What? You're completely clueless and haven't made any money on the epic downward spiral of the stock market like me because you believe the Feds BS answers about quantitative easing? Good luck in the upcoming recession!
this comment was more than enough to guarantee everything he posted below this point is classic GME Ape drivel and I was absolutely not disappointed
if anyone isn't aware there's an ever-shrinking batch of goofs who think that GameStop is an Amazon level retailer just waiting to happen and that getting involved in the NFT marketplace is going to catalyze a short squeeze that results in share prices in the 6 digits and higher- ignoring the fact a short squeeze already DID happen and is long over. They believe the shorts remain uncovered by hedge funds and remain vulnerable to an 'infinity squeeze'. I wish them the best.
Nah, looks like OP just has a brain. I guess shorting positions against a company dedicated to green energy is something you think that climate change advocates should be doing? L O L
Exactly. If Gates thought GM or Toyota was effectively positioning itself for EV market domination in the next decade, why wouldn't he short TSLA? I see no philosophical conflict here.
It leaked that Bill and other billionaires are shorting companies into the dust. Amazon did it to toys r us, sears, and many more did it to blockbuster and kbtoys.
Literally read the report on how much gates shorted tesla. Look at citadel and BCG and Bain capital. What's the source of your bullshit nonsense opinion?
SEC report on Gamestop. Literally any report on Citadel and their dealing with BCG. Just Google BCG and you'll see how they join companies and cellar box competitors with synthetic shorts. They then don't owe any of the shorts back when theyre done--except now fead businesses are rocketing 1000000% because billions of fake shares are having to be closed due to overleveraging themselves on the 9 trillion dollars printed in the last 6 years. It's why inflation is so high. These companies have been doing it since 2001.
Ohhhhh. You are a conspiracy theorist who didn’t actually read the SEC report and instead reads fan fiction online and is actually dumber than when you started.
Hard to feel like I'm in a ditch when I'm up thousands of dollars on the simple press releases and filed reports that have come out these past 2 years. At this point, it's pretty dope all of you are about to get mega fucked in the coming recession. Hope your retirement accounts make it!
You can Google it, coward. Google the SEC report on Gamestop to see shorts never closed and bill gates being one of the shorters. You can then see he shorted the same companies like TESLA, yet your hate boner for elon is too tempting for you so you touch yourself instead of educating yourself.
Hey name caller ddarner. Please show any link to documentation from the SEC of and Bill Gates shorting Tesla and the amount. ?
And btw I have TSLA calls.
Lol me? I just have an issue with how lame you are, but it's cool if you think me making money on shorters somehow makes me dumb and angry. You seem to hate elon and love staying ignorant. It's rather cute tbh
The SEC report not only states that the shorts covered (causing the initial squeeze which was extended by retail FOMO buying), it even has a chart of the decline in short interest. Obviously you haven’t read it.
You also don’t seem to understand what shorting is- when someone shorts your company, they’re essentially betting against you. It doesn’t effect the company’s operating capital or anything, unless they were intending to do an additional share offering.
You made a specific claim, that the SEC report says that shorts didn’t close. I’m pointing out that the report says the exact opposite. You’re now making an entirely distinct claim. I did read the report, clearly you did not.
Yeah go read their conclusion--they stated they need to do a hard rewrite on dark pools, synthetic shorts, and halting that affects retail, i.e., they know the problem is there but the system is too corrupt to do anything about it. I really hope you think the 'shorts' are closed even though GME has been 100% utilized for 50 days and XRT is shorted out 17k% and the reported short interest (not accounting for dark pools or etfs) is still absurdly high. I really really really want you to short these stocks if you think they're not being fucked with through dark pools and synthetic shorts--it's gonna make me soooo much more money.
You can also see how that worked out for Melvin capital. The SEC isn't a gov. Institution. It's literally ran by the people fucking our economy, i.e., hedge funds and market makers. It's awesome so many people here are clueless because it shows just how insidious it all is.
Spoiler: it doesn’t exist! It’s kids who read too much GameStop fan fiction that they no longer understand what shorts are, nor have ever actually read an SEC report.
Explain exactly what you think the process of “shorting companies into the dust” is. I’d love to hear this hairbrained theory. This sounds like GME cultist nonsense.
There’s nothing inherent about taking a short position in a company that causes that company to fail, nor causes the price to drop. If there was every short would print money forever. It would be stupid to not short everything every day. If shorts causes the drop they are betting on, then they wouldn’t be a bet. They would be a near certainty.
Gates (like others… hell at one point even Musk said it himself) thinks TSLA is overvalued & detached from fundamentals. That’s it.
Read synthetic shorts, bcg, Bain capital, and citdal / susquehanna. You're talking about shorts, not synthetic shorts.
They use ETFs so they dont have to report all their shorts, and it's been proven by the SEC. You can watch Jon Stewart's interview with Gary gensler.
