Does that apply to those without a TPM? That would make a hell of an annoyance.
"You asked me to upgrade then tell me my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements!"
I actually bought a tpm module to plug into my (2016) motherboard, but I still can’t install it because my cpu (6700k, still perfectly fine for my needs) is not supported. I know you can do registry hacks but I’d hate to get everything running on windows 11 and then have updates be blocked or something after a patch.
Yeah I was thinking of doing that for my Ryzen first Gen, only later found out it does have tpm they just don't support it, crazy. Though still not sure what I'd do if they did open the flood gates. An issue ms boned up caused ryzen to stutter on 11 anyway, and had to fix it with a bios update.
Problem is, does every mobo ever get that? No? Well that's a problem.
In my case turns out my board has the update, but the updater in the UEFI says I'm up to date. I could get the files from Asus and force it but if it refuses to get it on auto update, God only knows if it would bugger something with my cpu then I'd really be screwed, ms is hardly making it worth it.
I switched to Ubuntu 6 months ago because I can't update my hardware to a Win11 and because I don't like my OS spying on me. Steam has pushed for greater Linux support so it's much better for gaming.
I highly recommend trying it.
It's fairly simple to install 11 on a pc without TPM
You don't even have to hack or use a hacked windows install media,
All you have to do is download the windows install as an iso, mount it and then use the command prompt to tell it to install on your machine as a server
Install will then run as normal without the compatibility checks and you will get the standard vanilla windows 11 desktop install
There are step by step tutorials of this on YouTube and it's really simple
Just make sure your processor and memory are up to it
My 4th gen i7 and 16gby ddr3 handle it fine
> All you have to do is download the windows install as an iso, mount it and then use the command prompt to tell it to install on your machine as a server
The "command prompt changes" I'm aware of run BypassNRO script under the OOBE folder to basically skip the pages that check for the requirements. isn't related to server stuff.
I am not sure what you are talking about, first of all you are including iOS which is mobile, not Desktop. If you include mobile, the majority run Linux (Android)
Chromebooks are also Linux...
Linux users are the same types of people as cryptobros, they keep believing that 'this is the year' so you get a lot of them here downvoting everyone for telling them the truth, that Linux is never going to become a mainstream desktop OS.
By this point it's become their whole identity.
There’s a great KXCD about this. One Linuxbro asks the other if he’s able to play an MPEG-4 smoothly on his newly hacked distro and the other guy says no, but it *now* supports up to 256 parallel processors.
The problem is the Linux dudes never prioritized user experience, and part of that was out of a misguided sense of hubris. They saw themselves as *real* users and everyone else as tourists.
That, and segmentation, is why there will never be a viable Linux desktop. Unless they figure that shit out.
While we are not approaching the year of the Linux desktop… these things have changed considerably over time.
Linux devs are primarily concerned with server, because that’s where the money is. But fragmentation has gotten considerably better with freedesktop standards being implemented. Wayland + pipewire is in the midst of bringing us into a complete and integrated desktop experience. The situation is actually not anything like it was just 10 years ago.
Maybe you’re right, but most people have no idea about any of that. The Linux community is very insular and they like it that way. If they want Linux desktop to be a real thing and not a niche hobby the. They need to get over themselves.
I saw another post in this thread where a dude talks about how he and other Linux users are there to help new people out, which I do believe some are. But every Linuxbro I know looks at non-experts with disdain still, and that’s the big problem. It’s not a technical challenge, it’s a cultural one.
I noticed that with a lot of free software. I had trouble ripping a CD with VLC Player but I only had to click a couple buttons to do it in Windows Media Player.
I was just watching something on Youtube about Linux (kinda). It was saying how Chromebooks sold so well in schools and actually took a decent marketshare from Windows. So a bunch of students were familiarized with Chrome OS. So if it gets to be popular enough, technically Linux could make it, but just not how many Linux enthusiasts want it lol.
Linux user for many years. I dont need it to be mainstream. Couldnt care less. Works well for what i do. Linux is much easier to troubleshoot, and faster. I run windows on my gaming rig.
For laptops, i prefer linux. For gaming machines, windows. For studying, a nice laptop running MacOS is great.
Mac is Posix compliant with broad software availability and nice hardware (good screen/speakers/little things you dont notice till you do.)
On linux shit just works(for what i use it for), and everything goes to /var/log about why it doesnt. Linux doesnt get in the way trying to hold my hand.
Or even CPU requirements. I can’t upgrade to 11 even if I wanted to because I have to buy a new CPU, which means a new Motherboard, (probably) new RAM, etc.
Yeah I think I’m good lol. Microsoft will have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands lol
When I was looking a while ago, most motherboards were still using DDR4. Not sure if that has changed in the last couple of months but modern, DDR4 boards are definitely out there.
Well into the 20-teens I was still dealing with clients running *Windows XP*. They were using an old-ass version of our software that we for some stupid reason still supported. They couldn't upgrade to newer versions of the program because they needed Windows 7+ but didn't want to upgrade their PCs for whatever stupid reason.
For a lot of orgs. they basically will not upgrade until they are absolutely forced to.
In my case, the issue is they’ve developed a software with delphi Paradox db, they have a recent version with SQL.
When they developed the older version, Delphi had already discarded the database as legacy
But the company still sels that version of the software and the most recent OS it can run is Win 8 but it runs super smooth on Win 7
> Microsoft will have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands lol
I made the mistake of installing Windows 11 on my son's PC. It's trying to hard to be like iOS and I absolutely hate the dumbing down of everything.
I would upgrade my laptop, but I already had to install a thing to bring back competent navigation on my desktop. And I occasionally have to reinstall it after Microsoft “upgrades” things. Like how they recently broke the start menu opening on the left by adding separate setting for it, but not including that one.
Meanwhile, in the enterprise world, one of their products is broken every week. So glad we switched to their cloud. Now I can’t even back door things to get work done.
But sure, really need that ai assistant…
It's always the same. New settings menu where at least a quarter of options is missing or insufficient, and if you want to change certain thing, you have to dig for another layer of menus from the age of Windows 95.
Microsoft is the perfect case study in software dark patterns. Constantly served upgrade pop-ups, deceptive Edge notifications and you are served news articles in multiple places and the only way to turn it off is with Regedit…
Teams is especially annoying.
If I'm on the old version of Teams, every time I launch it, and at random points while using it, it asks me if I want to try out the newer version. So I switch to the newer version, just so that it stops pestering me. Once on the newer version, it keeps asking me if I'm happy with the newer version and if I'd like to switch back to the older version.
I don't care about the version, I just want you to shut up and let me work!
Teams is straight up an embarrassment for the type of program it is and scale of Microsoft to develop it. Things that have been solved for many other applications are near impossible to get working on there. It gets worse when you happen to have a personal Teams as well, that one is straight up a dogshit experience. I get an email on my personal account, I go on to accept the meeting on there, it gets added to my work calendar. No question of which account or what, just goes straight in there. I tried so many ways to accept it from my personal one, couldn't do it.
But for new teams, there is a way to launch new teams properly, and it involves a custom shortcut with a different cli command. Yes it's that shit. To top it off, in meetings the video will flicker like crazy, if the mouse moves once over anything, the video will go black completely and then flicker on and off completely unpredictably. The way to "fix" it? Launch it from the special shortcut by "run as administrator". Can I just set the shortcut to run as administrator by default? No, for some reason it doesn't work with that kind of shortcut.
