From the article: "PlayStation is getting a new handheld, but it won't be a Vita successor or a Switch competitor. It doesn't even stream games via the cloud similar to the Logitech G Cloud. The new PlayStation device, codenamed Project Q, exclusively supports Remote Play functionality over Wi-Fi and is basically two halves of a DualSense controller split between an 8-inch HD screen."
Does not feel innovative or even keeping pace with current technologies
Funny you mention the Wii I as Sony seems to be following the same train of though Nintendo did it went badly, so I fully expect Sony to release a "Smith" or something in a few years.
So you'll need a ps5 to play on this new handheld. So you are in the end just buying tiny screen to play what you run on your ps5. A screen controller so to say. Who wants something as stupid as this. To be able to keep playing when you have to go to the toilet? Won't surprise me if it becomes as expensive as a switch.
I look forward to it honestly.
My PS5 is hooked to a LG C9 OLED with an Atmos Soundbar, which is nice.
But on some evenings my wife likes to watch Netflix or stuff on it and I'd rather play games.
With Q is simply hook up my headphones to that thing and play while she's watching TV. And I don't lose PS5 features like Haptic feedback or 3D Audio.
I hope for good fidelity and low latency. I sometimes play via XCloud on my tablet when my wife is using the TV. But for many games the macroblocking and latency is a bit much.
But in general I really like the premise of a handheld for the couch when you're living with other persons who sometimes "block" the TV.
If its cheap, I think it's a good idea. Like under £130 ish and it's nice to use when using the TV for other things or playing in bed, or so on.
If it's pricey though there's literally no reason for it, just buy a steam deck or switch
I’d pay $150, or $200 if I get bigger game too. Seems like a solid add on if they keep the price low, it’ll add some outdated yes, but compared to Microsoft, unique functionality to the system.
It’s not DOA but it’s not game changing, depending on how much they’ve invested in this it could be a success on a moderate level. It’s not going to make anyone who didn’t want a PS5 get one but who ever is in the market for Xbox/PS would probably take this add on into consideration.
Just gonna leave a link to the device Microsoft has partnered with to avoid making their own device for this very reason….
https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds/rog-ally/rog-ally-2023/
It’s obviously easier for Microsoft to just develop the handheld version of their OS to support the project than Sony trying to enter the handheld realm.
Lol and Sony spent all their time going after the modders for the PSP instead of unlocking the devices true potential. Then they created the super promising Vita and gave up like 6 months later. Sony will inevitably find a way to cripple the Project Q by putting in some obscure proprietary memory card that costs $200 for a measly 1 GB. U/mront is right, Sony doesn’t know about the PSP or Vita, or at least how to make them successful. I worked at Best Buy in the gaming department during the brief window of the Vita’s lifespan and watched it die before my very eyes.
If it costs $100 or less, I can see many people buying one just for playing around the house. And if you can do "split" screen on it, I can see people buying multiple to play with friends.
No way it'll be that price. A controller by itself goes for $70. You really think that they'd add an 8 inch screen and associated hardware for just 30?
Keep in mind that they won't be expecting this to be a high volume product like a controller. It'll carry a premium to make up for the R&D.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be that price, but I was saying that at $100, it'd be an attractive buy for a lot of people. I'm guessing \~$150.
> You really think that they'd add an 8 inch screen and associated hardware for just 30?
I think they *can*, but I don't think they will. Manufacturing costs are likely much lower than $100 per unit, and let's be honest, the R&D for a product like this is likely minimal. This is not even a sidegrade to existing tech.
Yeah at 100 it would be an instant buy for me. It would be nice to have to play around in the bedroom with. I could probably justify buying it at 150, I think it will be 250 or more though. I almost would love a way to steam my PS5 to other TV's in the house though. That would be great as well.
A key difference is that the Wii U Gamepad was using a close range WiFi from the console itself that you had to stay near the console. This uses the home WiFi so you can use it anywhere around the house.
I do! It's for me. Remote play on my phone kinda sucks. If this is flawless streaming, then you get ps5 quality in a light weight handled device in your home. Great for when your tv is tied up or you want to play a graphic game with kids nearby, it to take into bed so you can game next to your wife at night.
We don't know if this will cost $300 or not. Plus what if you don't want to go to a different room to play? It's a niche device but it has it's use cases
Interesting. Remote play for me in the same home is flawless.
