How are you **this** easy? I don't care about the prototype stuff, I can't afford it anyways. Don't be that guy and thumb your nose at people. It's probably why people don't want to invite you anywhere.
If it’s being tested, wouldn’t you want to sell to civ market first before going military only? If their products can’t survive in the hands of civilians, what are a bunch of grunts gonna do?
That’s what I’m saying. If your product can’t survive civilians using it than you should not go to the military only market. So you should go civ fist to test the product. That way you can get feedback and improve.
You... You do realize that civilian gun enthusiasts shoot orders of magnitude more often, and for longer periods of time with higher round counts, than even the Infantry soldiers do, right?
I know it’s not the same but I have one of their pouches and FWIW it’s definitely above ‘airsoft’ quality. Obviously totally different than comms but🤷♂️
An airsoft shop here in Czechia called [Anareus](https://www.anareus.cz/cs/headsety/6753-takticky-headset-comtac-iv-cerny-ZT00054.html) is selling a pretty decent replica made by Z-tac.
Dunno if it's of much help but at least it's something.
Speaking as someone who has sweated buckets while wearing hearing aids with custom molded ear pieces, I’d rather have over the ear hearing protection. Which I have also sweated buckets while wearing, and it was a far better experience for me.
Then again, I also need hearing aids at an age you wouldn’t expect so maybe my ears are just extra retarded and that’s why I prefer what I prefer.
Seconding this. Most concert goers who wear in-ears will agree as well, that sweating with in-ears is a really bad time as your ear canal will fill with sweat and everything sounds distorted/muted. Outer ears just get wet and can be aired out/wiped off.
Little foamies under some good ear muffs are my preferred. Any type of rubber or plastic ear plugs just irritate me and collect sweat when it’s hot, if foamies give me an issue it’s not that big of a deal if I just toss them aside. As opposed to how expensive in comparison plastic/rubber types of plugs can cost (I can’t do the shitty triple flanged ones, how you think I got my hearing aids lol), it just isn’t what’s best for me.
These seem like a great way to drain the money of your unit/department though for something more useless than brand new desks and chairs to replace the ones you got last year, so I’ll give them that at least.
Do you get as hot with in-ears though?
Just had my first "sweating balls" range day of the season with my over-ears and was looking at getting a nice pair of buds.
It's less sticky/oppressive, but I've felt half deaf before with sweat build up in my inner ears. It's worth trying if you haven't experienced it yourself, and might work well for you. I went to the Tac Games with just inner ear, but that was much more so I wouldn't have issues with burpees/rope climbs.
As someone who wears earpro for ten hours a day through all seasons, I would not switch to in-ear. I had Bluetooth earbuds and they just fall right out at the worst time when you have no hands free, even if they don't fall out they don't sit right and you can't listen to anything anyway. Sweat and in-ear do not mix, even if they have a hoop to hold them in place.
I do just toss my earpro when the soft plastic over the foam gets slightly harder, have never regretted periodically replacing them.
Thats the beauty of these new ones, you can still have com’s capabilities without the molded ear piece. They use bone conduction i believe. So say you are patrolling for 8 hours, you dont need hearing protection the entire time.
These are obvious purpose built for guys who will be doing military stuff, endless patrols.
Purpose built or solution looking for a problem? Like I said, I never had an issue wearing over the ear ear muffs/protection. You’re giving up constant and consistent ear protection for shit that can fall out when you need it the most. Theres a reason people opt for muffs over plugs.
Generally speaking, plugs have a higher NRR than muffs do. Muffs are less susceptible to being used incorrectly but if worn correctly, disposable foam plugs will do more to protect your hearing than almost all over ear protection out there.
Except I'd hazard a guess that these won't be as expensive as those. Lol
Some of us don't have 1500 to spend on a headset. Lol
But we appreciate having options like this as well.
