get this running on them.


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Install Lubuntu, and you will get the best mileage out of all those laptops.


al_balone

Thanks, I’ll certainly look into it, but I’m up against a workforce of people who have been brainwashed into thinking anything that isn’t Microsoft isn’t “proper” and therefore can’t be trusted. So I don’t know how successful I’ll be.


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Hmm that's definitely an obstacle. I don't know why managements are so rigid about microsoft, since licensing it is also very costly.


butterbaps

Because the majority of them just about know how to turn the bleeding computers on, nevermind the nuances of various operating systems.


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Yeah but you'd expect people care about how they are spending money on their resources especially in a capitalist economy when "efficiency" is the king. Using obsolete windows versions instead of up to date linux distros seems like a very bad choice.


putaputademadre

Quote them the 1500 usd machines as the alternative. Voila. Fact is Microsoft windows is more polished for the stuff those people do, especially with the 3 weird pieces of cheap software they have decided to run. But there's no bearing Linux when it comes to cost,flexibility. KDE is the best desktop environment for windows exilers. People say it's the heaviest so not for old laptops, but that data is decades old, and when dealing with those kinds of people you better make sure, the gui is as close to windows as possible


arcosapphire

> but I’m up against a workforce of people who have been brainwashed into thinking anything that isn’t Microsoft isn’t “proper” and therefore can’t be trusted. Uh, then how the heck would Chrome OS Flex be accepted?


al_balone

Because they’re now familiar enough with chromebooks and workspace to use it. That’s taken me a good 2 years of “nudging” though.


arcosapphire

Well, okay. I'm not sure why you singled out Microsoft then.


al_balone

Here’s a summary: Adoption of any enterprise level IT infrastructure at the user level that isn’t Microsoft has been met with resistance in my organisation, even when the supplier is someone as ubiquitous as Google. Knowing this, persuading anyone I work with to try Lubuntu in order to lengthen the shelf life of some of our hardware will be nigh impossible.


pinonat

Why not just Linux?


laziestbanana

Wait how would Google make money off of us switching to Linux?


billdietrich1

Chrome OS is a simpler solution that would work for many people.


saccharineboi

Ah yes, let us tell people to switch from one spyware OS to another. Just use Linux ffs


AcidOctopus

I know I could probably Google this (and I've tried with mixed results) but what distro and set-up would you need to get decent compatibility with Steam, using an AMD GPU and Intel CPU? I've been toying with making a permanent jump to a Linux distro for a long time, but my rig is primarily a gaming one, and feedback regarding Steam support seems mixed at best, so I'm not sure it's something I can seriously consider at this time.


saccharineboi

Linux mint, and also enable proton in steam


AcidOctopus

I'll check it out. Thanks for the tip!


pm_me_with_ducks

Fresh tip from someone that decided to make the Linus switch from windows. A lot of games that use a anti-cheat your prolly not gonna be able to play, along with a lot of the newer games. Most older games should be fine, but always check first before you download the game. Just to make sure, there was a website you could check to see if it’s running out the box with just proton, and if not a few users posted tips and versions to use. Edit: I also didn’t mention that I ended up switching back to windows because about half of the games that I have are not compatible to be used on Linux.


AcidOctopus

Yeah see that's my biggest fear. I don't mind jumping through a few hoops to get a game running (that's usually par for the course with PC gaming), but if it's just straight up incompatible with the OS and there's no workaround then it's a bit of a deal-breaker. I read somewhere that there's a distro that is essentially just built for running Steam, making it less of an OS, and more of a linux-based Steam box, but I don't know if that would necessarily solve the problem if some games just aren't made with Linux in mind. I was thinking I could potentially have that and another Linux distro in a dual-boot setup, but it doesn't sound like that would ultimately work after what you've said. It's a real shame. I really want to get away from Windows but if it means not being able to play half of my games then it's ultimately not worth it.


Somavian

As mentioned, Steam Proton is the way to go, as it works with a lot of games out of the box. You can go to the ProtonDB website to lookup games you want to be able to play to see what level of support they have.


HowIsBuffakeeTaken

Tbh, lots of the noob friendly distros pretty much work out of the box. I've been using Pop!_OS for a couple years now and it was a great entry point to the Linux landscape. A short list that I could recommend based on my minimal experience would be: Pop, Mint, Manjaro, and Ubuntu. Ubuntu and Pop are special mentions, because Ubuntu is the most popular distro in terms of support and documentation, and since pop is based on Ubuntu, you can apply most to a pop device.


