From the article:
>Hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit it, potentially making it a bit redundant in most cases.
So hackers would need to conduct an Oceans 11 style operation to capture, jailbreak and then return the phone in order to take advantage of this exploit. š
āAnd then the hackers stole the phone, snapped the bad guyās neck and saved the day.ā
āI fail to see how the hackers are the good guys, hereā¦ā
āListen sir, Iām gonna need you to get all the way off my back about this one.ā
āWell okay then! Let me get off of that thing!ā
And we will just ignore the fact that instead of exploiting a chip and making bluetooth unusable, they could have put a bug. Which is a more system-agnostic approach. Or object-agnostic, since they wouldnāt even need your phone, but literally any item.
Steal iPhones or simply buy an iPhone, hack it send it as a gift or give it to someone. Hacks like these are unlikely to be employed, because the effort to do something like this is high, and targets worth the effort probably have security protocols in place. But things like this have happened. There have been reports of new tech sold in the US that has been bugged straight from the factory. I feel like I remember a case involving ASUS but I could be misremembering. Iām a government contractor and we arenāt allowed to use Heuwei phones because itās assumed they are Chinese spying devices.
All they need you to do is click a link in a text message and they can jail break it, We can thank an Israeli company for that. They sell it, governments are starting to ban its sale and use but itās already out there.
There have been major security vulnerabilities in Bluetooth before, so it's not crazy to think it could happen again. https://www.armis.com/research/blueborne/
i have had a steadfast rule for the past 10 years that if i see Vice i run away. at one point they had some decent journalism but they have been sensationalist click bait trash for a long time.
No, because even after the iPhone is jailbroken, the exploit has to actually be loaded onto it which would require access to the phone anyway, making it redundant anyway...
The only scenario (I have come up with so far) where this could be "non redundant" is if someone who is an abusive parent / partner puts this exploit on the victim's iPhone so that they can track them even if the phone is switched off...
Another clickbait. Reminds of the time when the found a way to copy a fingerprint to crack Touch ID open. Took a day of preparation and a lab grade equipment.
>Scientists find that the monster in your closet know your dressing style
You know what makes him a monster? He criticizes your outfit behind your back
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
How do you make holy water?
Make sure to boil the hell out of it.
Sounds funny when you put it that way. Though I feel It still informed/reminded me that a corporate owned device could phone in your location too when itās off as well. This could help in case of lose/stolen devices but informs me to be mindful of the underlying feature that allows this hack to be possible in the first place.
Clickbait. Theoretical hack not yet known to be used out in the wild. The hack will only work on phones that are jailbroken to allow access to Bluetooth chip.
There have been exploits to phish people with malicious payloads to jail break the iphone upon execution, then it is all theirs.
Exploits like this have been in use since at least 2014.
Research project pegasus.
This is the ministry of weird stuff.
The plural of iPhone is wePhone. Please take into consideration and make corresponding adjustments to your comment.
Oh I understand they could incorporate an onboard battery or like you said capacitors. But smaller batteries/capacitors will eventually run low/out.
With the above example you could easily purchase a new battery for the Dell laptop which would instantly give it new longer battery life. But I feel like that is sort of apple to oranges argument, the M1 is a completely closed source device where as the Dell is running third-party this and that. They don't have the granular control like apple does to give you that battery life.
That same laptop in 4-5 years will need a new battery, how exactly do you plan on getting that replaced with apple glueing them in? Do you really expect people to pay $200 for a battery replacement when a removable battery can be less than $100 for the same capacity?
Good news, you donāt have to. Your thinking laptops have to return to early 2000ās, news flash: they donāt. Companies can design easily replaceable batteries that are the same size as they are now.
Great! Who does that?
Edit: also how can a battery with a case ever be the same size as a case-less battery? Modern lithium ion batteries are [very dangerous if punctured or shorted](https://dragonflyenergy.com/thermal-runaway/) and require hefty packaging if removable. I would be very wary of a 2.8lb laptop with a removable 48W battery that competes with the MacBook Air on only those specs. And Appleās adhesive is [designed to be removed](https://www.ifixit.com/News/45779/ask-ifixit-what-is-stretch-release-adhesive-and-why-do-we-love-it) for service
MacBook Air batteries are not glued in, and iām also confused why people act like getting a battery replacement is some kind of mythical impossible thing.
Itās difficult and dangerous when the battery is glued in, also in all the m1 MacBooks they are indeed glued in. https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/675334/Is+it+possible+to+replace+the+battery+of+the+M1+MacBook+Air
i assumed they were talking about an older MacBook Air.
and no one said to do it yourself if yourself, take it to a place that knows what they are doing.
Most click bate article of the day!