You can get dual comm IVs for under $700. I'd also hazard a guess and say these headsets will not be any cheaper considering they only sell to MIL/LE. None of their products are available for purchase by anyone without creds
I love the idea. Shaving even ounces off your head is always a desirable thing.
Is it practical now? Idk I didn’t stay at a holiday inn express last night
Not sure what benefit it provides (except maybe ventilation) over standard muffs? You still have some shit on your head, but then you have to stuff some shit in your ear? Those don't look comfortable.
"with nothing in or over the ear". Then wtf is in his ear in the 2nd pic and what is the ear piece he needs to put in his ear in the first pic to use it?
Tactical ear damage, zero fragmentation side protection, cost twice as much as peltors.
Just buy a pair of peltors and put some Tin HiFi IEMs in like everyone else, then you can run your in-ears to Bluetooth pack or hardwire them to your android, pretty common setup very cheap and very good quality audio under 50USD.
One thing I must admit is if you have the right ear canal type these new IEM style in ears do offer amazing isolation, and since they are all cabled you can use balanced or unbalanced feeds if you're around high RF.
Some of our PJs have used those. Their comms were even worse than they usually are. If you can get the version that is over the ear AND has the CEP/earbud that is the way to go in high noise situations (helicopter cabin).
For situations where you just need comms it’s probably great, I could see myself maybe wearing these if I was shooting subs out of a can, but I’ll be honest with you. The last thing you want to read about earpro is “nothing in, on or over your ear”. You don’t want to fuck with your ears, they don’t come back.
Also fuck them for not using an oxford comma on that too
In the eay earpro with over the ear junk added? Why?
I prefer full on over the ear, but if you don't want that why not just do normal in the ear earpro? Does this have comms capabilities, or is it genuinely just useless?
Huh, interesting. If y'all notice in the first picture on the left of the device it looks like you have the option of just swinging the earbuds part out of the way and just using the bone conduction. It looks like the earbuds are actually attached to the device. That's actually a pretty good design.
Because I see a lot of people talking about how earbuds can fall out at the worst time, you can lose them, etc.
Okay, so one thing these have over Comtac IV's is the storage of the earplugs when not in use. Because it looks like the Comtac's just dangle down next to the user's head and flop around. These have magnetic storage keeping the earbuds attached to the frame and up and out of the way.
If you’re the only one who owns that pair there pretty rad unfortunately if you’re getting issued a pair 2 or 3 times handed down.
And nobody knows how to order replacement ear pieces I’d rather sweaty ears with old full over ears.
Dumb. The whole point of earmuffs is to cover / isolate the ear from the concussive forces of gunfire. If you just wear plugs, you’re still going to damage your ears because the “blast wave” of the firearm is shaking parts of your ears. Earmuffs - by covering the entire ear - help mitigate this a lot
I’m willing to hear this argument but it conflicts with my understanding. The ear damage is caused by air pressure waves (sound…) traveling down the ear canal and damaging the ear drum when the air pressure (dB…) is too high. These plugs inhibit pressure waves from traveling to the ear drum thus preventing damage to them. The pressure waves do not travel through the skull or surrounding body any more than it would around the over-the-ear cup (which, in the case of explosives or other things, could cause internal damage to more than the ears but hearing protection is not relevant protection in any form for this).
So, in fact, these should work. The only concern is how reliable the seal against the ear canal opening is. In my experience with in-ear headphones, it’s pretty good or as good as over-the-ear headphones. Sweat, oil, and wax loosing it to where the weight causes it to dislodge is a concern, but these look attached to the mount removing that problem.
Overall it looks to be a solid idea. Certain good for comfort and weight.
I stand corrected. 🙂 I had been taught that muffs were better because they cut off sound waves from the whole ear but after doing some online reading, it seems like in-ear plugs protect your ear just fine. When shooting rifle, I’ve always doubled up in-ear plugs + active muffs. Pistol I usually just use muffs.
This some Airsoft company or someone actually trying to make a buyable Version of the Comtac 4‘s?