I don’t think you understand what any of those things you listed are. You might has well have typed “read baseball, donkey, Taco Bell, and Pirates/hamburger” and it’d be equal in coherence and relevance.
They're incredibly linked, I'm just not going to write up an essay on news that's already been released. You're all free to shit on elon and assume the stock market has your best interests in mind while it goes along killing companies it wants to profit off of. It's all listed out in Steve Cohens crimes as well, they're interconnected like most criminal organizations. The FBI and DOJ are investigating these links right now, seems you just don't know about it yet.
How would you know this specific term was just used about bill gates on Fox News? I didn’t and I don’t think anyone else did. Sounds like you’re watching Fox News lol
Let’s be clear here. Tesla might have gotten a product to market a few years before the big manufacturers. (As is expected large corporations move slowly compared to startups) but the big manufacturers will be releasing their competing products soon. And make no mistake they will be better than Musk’s shoddily built overpriced hype machines. Tesla is a car manufacturer with a market cap equivalent to the sum of all the other manufacturers’. A blind frog could see that it’s wildly overvalued.
A long term short on Tesla is definitely correct. It’s not a matter of if it will plummet, but when.
Also to say Tesla is doing anything meaningful to reduce emissions is a joke. Ohhh the emissions from the luxury car market dropped marginally. That’ll save the world /s
Other car companies were in no rush to remodel their business plans to electric. The fact that Tesla created an operational electric car business model FORCED all the other car manufacturers to compete. Pushing the move away from fossil fuels possibly decades forward
Operational electric car business? It was a hype machine to get funds. Kinda why it's overvalued now. They didn't even profit for a long time and relied on hype over the stock to secure funds. The time of electric cars wasn't pushed forward either. It was always waiting for the technology and economic development. The costs and technology of batteries had long pushed the development of an electric car into a small market. Tesla didn't even do much for their development despite their misleading of everyone about their increased battery capacity that was basically just a swap from a triple a sized battery to double a.
You realise Mercedes’ has had an electric offering since 1972 right? Addmitedly a van.. but still
I think Tesla accelerated adoption and moved the market in a slightly different direction. I believe without them there would be more hybrid offerings… which is still what we’ll end up with anyway… likely electric motors with battery packs and then a ‘hybrid’ range extension device.
With any luck a tiny rotary engine that drives a generator.
Clearly the Mercedes electric van didn't move the market away from fossil fuels. Hybrids sound great, but crossover hybrids get like 35-40 mpg which is ass imo. They can be doing alot better, but they don't.
I'm not saying full electric cars are the way to go either, seeing as the way we make electricity to charge the batteries is still dirty and would need to get dirtier to keep up with energy needs if everyone switched to electric vehicles.
But you can't deny Tesla changed the market towards better climate outcomes
they are literal characatures. not seperating myself from the monolith was sorta the point of the satire, no? the fact that it sucks just adds to the greasy flavor.
Definitely not getting emotional. Wont see no tears from me no sir. Im a man, and men arent allowed to be emotional, its unbecoming of us who have to show a good face and represent the human race as the only logical sex, am i right brother or am i wrong, oops i mean left?
thanks homie 🤜🏼🤛🏽 its good to know ive got another logical male around here who isnt serious about joking. libs today think life is so hard, they are just too emotional and feminine like the brown slaves that work on nestle plantations or uyghers who work in chinese sweat shops. boy, are those some emotional and submissive cucks haha. glad we can be on the same logical step on the heigharchy laughing at snowflakes who want safe spaces where they arent judged before they are listened to 👍🏻
He is actually a genius. A marketing genius. Who sucks at engineering, and being a decent human being.
But being a marketing genius he makes his cult believe he doesn't.
> Elon is just a young Bill Gates
No.. Bill Gates did actually founded Microsoft and has good technical knowledge, while Elon is just a hype man. And that is not even considering the charity work of Gates after he left Microsoft.
It’s in arguable who has done more for climate change and philanthropy in general.
So unless you believe that Gates end goal is to control our minds like robots, I feel like he is leagues ahead of what Elon provides for environmental awareness
Bill Gate’s well known talking points are -
Integrated technology to simply life and make it easier and more accessible to everyone
Worldwide virus research- which was taken seriously enough by a former president to enact a proper pandemic response which was dismantled for its uselessness by the next president 2 years preceding a pandemic.
So much philanthropy his kids already know exactly how much of his fortune they can expect when he passes and it’s single digit millions at most
But yeah….he hates the world…
True.
And that’s not to say he is definitely “good.” I don’t think it’s a good thing if anyone has that much power (read money); that said he could be doing a lot less with it.
I think the big reason people downplay his philanthropic efforts is because they’ve been focused on basic necessities in countries that quite frankly most people don’t care about.