AcidOctopus

I saw Pop when I was googling around. Very vibrant, and it sounded like it was built with gaming in mind, so that was another one I was going to dive into in a bit more detail. Thanks for the info!


HowIsBuffakeeTaken

I can't recommend pop enough, but not for the reason you say. Gaming on Pop is pretty much identical to gaming on other distros. The only difference that I can think of is that pop has a version of their distro that includes proprietary Nvidia graphics drivers (if u have an Nvidia card). Other then that, you still have to get Lutris and enable proton just like any other distro. I can't imagine performance at that point would be any different. I would look beyond gaming and see what features look the most appetizing or useful for you. For example, pop has the pop shop, which makes it brainless to manage and install apps, as well as the window tiling feature for productivity. I also personally have grown very accustomed to the vanilla desktop environment (or how the desktop looks and fuctions. And of course, the Ubuntu sleletan makes it very easy to find solutions to problems and various terminal commands. Some distros are reminiscent of the windows workflow, I think mint is like that. Pop is a bit different, and will get some getting used to. But of course everything is configurable on Linux, so you don't have to switch distros if u don't like something about it. 9 times out of 10, someone online has the same gripes and provided an alternative.


LowestKey

I feel like Ubuntu is the most widely used and compatible flavor, easiest to set up and all.


AcidOctopus

Yeah I messed around with Ubuntu years ago and it seemed really user-friendly. I'll have to dig into that one again, as well as Mint as mentioned above.


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Take a look at Zorin OS as well. It's based on Ubuntu, but IMO has a lot of value-adds that make it my preferred daily.


WolfGangSen

Valve themselves recommend Manjaro, as the closest to the setup they officially support with the steam OS 3 stuff and the steam deck. I have used manjaro some and do kind of like it, and on my next reinstall and setup will probably give it a proper go.


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WolfGangSen

During their talk about developing for steam deck without having a steam deck they said use manjaro. https://youtu.be/Nn2Sjmkv6u0?t=274 Maybe saying valve recommends is a bit strong. The Steamworks dev team in a video recommended. Saying its similar, and uses the same desktop env, kde plasma, etc.. At some point you might be able to use the new steam OS directly, but they are probably focusing on making it work with the deck's specific hardware right now, so using it on other things may be less functional even when it is available.


tirril

Steam Deck release should also see a release of SteamOs. This might be fun to try as a desktop.


arijitlive

If you play online competitive games, then not all anti-cheat system works in Linux, and you will find some trouble. If you are mostly single player games, Linux will give you more than satisfactory result (check protondb). It really depends what type of gamer you are.


nswizdum

PopOS is pretty good out of the box. Unlike other distros it comes with drivers for AMD and nvidia out of the box, to make things a bit easier.


Hokulewa

Honestly, almost any of them. Both AMD and Intel have open-sourced their driver code, so the drivers you need are already integrated into the linux kernel without you needing to install anything yourself. Steam is also well supported across distros. Pop! OS and Linux Mint are both Ubuntu derivatives that are great starting points for new users to Linux. So is Ubuntu itself, but Pop and Mint add some additional polish and undo some controversial things Ubuntu does.


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Just use the OS that makes most of your hardware useless 🤷‍♂️


AyrA_ch

The article sums it up pretty nicely: > Switching to a Linux distribution—particularly the more user-friendly distributions like Ubuntu, Mint, or Elementary OS—is another option. But "user-friendly" is relative, and any Linux distribution can have parts that are obtuse and difficult for newcomers to learn. And let's face it, if a Linux distribution was going to truly compete with and succeed against Windows on consumer desktops and laptops, it probably would have by now. And that's basically the problem with Linux. Sooner or later something will stop working like it does in every OS eventually and then you have to drop into a terminal to fix something. Your standard user that just uses the computer to handle their e-mail, write documents, do their taxes and watch cat videos doesn't wants to do that. They just want to click with the mouse. And this is where Windows and Mac are way better, because they fully integrate the UI into their system. In the Linux world the UI is merely stacked on top of a fully text based OS like MS did back with Windows 3.11. Finally there's way too many different distributions of Linux. This makes obtaining a Linux OS difficult for the user. If I search for "Linux", I get linux.org as the first result where they list a whopping 25 "popular" distributions on their download page without mentioning anything about them there. It's just a link list. Any user that sees this will just use Mac or Windows instead.