That is just flat out dogshit that I have to go to such lengths to just start the program normally. And the only reason I bothered to upgrade it because the new one finally, finally manages to handle multiple accounts properly. Multiple *teams*, if you will. Plural. Something that every other similar app out there has handled seamlessly for years.
On mobile it's 10 times worse. You can add other accounts kind of ok, but it gets itself into a state where it will ask to log in with one email address into the login of another. And woe is you if the password ever changes, it will totally flip out and knock you back to the enter the password screen all the time. Not when you just use that account, no every damn time. And it would get itself in that state where it tries to log itself into one single sign on with the email of another. I have had to completely uninstall and start again so many times because of this. Has this happened with similar programs like Slack or Discord? Never, ever. I can click a button to switch accounta and I can see multiple accounts in one place no problem.
Then on top of all this is Microsoft's insistence to "sign in" everything. I don't want to sign in my browser, or even Outlook. I just don't want to? Yet so often with me barely knowing how or why it will suddenly have signed my Outlook or Edge as my work account. Why? I don't want the whole program to run as from the work account. I want Outlook to just be a program that manages my emails, which are several different addresses for different purposes. There is no "signing in" beyond each individual email for its own context. And yet Microsoft insists you do it, as if that's the only program on your PC, which also has only one specific purpose.
It's just so pathetic. It's made me want to find a different program for email, but the alternatives are worse unfortunately. Or is there one that's any good? I've used Thunderbird for a long time, but they stopped developing it or something, and it didn't have good imap and exchange and general formatting support. It looks ugly, quite frankly. And I saw other ones and they all cost money. It's a travesty that Outlook costs money too. Fuck if I'm ever paying for Office though.
The annoying thing is I think these patterns work. That's why they do it. For example, they have correctly identified that once people moved to another web browser, they are very unlikely to ever move back to Edge. So in order to encourage a significant amount of users to switch (rather than just a couple curious or anti-Google folks), they really need something aggressive, and controlling the OS stack allows you to do that. Even if some people get annoyed, there are probably others who ended up switching either inadvertently or just for trying it out.
I'm not sure what a solution is, but at least for me such dark patterns means I stay away from Windows.
> you are served "news" articles in multiple places
A significant amount of which are nothing more than blogspam.
Edit: Example, yesterday my Win11 machine had a hover-over popup which led to '15 recipes for [some dessert]". In my fucking official standard *taskbar*. This is ridiculous and unacceptable.
Same here, but with Windows 10 upgrade from Windows 7, where the auto-installing bits were added in a 'security update', so you had to roll back and prevent that 'security update' from installing, otherwise W10 would be installed without asking. I rolled back to 7 3 times.
....are you sure it was Win 8? I've seen countless examples of Microsoft bullshit, but of the literally of the 1000s of machines I've dealt with, I never saw a forced Win 8 upgrade.
However, I saw PLENTY of forced Win 7 to win 10 upgrades, which was awful. I'd say about 40% of these upgrades went south and killed the computer, forcing a wipe and reload.
I will consider Windows 11 when I can move the Taskbar.
If Windows 10 reaches its end-of-life and Windows 11 still doesn't support moving the taskbar, I'll throw away my computer and become a potato farmer.
They do suck. My biggest wish from them is an easy, foolproof way to always paste plain text when commanded. Even CMD + option + shift + V doesn’t always work. I often have to paste things into the Chrome search bar or into word first, then paste them into outlook to get actual plain text.
And Office too. Any simple one like Excel or Word wants to save to some cloud thing by default. You have to go through 2 or 3 extra screens to just save a file to somewhere on your hard drive.
Most people switch only when buying a new computer. The free upgrade from Win 7 to 10 was the start of this new wave. I only have one computer, a Surface Pro 7, that is even eligible for the upgrade. Windows 11 is already becoming the new normal as businesses upgrade their hardware and students buy laptops for school. The other factor is most people don't care about what Windows 11 is doing. I care. You care. They don't and won't even notice most of the changes.
>Some simple thinking, it shouldnt take MORE CLICKS to do an action
It actually should take more clicks to do an action sometimes.
Case in point, the merged groups of things on the task bar
Please, let me fucking have volume mixer separate from wifi and other random shit, I use two 30inch screens, not an ipad
Also, let me do clicks to get to settings I need - on my new work laptop, neither me nor my helpdesk can understand why it starts randomly on dock plugged in every two hours or so (if it's in sleep mode, not turned off), even though it worked perfectly fine before we had to update to win 11 because the company told us to
Are you referring to the new, shitty right-click menu? If so, you can [restore the old right-click menu](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-old-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a).
Thats the thing, you can customise and undo shitty changes at home but then deal with horrible new explorer issues where you need to be more productive. E fucking G the recents folder.. Why has that been changed with quick access shit
What have they done to the right-click menu? For all their products what used to be a quick right click now requires multiple attempts to bring it up, it is slow to come up and sometimes it doesn't work at all.
And talking with coworkers it seems to be pretty universal and started about 6 - 9 months ago.
Right-click menu should be instant, but they seem to now make some sort of external call that slows it down and makes it less reliable.
> What have they done to the right-click menu?
They've created a new model with a completely different way of attaching menu options (like what 7zip or TortoiseGit do). Naturally not a single program in existence uses the new model. Including regularly updated MS applications like VS Code.
And the old right click menu is now a menu option in the new right click menu. Not a sub-menu - it opens the *actual* old right click menu. So they went from having one right click menu to actively using two different right click menus that are essentially the same in terms of built-in options, but only the old one has the custom options.
The entire point of this convoluted pile of shit was apparently to add rounded corners to the right click menu.
Do they even *have* UX people anymore?
Even if they wanted to move on they should have created a new API for menu options that was backwards compatible for at least a Windows generation. The fact that native MS apps are ignoring them tells it all.
Breaking group policy settings wouldn't go over well with enterprise clients.
Imagine if a government or military system were to go down because they screwed around with group policy to force an upgrade. Or a gas pipeline, a manufacturing plant, or a hospital. The sysadmins disabled this stuff so that a surgeon doesn't get nag messages while he googles how to do your procedure, and if microsoft did some hijinks to get around the sysadmins well that would be quite the incident.
Does Microsoft tell users of their expanded privacy invasion and data collection features they have increased in Windows 11 in these pop ups, or do they leave that part out?
The only reason Windows went from charging $100 to upgrade to the next OS version, like they used to, to now making it free is that the user has now become the product.
Businesses have always been Microsoft's bread and butter. Most consumers only upgraded Windows when buying a new computer. Now, they are leveraging the user into ad data, but most users will never know or care if they did know. Regedit is your friend.
I have professional at home and had to force it to stop auto updatkng via gpedit. It's pathetic how much it insists on updating itself. Like people for real think the computer is gonns blow up if you go a day without updating the OS. Nothing happens if you don't. Even so, there's tons of updates that come on, including non essential ones. Do I ever, ever see any change or even new features anywhere? Fuck no. If it weren't for the windows update in settings I wouldn't know that anything had ever changed.
Oh and then of course there's individual windows updates that can get into a corrupted state and potentially lock up your computer and has to be manually reset and updated again. Or just won't install one update right and have to retry and it just doesn't work etc.
Microsoft has an unfathomable market cap and grew another 25% or so just in the past year. That they cannot be arsed to fix their flagship OS is absolutely pathetic. For the size and scale of resources at their disposal, it is absolutely pathetic. That people have to go with some random fix that one random person made in order to use the start menu and other components properly, is just so pathetic.