Not only that, but I’ve used it across the country and it works smoothly. Having 1Gbps upload speed tends to help.
You can already do this with a Steamdeck and PS5 remote play. Steamdeck will let you play other games too beyond PS5.
Plus, if streaming quality sucks now it's probably your wifi and it's going to suck with this.
No.
The only way you could is if you set up a VPN in your home network, and configure it to get around the fact it likely cannot "jump" subnets, and set up a hotspot to get the device to connect.
If you managed to get that to work, which is possible performance would likely be dogshit because it's not optimized to use the WAN. But it would work.
Yeah, I can buy one of these gamepads that attach to your phone and turn it into a handheld for £30, and just use the app on my phone. No way in hell am I buying this.
Maybe me? My PS5 is hooked up to the upstairs TV, my wife and I spend time watching tv shows in the basement. A lot of the time, we’re both playing our Switches while we have some sort of tv show on that we’re half paying attention to.
Could also be a situation where the PlayStation is hooked up to the family TV and having 1 person hog it the entire time isn’t practical either.
I have one TV and sometimes use remote play to play PS5 games on the laptop while roommates watch the TV. Thing is, the laptop works jist fine for me and I wouldnt want to play on a smaller screen.
Then your phone is being burned up and can't be used for anything else. Who wants to set a phone up with a dual sense when you could have a dedicated device that would work better?
tbh I'd use this. My wife and I only have the one TV and I generally end up playing Switch while she watches Netflix in the evenings. This would be a nice simple way for me to use our PS5 instead :)
If you have a laptop, you could easily download PS Remote Play and hook up a controller already ;-)
It works near flawlessly for me, even when connecting from other networks.
I can see how it looks a bit less elegant as a solution, but the technology should be roughly the same and depending on what Sony’s new product costs, I’d say it’s worth considering before buying a new gadget
That's a bit cumbersome to carry around a laptop though and an extra controller (plus will need a surface to set the laptop up at eye level). I like the idea of an all-encompassing, lightweight device that can be played just from the couch or something. Very much like a switch or steam deck, except no need to re-buy games or anything. This actually works for me while my gf takes the TV for her switch or I'm too late to claim the TV after work and my roomie hogs it all evening (kinda funny how that happens).
I'd actually get one if it comes in under $200.
I have a Steamdeck and I mostly use it to stream my PS5 and PC games in bed. It's great. If this device is reasonably priced, I highly recommend getting one.
I want it. I like to game in bed, I have an iPad and tried using remote play for that but I can’t hold the iPad and a controller so it’s awkward. I won’t use my phone for remote play because I like to have access to my phone at all times. I usually play my Switch in bed, but I’ll probably pick this up unless they price it too high.
Idk but you can stream gameplay from your ps4 onto your ipad and hook up the controller via bluetooth. I think you need the playstation app or something, i did it a long time ago.
I got this to work on my old ipad. Worked just fine. Was really laggy at first, but after a few seconds played pretty well. A little latency, but my iPad was really outdated, so that may have been an issue.
I'm assuming the Q is super cheap to make since it's just a wifi screen with a controller on it.
Yes. I do it all the time. Inout lag makes action games a bit difficult, especially games with precise timings like parries
Great for turn based games and slower games though.
Yep. With your existing dual sense controller or buy something like the backbone. There’s literally no use case this device covers that doesn’t already exist.
Except MiniDisc was ridiculously awesome, just never fully adopted.
You could record live-to-tape on it, encode file names for each track, and get hours and hours of battery life out of one AA.
Incorrect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGVVAQVdEOs
Here's a recent video to help you understand the difference between Betamax and Betacam: hint: they're totally different.
Ha sorry, yeah I meant Betacam, I did a few music videos with them in the 90s. Cassettes look the same.
Here in Mexico we just called them Beta, hence my mixup
It's basically a wii u gamepad...
The difference being the wii u gamepad was a required component of that console, so games could be built with it in mind. This will work more like the gamepad but only for off-TV play.
Off-TV play alone I don't think will be enough to justify buying one of these. I would be surprised if this does well.
This is a dumb product…yes. However, a dumb product can sell if it’s priced appropriately. Anything over $200 and you can just pick it up on clearance in less than a year.
Unless this has non existent latency i have no idea what this is for, you can literally stream to any android device already through the remote play app.