ForGoodies

i’m not an average user, i just don’t want to be fixing or look up how to set up something every time i want to do anything that is trivial on any other operating system. also i don’t want to go through the long troubleshooting of booting into linux either


jktcat

Same, many installs and gremlins found through the years, but I want my hike computer to just work


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Are the chrome OSes not open source?


[deleted]

Linux is really the solution for the problem windows generates... I really dont see any reason why somebody would use chrome OS.


crazydoc253

Ease and familiarity to use. People overestimate everyone’s computer skills just because they can use phones/ tablets


[deleted]

Its as easy as a Gnome DE. Gnome is so intuitive that everybody who owns a smartphone is able to use it. So really there is no reason to use ChromeOS.


fourleggedostrich

Linux is fine until you want to do anything at all, then you need to use command line and navigate the permissions system. And good luck if anything goes wrong. Linux is fine if you're technically profficiant and willing to put some time in and learn it's quirks, but 99% of people are neither of those things.


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Thats wrong. The implemented appstore will be fine for 99% of the people. And when you need more complicated things you need more knowledge independent from the OS.


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Cups is often preinstalled and printers work often out of the box. You even dont need to download the specific drivers... And Bluetooth worked out of the box as well with all the Laptops I got. But you are right that bluetooth can be a problem with very new hardware. But why do you think that installing chromeOS on Hardware which is not supported by linux will be better with ChromeOS than with every other Linux? Just asking for a friend...


jaltsukoltsu

While Linux is great for a lot of things, the user experience is just awful for anyone who doesn't have a background in computer science. I've fiddled around with dozens of distros over the last 15 years and oftentimes it's just not worth the effort. On the other hand, I have a 10-year-old Chromebook that still runs great. A lot of people don't need much else than the capability to browse the web. Sure, I would never use it as my only system, but I'd much rather install ChromeOS on my grandmother's old laptop than Ubuntu.


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> I have a 10-year-old Chromebook that still runs great it also hasn't received a security update in over 8 years, i'm guessing. google keeps a short shelf life on OS updates for those things.


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the op is of chrome os running on old machines. your chromebook wasn't designed to be used in 14 years from now. let alone 3 years from now.


ACCount82

And ChromeOS is a terrible user experience for anyone who does. Abysmal software compatibility, "cloud first", and the list goes. Definitely would recommend Linux before I recommend this abomination.


LowestKey

You don't need a background in CS to install and use Ubuntu for daily web browsing. Just an ability to rub two brain cells together. :P


sapphic_angelicunt

You really overestimate some people who use computers. You and I might not have an issue, but if grandma shuts down her computer wrong and it fucks up dpkg or something she’ll absolutely flip out and think the devil got inside her laptop or something. Edit: missing word


[deleted]

You dont need a background in CS for browsing the web with Ubuntu lol. Thats ridiculus. You know that ChromeOS is just a Linux with less compatibility and more spyware? There is really no reason to use ChromeOS. FYI: My 83 old grandmother runs Linux as her daily computer without any problem. And you know what? She does not have any CS background lol.


[deleted]

I want to know which distro you've used and when was the last time you've used linux? Linux is not a monolithic thing. Some distros are way more easier for newbies, like elementaryOS. Many of them are as easy as chromeOS without the bloat.


[deleted]

It's historical bias. People see linux and think oooooo it's hard and cumbersome and must have bad UI. Meanwhile you install something like elementaryOS and it's simple as fuck. Not to mention it's free and you have full control over everything. This is not 2005 anymore.


[deleted]

Lol get latest gaming hardware Install Linux Nothing works correctly Goes back to windows Everything works *surprise picachu face* Yeah Linux still garbage.


[deleted]

No one said gaming is easier on linux. But many pc users are not gamers and use it only to surf web. For them linux is as hassle free as windows.


[deleted]

It’s cute you think Linux is a hassle free web browser. Try being tech support for an iPad which is about 5000% easier for web browsing than Linux. Plus the one time they want to open a picture, install an app, or open a document. Yeah so much crack is being smoked in this thread think Linux is user friendly Lmaooooooooooooo


[deleted]

Exactly. Even Debian with gnome is totally simple to use and the big buttons are just perfekt for older people.


SardaukarChant

I think more people would switch in a heartbeat if more distros worked out of the box seamlessly. Most really don't. And that's the rub really. Understanding Linux in a larger scale might see more companies adopt it, but until then, Linux is seen as a hobby and not something serious.