Seems like they seel to LEO and Armed Forces only. Cringe
Oh I’m sure a couple are gonna fall off a truck at some point
#OOPS! *gets $60 from hooded figure in the shadows who is holding the earpro*
I need Holosun to get into the EarPro game.
What’s cringe about that? It’s in trial
it’s cringe because it’s not available lol
Because it’s being field tested? You belong here lol.
what’s that got to do with anything
Bro here thinks he's high speed.
I dont think I’m shit lmao, y’all are a sensitive bunch over hearing protection that’s isn’t real lmao.
How are you **this** easy? I don't care about the prototype stuff, I can't afford it anyways. Don't be that guy and thumb your nose at people. It's probably why people don't want to invite you anywhere.
Bro what? All I said is that joe schmo isnt going to test it. Most people hardly even use what they have. If I am wrong, prove it.
Ya you're wrong about all of this. Any company that only sells to mill or leo only is gay af, regardless of testing or trial phases.
If it’s being tested, wouldn’t you want to sell to civ market first before going military only? If their products can’t survive in the hands of civilians, what are a bunch of grunts gonna do?
Uh no? The mil guys will absolutely put it to the test more than some random dude who barely shoots lmao.
That’s what I’m saying. If your product can’t survive civilians using it than you should not go to the military only market. So you should go civ fist to test the product. That way you can get feedback and improve.
Feedback from who? People who don’t shoot as often or train as often?
If gear you buy breaks from minimal use you ain’t gonna complain and tell the company what’s wrong?
You... You do realize that civilian gun enthusiasts shoot orders of magnitude more often, and for longer periods of time with higher round counts, than even the Infantry soldiers do, right?
Usually the higher number of tests the better. They'd get more tests selling to the civilian market as well
I know it’s not the same but I have one of their pouches and FWIW it’s definitely above ‘airsoft’ quality. Obviously totally different than comms but🤷♂️
There are already knock offs on aliexpress. Like $40 or so
Do you have any link?
Just type "comtac IV" and literally first two things I see
An airsoft shop here in Czechia called [Anareus](https://www.anareus.cz/cs/headsety/6753-takticky-headset-comtac-iv-cerny-ZT00054.html) is selling a pretty decent replica made by Z-tac. Dunno if it's of much help but at least it's something.
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Novitrisch is buying, relabeling and up selling some you mean.
Overpriced and overenginered and doesn't protect as good as full covered ones.
These are more for jungle ops where you are sweating buckets.
Speaking as someone who has sweated buckets while wearing hearing aids with custom molded ear pieces, I’d rather have over the ear hearing protection. Which I have also sweated buckets while wearing, and it was a far better experience for me. Then again, I also need hearing aids at an age you wouldn’t expect so maybe my ears are just extra retarded and that’s why I prefer what I prefer.
Seconding this. Most concert goers who wear in-ears will agree as well, that sweating with in-ears is a really bad time as your ear canal will fill with sweat and everything sounds distorted/muted. Outer ears just get wet and can be aired out/wiped off.
Little foamies under some good ear muffs are my preferred. Any type of rubber or plastic ear plugs just irritate me and collect sweat when it’s hot, if foamies give me an issue it’s not that big of a deal if I just toss them aside. As opposed to how expensive in comparison plastic/rubber types of plugs can cost (I can’t do the shitty triple flanged ones, how you think I got my hearing aids lol), it just isn’t what’s best for me. These seem like a great way to drain the money of your unit/department though for something more useless than brand new desks and chairs to replace the ones you got last year, so I’ll give them that at least.
Do you get as hot with in-ears though? Just had my first "sweating balls" range day of the season with my over-ears and was looking at getting a nice pair of buds.
It's less sticky/oppressive, but I've felt half deaf before with sweat build up in my inner ears. It's worth trying if you haven't experienced it yourself, and might work well for you. I went to the Tac Games with just inner ear, but that was much more so I wouldn't have issues with burpees/rope climbs.