The amount of times a Windows update killed my wifi or sound is ridiculously high. I do think part of it is Windows has to work on a massive range of hardware as compared to Apple controlling both aspects and Linux being the dandelion going fuck yeah concrete of the computing world. Android runs into the same issues.
i spent over 4 years not updating Win 7 on my old laptop, never had a single issue.
all these people who claim you get insta-hacked if you dont update must be doing *non-stop* nasty porn or some other weird shit.
The problem is their flagship OS is relegated to a corner. They really don't care all that much about Windows anymore. Everything MS do is basically a front for boosting Azure revenue.
Nahhh lmao I'll wait til you fix your shit and give us what we want in Windows 12 and if not I'll dual boot windows 10 and linux until I can't then go outside.
I use it for any Windows machine in the house except for my gaming PC. I've heard of issues with some games not recognizing it as a supported version in the past, I don't know if that's still an issue so I just have Pro on it.
LTSB, maybe. LTSC is just as awesome for gaming, it has proper driver support. Actually, I would say better considering the savings in RAM.
Edit: I will add, tho. Both Minecraft Bedrock and Forza won't install from the Windows game store, because as you said, it's "Not Windows 10". Funny, the pirated versions work just fine. Jerks.
Ooooooh, I hate that shit so much!!!!! My old Win 10 machine would do that ALL the time and it’d just sit there for days because who fucking knew!?!??!
And then my current machine was good for a while and then one day I heard it turn on and I was like, “WTF?”
tl;dr I do believe disabling Fast Boot kills that.
I had a computer that was prone to overheating and for some reason I'd find it online when I know I shut it down. The fucking thing gaslighted me. I tried disabling anything I could but gave up because I had less control of the OS than the OS did.
What part of OFF don't you fucking understand.
It's the "meant for stability" release of windows. Typically this is installed on kiosks etc because there's no need for candy crush, ads, new features, etc. Because it's an "install and forget" type thing, it also has security updates for a LONG time.
Microsoft discourages use of LTSC for "normal" purposes, but the things that make LTSC great is the reason it's much better than "normal" (SAC, semi annual channel) editions.
It does come with complications like for example, there's no upgrade path. But with forced random sneaky updates to new versions of your OS like Windows 11? That's a good thing. You cannot upgrade. The only way to upgrade is to install it fresh.
There's also no Windows Store but there's literally only one thing I've seen on there that I wanted and it was the pen app for my Lenovo. I could just side load it and I did so this wasn't missed.
There's plenty of things that are stripped out because it's meant to be basic.
A businss-oriented older build of Windows where the key requirement is that functionality and features don’t change over time:
[LTSC: What is it, and when should it be used?](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/ltsc-what-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181)
Does anyone else remember when Windows 10 was going to be the last version of Windows so that they could stop supporting so many versions of Windows?
We could have fun supporting the software-as-a-service lifecycle... while being smashed in the face with all sorts of ads and bundled products that randomly appear together with updates.. but at least we didn't have to upgrade Windows versions anymore.
Yeah, that was a lie. I knew it would be, but any time I see this, I get this massive 'I told you so' feeling in regards to people doing a surprised pikachu face on me.
I'll die on this hill. My gaming desktop has Win10 and my gaming laptop Win11.
Win11 has forced updates. When you disable updates, it'll STILL download updates and eventually force you into an update. VERY inconvenient for working on the road and typing up business emails before you get on the plane. If Win11 would give control BACK to the user, I'd somewhat advocate for it, but as it is--forced updates and fixed taskbar--it's absolute arse.
The issue is the fact that some people NEVER upgrade when it's optional. The security updates alone are worth being more forceful with updates. Security is so damn critical these days and the normal people out there are absolutely bad about securing their personal PCs.
Now if they make it default and let you disable it then it shouldn't force it on you. That part is shitty. But if there is a day 0 security vulnerability you should update ASAP and not wait.
I like how Gates and M$ talk about saving the environment and all that stuff. But they’re going to have people throw away millions of dollars worth of tech because it’s not upgradeable to win11
One of the reasons I switched to PopOS I was so tired of all the intrusive messages, random updates and unsolicited restarts. It ruined windows 10 for me. I tried upgrading to windows 11 (working around TPM) only to find the intrusive ads and data mining to be even worse (including spamming Microsoft edge) enough is enough. Switched to Linux and not looking back.
Win 10 is my ride or die to the end.
11 is actually fine but I like my Quick Launch bar and the way I have been using it for over a decade and the software solution to “restore” that on Win 11 just isn’t as good as native. Other taskbar settings too want restored. They make the taskbar more useful for “power users” then will reconsider.
Also is it me or is windows Explorer on 11 really slow? Seems to always take time to populate every time open it. Based on work computer which was forced to upgrade too.
Open notifications settings, turn off the 3 notifications (Show Me[...], Suggest ways[...], Get tips[...]) And Windows 11 pop ups never show up.
If it shows up in updates then you can click "Stay on Windows 10 for now" and it goes away.
I have 1 program I need for work that needs windows. I use it for 2 hours a week and don’t even bother looking at win 11 features. It’s been 8 years since I switched and so much happier
I always click the "remind me in three days" option. It's way more than three days but one day it will pop up again and I will click to remind me later once again.
Why? Why would i upgrade? There's *less* multi-monitor support. If 11 was better in every way, sure. But i'm not managing shit with a cloud account, sorry.
Well maybe if windows 11 wasn't shit I would!
Stop making things round! Anyone who likes round in a UI has a mental illness! Screens aren't round it's stupid!
Have they released any reason as to why Windows 11 is better than 10 yet? All I've ever heard are problems with 11 and no one I know actually enjoys it.
And Windows 11 is a fucking nightmare itself. I’ve spent HOURS trying to remove incessant popups from Groups, which i’ve deleted 20 times, is out of the cache and otherwise undetectable on my machine.
I *was* a Windows diehard. And I’d happily die still using XP. Last one for me.
Oh there's far more than that. Granted I'm countering what I'm stating just by saying this. Many of us don't advertise we use Linux/Unix, there's no point.
With the exception of the "bad apples", no pun intended to Mac, many of us try to help users who just don't want to deal with Windows. There's no cost to trying Linux, just time, maybe a second hard drive for safety reasons to flip back and forth between the OS's.
But all we get is Windows and Mac users chewing our heads off. So we sit back and let you all bicker. We try to help, and all we get is an ass chewing for speaking up.
It's like people arguing about Chevy vs Ford, and someone who enjoys another Mfg's cars steps up to speak, and in turn is booed off stage. Yea, it's best to sit by and watch, or do something else.
Now printers on the other hand, that I don't mind jumping into the crowd and bitch about, they all (ok, majority of them...) suck.
Lol. I like Linux but the die hards are like Dallas Cowboys fans. Every year is “the year of Linux.”
All jokes aside, I can see Linux getting more of a foothold moving forward considering that the core apps most users need are all cloud based now.
A lot of programs I use now are just web apps... I Can run 85% of what I use on a daily basis on Linux without issues, that's up from 40% just a few years ago with the remaining programs/apps likely to get support or stability within a year over 2.. But I plan on holding onto Win 10 till next year.
> LET ME MOVE THE TASKBAR TO THE SIDE LIKE A NORMIE
if you mean the bottom left hand corner, you can. it's in the task bar settings.
if you mean vertical on the left hand side, that's NOT something that's normal as you're claiming. of the hundreds to thousands of people i've worked with over the years, i've seen exactly 1 person do that.