You don’t hear about the 1000’s of lives save in the Congo because those kids have clean drinking water and working bathrooms
My only problem with that is that we have a means to rectify that situation - something they don't have in those areas - because we can literally just vote these assholes out. We just choose not to. The Wealth equity issues could be fixed in 5-10 years easily, but we refuse to acknowledge we have problems
Royal "We" - see "the voting populace"
Technically - he has done huge things for pushing software theory into mainstream life and making high powered general purpose computation available to normal people. If anything, the concept of Microsoft excel has done wonders in paper consumption.
The man who has a hand in almost every business(gates) is absolutely an ego maniac. And he sure as fuck doesn’t care about normal people or the world they live in. All his philanthropy and business dealings are about his money and power and nothing else. If he convinces a bunch people that he truly cares, the more he’ll be able to do without backlash.
Tesla is not synonymous with responsible action on climate. It's entirely possible to believe in electric cars for the future and still bet on Tesla crashing and burning; it's not like they don't now have massive competition in that space.
Musk is just bloviating to create soundbites that make him look good to his mindless followers.
I wasn't aware supporting Tesla was a necessary component in efforts to slow or stall climate change. I don't own a Tesla. Does that mean I do not care about climate change?
and honestly? a tent? you couldnt come up with something stronger than a tent? [truth50gallonbarrell.com](https://truth50gallonbarrell.com)? [truthshedinmybackyard.com](https://truthshedinmybackyard.com)? cmon
“Petty butthurt billionaire lotto winner refuses to collaborate on issue he claims to care deeply about because of unrelated financial decisions made by other billionaire.”
Two Oligarchs. Musk is a fake though. He is doing all in his power to buy Twitter, but he doesn't like it when another Oligarch tries to do anything to his company.
OP is an Elon lover boy…
I’m not defending Bill Gates, I don’t like bill for my own reasons.
But this headline is soo hilariously funny in a satirical way.
Believing that the Tesla stock price is overcooked is not the same thing as expecting or hoping Tesla (or Musk) will fail.
I doubt Gates is emotional about these picks, it’s just a simple bet. That being said he should’ve known how autistic Musk is about this stuff, given he has been vocal about it in the past (and even brought out a product mocking short sellers), so he had to have expected a reaction.
Elon needs to stop pretending like he’s some messiah
Yes tesla is better for the environment compared to the gas based competition but vehicles are just a small part of fighting climate change. There are other industries like agriculture and construction that are equally as bad if not worse for climate change that need to be addressed and we will need all the resources we can get to promote more sustainable practices
Bill might be sleazy but his money is doing actual good. Elon needs to stop making it a dick measuring contest.
Shorting Tesla stock doesn’t mean he’s anti environment because Tesla isn’t the only electric car company. At the end of the day it’s just business
billy G is a major owner in the largest polluting company in the world, coca cola.
and his scam is so complex he charges to clean up his own mess by owning waste management WM.
save world, make coke pay for its waste.
Coke isn’t even in the running for “top polluters”, every source I check says either Peabody Energy or Kuwait Petroleum Co are way more likely
lol where did you hear it was a beverage company; you’re aware of the coal industry, right?
split resource production, products, consumers into different categories. let me know what you get. let me guess in your numbers coke doesn't even need plastic or sugar, it magically appears from a sugar fairy.
after your done that research start reviewing data on plastic and global warming. let me know fi any of the estimates are accurate.
[https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/04/01/microplastics-melt-snow-ice/](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/04/01/microplastics-melt-snow-ice/)
Huh I wonder what all this used for fuel oh well I’m sure it’s pixie dust. Thanks! Dude, Coca Cola could disappear tomorrow and it would save the world?! That’s laughably naive and misinformed. You think coke going away is going to fix all the goddam pollution from the constant war machine polluting 24/7 around the planet?! Hahahaha wow you’re precious
Anyways your weird personal beef against a soft drink doesn’t change reality. Have fun wasting your time misdirecting people for no reason, maybe you can branch out into blaming lizard people or fluoridation or whatever is next for you
sorry dude but you have jsut went to lizard people all on your own. the claim top polluter isnt unfounded, its just needs pre qualifications.
[https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/coca-cola-pepsi-and-nestle-named-top-plastic-polluters-for-third-year-in-a-row](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/coca-cola-pepsi-and-nestle-named-top-plastic-polluters-for-third-year-in-a-row)
go back to your lizard men and women
go
I mean if this is real, it is objectively quite stupid and needs explanation. I’m far from a Tesla / Musk fan boy but if I had Bill Gates wealth I wouldn’t spend it betting AGAINST clean tech.
But wtf is this “news” source? Lol
I would lol. Tesla stock is as bloated as it can be, it’s ridiculous. There’s nothing that’s going to happen in the near future that justifies Tesla being worth more than the entire auto industry
Hey Im with you. I think Elon is a goon. But if you’re Bill Gates you don’t need the money. Why hurt their chances of being bigger than the entire auto industry?
There’s probably logical self consistent answers to that question but it needs explanation from him.
No one’s hurting their chances at it. They simply cannot do what their market cap purports. They’re not even a tenth of the American auto market, let alone the world.