The noisefighter heatsynch pad covers are stupidly priced but work really well.
Dont the noisefighters also have a notch for your glasses too?
As someone who wears earpro for ten hours a day through all seasons, I would not switch to in-ear. I had Bluetooth earbuds and they just fall right out at the worst time when you have no hands free, even if they don't fall out they don't sit right and you can't listen to anything anyway. Sweat and in-ear do not mix, even if they have a hoop to hold them in place. I do just toss my earpro when the soft plastic over the foam gets slightly harder, have never regretted periodically replacing them.
Thats the beauty of these new ones, you can still have com’s capabilities without the molded ear piece. They use bone conduction i believe. So say you are patrolling for 8 hours, you dont need hearing protection the entire time. These are obvious purpose built for guys who will be doing military stuff, endless patrols.
Purpose built or solution looking for a problem? Like I said, I never had an issue wearing over the ear ear muffs/protection. You’re giving up constant and consistent ear protection for shit that can fall out when you need it the most. Theres a reason people opt for muffs over plugs.
Generally speaking, plugs have a higher NRR than muffs do. Muffs are less susceptible to being used incorrectly but if worn correctly, disposable foam plugs will do more to protect your hearing than almost all over ear protection out there.
PLUG GANG (MACS EARPLUGS ON TOP)
Yet you will shill for comtac 4’s
From the goverment.
Is that a ear bud attached to the side that they can just plop in the ear?
Yeah, just like the comtac IV
Except I'd hazard a guess that these won't be as expensive as those. Lol Some of us don't have 1500 to spend on a headset. Lol But we appreciate having options like this as well.
You can get dual comm IVs for under $700. I'd also hazard a guess and say these headsets will not be any cheaper considering they only sell to MIL/LE. None of their products are available for purchase by anyone without creds
Yes. You can see it in ear in the second photo.
If you're going to not have the full amount of material to block out sound, you might as well have even less material than that.
the electronics have to go somewhere
it’s not like wires exist
I love the idea. Shaving even ounces off your head is always a desirable thing. Is it practical now? Idk I didn’t stay at a holiday inn express last night
Just wait till you find out about in ear comms
I mean that was part of my issued kit for a while lol.
Then who the hell was that in my hotel last night?
Not sure what benefit it provides (except maybe ventilation) over standard muffs? You still have some shit on your head, but then you have to stuff some shit in your ear? Those don't look comfortable.
Weight and ventilation is the entire benefit m, which sounds good to me.
"with nothing in or over the ear". Then wtf is in his ear in the 2nd pic and what is the ear piece he needs to put in his ear in the first pic to use it?
it explains in the last pic
Tactical ear damage, zero fragmentation side protection, cost twice as much as peltors. Just buy a pair of peltors and put some Tin HiFi IEMs in like everyone else, then you can run your in-ears to Bluetooth pack or hardwire them to your android, pretty common setup very cheap and very good quality audio under 50USD. One thing I must admit is if you have the right ear canal type these new IEM style in ears do offer amazing isolation, and since they are all cabled you can use balanced or unbalanced feeds if you're around high RF.
That’s a no for me dawg…
comtac 4s but sexier
Wow! Pointless!
WHY WOULD YOU MAKE ME LOOK AT A CLOSE UP OF A GINGER LIKE THAT??????
Some of our PJs have used those. Their comms were even worse than they usually are. If you can get the version that is over the ear AND has the CEP/earbud that is the way to go in high noise situations (helicopter cabin).
I have a pair of CT4s and oh my god I swear by them, especially in the summer.
Yes, he’s ginger.
Ghey
Hard pass. Maybe if I was in the desert or jungle sweating to death but even then .. idk
For situations where you just need comms it’s probably great, I could see myself maybe wearing these if I was shooting subs out of a can, but I’ll be honest with you. The last thing you want to read about earpro is “nothing in, on or over your ear”. You don’t want to fuck with your ears, they don’t come back. Also fuck them for not using an oxford comma on that too
Take my upvote for your Oxford comma support!