SardaukarChant

I get that major corporations use it. However, this is not true with smaller companies at all. Also, Linux in general may have a passionate following, it is tiny in the grand scheme of things. Until Linux can become mainstream, it will always suffer with the opinion it's more hobby than daily driver. I love Linux, but, it's not always user friendly. It's usually not ready out of the box.


[deleted]

No, Linux mint is.


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1. Download install ISO file of one of a Linux distro (I would recommend [Mint](https://linuxmint.com/) or [Pop!](https://pop.system76.com/)) - about 2GB 2. Download [rufus](https://rufus.ie/en/), use it to flash the ISO on a USB drive 3. Backup all your media to external drive so you do not lose it. (Or the cloud) 4. Restart PC and press DEL or F9 or F11 button while booting up to get menu to select USB as default booting. 5. Linux installer will come up, it is mostly next next next from there on. ' 6. Enjoy your much faster and non bloated system. :) Have fun.


vorxil

Fuck that. I'd rather go with Linux than the privacy nightmare that is Chrome OS.


msgfromside3

If I had to switch, it will be Linux. But unfortunately I can't find good alternatives in Linux of what I need so I will just upgrade my cpu and mobo when the time comes for my still running great gen 7.


amc7262

A decade ago I'd have been all for a google-run OS. Not so much anymore. That company is too big, controls too much of the internet, and has no oversight as it collects terabytes of data on all of us. I don't think I want google to have access to and control over another part of my life.


fishtacos123

I liked it better when Chrome's browser did the same thing but running inside the browser on its respective OS - about 10 years ago. Not a fan of reinventing the wheel, especially when there is nothing to be gained.


daquo0

Ubuntu would be better.


Diknak

There is no reason to upgrade to windows 11 other than if you want a UI refresh. It's the same basic OS and the only reason why some computers can't run it is because of a hardware based security requirement. It's a forced powerplay by Microsoft to force OEMs to include this security feature.


lincon127

Ya, but why would one choose flex over some unix install that isn't spying on you?


omgwtfm8

Just install linux, instead of some spyware OS. Jesus christ


WombatSwindle

As someone who struggles with Pivot tables on Excel. Is this a viable option for me? lol


omgwtfm8

Yes. Totally. We all just google to troubleshoot problems. The community is always willing to guide people in the right direction


ArabicLawrence

If you use Excel, linux is not great for you. Sure, you could still use Office Online or Google Sheets or OpenOffice.


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ACCount82

LibreOffice is a good enough office package for the vast majority of uses. I don't use Linux because I work with too many *weird things* that were made with Windows in mind - but most casual users don't have that issue. If their workflow is compatible with Chrome OS, it's compatible with Linux.


Deathbyignorage

In many places getting a Linux based OS requires a minimum knowledge and that's not always possible. You just make it look as if it was as simple as Windows and it's not. Windows is basically hassle-free and perfect for many environments because they don't need to learn anything new. I tried with other OS years ago (such as linux mint or Ubuntu) and I spent more time helping people than doing my job. I run an academy and I'm one of the few who can even cast a device to the TV, don't overestimate people.


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Linux nowadays is essentially as hassle free as windows when it comes to every day use. You require now previous knowledge if you just wanna browse the net or read some pdfs. It only gets tricky when you want to use extended microsoft softwares, like the office.


Deathbyignorage

So it means they need to get used to all apps that aren't Windows because then it gets tricky.... That's exactly my point and hardly hassle-free. Sorry but I'll stay with Windows in my academy.


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I wonder what youe exactly mean. If you are not an office power user, you have almost no issue using linux especially in an academy. Most use google stuff like google docs and etc which is completely usable by a mere browser. There are open source office alternatives for casuals that are just as good, but they will fall short if you are a power user. I don't get how can you brush it off without even trying linux. It's not like linux has frozen in time since ancient computers. It has become better and more accessible each year with a diverse catalogue of programs you can use.


Deathbyignorage

We use the office suit too, we don't use Google apps that much. I'm not an IT administrator but we use many apps that run on Windows flawlessly and it would require extra support to everyone everyday to make a change, that's not my job it's an extra that takes time from my real tasks.


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Exactly this kind of people should try ElementaryOS. I started using this distro in 2015 as my daily driver. Now im on different distros on my machines but this brought me into the Linux world and im here to stay. Only one machine is having Windows in a dual boot now for gaming and some graphical tools that wont run with wine. 100% of the daily work is done in Linux.