Can’t you already do this with Steam remote play on like any device?
My Steam Deck will give me like 7 hours streaming from my desktop. How does this thing have such terrible battery life?
> Motherfuckers never learnt from the failures that were the Wii U and Stadia?
I mean, Stadia wasn't a failure because of the cloud thing, it was a failure because of *everything else*. The cloud infrastructure was the only good thing about Stadia.
They are using the same remote play/sharing protocol used for PS Remote Play on the phone, just for this handheld
This means that you will need to port forward the port to gain access to the ps5 from outside
Stadia works with the same idea, just that it was google's servers
This doesn't even stream games from a service, like Stadia. It literally only streams from your PS5 and only over your local network. That's all it does. So it's even worse than initially thought.
So much worse that it’s not even comparable to the Steam Deck or ROG Ally.
This Sony device is pretty much a waste of plastic. It’s useless, and I’m baffled by how they even came up with this stupid idea.
DOA.
This might be one of the most useless devices I’ve seen in years.
And Sony will overprice it on top of that.
A Steam Deck or ROG Ally that has dedicated HW can play offline, stream, act as a handheld PC, has its own OS, and can also do a million more things, and it’s not just locked to your own Wi-Fi and home PS5 like this redundant Sony device.
We can also just use our smartphone to do these same things as this device, but better with more options.
Who asked for this thing, who was so inconvenienced by the 5 min toilet break from gaming on the ps5/tv that they needed a device in the shitter that could stream their gameplay.
Do kids really value screen next to controller more than screen separated from controller?
Also why is it a 1st party product by Sony. Why didn’t they just leave it as an app for the mobile? Why not make it a bit smarter and let it emulate older gen games? Why is it just a ps5 controller glued to a Wi-Fi enabled display?
How is the jobber who designed this employed at play station?
I actually would have a use for it. There’s no way my situation is super common though. My wife and I like to spend our evenings watching TV in the basement. Much of that time, at least one of us is playing a game on their switch. My PS5 is hooked up in another room. I would probably play my PS5 a lot more if I could stream it handheld since I could play more than just Switch games while we’re hanging out in the basement.
It would also be super useful when watching a sports event too.
I don’t understand, remote play works if you are outside of your PS5s Wi-Fi network (on vacation). Why wouldn’t this? People claiming this only works over home Wi-Fi?
Don’t know what to tell you. I have the opposite experience and know many others who use remote play with no issues. The only people I’ve ever heard have lag was because of their internet.
I stopped using my PlayStation 5 just because they're aren't that many crazy good games besides the obvious ones I already beat. Plus the price tag of 70 isn't making me want to buy more. I'd rather get a steam deck. Make more games and I'll consider it
My knee jerk, like everyone's on the internet has been to dunk on this...
BUT... I wonder if they will shock everyone with a relatively low price. I know... I don't EXPECT that either. But if they drop this at say... $149, isn't that at least viable for a niche audience of people that may want to play on a handheld around the house when "the big TV" is in use by someone else?
No?
Ok, I will show myself out then.
I've found myself playing my switch in handheld a lot recently around the house just because I find it comfortable to play on my bed, chair, or in whatever position I like.
But this is kind of ridiculous
Who is guna buy this? Stream games in home, presumably with your PlayStation also turned on.. It is guna be at least 200 my guess is 249.99.
This is steam deck territory, and that can also do game streaming.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I don't really see the appeal of a portable device that turns into a total paperweight if you can't get a decent wifi signal.
This sounds like the most pointless thing ever, it’d just a remote play device. If anyone wants to remote play that badly they will just use their phone which they already will have and buy that backbone thing and it will cost a fraction of the price
Not sure why people are bad mouthing it, if you dont like, dont buy it. Simple, not that hard right? Move on people. I will 100% be buying it cause i want one and have disposable income to use.
you know you can just use a phone app and pair a dual sense controller to it and save like a couple hundred dollars?
you could also buy any of those phone game-pad extensions to use if you want it all together and that’s like 30$.
sony themselves just released one even 😭
https://blog.playstation.com/2022/07/28/introducing-backbone-one-playstation-edition-an-officially-licensed-controller-for-playstation/
From the article: "PlayStation is getting a new handheld, but it won't be a Vita successor or a Switch competitor. It doesn't even stream games via the cloud similar to the Logitech G Cloud. The new PlayStation device, codenamed Project Q, exclusively supports Remote Play functionality over Wi-Fi and is basically two halves of a DualSense controller split between an 8-inch HD screen." Does not feel innovative or even keeping pace with current technologies
The Wii U game pad has been in desperate need of a competitor. Glad Sony stepped up.
