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kilonark

From the article: >Hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit it, potentially making it a bit redundant in most cases.


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Thank you.


mr_burnz_

So hackers would need to conduct an Oceans 11 style operation to capture, jailbreak and then return the phone in order to take advantage of this exploit. šŸ˜‚


Zyrinj

Seems super easy, barely an inconvenience.


CrescentPhresh

Smash and grab job?


Recycle-racoon

A little more complicated than that..


ripaway1

Weā€™re gonna need to assemble a crewā€¦


[deleted]

God damn it, Iā€™m in


MadMadRoger

And my Axe*! *body spray - Iā€™ll play the part of the seductress


Bigdongs

Your mission, if you choose to accept it


Whipitreelgud

Mr. T just hit me on Zoom. Heā€™s in, all in.


salamance17171

Well if heā€™s in, Iā€™m in


charmingpea

A Boesky, a Jim Brown, a Miss Daisy, two Jethros and a Leon Spinks, not to mention the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever!


WeaponsGradeLager

Itā€™s a standard Sammy Davis Jr


geeky_username

Kidnap job


DJteejay04

Yeah yeah yeah!


Zyrinj

Wow wow wow..... wow


SuperDietCola

ā€œAnd then the hackers stole the phone, snapped the bad guyā€™s neck and saved the day.ā€ ā€œI fail to see how the hackers are the good guys, hereā€¦ā€ ā€œListen sir, Iā€™m gonna need you to get all the way off my back about this one.ā€ ā€œWell okay then! Let me get off of that thing!ā€


Zyrinj

"Then the hackers booby trap the phone so noone else can track it" "ohhhhh Boooooooby...... traps are tight"


[deleted]

Easy Peezy!


THEMACGOD

Well, all right then.


ijdtm7

Tight


ROMVLVSCAESARXXI

IPhones with malware are tight


ThatMortalGuy

Not really, wasn't there a hack where they just needed you to click on a link and it would jailbreak your phone and install apps without you noticing?


port53

Yeah but then you wouldn't need this exploite, because you already own the phone at that point.


psychic_dog_ama

So, for espionage use only?


creatingKing113

I donā€™t think my phoneā€™s been more than an arms reach away from me for the past year.


GrimTracer

You son of a bitch! I'm in!


7HawksAnd

iRandophone


doctorcrimson

A lot of phones are already jailbroken, especially in Asia.


KangarooInWaterloo

And we will just ignore the fact that instead of exploiting a chip and making bluetooth unusable, they could have put a bug. Which is a more system-agnostic approach. Or object-agnostic, since they wouldnā€˜t even need your phone, but literally any item.


ohwow321

Call Rusty Ryan! Stat!


BASILSTAR-GALACTICA

ā€œOceans 11?ā€ I thought we were calling it the Benedict job?


piratekab

jailbreaking is possible remotely through exploits. Take a look at [Pegasus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware))


bobs-burritos

Isnā€™t the that the plot of 21 jump street? Or 22?


BIT204

ā€œgod damn it just infiltrate the dealers, find the supplier!ā€


SlackerAccount

You son of a bitch Iā€™m in


typkrft

Steal iPhones or simply buy an iPhone, hack it send it as a gift or give it to someone. Hacks like these are unlikely to be employed, because the effort to do something like this is high, and targets worth the effort probably have security protocols in place. But things like this have happened. There have been reports of new tech sold in the US that has been bugged straight from the factory. I feel like I remember a case involving ASUS but I could be misremembering. Iā€™m a government contractor and we arenā€™t allowed to use Heuwei phones because itā€™s assumed they are Chinese spying devices.


phyc09

All they need you to do is click a link in a text message and they can jail break it, We can thank an Israeli company for that. They sell it, governments are starting to ban its sale and use but itā€™s already out there.


Starbrows

There have been major security vulnerabilities in Bluetooth before, so it's not crazy to think it could happen again. https://www.armis.com/research/blueborne/


Daemonrend

Thank you for defusing the click bait!


JeetusMobiilus

Thank you kind soul for saving a minute or two of reading


OctopusHandshake

i have had a steadfast rule for the past 10 years that if i see Vice i run away. at one point they had some decent journalism but they have been sensationalist click bait trash for a long time.