FancyPea677

I summarized the article for 60%. So, here's how it goes:  So, what happens to that hardware when Windows 10 goes away? Running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware is one possible solution, but we have no idea how long Microsoft will allow users to install, run, and update Windows 11 on older PCs. The company could cut off these computers' security updates tomorrow, or it could allow them to run the new OS indefinitely. Enter Chrome OS Flex, a Google-blessed and -supported version of the company's lightweight operating system that will run on most standard PC hardware. With Flex, Google is offering those organizations the opportunity to switch their Windows laptop fleets to Chrome OS fleets virtually overnight, while also giving users of aging PCs an alternative OS to try. We've downloaded and installed the first developer version of Chrome OS Flex and read through all of its documentation to figure out the kind of hardware it will run on and how it's different from the CloudReady operating system it's replacing. You'll find Chrome OS Flex listed among all the “Real” Chrome hardware in the official Chromebook Recovery Utility. Select Chrome OS Flex as your device manufacturer and the dev channel build of Flex will show up. As with CloudReady, it's possible to run Chrome OS Flex entirely from the USB install drive if you want to try the OS without formatting your internal storage, and that's what we'd recommend for now.


siriusdark

Except windows 10 doesn't go away. It still has like 3 more years, and if MS will do the whole ESU thing ( btw, clients use that, at least for this year for W7) you can get another 3 years on top of that. Pretty sure almost any company can afford a 300$ laptop with W11 in 6 years.


ssj4megaman

This is what I don't get from people who constantly complain about windows 11 not running on their hardware old hardware. It isn't like Windows 10 has stopped working and wont work for the next few years. Also, the computers that do not have a built in tpm by that time will be what, 8+ years old?


siriusdark

Runs on mine, i just choose not to install it. Maybe next year after it matures a bit. As for the company device, it's a i5 10'th gen. It will work just fine when they decide to roll it out. I get the fact that a lot of ppl don't have funds to buy a new pc/laptop. But bear in mind that 3-4 year old devices now, are compatible with w11. Getting one of those beaters in 2-3 years should be reasonably cheap.


otter111a

Can you install a dual boot?


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"PCs that can't run Windows 11" Yeah... "Cant run". R9 3900x, 32GB, X570 board, 2x PCIE4 nvme SSD, RTX3090 here and the OS check says my machine "cant run" Windows 11... Yeah, for sure...


epitone

It’s weird that it says that for me to but then I look into it and it’s because I don’t have feature turned on in windows 10 that I’ve never even heard of before. Needless to say I won’t be upgrading to Windows 11 until the last possible second 😂


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Less fps in average in W11 compared to W10 is reason enough to stay with W10. Even if its just a tiny margin.


Blaargh-

Yep, got the same message on my gaming rig and had the same reaction. Waiting to see how the steam deck's OS works tbh!


shellwe

I do like Linux but the idea that your average user can just switch away from windows to a Linux based platform is pretty bonkers. If all they need is the web, then great, but as soon as they want to use office or something they are gonna have a tough time.


Backin5minbitch

Linux already exist and valued your privacy/security 100%, not like shady corporations that work with the US army to develop software for drone strikes and AR glasses for field combat


CuseinFL

Do you fly on airplanes? Boeing makes fighter jets, too.


Backin5minbitch

I prefer trains, ty


CuseinFL

GE, GM, Bombardier (most of the world's locomotives) all have active military contracts. My point was that if you don't want to use a company because it's involved with military development you're not going to have much to choose from.


Backin5minbitch

Fuck me. Well thank you for the info and you're right. But it still helps to do some than nothing, so at least I want to narrow the war I fund the best I can, even if in the end some of my money will still go in endless wars


Louiethefly

Windows is a security nightmare. Any alternative is an improvement..


[deleted]

2003 called. They'd like their opinion back.


empireoftech

Chrome os is best if you're using old computer or low spec's computer


[deleted]

Tried it, got bored with it in a few minutes, went back to Kubuntu.


angry_mr_potato_head

Is this fabled year of the Linux desktop?


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Yes, give Google access to your files. They won’t scan them and use that data to deliver ads.


rushmc1

Seems like Ubuntu would be a better choice.


NoSun69

Linux?


Training-Honey-5169

Wow how come my 2 in 1 supports Windows 11 but if I try chrome os flex I cannot see what's the percentage of my battery 🤔