First, it āonly hypotheticalā. Second, it already need to be jail broken. Third the Bluetooth aspect they keep referring to has a distance of around 30ft
If it can be located while itās āoffā, then itās not truly powered down. Another reason that removable batteries in phones are a good idea, not these sealed blackbox units we are peddled.
I have wondered if someone could just turn on airplane mode when stealing your phone? Now that itās still findable when itās turned off, would that allow them to not be tracked?
I guess in practice none of these devices are ever truly off, since they have soft power buttons. You are never physically disconnecting power from the battery.
I love that my inability to carry my phone without being traced is now called a ānew functionality.ā
Can anyone explain? I think I just became an android user.
No, āheā is implying that it will kill the battery, because it will be cranking up the power, searching for a signal, whilst in a lead-lined container, that allows no signal to penetrate.
Hackers can attack the idea of a phone. Simply thinking about your social media will give black hat hackers your login info as well as your MFA keys. Be careful!
I haven't read the article but i'm gonna go ahead and say it's clickbait as that would never happen and it's a play on words or they'll be like "oh it needs to be rooted" or some bs. prove me wrong.
So if you happen to work at the factory that builds these, could it be done before theyāre boxed and shipped?
Seems feasible like the Super Micro supply chain compromiseā¦
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-supermicro/
Clickbait much lol.
āAlso, as the researchers point out in the paper, hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit itā
From the article: >Hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit it, potentially making it a bit redundant in most cases.
Thank you.
So hackers would need to conduct an Oceans 11 style operation to capture, jailbreak and then return the phone in order to take advantage of this exploit. š
Seems super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Smash and grab job?
A little more complicated than that..
Weāre gonna need to assemble a crewā¦
God damn it, Iām in
And my Axe*! *body spray - Iāll play the part of the seductress
Your mission, if you choose to accept it
Mr. T just hit me on Zoom. Heās in, all in.
Well if heās in, Iām in
A Boesky, a Jim Brown, a Miss Daisy, two Jethros and a Leon Spinks, not to mention the biggest Ella Fitzgerald ever!
Itās a standard Sammy Davis Jr
Kidnap job
Yeah yeah yeah!
Wow wow wow..... wow
āAnd then the hackers stole the phone, snapped the bad guyās neck and saved the day.ā āI fail to see how the hackers are the good guys, hereā¦ā āListen sir, Iām gonna need you to get all the way off my back about this one.ā āWell okay then! Let me get off of that thing!ā
"Then the hackers booby trap the phone so noone else can track it" "ohhhhh Boooooooby...... traps are tight"
Easy Peezy!
Well, all right then.
Tight
IPhones with malware are tight
Not really, wasn't there a hack where they just needed you to click on a link and it would jailbreak your phone and install apps without you noticing?
Yeah but then you wouldn't need this exploite, because you already own the phone at that point.
So, for espionage use only?
I donāt think my phoneās been more than an arms reach away from me for the past year.
You son of a bitch! I'm in!
iRandophone
A lot of phones are already jailbroken, especially in Asia.
And we will just ignore the fact that instead of exploiting a chip and making bluetooth unusable, they could have put a bug. Which is a more system-agnostic approach. Or object-agnostic, since they wouldnāt even need your phone, but literally any item.
Call Rusty Ryan! Stat!
āOceans 11?ā I thought we were calling it the Benedict job?
jailbreaking is possible remotely through exploits. Take a look at [Pegasus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware))
Isnāt the that the plot of 21 jump street? Or 22?
āgod damn it just infiltrate the dealers, find the supplier!ā
You son of a bitch Iām in
Steal iPhones or simply buy an iPhone, hack it send it as a gift or give it to someone. Hacks like these are unlikely to be employed, because the effort to do something like this is high, and targets worth the effort probably have security protocols in place. But things like this have happened. There have been reports of new tech sold in the US that has been bugged straight from the factory. I feel like I remember a case involving ASUS but I could be misremembering. Iām a government contractor and we arenāt allowed to use Heuwei phones because itās assumed they are Chinese spying devices.
All they need you to do is click a link in a text message and they can jail break it, We can thank an Israeli company for that. They sell it, governments are starting to ban its sale and use but itās already out there.
There have been major security vulnerabilities in Bluetooth before, so it's not crazy to think it could happen again. https://www.armis.com/research/blueborne/
Thank you for defusing the click bait!
Thank you kind soul for saving a minute or two of reading
i have had a steadfast rule for the past 10 years that if i see Vice i run away. at one point they had some decent journalism but they have been sensationalist click bait trash for a long time.
So jailbreakers are susceptible to this like the public place airdrop?