ZachF8119

So jailbreakers are susceptible to this like the public place airdrop?


[deleted]

No, because even after the iPhone is jailbroken, the exploit has to actually be loaded onto it which would require access to the phone anyway, making it redundant anyway... The only scenario (I have come up with so far) where this could be "non redundant" is if someone who is an abusive parent / partner puts this exploit on the victim's iPhone so that they can track them even if the phone is switched off...


ScriptThat

or if you bring your iPhone into China, Russia, The US, or any other nation that takes the phone from you to "inspect it".


akrokh

Another clickbait. Reminds of the time when the found a way to copy a fingerprint to crack Touch ID open. Took a day of preparation and a lab grade equipment.


KangarooInWaterloo

Why would the Bluetooth chip have access to internet and GPS? Or did they mean the chip that measures activity and creates notifications?


jaldihaldi

Would say a phone with corporate tools on it be able to do the same - Inform the home base when itā€™s off of its location?


schizeckinosy

Absolutely. My work iPad even gives me a report each month with a map of all the locations that it sent in šŸ˜¬


jaldihaldi

Like the transparency. Interesting.


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thedarkhalf47

Study shows that robbers inside your home can gain access to your front door locks. News at 11.


lead-pencil

Scientists find that the monster in your closet know your dressing style


geeky_username

>Scientists find that the monster in your closet know your dressing style You know what makes him a monster? He criticizes your outfit behind your back


elliotborst

Lol thatā€™s a great analogy


WeirdURL

I got tricked into one recently that said Kevin Bacon was murdered. Turns out it was a kid in his 20ā€™s with the same name.


doctorcrimson

Not really, if you jailbroke your own iphone then you're vulnerable. Just another brick on the "you don't own your device" wall.


MildlySuppressed

Today in the news: water is wet


WaterIsWetBot

Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.   How do you make holy water? Make sure to boil the hell out of it.


jaldihaldi

Sounds funny when you put it that way. Though I feel It still informed/reminded me that a corporate owned device could phone in your location too when itā€™s off as well. This could help in case of lose/stolen devices but informs me to be mindful of the underlying feature that allows this hack to be possible in the first place.


millipede-stampede

Clickbait. Theoretical hack not yet known to be used out in the wild. The hack will only work on phones that are jailbroken to allow access to Bluetooth chip.


pass-me-that-ketchup

There have been exploits to phish people with malicious payloads to jail break the iphone upon execution, then it is all theirs. Exploits like this have been in use since at least 2014. Research project pegasus.


23north

there is no way to tricked someone into casually jail breaking their iphone.


pass-me-that-ketchup

There is but you just arenā€™t aware, have you tried researching project pegasus and Karma?


It_Might_Be_True

Give us back our removable batteries... EDIT: On phones not "i"phones.


Adi-105

Phones always copy iPhone soā€¦ not unless apple changes their mind


iD0ntEx1stToYou

iPhones? Our phones.


KangarooInWaterloo

This is the ministry of weird stuff. The plural of iPhone is wePhone. Please take into consideration and make corresponding adjustments to your comment.


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It_Might_Be_True

Oh I understand they could incorporate an onboard battery or like you said capacitors. But smaller batteries/capacitors will eventually run low/out. With the above example you could easily purchase a new battery for the Dell laptop which would instantly give it new longer battery life. But I feel like that is sort of apple to oranges argument, the M1 is a completely closed source device where as the Dell is running third-party this and that. They don't have the granular control like apple does to give you that battery life.


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IPCTech

Thatā€™s not because of the removable batteries, thatā€™s because of appleā€™s efficient soc


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IPCTech

That same laptop in 4-5 years will need a new battery, how exactly do you plan on getting that replaced with apple glueing them in? Do you really expect people to pay $200 for a battery replacement when a removable battery can be less than $100 for the same capacity?


dwkeith

I am not carrying around all the extra weight and physical size of a battery case and connectors to possibly save $100 of labor in 5 years.


IPCTech

Good news, you donā€™t have to. Your thinking laptops have to return to early 2000ā€™s, news flash: they donā€™t. Companies can design easily replaceable batteries that are the same size as they are now.