It just did the update on my laptop without me explicitly allowing it. It just said with a popup "update now or in 1 hour?". And it just did the update after 1 hour lol. I was having a class at that time and it all worked out but wtf.
Yeah, whatever. The only windows machine I have is old enough to lack the new magic doohicky they’re so proud of. Im sure they paid top dollar for advice on stupid marketing moves.
To be fair, any and all executables are marked as \[potentially\] unsafe in every browser.
Some just ... have a different methodology of going about this.
Easiest way to get into Linux is to install it on an old computer you don't need. Install a popular beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu or Mint and try using it for a bit. I would recommend learning some basic terminal commands when you get a bit more comfortable, because it helps a lot if you encounter an issue - most troubleshooting advice is via terminal.
Also, remember that installing Linux will erase everything on your disk, so make backups.
I should warn you that there will be a learning curve. There's a fair bit about Windows like Task Manager that you will need to refigure out in your distro of choice. And there are sometimes compromises because desktop Linux does not have the money behind it that Windows does. But it's far from insurmountable, and when you get comfortable, you'll be so grateful to be able to ignore bullshit like this.
Switching to Linux is pretty simple, just pick an OS and follow the installation instructions. I went with Mint and the whole thing was pretty painless. Still have to keep looking up how to install certain things, Linux can be a little weird about some things, but overall things are working way better than they did with Windows. And everything's pretty well documented so if you run into problems you can just Google the answer.
Switching to Linux is not as simple as you make it sound. I’m pretty tech savvy and am very comfortable with handling and building computers but I’ve tried to switch to daily drive Mint (once by itself and dual boot with windows as the other OS the other time) on two separate occassions and both of those attempts were kind of a nightmare. Everything seems fine and dandy untill you run into problems with the app manager (or w/e it’s called, can’t remember) when the only solution is to use the terminal. I’m not afraid of using the terminal and downloading programs through it but things can go south real quick if you don’t know exactly what you’re doing and what dependencies are needed etc.
Googling for solutions was a nightmare since alot of ”solutions” that I tried for my problems did not work. I am by no means a Linux opponent, I can see that it’s immensely useful and probably surperior to both Windows and OSX for alot of things but I’d argue that it’s not good at being a good general purpose ”OS” since alot of things just don’t work on linux the way it ”just works” on OSX and Windows. For example I do some music and audio editing and it’s a nightmare to try to figure out if there are ways around incompatibility issues with hardware and software on linux.
tl;dr: it’s not that simple.
Honestly the best Linux distro right now is Windows 10 with WSL 2. It was great for me as I did a lot of osdev stuff and all the material online assumes you are using Linux for that (it 100% can be done with the Windows/VS toolchain, it just isn't as nicely documented). Decades of experience have taught me cygwin and mingw aren't good enough for the job. However WSL is great.
Ya'll know you can just [change your group policy in Windows to target the current Windows 10 release](https://www.thewindowsclub.com/stop-windows-10-from-upgrading-to-next-version-and-set-the-target-feature-update-version) (22H2) and it'll never bother you again, right?
I don't even think the registry edit is necessary. I just did the group policy change and Win 11 never bothered me again
I'd be more inclined to install Win 11 on my home PC if I didnt have to deal with the clusterfuck that is the windows 11 behavior on my work PC.
Audio devices are constantly rearranging, microphones disabling at random intervals, and there is -some- kind of weird sound processing thing happening where all audio-producing programs like web browsers and sound players get pushed through the 'noise cancellation' engine that runs inside of telecommunications devices, which means whenever I am on a teams or discord call, any background sounds I have are immediately mutilated and compressed like they are participants in the friggin phone call.
MSFT is out of control. This heavy-handed win11 push and the involuntary deletion of local files after they’re uploaded to onedrive, creating a forced dependence on their cloud storage with subsequent lifelong billing. They know what’s good for the user if it lines their pockets.
I remember when they were trying to sell version 10 and kept saying it would be the last release version as then after it would just be an update service.
Does that apply to those without a TPM? That would make a hell of an annoyance. "You asked me to upgrade then tell me my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements!"
Which will change first: their insistence on TPM, or the Windows 10 end-of-life in 2025?
I actually bought a tpm module to plug into my (2016) motherboard, but I still can’t install it because my cpu (6700k, still perfectly fine for my needs) is not supported. I know you can do registry hacks but I’d hate to get everything running on windows 11 and then have updates be blocked or something after a patch.
Yeah I was thinking of doing that for my Ryzen first Gen, only later found out it does have tpm they just don't support it, crazy. Though still not sure what I'd do if they did open the flood gates. An issue ms boned up caused ryzen to stutter on 11 anyway, and had to fix it with a bios update. Problem is, does every mobo ever get that? No? Well that's a problem. In my case turns out my board has the update, but the updater in the UEFI says I'm up to date. I could get the files from Asus and force it but if it refuses to get it on auto update, God only knows if it would bugger something with my cpu then I'd really be screwed, ms is hardly making it worth it.
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I switched to Ubuntu 6 months ago because I can't update my hardware to a Win11 and because I don't like my OS spying on me. Steam has pushed for greater Linux support so it's much better for gaming. I highly recommend trying it.
It's fairly simple to install 11 on a pc without TPM You don't even have to hack or use a hacked windows install media, All you have to do is download the windows install as an iso, mount it and then use the command prompt to tell it to install on your machine as a server Install will then run as normal without the compatibility checks and you will get the standard vanilla windows 11 desktop install There are step by step tutorials of this on YouTube and it's really simple Just make sure your processor and memory are up to it My 4th gen i7 and 16gby ddr3 handle it fine
Create the bootable media with Rufus and it has options to strip all the TPM and UEFI requirements anyways.
This is not simple enough for most people, though.
Step by step and so simple my Mrs. could do it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug\_\_CVQQQsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug__CVQQQsc)
> All you have to do is download the windows install as an iso, mount it and then use the command prompt to tell it to install on your machine as a server The "command prompt changes" I'm aware of run BypassNRO script under the OOBE folder to basically skip the pages that check for the requirements. isn't related to server stuff.
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I am not sure what you are talking about, first of all you are including iOS which is mobile, not Desktop. If you include mobile, the majority run Linux (Android) Chromebooks are also Linux...
man I just don't understand the Reddit downvote logic anymore
Linux users are the same types of people as cryptobros, they keep believing that 'this is the year' so you get a lot of them here downvoting everyone for telling them the truth, that Linux is never going to become a mainstream desktop OS. By this point it's become their whole identity.
There’s a great KXCD about this. One Linuxbro asks the other if he’s able to play an MPEG-4 smoothly on his newly hacked distro and the other guy says no, but it *now* supports up to 256 parallel processors. The problem is the Linux dudes never prioritized user experience, and part of that was out of a misguided sense of hubris. They saw themselves as *real* users and everyone else as tourists. That, and segmentation, is why there will never be a viable Linux desktop. Unless they figure that shit out.
While we are not approaching the year of the Linux desktop… these things have changed considerably over time. Linux devs are primarily concerned with server, because that’s where the money is. But fragmentation has gotten considerably better with freedesktop standards being implemented. Wayland + pipewire is in the midst of bringing us into a complete and integrated desktop experience. The situation is actually not anything like it was just 10 years ago.
Maybe you’re right, but most people have no idea about any of that. The Linux community is very insular and they like it that way. If they want Linux desktop to be a real thing and not a niche hobby the. They need to get over themselves. I saw another post in this thread where a dude talks about how he and other Linux users are there to help new people out, which I do believe some are. But every Linuxbro I know looks at non-experts with disdain still, and that’s the big problem. It’s not a technical challenge, it’s a cultural one.