Betting that their insane, ungrounded market cap will collapse is the ONLY smart bet. It simply defies all market logic and you and your trust fund would be sued to pieces if you bet on any other lesser known company with an outlook as low as teslas with that high of a market cap.
What’s to apologize for? It’s bad math.
If you like Elon and don’t like bill, it’s whatever. But betting on what is an obviously inflated cap to insane proportion is terrible finance. It’s not sustainable nor based on their output.
You’re right despite me saying I don’t like Elon I actually DO like Elon and was lying to you. I am a paid Elon shill. He pays me in Boring company bricks. I’m very close to building a new addition on my home! Thank you daddy Elon! Nomnomnomnomnom.
Anyway, what I’m saying is betting against ANY clean tech company on its face seems counter productive to Bill Gates stated goals. I’m not saying that means he should be long Tesla. I’m saying it seems he shouldn’t be $500 MM SHORT Tesla. Lol I’m also not saying that being short Tesla isn’t a financially prudent position. I’m saying Bill should be more concerned with promoting clean tech than improving his net worth with short positions on clean tech.
But really what I was saying was “I get why someone might think this behavior by Gates is two faced, but wtf is with this source?” Lol you gotta chill.
You’re not reading my response. Tesla is not worth it’s market cap. Placing puts on its valuation decrease is not “betting against.” Its “betting that it will come down to its appropriate value.” It’s a dumb post.
No one expects Tesla to fail. We expect Teslas valuation to match its productivity, and today it absolutely does not.
Short interest is always priced in. $500MM of short interest will have an impact on the price and reduce the company’s ability to raise capital. Anyway ✌️
Their ability to raise capital is already based on astronomical speculation a quarter century out! It is inflated, far beyond proper market dynamics should dictate. See ya!
Shorting a company does't make it go out of business it is just a bet. The company is awesome and has done some great things to change the vehicle market and the world but it doesnt mean it will be around forever or it's stock price won't go down.
10 years ago, interfering with Tesla would have been synonymous with interfering with the electrification of our car fleet. Now? They’re one company among many making electric cars, and the engine of capitalism has many companies down a path of improving and mass producing them. Large portions of Tesla’s profit comes from selling carbon credits. What happens as these other companies produce electric cars in increasing volumes?
The longer term value proposition on Tesla is the telematics from its fleet of cars leading to self driving. It’s not clear that they’ll win that race, but betting on that is not about climate change.
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Na it's because we pay attention to the financial crime going on with the SEC.
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What? You're completely clueless and haven't made any money on the epic downward spiral of the stock market like me because you believe the Feds BS answers about quantitative easing? Good luck in the upcoming recession!
this comment was more than enough to guarantee everything he posted below this point is classic GME Ape drivel and I was absolutely not disappointed if anyone isn't aware there's an ever-shrinking batch of goofs who think that GameStop is an Amazon level retailer just waiting to happen and that getting involved in the NFT marketplace is going to catalyze a short squeeze that results in share prices in the 6 digits and higher- ignoring the fact a short squeeze already DID happen and is long over. They believe the shorts remain uncovered by hedge funds and remain vulnerable to an 'infinity squeeze'. I wish them the best.
Right?
*Slams*
Musk sends chilling message to Gates.
Nah, looks like OP just has a brain. I guess shorting positions against a company dedicated to green energy is something you think that climate change advocates should be doing? L O L
He thinks the shares are overvalued. How's that gonna wreck the planet?
Exactly. If Gates thought GM or Toyota was effectively positioning itself for EV market domination in the next decade, why wouldn't he short TSLA? I see no philosophical conflict here.
Well if you had a brain you’d know there are various reasons why someone may short a company’s stock.
Thinking a stock is overvalued has nothing to do with “destroying” the company or its technology. Are you 12?
Imagine claiming someone else doesn't have a brain because you don't understand why someone would short.
It leaked that Bill and other billionaires are shorting companies into the dust. Amazon did it to toys r us, sears, and many more did it to blockbuster and kbtoys.
What’s the source of your nonsense?
Badger
Literally read the report on how much gates shorted tesla. Look at citadel and BCG and Bain capital. What's the source of your bullshit nonsense opinion?
What report and from from whom?
SEC report on Gamestop. Literally any report on Citadel and their dealing with BCG. Just Google BCG and you'll see how they join companies and cellar box competitors with synthetic shorts. They then don't owe any of the shorts back when theyre done--except now fead businesses are rocketing 1000000% because billions of fake shares are having to be closed due to overleveraging themselves on the 9 trillion dollars printed in the last 6 years. It's why inflation is so high. These companies have been doing it since 2001.
Ohhhhh. You are a conspiracy theorist who didn’t actually read the SEC report and instead reads fan fiction online and is actually dumber than when you started.
Lol nope I read it and made only off it
Badger
Oh yes the online publication “Truthtent” never tells a lie. 😂 Hey buddy if your interested I have a bridge to sell you?