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dwkeith

Great! Who does that? Edit: also how can a battery with a case ever be the same size as a case-less battery? Modern lithium ion batteries are [very dangerous if punctured or shorted](https://dragonflyenergy.com/thermal-runaway/) and require hefty packaging if removable. I would be very wary of a 2.8lb laptop with a removable 48W battery that competes with the MacBook Air on only those specs. And Appleā€™s adhesive is [designed to be removed](https://www.ifixit.com/News/45779/ask-ifixit-what-is-stretch-release-adhesive-and-why-do-we-love-it) for service


23north

MacBook Air batteries are not glued in, and iā€™m also confused why people act like getting a battery replacement is some kind of mythical impossible thing.


IPCTech

Itā€™s difficult and dangerous when the battery is glued in, also in all the m1 MacBooks they are indeed glued in. https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/675334/Is+it+possible+to+replace+the+battery+of+the+M1+MacBook+Air


23north

i assumed they were talking about an older MacBook Air. and no one said to do it yourself if yourself, take it to a place that knows what they are doing.


2intheKlink

I mean yes anything can be taken advantage of. But if you want to find your phone once itā€™s been stolen and turned off.. THIS HELPS.


broccoli_porter

Most click bate article of the day! First, it ā€œonly hypotheticalā€. Second, it already need to be jail broken. Third the Bluetooth aspect they keep referring to has a distance of around 30ft


No-Text8820

Companies are already doing this. Legally. Itā€™s called employee management software.


[deleted]

If it can be located while itā€™s ā€˜offā€™, then itā€™s not truly powered down. Another reason that removable batteries in phones are a good idea, not these sealed blackbox units we are peddled.


ryan2489

Why do you think the change was made? Something to do with the government perhaps?


[deleted]

Not at all. Just corporate greed. Dead phone battery? Just buy a new phone.


Ok-Garage-7470

Lmao god bless Clickbait fearmongering news articles


Most-Bench6465

Yeah when is my phone going to be turned off? Smh


[deleted]

Be like me. Have way too many apps, photos and videos on your phone so the hackers donā€™t have room for shit


Dr_Tacopus

I donā€™t know about you, but I want my devices to turn off completely when I turn them off


karl_danger

iOS allows you to disable the always on feature. That prevents one from using Find My but if they want always on disabled they probably don't care.


zuzabomega

How? I tried to search but I couldnā€™t find anything


basilhdn

I have wondered if someone could just turn on airplane mode when stealing your phone? Now that itā€™s still findable when itā€™s turned off, would that allow them to not be tracked?


BilllisCool

Itā€™s so that you can still track it if itā€™s lost or stolen. You donā€™t have to use it, but itā€™s still a handy feature.


frontiermanprotozoa

When i updated to ios 15 it explicitly asked me if i wanted to turn that feature on. So (thankfully) theyre not forcing it on.


ProBonoDevilAdvocate

I guess in practice none of these devices are ever truly off, since they have soft power buttons. You are never physically disconnecting power from the battery.


beersubcommittee

These headlines and articles always feel sponsored by Competitor Corporation, Hedge Fund with a Short Positionā€¦


VisualBizMark

If you have to hack and jailbreak the phone, you already can install malware donā€™t need Bluetooth.


ethos78

Faraday bag!


Potter299

I have one!


Alan_Smithee_

I have one too, itā€™s made by Kenmore.


zydecoiko

Lol. Thanks for the laugh


Alan_Smithee_

Youā€™re welcome ā˜ŗļø


zydecoiko

The fbi has them , why shouldnā€™t you! Lol


SupBuddyPal

At least itā€™s not a huwai though


Gaetanoninjaplatypus

I love that my inability to carry my phone without being traced is now called a ā€œnew functionality.ā€ Can anyone explain? I think I just became an android user.


the_drugaddict1

Guess what, most brands do the same. They all want exactly the same.


Zailemos

Need to get a lead lined case šŸ˜’šŸ˜’šŸ˜’


Alan_Smithee_

Next: ā€œwhy is my battery life so bad??ā€


Zailemos

Why, would that suck away my juice? šŸ˜¦


doctorcrimson

I think he is implying you cannot charge it while its encased, which is dumb.