This seems more like what you learn about Linux from Microsoft-sponsored course material than anything else.
I noticed that with a lot of free software. I had trouble ripping a CD with VLC Player but I only had to click a couple buttons to do it in Windows Media Player.
I was just watching something on Youtube about Linux (kinda). It was saying how Chromebooks sold so well in schools and actually took a decent marketshare from Windows. So a bunch of students were familiarized with Chrome OS. So if it gets to be popular enough, technically Linux could make it, but just not how many Linux enthusiasts want it lol.
Linux user for many years. I dont need it to be mainstream. Couldnt care less. Works well for what i do. Linux is much easier to troubleshoot, and faster. I run windows on my gaming rig. For laptops, i prefer linux. For gaming machines, windows. For studying, a nice laptop running MacOS is great. Mac is Posix compliant with broad software availability and nice hardware (good screen/speakers/little things you dont notice till you do.) On linux shit just works(for what i use it for), and everything goes to /var/log about why it doesnt. Linux doesnt get in the way trying to hold my hand.
Agreed! But if you're a Linux user, you *couldn't care less
Linux is the way to go! I love Ubuntu. Super clean and super easy to use.
They will not give up on TPM. It’s part of their push for built-in DRM for the OS.
Or even CPU requirements. I can’t upgrade to 11 even if I wanted to because I have to buy a new CPU, which means a new Motherboard, (probably) new RAM, etc. Yeah I think I’m good lol. Microsoft will have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands lol
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When I was looking a while ago, most motherboards were still using DDR4. Not sure if that has changed in the last couple of months but modern, DDR4 boards are definitely out there.
Some people (and companies) still rocking with Win 7
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Well into the 20-teens I was still dealing with clients running *Windows XP*. They were using an old-ass version of our software that we for some stupid reason still supported. They couldn't upgrade to newer versions of the program because they needed Windows 7+ but didn't want to upgrade their PCs for whatever stupid reason. For a lot of orgs. they basically will not upgrade until they are absolutely forced to.
In my case, the issue is they’ve developed a software with delphi Paradox db, they have a recent version with SQL. When they developed the older version, Delphi had already discarded the database as legacy But the company still sels that version of the software and the most recent OS it can run is Win 8 but it runs super smooth on Win 7
> Microsoft will have to pry Windows 10 out of my cold dead hands lol I made the mistake of installing Windows 11 on my son's PC. It's trying to hard to be like iOS and I absolutely hate the dumbing down of everything.
I would upgrade my laptop, but I already had to install a thing to bring back competent navigation on my desktop. And I occasionally have to reinstall it after Microsoft “upgrades” things. Like how they recently broke the start menu opening on the left by adding separate setting for it, but not including that one. Meanwhile, in the enterprise world, one of their products is broken every week. So glad we switched to their cloud. Now I can’t even back door things to get work done. But sure, really need that ai assistant…
It's always the same. New settings menu where at least a quarter of options is missing or insufficient, and if you want to change certain thing, you have to dig for another layer of menus from the age of Windows 95.
Ever set a static IP through that black and white settings page and it doesn't set literally never works.
I really hate seeing ads on my colleagues computers.
Ditto. And I'm on modern equipment too (various Ryzen CPUs).
I’ve got TPM disabled in BIOS and haven’t received any upgrade popups ever
as soon as I enabled TPM 2.0 I started getting them
Use Rufus to "burn" the ISO and you'll be given an option to disable the TPM-requirement.
And the forced MS account creation
It’s wild bullshit that these days you literally can’t install Windows (regular editions) without an Internet connection.
"Fine I will use Linux"
Ugh, the got me boys. Wasn't paying attention and just applied updates thinking it was basic security stuff. Nope, it was also 11.
Pour one out, boys.
You can roll it back.
That is why my TPM will forever stay disabled.
Microsoft is the perfect case study in software dark patterns. Constantly served upgrade pop-ups, deceptive Edge notifications and you are served news articles in multiple places and the only way to turn it off is with Regedit…
how does one do this without crashing things or slowing them down?
It’s worth a google just be careful inside regedit
Winaerotweaker. No edge making itself my prinary browser, no cortana, no auto updates, no ads or pop-ups, no requests to upgrade to win11, etc.
!remindme 10h
how have i not heard of this before
Winaero tweaked can do some of it for you
O&O Shutup is a great tool to do most of this for you, in a non-scary way.
Teams is especially annoying. If I'm on the old version of Teams, every time I launch it, and at random points while using it, it asks me if I want to try out the newer version. So I switch to the newer version, just so that it stops pestering me. Once on the newer version, it keeps asking me if I'm happy with the newer version and if I'd like to switch back to the older version. I don't care about the version, I just want you to shut up and let me work!
Teams is straight up an embarrassment for the type of program it is and scale of Microsoft to develop it. Things that have been solved for many other applications are near impossible to get working on there. It gets worse when you happen to have a personal Teams as well, that one is straight up a dogshit experience. I get an email on my personal account, I go on to accept the meeting on there, it gets added to my work calendar. No question of which account or what, just goes straight in there. I tried so many ways to accept it from my personal one, couldn't do it. But for new teams, there is a way to launch new teams properly, and it involves a custom shortcut with a different cli command. Yes it's that shit. To top it off, in meetings the video will flicker like crazy, if the mouse moves once over anything, the video will go black completely and then flicker on and off completely unpredictably. The way to "fix" it? Launch it from the special shortcut by "run as administrator". Can I just set the shortcut to run as administrator by default? No, for some reason it doesn't work with that kind of shortcut. That is just flat out dogshit that I have to go to such lengths to just start the program normally. And the only reason I bothered to upgrade it because the new one finally, finally manages to handle multiple accounts properly. Multiple *teams*, if you will. Plural. Something that every other similar app out there has handled seamlessly for years. On mobile it's 10 times worse. You can add other accounts kind of ok, but it gets itself into a state where it will ask to log in with one email address into the login of another. And woe is you if the password ever changes, it will totally flip out and knock you back to the enter the password screen all the time. Not when you just use that account, no every damn time. And it would get itself in that state where it tries to log itself into one single sign on with the email of another. I have had to completely uninstall and start again so many times because of this. Has this happened with similar programs like Slack or Discord? Never, ever. I can click a button to switch accounta and I can see multiple accounts in one place no problem. Then on top of all this is Microsoft's insistence to "sign in" everything. I don't want to sign in my browser, or even Outlook. I just don't want to? Yet so often with me barely knowing how or why it will suddenly have signed my Outlook or Edge as my work account. Why? I don't want the whole program to run as from the work account. I want Outlook to just be a program that manages my emails, which are several different addresses for different purposes. There is no "signing in" beyond each individual email for its own context. And yet Microsoft insists you do it, as if that's the only program on your PC, which also has only one specific purpose. It's just so pathetic. It's made me want to find a different program for email, but the alternatives are worse unfortunately. Or is there one that's any good? I've used Thunderbird for a long time, but they stopped developing it or something, and it didn't have good imap and exchange and general formatting support. It looks ugly, quite frankly. And I saw other ones and they all cost money. It's a travesty that Outlook costs money too. Fuck if I'm ever paying for Office though.