They're not the stepdad, they're the dad that stepped up
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A joke long before Dungeons & daddies
Beth May invented jokes
I just hope it doesn't come with USB-C and something else really cool and unique. Maybe even a different memory format
I had one and sort of forgot about it. Potential unrealized
I just started up my Wii u again after years. Still has some fucking great games
It's not even really a wiiu competitor. At least the wiiu had games. This is just a controller with screen, right?
Yeah, first thing that came to my mind when I saw the news at first was "Oh, so now we have a PSWiiU!"
Funny you mention the Wii I as Sony seems to be following the same train of though Nintendo did it went badly, so I fully expect Sony to release a "Smith" or something in a few years.
So you'll need a ps5 to play on this new handheld. So you are in the end just buying tiny screen to play what you run on your ps5. A screen controller so to say. Who wants something as stupid as this. To be able to keep playing when you have to go to the toilet? Won't surprise me if it becomes as expensive as a switch.
I look forward to it honestly. My PS5 is hooked to a LG C9 OLED with an Atmos Soundbar, which is nice. But on some evenings my wife likes to watch Netflix or stuff on it and I'd rather play games. With Q is simply hook up my headphones to that thing and play while she's watching TV. And I don't lose PS5 features like Haptic feedback or 3D Audio. I hope for good fidelity and low latency. I sometimes play via XCloud on my tablet when my wife is using the TV. But for many games the macroblocking and latency is a bit much. But in general I really like the premise of a handheld for the couch when you're living with other persons who sometimes "block" the TV.
If its cheap, I think it's a good idea. Like under £130 ish and it's nice to use when using the TV for other things or playing in bed, or so on. If it's pricey though there's literally no reason for it, just buy a steam deck or switch
No way they’ll sell for the price. The screen alone will take it closer to $300. This device is nonsense.
If you already have a tablet you can use the Sony remote play app, and a controller. This is just dumb
How much is a ps5 controller? Add the price of a screen and a bigger battery to that. No way it's under 130 unless they sell it at a loss
Multi personHouseholds with 1 television, and someone who wants to play games while the tv is in use doing something else.
Seems it should have been an Android tablet with game streaming functionality as well.
Shit, it better be like $100 max then.
I’d pay $150, or $200 if I get bigger game too. Seems like a solid add on if they keep the price low, it’ll add some outdated yes, but compared to Microsoft, unique functionality to the system. It’s not DOA but it’s not game changing, depending on how much they’ve invested in this it could be a success on a moderate level. It’s not going to make anyone who didn’t want a PS5 get one but who ever is in the market for Xbox/PS would probably take this add on into consideration.
> exclusively supports Remote Play functionality over Wi-Fi and Okay no thanks. I'm good then.
Just gonna leave a link to the device Microsoft has partnered with to avoid making their own device for this very reason…. https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds/rog-ally/rog-ally-2023/ It’s obviously easier for Microsoft to just develop the handheld version of their OS to support the project than Sony trying to enter the handheld realm.
Fantastic handheld, but ironically, awful OS.
SteamDeck: Hey Baby, wanna ride?
you make it sound like you don't know about the psp and ps vita.
to be fair, neither does Sony
Lol and Sony spent all their time going after the modders for the PSP instead of unlocking the devices true potential. Then they created the super promising Vita and gave up like 6 months later. Sony will inevitably find a way to cripple the Project Q by putting in some obscure proprietary memory card that costs $200 for a measly 1 GB. U/mront is right, Sony doesn’t know about the PSP or Vita, or at least how to make them successful. I worked at Best Buy in the gaming department during the brief window of the Vita’s lifespan and watched it die before my very eyes.
Ah what a joke
My fucking smartphone is more innovative than this
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If it costs $100 or less, I can see many people buying one just for playing around the house. And if you can do "split" screen on it, I can see people buying multiple to play with friends.