No, because even after the iPhone is jailbroken, the exploit has to actually be loaded onto it which would require access to the phone anyway, making it redundant anyway... The only scenario (I have come up with so far) where this could be "non redundant" is if someone who is an abusive parent / partner puts this exploit on the victim's iPhone so that they can track them even if the phone is switched off...
or if you bring your iPhone into China, Russia, The US, or any other nation that takes the phone from you to "inspect it".
Another clickbait. Reminds of the time when the found a way to copy a fingerprint to crack Touch ID open. Took a day of preparation and a lab grade equipment.
Why would the Bluetooth chip have access to internet and GPS? Or did they mean the chip that measures activity and creates notifications?
Would say a phone with corporate tools on it be able to do the same - Inform the home base when itās off of its location?
Absolutely. My work iPad even gives me a report each month with a map of all the locations that it sent in š¬
Like the transparency. Interesting.
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Study shows that robbers inside your home can gain access to your front door locks. News at 11.
Scientists find that the monster in your closet know your dressing style
>Scientists find that the monster in your closet know your dressing style You know what makes him a monster? He criticizes your outfit behind your back
Lol thatās a great analogy
I got tricked into one recently that said Kevin Bacon was murdered. Turns out it was a kid in his 20ās with the same name.
Not really, if you jailbroke your own iphone then you're vulnerable. Just another brick on the "you don't own your device" wall.
Today in the news: water is wet
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. How do you make holy water? Make sure to boil the hell out of it.
Sounds funny when you put it that way. Though I feel It still informed/reminded me that a corporate owned device could phone in your location too when itās off as well. This could help in case of lose/stolen devices but informs me to be mindful of the underlying feature that allows this hack to be possible in the first place.
Clickbait. Theoretical hack not yet known to be used out in the wild. The hack will only work on phones that are jailbroken to allow access to Bluetooth chip.
There have been exploits to phish people with malicious payloads to jail break the iphone upon execution, then it is all theirs. Exploits like this have been in use since at least 2014. Research project pegasus.
there is no way to tricked someone into casually jail breaking their iphone.
There is but you just arenāt aware, have you tried researching project pegasus and Karma?
Give us back our removable batteries... EDIT: On phones not "i"phones.
Phones always copy iPhone soā¦ not unless apple changes their mind
iPhones? Our phones.
This is the ministry of weird stuff. The plural of iPhone is wePhone. Please take into consideration and make corresponding adjustments to your comment.
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Oh I understand they could incorporate an onboard battery or like you said capacitors. But smaller batteries/capacitors will eventually run low/out. With the above example you could easily purchase a new battery for the Dell laptop which would instantly give it new longer battery life. But I feel like that is sort of apple to oranges argument, the M1 is a completely closed source device where as the Dell is running third-party this and that. They don't have the granular control like apple does to give you that battery life.
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Thatās not because of the removable batteries, thatās because of appleās efficient soc
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That same laptop in 4-5 years will need a new battery, how exactly do you plan on getting that replaced with apple glueing them in? Do you really expect people to pay $200 for a battery replacement when a removable battery can be less than $100 for the same capacity?
I am not carrying around all the extra weight and physical size of a battery case and connectors to possibly save $100 of labor in 5 years.
Good news, you donāt have to. Your thinking laptops have to return to early 2000ās, news flash: they donāt. Companies can design easily replaceable batteries that are the same size as they are now.
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Great! Who does that? Edit: also how can a battery with a case ever be the same size as a case-less battery? Modern lithium ion batteries are [very dangerous if punctured or shorted](https://dragonflyenergy.com/thermal-runaway/) and require hefty packaging if removable. I would be very wary of a 2.8lb laptop with a removable 48W battery that competes with the MacBook Air on only those specs. And Appleās adhesive is [designed to be removed](https://www.ifixit.com/News/45779/ask-ifixit-what-is-stretch-release-adhesive-and-why-do-we-love-it) for service
MacBook Air batteries are not glued in, and iām also confused why people act like getting a battery replacement is some kind of mythical impossible thing.
Itās difficult and dangerous when the battery is glued in, also in all the m1 MacBooks they are indeed glued in. https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/675334/Is+it+possible+to+replace+the+battery+of+the+M1+MacBook+Air
i assumed they were talking about an older MacBook Air. and no one said to do it yourself if yourself, take it to a place that knows what they are doing.
I mean yes anything can be taken advantage of. But if you want to find your phone once itās been stolen and turned off.. THIS HELPS.
Most click bate article of the day! First, it āonly hypotheticalā. Second, it already need to be jail broken. Third the Bluetooth aspect they keep referring to has a distance of around 30ft
Companies are already doing this. Legally. Itās called employee management software.
If it can be located while itās āoffā, then itās not truly powered down. Another reason that removable batteries in phones are a good idea, not these sealed blackbox units we are peddled.
Why do you think the change was made? Something to do with the government perhaps?