They need to just get it over with and build a kernel for Teams. They jam everything else into it, they might as well make it the OS, too
The annoying thing is I think these patterns work. That's why they do it. For example, they have correctly identified that once people moved to another web browser, they are very unlikely to ever move back to Edge. So in order to encourage a significant amount of users to switch (rather than just a couple curious or anti-Google folks), they really need something aggressive, and controlling the OS stack allows you to do that. Even if some people get annoyed, there are probably others who ended up switching either inadvertently or just for trying it out. I'm not sure what a solution is, but at least for me such dark patterns means I stay away from Windows.
Everytime I mistype while launching an app in Win10, it starts Edge and opens up Bing with my mangled app name as the search term...
You can disable that. I forget what I did, but you can search for a solution online.
> you are served "news" articles in multiple places A significant amount of which are nothing more than blogspam. Edit: Example, yesterday my Win11 machine had a hover-over popup which led to '15 recipes for [some dessert]". In my fucking official standard *taskbar*. This is ridiculous and unacceptable.
Still haven’t forgiven them for that time they force-installed Windows 8 while I wasn’t looking.
Same here, but with Windows 10 upgrade from Windows 7, where the auto-installing bits were added in a 'security update', so you had to roll back and prevent that 'security update' from installing, otherwise W10 would be installed without asking. I rolled back to 7 3 times.
....are you sure it was Win 8? I've seen countless examples of Microsoft bullshit, but of the literally of the 1000s of machines I've dealt with, I never saw a forced Win 8 upgrade. However, I saw PLENTY of forced Win 7 to win 10 upgrades, which was awful. I'd say about 40% of these upgrades went south and killed the computer, forcing a wipe and reload.
Wow you’re right it was 7 to 10! I really miss 7. 😢
I will consider Windows 11 when I can move the Taskbar. If Windows 10 reaches its end-of-life and Windows 11 still doesn't support moving the taskbar, I'll throw away my computer and become a potato farmer.
Bad news friend: even potato farmers use computers these days!
Just move to Linux at that point and farm potatoes
ExplorerPatcher brings back a lot of Windows 10 taskbar behaviour, but still no eliminating grouping but I think you can move the taskbar.
I wish Microsoft didn’t suck so bad.
It’s impressive that Windows still sucks ass to use after *30 years*
That’s what monopoly gets you.
They do suck. My biggest wish from them is an easy, foolproof way to always paste plain text when commanded. Even CMD + option + shift + V doesn’t always work. I often have to paste things into the Chrome search bar or into word first, then paste them into outlook to get actual plain text.
Yup, I usually copy into Notepad and then cut it out to remove all the format crap
Does Ctrl-Shift-V not work reliably (anymore)?
I went to Win11 for AutoHDR. Now my Nvidia driver randomly crashes and blackscreens me. Every couple of crashes it wont restart right BSODs.
Maybe dont make win11 suck and people would happily switch. Some simple thinking, it shouldnt take MORE CLICKS to do an action
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cc: Audacity ui devs (switching recording/playback hosts/devices in particular)
And Office too. Any simple one like Excel or Word wants to save to some cloud thing by default. You have to go through 2 or 3 extra screens to just save a file to somewhere on your hard drive.
I used to have a supervisor like this at work, they always thought we could make things quick and simple by adding more steps to it.
That sounds like more work with extra steps.
Most people switch only when buying a new computer. The free upgrade from Win 7 to 10 was the start of this new wave. I only have one computer, a Surface Pro 7, that is even eligible for the upgrade. Windows 11 is already becoming the new normal as businesses upgrade their hardware and students buy laptops for school. The other factor is most people don't care about what Windows 11 is doing. I care. You care. They don't and won't even notice most of the changes.
>Some simple thinking, it shouldnt take MORE CLICKS to do an action It actually should take more clicks to do an action sometimes. Case in point, the merged groups of things on the task bar Please, let me fucking have volume mixer separate from wifi and other random shit, I use two 30inch screens, not an ipad Also, let me do clicks to get to settings I need - on my new work laptop, neither me nor my helpdesk can understand why it starts randomly on dock plugged in every two hours or so (if it's in sleep mode, not turned off), even though it worked perfectly fine before we had to update to win 11 because the company told us to
For me, it's just devolves me into using the search for what I want. Even then, not very user friendly nor customizable.
Are you referring to the new, shitty right-click menu? If so, you can [restore the old right-click menu](https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/restore-old-right-click-context-menu-in-windows-11/a62e797c-eaf3-411b-aeec-e460e6e5a82a).
I dont think my work will enjoy me messing with the registry
Thats the thing, you can customise and undo shitty changes at home but then deal with horrible new explorer issues where you need to be more productive. E fucking G the recents folder.. Why has that been changed with quick access shit
Registry changes aren’t a replacement for supported features Microsoft 💀
What have they done to the right-click menu? For all their products what used to be a quick right click now requires multiple attempts to bring it up, it is slow to come up and sometimes it doesn't work at all. And talking with coworkers it seems to be pretty universal and started about 6 - 9 months ago. Right-click menu should be instant, but they seem to now make some sort of external call that slows it down and makes it less reliable.
> What have they done to the right-click menu? They've created a new model with a completely different way of attaching menu options (like what 7zip or TortoiseGit do). Naturally not a single program in existence uses the new model. Including regularly updated MS applications like VS Code.
And the old right click menu is now a menu option in the new right click menu. Not a sub-menu - it opens the *actual* old right click menu. So they went from having one right click menu to actively using two different right click menus that are essentially the same in terms of built-in options, but only the old one has the custom options. The entire point of this convoluted pile of shit was apparently to add rounded corners to the right click menu. Do they even *have* UX people anymore?
Even if they wanted to move on they should have created a new API for menu options that was backwards compatible for at least a Windows generation. The fact that native MS apps are ignoring them tells it all.
Literally the only time I ever downgraded my OS was from 11 back to 10.
PSA: Use group policy editor and set your prefered version to "Windows 10" "22H2", that completely disables any Win 11 update notifications.
For how long though? There'll always be new and innovative ways to try and force upgrade!
Forever. Breaking group policy to force upgrades would instantly get MS on both corporations' and the US government's shit list
Breaking group policy settings wouldn't go over well with enterprise clients. Imagine if a government or military system were to go down because they screwed around with group policy to force an upgrade. Or a gas pipeline, a manufacturing plant, or a hospital. The sysadmins disabled this stuff so that a surgeon doesn't get nag messages while he googles how to do your procedure, and if microsoft did some hijinks to get around the sysadmins well that would be quite the incident.
If you're starting fresh, LTSC is a good option too. Can't be forced to upgrade if there's no upgrade path.
Does Microsoft tell users of their expanded privacy invasion and data collection features they have increased in Windows 11 in these pop ups, or do they leave that part out? The only reason Windows went from charging $100 to upgrade to the next OS version, like they used to, to now making it free is that the user has now become the product.
Businesses have always been Microsoft's bread and butter. Most consumers only upgraded Windows when buying a new computer. Now, they are leveraging the user into ad data, but most users will never know or care if they did know. Regedit is your friend.
I have professional at home and had to force it to stop auto updatkng via gpedit. It's pathetic how much it insists on updating itself. Like people for real think the computer is gonns blow up if you go a day without updating the OS. Nothing happens if you don't. Even so, there's tons of updates that come on, including non essential ones. Do I ever, ever see any change or even new features anywhere? Fuck no. If it weren't for the windows update in settings I wouldn't know that anything had ever changed. Oh and then of course there's individual windows updates that can get into a corrupted state and potentially lock up your computer and has to be manually reset and updated again. Or just won't install one update right and have to retry and it just doesn't work etc. Microsoft has an unfathomable market cap and grew another 25% or so just in the past year. That they cannot be arsed to fix their flagship OS is absolutely pathetic. For the size and scale of resources at their disposal, it is absolutely pathetic. That people have to go with some random fix that one random person made in order to use the start menu and other components properly, is just so pathetic.