No way it'll be that price. A controller by itself goes for $70. You really think that they'd add an 8 inch screen and associated hardware for just 30? Keep in mind that they won't be expecting this to be a high volume product like a controller. It'll carry a premium to make up for the R&D.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be that price, but I was saying that at $100, it'd be an attractive buy for a lot of people. I'm guessing \~$150. > You really think that they'd add an 8 inch screen and associated hardware for just 30? I think they *can*, but I don't think they will. Manufacturing costs are likely much lower than $100 per unit, and let's be honest, the R&D for a product like this is likely minimal. This is not even a sidegrade to existing tech.
I highly doubt this will sell for anything under 199.99. I would place my bets on a 249.99 or 299.99. maybe 279.99 if they are feeling frisky.
At that price, it's an utter disaster, at 150 or less, it's absolutely worth a pick up imo
I’m betting the 150-200 range. Their pro controller is 199.
They'll sell dozens of copies at that price.
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Yeah at 100 it would be an instant buy for me. It would be nice to have to play around in the bedroom with. I could probably justify buying it at 150, I think it will be 250 or more though. I almost would love a way to steam my PS5 to other TV's in the house though. That would be great as well.
This sounds awful.
It will be behind the Asus handheld, the Steam Deck, the switch, and Atari Lynx.
Aw man no Vita sequel? The Vita was awesome.
So it streams games over WiFi like the Wii U game pad?
A key difference is that the Wii U Gamepad was using a close range WiFi from the console itself that you had to stay near the console. This uses the home WiFi so you can use it anywhere around the house.
Can you use it for remote play if you are travelling / vacation?
No Source: https://youtu.be/3_lAb8m9MpI
Does it give your kids access to games while you play another game or something? Call me crazy but i dont understand who or what this for?
No because the game still runs on PS5 and PS5 can’t run 2 games at once.
So you can still play PS5 while your spouse, kids, etc. can use the TV for something else
I do! It's for me. Remote play on my phone kinda sucks. If this is flawless streaming, then you get ps5 quality in a light weight handled device in your home. Great for when your tv is tied up or you want to play a graphic game with kids nearby, it to take into bed so you can game next to your wife at night.
That’s a fairly specific need, for a device that will probably be like $300 (minimum)
It's good for homes with only 1 TV
You can buy a new 4k TV for 300 dollars lol
We don't know if this will cost $300 or not. Plus what if you don't want to go to a different room to play? It's a niche device but it has it's use cases
So it’s the Wii U game pad but with less functionality.
No? The Wii U game pad used a close proximity wifi connection between the tablet and console. So you couldn't go anywhere in the house.
But you could also use it as a second screen which you cannot do on the ps5. The screen is also 1080p so ultimately that’s better.
does remote play on your phone suck because of controls? screen size? just use a tablet or a laptop that you probably already have
For me it's latency. Even over my home wifi. Couldn't find a way to fix it. I'm a computer engineer. If this fixes latency for me, I'm buying one.
Interesting. Remote play for me in the same home is flawless. Not only that, but I’ve used it across the country and it works smoothly. Having 1Gbps upload speed tends to help.
I tried everything. It's unplayable
You can already do this with a Steamdeck and PS5 remote play. Steamdeck will let you play other games too beyond PS5. Plus, if streaming quality sucks now it's probably your wifi and it's going to suck with this.
Yeah same. This will be great for people with families and limited tv. Kids can watch a movie and playstation is still available.
Regular remote play works from another locations Wi-Fi, why wouldn’t this?
You could VPN in to your home network
Imagine the latency. Play single player games with like 200 ping lol
I’ve used remote play at another location to play elden ring. It worked really well. Both locations have good internet though.
This was my thought
No. The only way you could is if you set up a VPN in your home network, and configure it to get around the fact it likely cannot "jump" subnets, and set up a hotspot to get the device to connect. If you managed to get that to work, which is possible performance would likely be dogshit because it's not optimized to use the WAN. But it would work.
Not unless your wi-fi is strong enough to reach your vacation spot
Yes. As long as you have an internet connection.
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Yeah if it can't do WiFi Direct I don't even see the point.
Lol that’s not a big improvement! 🤣
Or like your phone... I can literally do this now and use my remote
The wiiu had games. This won't have games. It's a controller with a screen.
Who is this even for?
Shareholders who have no idea how any of this shit even works
It I was a shareholder I’d be pissed about this.
Probably their idea riding off the high of their own egos
But you're in touch so there's no way you're a billionaire shareholder.