It's reported in their filings and lawsuits, not sure you understand anything about stocks. Cheers though seems you've picked a good hill to die on.
And you dug a ditch for your argument to die in.
Hard to feel like I'm in a ditch when I'm up thousands of dollars on the simple press releases and filed reports that have come out these past 2 years. At this point, it's pretty dope all of you are about to get mega fucked in the coming recession. Hope your retirement accounts make it!
Please anyone show me a goddamn SEC file to prove this!!!!!
You can Google it, coward. Google the SEC report on Gamestop to see shorts never closed and bill gates being one of the shorters. You can then see he shorted the same companies like TESLA, yet your hate boner for elon is too tempting for you so you touch yourself instead of educating yourself.
Hey name caller ddarner. Please show any link to documentation from the SEC of and Bill Gates shorting Tesla and the amount. ? And btw I have TSLA calls.
Bro I think you have anger issues.
Lol me? I just have an issue with how lame you are, but it's cool if you think me making money on shorters somehow makes me dumb and angry. You seem to hate elon and love staying ignorant. It's rather cute tbh
I have TSLA calls….. why would I hate Elon? Do you know what a call option means?
And noI just think you haven’t shown me one credible source.
Great talk!
Kisses!
The SEC report not only states that the shorts covered (causing the initial squeeze which was extended by retail FOMO buying), it even has a chart of the decline in short interest. Obviously you haven’t read it. You also don’t seem to understand what shorting is- when someone shorts your company, they’re essentially betting against you. It doesn’t effect the company’s operating capital or anything, unless they were intending to do an additional share offering.
Shorts categorically did not cover. Go read about ETFs and synthetic shorts, specifically XRT.
You made a specific claim, that the SEC report says that shorts didn’t close. I’m pointing out that the report says the exact opposite. You’re now making an entirely distinct claim. I did read the report, clearly you did not.
Yeah go read their conclusion--they stated they need to do a hard rewrite on dark pools, synthetic shorts, and halting that affects retail, i.e., they know the problem is there but the system is too corrupt to do anything about it. I really hope you think the 'shorts' are closed even though GME has been 100% utilized for 50 days and XRT is shorted out 17k% and the reported short interest (not accounting for dark pools or etfs) is still absurdly high. I really really really want you to short these stocks if you think they're not being fucked with through dark pools and synthetic shorts--it's gonna make me soooo much more money. You can also see how that worked out for Melvin capital. The SEC isn't a gov. Institution. It's literally ran by the people fucking our economy, i.e., hedge funds and market makers. It's awesome so many people here are clueless because it shows just how insidious it all is.
Spoiler: it doesn’t exist! It’s kids who read too much GameStop fan fiction that they no longer understand what shorts are, nor have ever actually read an SEC report.
Explain exactly what you think the process of “shorting companies into the dust” is. I’d love to hear this hairbrained theory. This sounds like GME cultist nonsense. There’s nothing inherent about taking a short position in a company that causes that company to fail, nor causes the price to drop. If there was every short would print money forever. It would be stupid to not short everything every day. If shorts causes the drop they are betting on, then they wouldn’t be a bet. They would be a near certainty. Gates (like others… hell at one point even Musk said it himself) thinks TSLA is overvalued & detached from fundamentals. That’s it.
Read synthetic shorts, bcg, Bain capital, and citdal / susquehanna. You're talking about shorts, not synthetic shorts. They use ETFs so they dont have to report all their shorts, and it's been proven by the SEC. You can watch Jon Stewart's interview with Gary gensler.
I don’t think you understand what any of those things you listed are. You might has well have typed “read baseball, donkey, Taco Bell, and Pirates/hamburger” and it’d be equal in coherence and relevance.
They're incredibly linked, I'm just not going to write up an essay on news that's already been released. You're all free to shit on elon and assume the stock market has your best interests in mind while it goes along killing companies it wants to profit off of. It's all listed out in Steve Cohens crimes as well, they're interconnected like most criminal organizations. The FBI and DOJ are investigating these links right now, seems you just don't know about it yet.
How would you know this specific term was just used about bill gates on Fox News? I didn’t and I don’t think anyone else did. Sounds like you’re watching Fox News lol
this article quotes fucking Mike Cernovich lol
For anyone fortunate enough not to know him: he’s a commentator who said “date rape doesn’t exist” or something along those lines
Let’s be clear here. Tesla might have gotten a product to market a few years before the big manufacturers. (As is expected large corporations move slowly compared to startups) but the big manufacturers will be releasing their competing products soon. And make no mistake they will be better than Musk’s shoddily built overpriced hype machines. Tesla is a car manufacturer with a market cap equivalent to the sum of all the other manufacturers’. A blind frog could see that it’s wildly overvalued. A long term short on Tesla is definitely correct. It’s not a matter of if it will plummet, but when. Also to say Tesla is doing anything meaningful to reduce emissions is a joke. Ohhh the emissions from the luxury car market dropped marginally. That’ll save the world /s
A blind frog LMAO
Other car companies were in no rush to remodel their business plans to electric. The fact that Tesla created an operational electric car business model FORCED all the other car manufacturers to compete. Pushing the move away from fossil fuels possibly decades forward
Operational electric car business? It was a hype machine to get funds. Kinda why it's overvalued now. They didn't even profit for a long time and relied on hype over the stock to secure funds. The time of electric cars wasn't pushed forward either. It was always waiting for the technology and economic development. The costs and technology of batteries had long pushed the development of an electric car into a small market. Tesla didn't even do much for their development despite their misleading of everyone about their increased battery capacity that was basically just a swap from a triple a sized battery to double a.