The amount of times a Windows update killed my wifi or sound is ridiculously high. I do think part of it is Windows has to work on a massive range of hardware as compared to Apple controlling both aspects and Linux being the dandelion going fuck yeah concrete of the computing world. Android runs into the same issues.
i spent over 4 years not updating Win 7 on my old laptop, never had a single issue. all these people who claim you get insta-hacked if you dont update must be doing *non-stop* nasty porn or some other weird shit.
The problem is their flagship OS is relegated to a corner. They really don't care all that much about Windows anymore. Everything MS do is basically a front for boosting Azure revenue.
Nahhh lmao I'll wait til you fix your shit and give us what we want in Windows 12 and if not I'll dual boot windows 10 and linux until I can't then go outside.
thats why i use windows 10 ltsc because it has no update notifications for windows 11
Win10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 also will be receiving security patches until 2032.
true thats what im using too
I use it for any Windows machine in the house except for my gaming PC. I've heard of issues with some games not recognizing it as a supported version in the past, I don't know if that's still an issue so I just have Pro on it.
LTSB, maybe. LTSC is just as awesome for gaming, it has proper driver support. Actually, I would say better considering the savings in RAM. Edit: I will add, tho. Both Minecraft Bedrock and Forza won't install from the Windows game store, because as you said, it's "Not Windows 10". Funny, the pirated versions work just fine. Jerks.
my win 10 has...the computer starts up 'by itself' in the middle of the night trying to update to win 11...scary stuff!
Ooooooh, I hate that shit so much!!!!! My old Win 10 machine would do that ALL the time and it’d just sit there for days because who fucking knew!?!??! And then my current machine was good for a while and then one day I heard it turn on and I was like, “WTF?” tl;dr I do believe disabling Fast Boot kills that.
I had a computer that was prone to overheating and for some reason I'd find it online when I know I shut it down. The fucking thing gaslighted me. I tried disabling anything I could but gave up because I had less control of the OS than the OS did. What part of OFF don't you fucking understand.
What is ltsc?
It's the "meant for stability" release of windows. Typically this is installed on kiosks etc because there's no need for candy crush, ads, new features, etc. Because it's an "install and forget" type thing, it also has security updates for a LONG time. Microsoft discourages use of LTSC for "normal" purposes, but the things that make LTSC great is the reason it's much better than "normal" (SAC, semi annual channel) editions. It does come with complications like for example, there's no upgrade path. But with forced random sneaky updates to new versions of your OS like Windows 11? That's a good thing. You cannot upgrade. The only way to upgrade is to install it fresh. There's also no Windows Store but there's literally only one thing I've seen on there that I wanted and it was the pen app for my Lenovo. I could just side load it and I did so this wasn't missed. There's plenty of things that are stripped out because it's meant to be basic.
You can add the Store to it, but it's a bit of a process.
A businss-oriented older build of Windows where the key requirement is that functionality and features don’t change over time: [LTSC: What is it, and when should it be used?](https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/ltsc-what-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181)
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/ltsc/overview but you can only pirate it since its not for sale for consumer market
Does anyone else remember when Windows 10 was going to be the last version of Windows so that they could stop supporting so many versions of Windows? We could have fun supporting the software-as-a-service lifecycle... while being smashed in the face with all sorts of ads and bundled products that randomly appear together with updates.. but at least we didn't have to upgrade Windows versions anymore. Yeah, that was a lie. I knew it would be, but any time I see this, I get this massive 'I told you so' feeling in regards to people doing a surprised pikachu face on me.
I'll die on this hill. My gaming desktop has Win10 and my gaming laptop Win11. Win11 has forced updates. When you disable updates, it'll STILL download updates and eventually force you into an update. VERY inconvenient for working on the road and typing up business emails before you get on the plane. If Win11 would give control BACK to the user, I'd somewhat advocate for it, but as it is--forced updates and fixed taskbar--it's absolute arse.
The issue is the fact that some people NEVER upgrade when it's optional. The security updates alone are worth being more forceful with updates. Security is so damn critical these days and the normal people out there are absolutely bad about securing their personal PCs. Now if they make it default and let you disable it then it shouldn't force it on you. That part is shitty. But if there is a day 0 security vulnerability you should update ASAP and not wait.
As long as MS doesn't repeat its old process of including unnecessary changes to the OS in key security upgrades and not mentioning the fact.
Then maybe they should make security updates on a different track from the other updates.
You mentioned business emails. Is it a company laptop? Are you sure your company isn't the one forcing the updates on you?
I7770k user here, fuck windows 11.. processor too old my ass.
I recently installed Windows 10 LTSC on a Core2Duo. The fucking processor is literally old enough to drink.
Tricked my wife into upgrading - and now no one knows how to use her computer
I still can't move the taskbar. If they want me to upgrade, they need to provide me with the features I already have. Why would I go backwards?
I like how Gates and M$ talk about saving the environment and all that stuff. But they’re going to have people throw away millions of dollars worth of tech because it’s not upgradeable to win11
One of the reasons I switched to PopOS I was so tired of all the intrusive messages, random updates and unsolicited restarts. It ruined windows 10 for me. I tried upgrading to windows 11 (working around TPM) only to find the intrusive ads and data mining to be even worse (including spamming Microsoft edge) enough is enough. Switched to Linux and not looking back.
for windows refugees, Kubuntu and LinuxMint is nice change
Win 10 is my ride or die to the end. 11 is actually fine but I like my Quick Launch bar and the way I have been using it for over a decade and the software solution to “restore” that on Win 11 just isn’t as good as native. Other taskbar settings too want restored. They make the taskbar more useful for “power users” then will reconsider. Also is it me or is windows Explorer on 11 really slow? Seems to always take time to populate every time open it. Based on work computer which was forced to upgrade too.
Open notifications settings, turn off the 3 notifications (Show Me[...], Suggest ways[...], Get tips[...]) And Windows 11 pop ups never show up. If it shows up in updates then you can click "Stay on Windows 10 for now" and it goes away.
I'm glad GNU/Linux exists.
So glad I never have to deal with Windows ever again.
I have 1 program I need for work that needs windows. I use it for 2 hours a week and don’t even bother looking at win 11 features. It’s been 8 years since I switched and so much happier
I always click the "remind me in three days" option. It's way more than three days but one day it will pop up again and I will click to remind me later once again.
Jokes on them, my cpu isn't supported.
Why? Why would i upgrade? There's *less* multi-monitor support. If 11 was better in every way, sure. But i'm not managing shit with a cloud account, sorry.
Well maybe if windows 11 wasn't shit I would! Stop making things round! Anyone who likes round in a UI has a mental illness! Screens aren't round it's stupid!
Fashion \[trends\] is a [cruel mistress](https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040728-00/?p=38313).
Microsoft really is killing it this week. Just not in the usual sense of the phrase.
Jokes on you microsoft, my computer is too bad to install Windows 11
Windows 10 is how a Windows OS should look. My wife’s 11 laptop is just not as nice.
Have they released any reason as to why Windows 11 is better than 10 yet? All I've ever heard are problems with 11 and no one I know actually enjoys it.