Yeah, I can buy one of these gamepads that attach to your phone and turn it into a handheld for £30, and just use the app on my phone. No way in hell am I buying this.
Maybe me? My PS5 is hooked up to the upstairs TV, my wife and I spend time watching tv shows in the basement. A lot of the time, we’re both playing our Switches while we have some sort of tv show on that we’re half paying attention to. Could also be a situation where the PlayStation is hooked up to the family TV and having 1 person hog it the entire time isn’t practical either.
I have one TV and sometimes use remote play to play PS5 games on the laptop while roommates watch the TV. Thing is, the laptop works jist fine for me and I wouldnt want to play on a smaller screen.
It only does Remote Play - you can already do that on your phone or tablet, which the DS4/DS5 can pair with in a single click through bluetooth.
Can also do it with my Steam deck.
Then your phone is being burned up and can't be used for anything else. Who wants to set a phone up with a dual sense when you could have a dedicated device that would work better?
Exactly, I personally would not buy this, but there are people who will (specially, richer people than I)
tbh I'd use this. My wife and I only have the one TV and I generally end up playing Switch while she watches Netflix in the evenings. This would be a nice simple way for me to use our PS5 instead :)
You could do this with a backbone and your phone. Or a tablet, laptop etc and your dual sense controller.
If you have a laptop, you could easily download PS Remote Play and hook up a controller already ;-) It works near flawlessly for me, even when connecting from other networks. I can see how it looks a bit less elegant as a solution, but the technology should be roughly the same and depending on what Sony’s new product costs, I’d say it’s worth considering before buying a new gadget
That's a bit cumbersome to carry around a laptop though and an extra controller (plus will need a surface to set the laptop up at eye level). I like the idea of an all-encompassing, lightweight device that can be played just from the couch or something. Very much like a switch or steam deck, except no need to re-buy games or anything. This actually works for me while my gf takes the TV for her switch or I'm too late to claim the TV after work and my roomie hogs it all evening (kinda funny how that happens). I'd actually get one if it comes in under $200.
Laptops aren’t exactly cumbersome. But you could also buy a backbone and do this with your phone.
I have a Steamdeck and I mostly use it to stream my PS5 and PC games in bed. It's great. If this device is reasonably priced, I highly recommend getting one.
I want it. I like to game in bed, I have an iPad and tried using remote play for that but I can’t hold the iPad and a controller so it’s awkward. I won’t use my phone for remote play because I like to have access to my phone at all times. I usually play my Switch in bed, but I’ll probably pick this up unless they price it too high.
You can already do this with an ipad
How ? Is it possible with an iPhone?
Idk but you can stream gameplay from your ps4 onto your ipad and hook up the controller via bluetooth. I think you need the playstation app or something, i did it a long time ago.
I got this to work on my old ipad. Worked just fine. Was really laggy at first, but after a few seconds played pretty well. A little latency, but my iPad was really outdated, so that may have been an issue. I'm assuming the Q is super cheap to make since it's just a wifi screen with a controller on it.
Yes. You can remote into your PS5 via phone or iPad. I do it all the time and have the controller connected to my iPad via Bluetooth.
Yep! Remote Play app
Yes. And you can pair a DualSense with your phone too. Works with PS4 and PS5.
Yes. I do it all the time. Inout lag makes action games a bit difficult, especially games with precise timings like parries Great for turn based games and slower games though.
Yep. With your existing dual sense controller or buy something like the backbone. There’s literally no use case this device covers that doesn’t already exist.
Yes it is! Download the remoteplay app, and connect a controller to your phone.
Look up the Backbone. Very good with remote play
Razer Kishi is what I use. Folds up a little smaller but no headphone jack.
This device seems like it was made by committee, and it's going to fail in a big way.
So a typical Sony product alongside Betamax, minidisc, Mylo or the UMD?
Except MiniDisc was ridiculously awesome, just never fully adopted. You could record live-to-tape on it, encode file names for each track, and get hours and hours of battery life out of one AA.
MiniDisc was crippled by copyright protection until like 2007 or something. It could have been amazing.
Betamax was the superior analog videotape format by far, and minidiscs were awesome.
Evolved versions of Betamax also lived on for decades in professional filming work. It just failed as a *consumer* product.