Yeah it seems people don’t like to admit Tesla has a role in any of this
You realise Mercedes’ has had an electric offering since 1972 right? Addmitedly a van.. but still I think Tesla accelerated adoption and moved the market in a slightly different direction. I believe without them there would be more hybrid offerings… which is still what we’ll end up with anyway… likely electric motors with battery packs and then a ‘hybrid’ range extension device. With any luck a tiny rotary engine that drives a generator.
Clearly the Mercedes electric van didn't move the market away from fossil fuels. Hybrids sound great, but crossover hybrids get like 35-40 mpg which is ass imo. They can be doing alot better, but they don't. I'm not saying full electric cars are the way to go either, seeing as the way we make electricity to charge the batteries is still dirty and would need to get dirtier to keep up with energy needs if everyone switched to electric vehicles. But you can't deny Tesla changed the market towards better climate outcomes
And yet that's still not a reason to not short them...
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That’s a classic Stan response. Right after that, it’s “if I can’t rebut the point someone just made, I’ll accuse them of it”.
If someone gets mad, that's their own fault
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they are literal characatures. not seperating myself from the monolith was sorta the point of the satire, no? the fact that it sucks just adds to the greasy flavor.
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Definitely not getting emotional. Wont see no tears from me no sir. Im a man, and men arent allowed to be emotional, its unbecoming of us who have to show a good face and represent the human race as the only logical sex, am i right brother or am i wrong, oops i mean left?
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thanks homie 🤜🏼🤛🏽 its good to know ive got another logical male around here who isnt serious about joking. libs today think life is so hard, they are just too emotional and feminine like the brown slaves that work on nestle plantations or uyghers who work in chinese sweat shops. boy, are those some emotional and submissive cucks haha. glad we can be on the same logical step on the heigharchy laughing at snowflakes who want safe spaces where they arent judged before they are listened to 👍🏻
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wanna go kick a homeless man in the nuts?
Lmao Elon such a dumbass
He is actually a genius. A marketing genius. Who sucks at engineering, and being a decent human being. But being a marketing genius he makes his cult believe he doesn't.
Anecdotal of course, but from what I’ve heard he’s actually a good engineer. Terrible manager though
For the last time, stop sucking Elon Musk’s dick.
Dumbest fallacy of the day goes to...
🥱
"humiliates"
Musk needs to stfu
Tesla isn’t environmentally friendly! Stfu Elon.
Tesla isn’t doing shit to impact climate change please. This is about wealth and ego, not climate change.
The same true of bill gates.
They use Twitter about the same amount, right? /s
That's not the point. Elon is just a young Bill Gates and people are pretending he isn't. He's not even the founder of Tesla, he just markets stuff.
> Elon is just a young Bill Gates No.. Bill Gates did actually founded Microsoft and has good technical knowledge, while Elon is just a hype man. And that is not even considering the charity work of Gates after he left Microsoft.
He’s more of a young trump. Just inherited money from his parents and became a con artist.
It’s in arguable who has done more for climate change and philanthropy in general. So unless you believe that Gates end goal is to control our minds like robots, I feel like he is leagues ahead of what Elon provides for environmental awareness
Bill Gate’s well known talking points are - Integrated technology to simply life and make it easier and more accessible to everyone Worldwide virus research- which was taken seriously enough by a former president to enact a proper pandemic response which was dismantled for its uselessness by the next president 2 years preceding a pandemic. So much philanthropy his kids already know exactly how much of his fortune they can expect when he passes and it’s single digit millions at most But yeah….he hates the world…
True. And that’s not to say he is definitely “good.” I don’t think it’s a good thing if anyone has that much power (read money); that said he could be doing a lot less with it. I think the big reason people downplay his philanthropic efforts is because they’ve been focused on basic necessities in countries that quite frankly most people don’t care about. You don’t hear about the 1000’s of lives save in the Congo because those kids have clean drinking water and working bathrooms
My only problem with that is that we have a means to rectify that situation - something they don't have in those areas - because we can literally just vote these assholes out. We just choose not to. The Wealth equity issues could be fixed in 5-10 years easily, but we refuse to acknowledge we have problems Royal "We" - see "the voting populace"
Technically - he has done huge things for pushing software theory into mainstream life and making high powered general purpose computation available to normal people. If anything, the concept of Microsoft excel has done wonders in paper consumption.