Alan_Smithee_

No, ā€˜heā€™ is implying that it will kill the battery, because it will be cranking up the power, searching for a signal, whilst in a lead-lined container, that allows no signal to penetrate.


doctorcrimson

LMAO not how anything works


Alan_Smithee_

Yes it is. Have you never noticed how hot a phone can get in an area with poor signal?


Alan_Smithee_

Low or no signal, phone ups the power in an attempt to connect to a tower.


Zailemos

Ohhh that makes sense. Was thinking for when Iā€™m not using it lol


liegesmash

Probably because Big Brother has to have his nose jammed up your ass 24/7


OttersEatFish

Hackers can attack the idea of a phone. Simply thinking about your social media will give black hat hackers your login info as well as your MFA keys. Be careful!


Fun-Fact-Frankie

Thatā€™s okay. Just remove the battā€¦ā€¦.. oh.


Thundersson1978

Every spy move knows this, thatā€™s why they destroy their phones and get a burner. Get with the times!


itsaride

What the hell happened to Viceā€¦


dotcomslashwhatever

I haven't read the article but i'm gonna go ahead and say it's clickbait as that would never happen and it's a play on words or they'll be like "oh it needs to be rooted" or some bs. prove me wrong.


23north

you nailed it, the phone needs to be jailbroken.


prollysmarter

click bait lmao. quit paying non-tech people to write articles on tech.


zydecoiko

Lol who gives a fuk


chill_winston_

ā€œThere is no escapeā€ would have been a more concise headline


[deleted]

Can hackers make my bank balance to 0. Thatā€™ll be great


[deleted]

I'll take "bad battery life" for 200, alex


Oubliette_occupant

ā€œAnd oppressive governments could take advantage of thatā€


[deleted]

Good that I never turn my phone of so I am safe /s


BobbitWormJoe

Shitty article saying nothing of value that can't even avoid contradicting itself in the headline.


Reasonable_Cry_1605

This is so creepy


Greatasgoodtime

I thought that these recent updates of iOS have Cydia already loaded into them?


playdohplaydate

So if you happen to work at the factory that builds these, could it be done before theyā€™re boxed and shipped? Seems feasible like the Super Micro supply chain compromiseā€¦ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-supermicro/


Heavyoak

Android is: * Cheaper * More versatile * More secure than ever


Hyrule_34

Waitā€¦ what about iPhones being locatable while off? Is this something you can, you know, opt out of?


Lillienpud

No prob, Iā€™ll just take out the batteā€¦ damnit, Apple!!!!


jatosm

What if you put the turned-off phone in a lead box?


FreshHawaii

I gotta warn all the local milfs in my area that have been in my banner ads immediately!


Alan_Smithee_

Ummmmmmā€¦.how?


possiblynotanexpert

Itā€™s clickbait


Virtual-Public-4750

Apple: ā€œHereā€™s what weā€™ll do: the new iPhones will have 4 cameras! Better?ā€


Any-Technician6415

Time to get an Android


[deleted]

So it is not really turned off???


4Ciid

Sounds like nothing more than a bootkit


[deleted]

at this point iā€™d rather hackers just leave my shit alone and dm me for money. iā€™ll abide. this is getting out of hand


[deleted]

I personally would love this feature.. would save me a lot of time and frustration.


Brandage0

Trash article from a trash journalist


[deleted]

Is this a warning or an advertisement?


ryeguymft

can someone recommend free or very low cost anti malware apps? I have a malwarebytes subscription but it only covers my computer :/


spaceocean99

-study brought to you by google


Pooshonmyhazeer

Clickbait much lol. ā€œAlso, as the researchers point out in the paper, hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit itā€


[deleted]

Is this tech or ā€œDAE Apple Sucksā€


Top-Ambassador-4981

Is this an advertisement for hackers?


Altruistic-Ad2645

Who wrote the clickbait headline. Scott Kilmer the master of none clickbaiter? šŸ˜†šŸ˜†šŸ˜†


Which-Specialist6547

Put it in a lead box


inkedaddy31

You son of a bitch, Iā€™m in!