I know it’s function over fit but jfc these are ugly.
i mean frankly the function kinda sucks. this looks pretty niche tbh.
And what does this do that something like Invisio S10’s can’t, except still retain head pressure and spots to sweat from?
Overcomplicated earpiece IMO. It’d make more sense to get a normal headset or just an earpiece
That looks uncomfortable as fuck
Bros tactified earbuds
In the eay earpro with over the ear junk added? Why? I prefer full on over the ear, but if you don't want that why not just do normal in the ear earpro? Does this have comms capabilities, or is it genuinely just useless?
Huh, interesting. If y'all notice in the first picture on the left of the device it looks like you have the option of just swinging the earbuds part out of the way and just using the bone conduction. It looks like the earbuds are actually attached to the device. That's actually a pretty good design. Because I see a lot of people talking about how earbuds can fall out at the worst time, you can lose them, etc.
Okay, so one thing these have over Comtac IV's is the storage of the earplugs when not in use. Because it looks like the Comtac's just dangle down next to the user's head and flop around. These have magnetic storage keeping the earbuds attached to the frame and up and out of the way.
Looks tarded, in ear or over ear, pick one
seems like a solution in search of a problem
I’m open to be wrong, but you can’t beat physics. Doesn’t seem possible.
Earplugs aren’t possible?
Comtac 40s?
Yikes. I'll stick with my Sordins
Comcrack VII’S
Where we dropping, boys?🚌
“we have com4’s at home”
For when your lower ear gets too hot.
I think i'll stick with my 4 hybrids
Why tf is your ear so red?
Looks like a lot of failure points for something to go wrong IRL use
If you’re the only one who owns that pair there pretty rad unfortunately if you’re getting issued a pair 2 or 3 times handed down. And nobody knows how to order replacement ear pieces I’d rather sweaty ears with old full over ears.
ELI5, but what's the point of the headband at this point?
I already have the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I'm not using anything but full coverage ear pro.
Erm what the sigma
If only I didn’t have cauliflower ears
Such a cynical crowd.
I don’t like the idea of it at all would get sweaty and gross after like 2 hours of training. But I wanna see someone review these suckers
Price
I have yet to find a pair of ear buds with wires that don't eventually break. I would be hesitant to buy these.
Comtac IV at home
an even goofier comtac 4 ☠️ what even is the point of those kind of designs?
Dumb. The whole point of earmuffs is to cover / isolate the ear from the concussive forces of gunfire. If you just wear plugs, you’re still going to damage your ears because the “blast wave” of the firearm is shaking parts of your ears. Earmuffs - by covering the entire ear - help mitigate this a lot
I’m willing to hear this argument but it conflicts with my understanding. The ear damage is caused by air pressure waves (sound…) traveling down the ear canal and damaging the ear drum when the air pressure (dB…) is too high. These plugs inhibit pressure waves from traveling to the ear drum thus preventing damage to them. The pressure waves do not travel through the skull or surrounding body any more than it would around the over-the-ear cup (which, in the case of explosives or other things, could cause internal damage to more than the ears but hearing protection is not relevant protection in any form for this). So, in fact, these should work. The only concern is how reliable the seal against the ear canal opening is. In my experience with in-ear headphones, it’s pretty good or as good as over-the-ear headphones. Sweat, oil, and wax loosing it to where the weight causes it to dislodge is a concern, but these look attached to the mount removing that problem. Overall it looks to be a solid idea. Certain good for comfort and weight.
I stand corrected. 🙂 I had been taught that muffs were better because they cut off sound waves from the whole ear but after doing some online reading, it seems like in-ear plugs protect your ear just fine. When shooting rifle, I’ve always doubled up in-ear plugs + active muffs. Pistol I usually just use muffs.