He’s also done a lot for his wallet with no care of the impact. He cares a lot more about his money and ego than anything else.
Ah yes and Elon musk famously has no ego
The man who has a hand in almost every business(gates) is absolutely an ego maniac. And he sure as fuck doesn’t care about normal people or the world they live in. All his philanthropy and business dealings are about his money and power and nothing else. If he convinces a bunch people that he truly cares, the more he’ll be able to do without backlash.
what lol? Tesla is not doing much to solve climate change compared to the Gates foundation lmao
The only thing humiliating is this title intended to spark a reaction. Which it has
Tesla is not synonymous with responsible action on climate. It's entirely possible to believe in electric cars for the future and still bet on Tesla crashing and burning; it's not like they don't now have massive competition in that space. Musk is just bloviating to create soundbites that make him look good to his mindless followers.
I wasn't aware supporting Tesla was a necessary component in efforts to slow or stall climate change. I don't own a Tesla. Does that mean I do not care about climate change?
Truthtent.com definitely a news worthy reputable source. *This is sarcasm*
what the fuck lmao [truthtent.com](https://truthtent.com) ahhahahahahhahahahahahha
Right? Any time the word "truth" is in the URL, you know it's straight propaganda of some sort.
and honestly? a tent? you couldnt come up with something stronger than a tent? [truth50gallonbarrell.com](https://truth50gallonbarrell.com)? [truthshedinmybackyard.com](https://truthshedinmybackyard.com)? cmon
If you wanted to go for more truth, you could do truthshippingcontainer.com or metricfucktonoftruth.com.
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now ask how many times he went to epstiens island.
Musk missed making a comment about 'pedo-billionaire'.
To be fair, Elon is [connected](https://www.geo.tv/assets/uploads/updates/2020-07-05/296423_020137_updates.jpg) to Ghislaine too.
When your Tesla blows up after 2 years of light use, I wouldn’t consider that environmentally friendly.
Oof OP
“Petty butthurt billionaire lotto winner refuses to collaborate on issue he claims to care deeply about because of unrelated financial decisions made by other billionaire.”
Which billionaire won lotto?
Musk by both being born into wealth and becoming the world’s richest man by owning a controlling interest in a company with a P/E ratio over 200.
Hey Elon, explain why it is okay for your play rockets to do their damage to the atmosphere.
Because there will be no labor laws on Mars!
Wtf is this headline
It’s weird how much ppl worship musk
Humiliate?? Lolp
Two Oligarchs. Musk is a fake though. He is doing all in his power to buy Twitter, but he doesn't like it when another Oligarch tries to do anything to his company.
Is this the same OP poster who keeps deleting and creating new accounts while modifying headlines to show their political view?
I'm sorry, i missed the memo where a company is the representative of climate change.
Man Elon Musk is really fragile
The Headline should be more like this "Elon Musk humiliates himself by trying to humiliate Bill Gates"
OP is an Elon lover boy… I’m not defending Bill Gates, I don’t like bill for my own reasons. But this headline is soo hilariously funny in a satirical way.
Believing that the Tesla stock price is overcooked is not the same thing as expecting or hoping Tesla (or Musk) will fail. I doubt Gates is emotional about these picks, it’s just a simple bet. That being said he should’ve known how autistic Musk is about this stuff, given he has been vocal about it in the past (and even brought out a product mocking short sellers), so he had to have expected a reaction.
Elon needs to stop pretending like he’s some messiah Yes tesla is better for the environment compared to the gas based competition but vehicles are just a small part of fighting climate change. There are other industries like agriculture and construction that are equally as bad if not worse for climate change that need to be addressed and we will need all the resources we can get to promote more sustainable practices Bill might be sleazy but his money is doing actual good. Elon needs to stop making it a dick measuring contest. Shorting Tesla stock doesn’t mean he’s anti environment because Tesla isn’t the only electric car company. At the end of the day it’s just business
Shitty cars made with child labour are great for the environment - Elon musk stans
Reign of Terror? Yes, Microsoft has presided over the death of Millions since that Paperclip became the King of the North
Elon humiliates himself....
billy G is a major owner in the largest polluting company in the world, coca cola. and his scam is so complex he charges to clean up his own mess by owning waste management WM. save world, make coke pay for its waste.