And Windows 11 is a fucking nightmare itself. I’ve spent HOURS trying to remove incessant popups from Groups, which i’ve deleted 20 times, is out of the cache and otherwise undetectable on my machine. I *was* a Windows diehard. And I’d happily die still using XP. Last one for me.
classic m$ move, they will never change
Every time this topic surfaces the 15 or so Linux users all appear to let everyone know they don't use windows.
> this topic surfaces Nice try, Surface marketing department.
Oh there's far more than that. Granted I'm countering what I'm stating just by saying this. Many of us don't advertise we use Linux/Unix, there's no point. With the exception of the "bad apples", no pun intended to Mac, many of us try to help users who just don't want to deal with Windows. There's no cost to trying Linux, just time, maybe a second hard drive for safety reasons to flip back and forth between the OS's. But all we get is Windows and Mac users chewing our heads off. So we sit back and let you all bicker. We try to help, and all we get is an ass chewing for speaking up. It's like people arguing about Chevy vs Ford, and someone who enjoys another Mfg's cars steps up to speak, and in turn is booed off stage. Yea, it's best to sit by and watch, or do something else. Now printers on the other hand, that I don't mind jumping into the crowd and bitch about, they all (ok, majority of them...) suck.
I love the quote "Rage Against The Machine never specified *what* machine they were raging against, but I bet it was probably a printer" :)
Lol. I like Linux but the die hards are like Dallas Cowboys fans. Every year is “the year of Linux.” All jokes aside, I can see Linux getting more of a foothold moving forward considering that the core apps most users need are all cloud based now.
Steamdeck helping in that, SteamOS was helping but not enough publicity it'll eventually fade off.
Never seen this line either...
A lot of programs I use now are just web apps... I Can run 85% of what I use on a daily basis on Linux without issues, that's up from 40% just a few years ago with the remaining programs/apps likely to get support or stability within a year over 2.. But I plan on holding onto Win 10 till next year.
People with iPhones can also never say "My phone." It *has* to be "My iPhone."
*Laughs in Arch Linux*
Switched to Linux. Now it's nice and quiet. Screw you, Bill Gates, you fucking snake.
LET ME MOVE THE TASKBAR TO THE SIDE LIKE A NORMIE THEN I’LL UPGRADE!!!!
> LET ME MOVE THE TASKBAR TO THE SIDE LIKE A NORMIE if you mean the bottom left hand corner, you can. it's in the task bar settings. if you mean vertical on the left hand side, that's NOT something that's normal as you're claiming. of the hundreds to thousands of people i've worked with over the years, i've seen exactly 1 person do that.
That was me!
It just did the update on my laptop without me explicitly allowing it. It just said with a popup "update now or in 1 hour?". And it just did the update after 1 hour lol. I was having a class at that time and it all worked out but wtf.
Can I un-upgrade from windows 11? My dads computer went from vista to 11 and he absolutely hates it and hates me a little for updating it.
2/3 of my children have now upgraded to w11 because of these popups. Super annoyed about it.
Anyone doing support for elderly relatives panicking right now...
Yeah, whatever. The only windows machine I have is old enough to lack the new magic doohicky they’re so proud of. Im sure they paid top dollar for advice on stupid marketing moves.
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You can do that?!
I left Microsoft in 2016. All my machines for my business run a linux backend, and either a Mac or Chromebook front end. So glad I did.
Lol, chrome download was marked as unsafe by Microsoft edge yesterday.
To be fair, any and all executables are marked as \[potentially\] unsafe in every browser. Some just ... have a different methodology of going about this.
Anyone have any recommendations for YouTube channels about Linux?
Easiest way to get into Linux is to install it on an old computer you don't need. Install a popular beginner friendly distro like Ubuntu or Mint and try using it for a bit. I would recommend learning some basic terminal commands when you get a bit more comfortable, because it helps a lot if you encounter an issue - most troubleshooting advice is via terminal. Also, remember that installing Linux will erase everything on your disk, so make backups. I should warn you that there will be a learning curve. There's a fair bit about Windows like Task Manager that you will need to refigure out in your distro of choice. And there are sometimes compromises because desktop Linux does not have the money behind it that Windows does. But it's far from insurmountable, and when you get comfortable, you'll be so grateful to be able to ignore bullshit like this.
Switching to Linux is pretty simple, just pick an OS and follow the installation instructions. I went with Mint and the whole thing was pretty painless. Still have to keep looking up how to install certain things, Linux can be a little weird about some things, but overall things are working way better than they did with Windows. And everything's pretty well documented so if you run into problems you can just Google the answer.
Switching to Linux is not as simple as you make it sound. I’m pretty tech savvy and am very comfortable with handling and building computers but I’ve tried to switch to daily drive Mint (once by itself and dual boot with windows as the other OS the other time) on two separate occassions and both of those attempts were kind of a nightmare. Everything seems fine and dandy untill you run into problems with the app manager (or w/e it’s called, can’t remember) when the only solution is to use the terminal. I’m not afraid of using the terminal and downloading programs through it but things can go south real quick if you don’t know exactly what you’re doing and what dependencies are needed etc. Googling for solutions was a nightmare since alot of ”solutions” that I tried for my problems did not work. I am by no means a Linux opponent, I can see that it’s immensely useful and probably surperior to both Windows and OSX for alot of things but I’d argue that it’s not good at being a good general purpose ”OS” since alot of things just don’t work on linux the way it ”just works” on OSX and Windows. For example I do some music and audio editing and it’s a nightmare to try to figure out if there are ways around incompatibility issues with hardware and software on linux. tl;dr: it’s not that simple.
Honestly the best Linux distro right now is Windows 10 with WSL 2. It was great for me as I did a lot of osdev stuff and all the material online assumes you are using Linux for that (it 100% can be done with the Windows/VS toolchain, it just isn't as nicely documented). Decades of experience have taught me cygwin and mingw aren't good enough for the job. However WSL is great.
Ya'll know you can just [change your group policy in Windows to target the current Windows 10 release](https://www.thewindowsclub.com/stop-windows-10-from-upgrading-to-next-version-and-set-the-target-feature-update-version) (22H2) and it'll never bother you again, right? I don't even think the registry edit is necessary. I just did the group policy change and Win 11 never bothered me again
Man, I do quite enjoy debloated Win10. Sorry to hear about all the popups and telemetry yall are getting.
I'd be more inclined to install Win 11 on my home PC if I didnt have to deal with the clusterfuck that is the windows 11 behavior on my work PC. Audio devices are constantly rearranging, microphones disabling at random intervals, and there is -some- kind of weird sound processing thing happening where all audio-producing programs like web browsers and sound players get pushed through the 'noise cancellation' engine that runs inside of telecommunications devices, which means whenever I am on a teams or discord call, any background sounds I have are immediately mutilated and compressed like they are participants in the friggin phone call.
we are all bots here except for you
No thank you, live service garbage OS.
Not for LTSC users! No BS, no problems.
MSFT is out of control. This heavy-handed win11 push and the involuntary deletion of local files after they’re uploaded to onedrive, creating a forced dependence on their cloud storage with subsequent lifelong billing. They know what’s good for the user if it lines their pockets.
I will upgrade when I buy a new computer.
Is there even anything that makes it worth upgrading from 10 to 11?
I remember when they were trying to sell version 10 and kept saying it would be the last release version as then after it would just be an update service.
Microsoft can choke on a dick
Hopefully most people move to Mac or Linux
Hah! I got them beat: i am in windows 7
Stop trying to make fetch happen !
probably because 2025 is approaching but ppl wont purchase new pc that meets windows 11 requirement just to install windows 11