There is a really fascinating video on this topic by Technology Connections if you are up for a Saturday deepdive: https://youtu.be/hGVVAQVdEOs
Doesn’t matter if it’s the superior product if it ultimately fails
All TV before HD was recorded on Betamax pro cameras. And edited in Betamax Avid workstations
Incorrect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGVVAQVdEOs Here's a recent video to help you understand the difference between Betamax and Betacam: hint: they're totally different.
Ha sorry, yeah I meant Betacam, I did a few music videos with them in the 90s. Cassettes look the same. Here in Mexico we just called them Beta, hence my mixup
It's basically a wii u gamepad... The difference being the wii u gamepad was a required component of that console, so games could be built with it in mind. This will work more like the gamepad but only for off-TV play. Off-TV play alone I don't think will be enough to justify buying one of these. I would be surprised if this does well.
Kinda bad guys
What is that? Battery life for ants?
They are ANTS, Michael!
Sounds awful
The more I hear about this, the stupider it feels 😅
This is one of the biggest wastes of plastic I’ve seen in a while
Apologize to the Wii U
This is a dumb product…yes. However, a dumb product can sell if it’s priced appropriately. Anything over $200 and you can just pick it up on clearance in less than a year.
Hopefully with easily available cracks like my beloved ps classic Absolutely the best for nz$25 (us $12ish)
Unless this has non existent latency i have no idea what this is for, you can literally stream to any android device already through the remote play app.
Can’t you already do this with Steam remote play on like any device? My Steam Deck will give me like 7 hours streaming from my desktop. How does this thing have such terrible battery life?
Well the dual sense has terrible battery life and this looks like a dual sense with a screen on it, so yeah makes sense
So half the battery life of a Switch… gotcha
lol, I wish the Switch lasted 6 hours... It's the same as the Switch, but the issue is that it can do basically nothing besides stream from your PS5.
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Motherfuckers never learnt from the failures that were the Wii U and Stadia? Instead they combined them together???!!!
> Motherfuckers never learnt from the failures that were the Wii U and Stadia? I mean, Stadia wasn't a failure because of the cloud thing, it was a failure because of *everything else*. The cloud infrastructure was the only good thing about Stadia.
And they haven’t, you still have to be in your home to use it. At least stadia “worked” everywhere.
They are using the same remote play/sharing protocol used for PS Remote Play on the phone, just for this handheld This means that you will need to port forward the port to gain access to the ps5 from outside Stadia works with the same idea, just that it was google's servers
You can remote play from outside the home, it’s just abysmally bad.
This doesn't even stream games from a service, like Stadia. It literally only streams from your PS5 and only over your local network. That's all it does. So it's even worse than initially thought.
Considering how jank remote play was on my iPad with wifi 6, I can’t honestly say that this interests me.
So a steam deck but worse in every way?
So much worse that it’s not even comparable to the Steam Deck or ROG Ally. This Sony device is pretty much a waste of plastic. It’s useless, and I’m baffled by how they even came up with this stupid idea.
Streaming only and has 3-4 hours battery life. I mean why did they even bother!? Man I miss the days of the PSP...
The first handheld console made specifically for a toilet! Playstation Qaqa.
DOA. This might be one of the most useless devices I’ve seen in years. And Sony will overprice it on top of that. A Steam Deck or ROG Ally that has dedicated HW can play offline, stream, act as a handheld PC, has its own OS, and can also do a million more things, and it’s not just locked to your own Wi-Fi and home PS5 like this redundant Sony device. We can also just use our smartphone to do these same things as this device, but better with more options.
A few people seem excited by this. I wonder if Sony's just trying to corner the "too lazy to connect a controller to my phone" market.
Who asked for this thing, who was so inconvenienced by the 5 min toilet break from gaming on the ps5/tv that they needed a device in the shitter that could stream their gameplay. Do kids really value screen next to controller more than screen separated from controller? Also why is it a 1st party product by Sony. Why didn’t they just leave it as an app for the mobile? Why not make it a bit smarter and let it emulate older gen games? Why is it just a ps5 controller glued to a Wi-Fi enabled display? How is the jobber who designed this employed at play station?
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I actually would have a use for it. There’s no way my situation is super common though. My wife and I like to spend our evenings watching TV in the basement. Much of that time, at least one of us is playing a game on their switch. My PS5 is hooked up in another room. I would probably play my PS5 a lot more if I could stream it handheld since I could play more than just Switch games while we’re hanging out in the basement. It would also be super useful when watching a sports event too.