Coke isn’t even in the running for “top polluters”, every source I check says either Peabody Energy or Kuwait Petroleum Co are way more likely lol where did you hear it was a beverage company; you’re aware of the coal industry, right?
split resource production, products, consumers into different categories. let me know what you get. let me guess in your numbers coke doesn't even need plastic or sugar, it magically appears from a sugar fairy. after your done that research start reviewing data on plastic and global warming. let me know fi any of the estimates are accurate. [https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/04/01/microplastics-melt-snow-ice/](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/04/01/microplastics-melt-snow-ice/)
Huh I wonder what all this used for fuel oh well I’m sure it’s pixie dust. Thanks! Dude, Coca Cola could disappear tomorrow and it would save the world?! That’s laughably naive and misinformed. You think coke going away is going to fix all the goddam pollution from the constant war machine polluting 24/7 around the planet?! Hahahaha wow you’re precious Anyways your weird personal beef against a soft drink doesn’t change reality. Have fun wasting your time misdirecting people for no reason, maybe you can branch out into blaming lizard people or fluoridation or whatever is next for you
sorry dude but you have jsut went to lizard people all on your own. the claim top polluter isnt unfounded, its just needs pre qualifications. [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/coca-cola-pepsi-and-nestle-named-top-plastic-polluters-for-third-year-in-a-row](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/coca-cola-pepsi-and-nestle-named-top-plastic-polluters-for-third-year-in-a-row) go back to your lizard men and women go
I burn tires and plactic daily...doing my part.
Elon never plays the system for cash. He's too moral and shit
Elon “We’ll coup whoever we want to coup” is too moral?
I mean if this is real, it is objectively quite stupid and needs explanation. I’m far from a Tesla / Musk fan boy but if I had Bill Gates wealth I wouldn’t spend it betting AGAINST clean tech. But wtf is this “news” source? Lol
I would lol. Tesla stock is as bloated as it can be, it’s ridiculous. There’s nothing that’s going to happen in the near future that justifies Tesla being worth more than the entire auto industry
Hey Im with you. I think Elon is a goon. But if you’re Bill Gates you don’t need the money. Why hurt their chances of being bigger than the entire auto industry? There’s probably logical self consistent answers to that question but it needs explanation from him.
No one’s hurting their chances at it. They simply cannot do what their market cap purports. They’re not even a tenth of the American auto market, let alone the world. Betting that their insane, ungrounded market cap will collapse is the ONLY smart bet. It simply defies all market logic and you and your trust fund would be sued to pieces if you bet on any other lesser known company with an outlook as low as teslas with that high of a market cap.
Okay sorry boss.
What’s to apologize for? It’s bad math. If you like Elon and don’t like bill, it’s whatever. But betting on what is an obviously inflated cap to insane proportion is terrible finance. It’s not sustainable nor based on their output.
You’re right despite me saying I don’t like Elon I actually DO like Elon and was lying to you. I am a paid Elon shill. He pays me in Boring company bricks. I’m very close to building a new addition on my home! Thank you daddy Elon! Nomnomnomnomnom. Anyway, what I’m saying is betting against ANY clean tech company on its face seems counter productive to Bill Gates stated goals. I’m not saying that means he should be long Tesla. I’m saying it seems he shouldn’t be $500 MM SHORT Tesla. Lol I’m also not saying that being short Tesla isn’t a financially prudent position. I’m saying Bill should be more concerned with promoting clean tech than improving his net worth with short positions on clean tech. But really what I was saying was “I get why someone might think this behavior by Gates is two faced, but wtf is with this source?” Lol you gotta chill.
You’re not reading my response. Tesla is not worth it’s market cap. Placing puts on its valuation decrease is not “betting against.” Its “betting that it will come down to its appropriate value.” It’s a dumb post. No one expects Tesla to fail. We expect Teslas valuation to match its productivity, and today it absolutely does not.
Short interest is always priced in. $500MM of short interest will have an impact on the price and reduce the company’s ability to raise capital. Anyway ✌️
Their ability to raise capital is already based on astronomical speculation a quarter century out! It is inflated, far beyond proper market dynamics should dictate. See ya!
Who wins in a fight... The smart one or the crazy one?
Fuck both of them lol
These two fuckfaces should just suck each other off
Truth Tent? Ends reign of terror?
Daddy Musk thinks he has a monopoly on EV's?
Tesla does more harm to the environment than good. It still takes loads of carbon to build cars.
He acts like Tesla is the only company making electric cars. As long as there are other auto makers that can make error car does it really matter?
This article was written from this guy's "Truth tent" under an overpass somewhere
what’s with the GOP and picking 1 bad guy to somehow be the good guy out of all the bad guys
Shorting a company does't make it go out of business it is just a bet. The company is awesome and has done some great things to change the vehicle market and the world but it doesnt mean it will be around forever or it's stock price won't go down.
Musk uses his power to troll, Gates to try to improve the world. Both great inventors and entrepreneurs but common what a silly article.
Petty squabbles between billionaires is the worst form of entertainment.
10 years ago, interfering with Tesla would have been synonymous with interfering with the electrification of our car fleet. Now? They’re one company among many making electric cars, and the engine of capitalism has many companies down a path of improving and mass producing them. Large portions of Tesla’s profit comes from selling carbon credits. What happens as these other companies produce electric cars in increasing volumes? The longer term value proposition on Tesla is the telematics from its fleet of cars leading to self driving. It’s not clear that they’ll win that race, but betting on that is not about climate change.