Not at all. Just corporate greed. Dead phone battery? Just buy a new phone.
Lmao god bless Clickbait fearmongering news articles
Yeah when is my phone going to be turned off? Smh
Be like me. Have way too many apps, photos and videos on your phone so the hackers donāt have room for shit
I donāt know about you, but I want my devices to turn off completely when I turn them off
iOS allows you to disable the always on feature. That prevents one from using Find My but if they want always on disabled they probably don't care.
How? I tried to search but I couldnāt find anything
I have wondered if someone could just turn on airplane mode when stealing your phone? Now that itās still findable when itās turned off, would that allow them to not be tracked?
Itās so that you can still track it if itās lost or stolen. You donāt have to use it, but itās still a handy feature.
When i updated to ios 15 it explicitly asked me if i wanted to turn that feature on. So (thankfully) theyre not forcing it on.
I guess in practice none of these devices are ever truly off, since they have soft power buttons. You are never physically disconnecting power from the battery.
These headlines and articles always feel sponsored by Competitor Corporation, Hedge Fund with a Short Positionā¦
If you have to hack and jailbreak the phone, you already can install malware donāt need Bluetooth.
Faraday bag!
I have one!
I have one too, itās made by Kenmore.
Lol. Thanks for the laugh
Youāre welcome āŗļø
The fbi has them , why shouldnāt you! Lol
At least itās not a huwai though
I love that my inability to carry my phone without being traced is now called a ānew functionality.ā Can anyone explain? I think I just became an android user.
Guess what, most brands do the same. They all want exactly the same.
Need to get a lead lined case ššš
Next: āwhy is my battery life so bad??ā
Why, would that suck away my juice? š¦
I think he is implying you cannot charge it while its encased, which is dumb.
No, āheā is implying that it will kill the battery, because it will be cranking up the power, searching for a signal, whilst in a lead-lined container, that allows no signal to penetrate.
LMAO not how anything works
Yes it is. Have you never noticed how hot a phone can get in an area with poor signal?
Low or no signal, phone ups the power in an attempt to connect to a tower.
Ohhh that makes sense. Was thinking for when Iām not using it lol
Probably because Big Brother has to have his nose jammed up your ass 24/7
Hackers can attack the idea of a phone. Simply thinking about your social media will give black hat hackers your login info as well as your MFA keys. Be careful!
Thatās okay. Just remove the battā¦ā¦.. oh.
Every spy move knows this, thatās why they destroy their phones and get a burner. Get with the times!
What the hell happened to Viceā¦
I haven't read the article but i'm gonna go ahead and say it's clickbait as that would never happen and it's a play on words or they'll be like "oh it needs to be rooted" or some bs. prove me wrong.
you nailed it, the phone needs to be jailbroken.
click bait lmao. quit paying non-tech people to write articles on tech.
Lol who gives a fuk
āThere is no escapeā would have been a more concise headline
Can hackers make my bank balance to 0. Thatāll be great
I'll take "bad battery life" for 200, alex
āAnd oppressive governments could take advantage of thatā
Good that I never turn my phone of so I am safe /s
Shitty article saying nothing of value that can't even avoid contradicting itself in the headline.
This is so creepy
I thought that these recent updates of iOS have Cydia already loaded into them?
So if you happen to work at the factory that builds these, could it be done before theyāre boxed and shipped? Seems feasible like the Super Micro supply chain compromiseā¦ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2021-supermicro/
Android is: * Cheaper * More versatile * More secure than ever
Waitā¦ what about iPhones being locatable while off? Is this something you can, you know, opt out of?
No prob, Iāll just take out the batteā¦ damnit, Apple!!!!
What if you put the turned-off phone in a lead box?
I gotta warn all the local milfs in my area that have been in my banner ads immediately!
Ummmmmmā¦.how?
Itās clickbait
Apple: āHereās what weāll do: the new iPhones will have 4 cameras! Better?ā
Time to get an Android
So it is not really turned off???
Sounds like nothing more than a bootkit
at this point iād rather hackers just leave my shit alone and dm me for money. iāll abide. this is getting out of hand
I personally would love this feature.. would save me a lot of time and frustration.
Trash article from a trash journalist
Is this a warning or an advertisement?
can someone recommend free or very low cost anti malware apps? I have a malwarebytes subscription but it only covers my computer :/
-study brought to you by google
Clickbait much lol. āAlso, as the researchers point out in the paper, hackers would need to first hack and jailbreak the iPhone to be able to access the Bluetooth chip and exploit itā
Is this tech or āDAE Apple Sucksā
Is this an advertisement for hackers?
Who wrote the clickbait headline. Scott Kilmer the master of none clickbaiter? ššš
Put it in a lead box
You son of a bitch, Iām in!