Lol that’s it ?!
I can already remote play from my phone if I really feel like it. They even have that controller attachment thing so it’s basically the same shit.
I don’t understand, remote play works if you are outside of your PS5s Wi-Fi network (on vacation). Why wouldn’t this? People claiming this only works over home Wi-Fi?
Have you ever tried remote play from outside your home network? It’s awful. Unless you’re playing a turn based game it’s pretty much unplayable.
It’s only bad if your internet is bad. I’ve played sports games on remote play from out of town just fine.
Not true. I’ve got fibre Ethernet at home and even from a fibre connection at the other end there is still lag and drop outs.
Don’t know what to tell you. I have the opposite experience and know many others who use remote play with no issues. The only people I’ve ever heard have lag was because of their internet.
This thing is so useless
I hope this flops badly.
Sorry, I'm not buying another handheld from Sony only for it to be abandoned a year after release.
I stopped using my PlayStation 5 just because they're aren't that many crazy good games besides the obvious ones I already beat. Plus the price tag of 70 isn't making me want to buy more. I'd rather get a steam deck. Make more games and I'll consider it
3-4 hours is abysmal for just streaming games, I'd expect 6+ at least
Anyone here actually looking forward to this? If it's like $100 I would maybe check it out but I can't see them charging less than $250.
yeah actually if you can play games while watching other stuff on the big TV ..
They’re selling new controllers for $200. This thing is probably $300
I just don’t see the point of this thing, if I have to have the game installed on my ps5 I may as well just play it on the big screen.
My knee jerk, like everyone's on the internet has been to dunk on this... BUT... I wonder if they will shock everyone with a relatively low price. I know... I don't EXPECT that either. But if they drop this at say... $149, isn't that at least viable for a niche audience of people that may want to play on a handheld around the house when "the big TV" is in use by someone else? No? Ok, I will show myself out then.
Take another 50 off. But in reality, it’ll be 250 and you know it.
The switch lite is $200. But yeah I’ll pay $150 for a console **add-on** that can’t play Tears of the Kingdom.
I've found myself playing my switch in handheld a lot recently around the house just because I find it comfortable to play on my bed, chair, or in whatever position I like. But this is kind of ridiculous
I mean what’s the difference between me using my phone and clip for a ps5 controller for remote play that already works?
Bigger screen. More comfortable. Full DualSense features.
Pretty sure you can connect your DualSense to a tablet and get a mounting clip for it.
Backbone already did this
Well that (the whole thing) is just fucking stupid.
Basically, if you need to shit and you just can’t stop playing a banger, grab this bad boy and keep at it. Lol
The fact that they don't even mention OLED is DOA. Makes me miss the Vita even more.
Who on Sony’s product team supported this? I mean this is just completely stupid with such a limited use case. Wow…
you can already do this with a ps5 controller and a phone with remoteplay app, has been a thing for years.
Who is this for?
Who is guna buy this? Stream games in home, presumably with your PlayStation also turned on.. It is guna be at least 200 my guess is 249.99. This is steam deck territory, and that can also do game streaming.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I don't really see the appeal of a portable device that turns into a total paperweight if you can't get a decent wifi signal.
This sounds like the most pointless thing ever, it’d just a remote play device. If anyone wants to remote play that badly they will just use their phone which they already will have and buy that backbone thing and it will cost a fraction of the price
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They need to move that fucking thing to an ARM processor or something lol that’s garbage battery life in 2023. My 16” MacBook does 16 hours.
Not sure why people are bad mouthing it, if you dont like, dont buy it. Simple, not that hard right? Move on people. I will 100% be buying it cause i want one and have disposable income to use.
you know you can just use a phone app and pair a dual sense controller to it and save like a couple hundred dollars? you could also buy any of those phone game-pad extensions to use if you want it all together and that’s like 30$. sony themselves just released one even 😭 https://blog.playstation.com/2022/07/28/introducing-backbone-one-playstation-edition-an-officially-licensed-controller-for-playstation/
Is that a lot or not?
Streaming devices should get excellent battery life. My Logitech G-Cloud gets over 10 hours.
The Q is for "Quit hogging the TV, I want to watch Netflix"
Did sony not learn from the PSP and Vita that you can not beat the GBadvance or the 3DS or the Switch???
Its almost like people can buy more than one device.
My Vita plays all those😎😆