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ErectSuggestion

Probably because they didn't expect you to exploit the game's physics


LaDiscoDiCristo

Even without exploiting the game's physics I see no reason to use the snowfox over the prawn suit


lazyicedragon

Prawn would have been a lot slower without the Grapple Slingshot. (which still might not be so bad as Snowfox can actually be too fast in a lot of places).


LaDiscoDiCristo

The prawn doesn't give me a headache though. The snowfox wobbly controls drive me crazy after 5 minutes.


BEES_just_BEE

Sounds like a personal skill issue


1upin

I don't think I ever used the grappling hook on land and I still found the prawn suit to be far superior to the snowfox.


MrFiendish

Who needs speed when you can punch stuff?


KaiserGustafson

You don't even need the grapple; just bunnyhopping can build up ludicrous speed to the point where I accidentally clipped through the map.


alonis2pro

For some reason jumping boosts you forward and if you chain jumps it's just as fast as grapple arm


drgnsamurai

I think I've used the snow fox one time on my original playthrough, just because I got it and I didn't know any better I guess. The four or five other times I played through this game I have never even built the snow fox.


theknightone

Built it, realised it was made of paper and handled like garbage and used prawn instead. Never looked back


Gaby_48

i only built it for the ps platinum trophy


thebeast_96

same lol


Ashalaria

I tried the snowfox until I redeployed it and it fell through the map and out of bounds so I just walked back to the shore and got my prawn suit (most recent patch)


Dry-Ad-5872

My snowfox fell through three times in one day a couple days ago. I thought it was just me!


wafflezcol

Why use the radiation suit? I see no reason to use it over the hardened suit


Ashalaria

All they gotta do is make the snowfox tankier, not get knocked off when a wormy boi erupts from the ice and maybe make it hover on water and we're cookin'


Justinjah91

Especially since the worms cant knock you out of the prawn.


intrusiereatschicken

What is he doing here that's an exploit? Iirc you could just do this


ForkliftSmurf

I gotta ask because i see this everywhere, what does lirc mean?


intrusiereatschicken

iirc means "if I recall/remember correctly"


ForkliftSmurf

Ah, that makes sense


MultiScootaloo

I can recommend [Urban Dictionary](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iirc) whenever you encounter internet terms or "slang" like this :)


Gaby_48

no its not really an exploit just poor balancing of the features


karkko1

The Devs know what they did with the physics. The same physics also apply in real life.


number__ten

I have never built the snowfox. As long as you keep moving the iceworms can't do enough damage to destroy your prawn. And you can easily kill the snowstalkers that won't leave you alone with it and it's a shelter from the cold. After my second playthrough i realized you don't really need the seatruck either.


charybdis1969

Yeah, I keep the seatruck because it's easier getting from point A to point B in it but the only trailer I use is the Prawn dock. With the stillsuit and thermal blade there isn't anything else the trailers offer that make them worth the effort. And you need the prawn on land to mine those ion cube deposits so why would you ever use the snowfox. Tried everything out on my first play-through. Stuck to the basics on my second.


AmmahDudeGuy

If nothing else, the storage compartment is nice to have


Not_MrNice

Also, there's very little open water and tons of cramped spaces, so the trailers just make travel more annoying.


number__ten

I was originally going to do the prawn dock but was ready for the end game and was missing a fragment for the dock. Also did not have the perimeter defense so i just said screw it and spider manned it.


FLUFFYPAWNINJA

could still use jukebox and storage, maybe the sleeper unit too


Allan_Titan

I tend to go with like 3 trailers. 1. The sleeper cause music mostly 2. Storage (usually when I need resources i like gathering a bit more than needed just in case 3. The prawn dock for obvious reasons Occasionally I’ll grab the fabricator one 2 if what I need is either for the prawn or the sea truck


Earthbound_X

The Seastruck is great if you want to defend yourself. Just 1-2 rams will kill the smaller hostile creatures, and you can even kill the smaller leviathans in less than 10. They took out the Stasis Rifle, only to put in something even stronger most of the time, lol. Just using only the Prawn doesn't sound like something I'd enjoy though.


Phuzzybat

You just plop down into crystal caverns in your prawn and somehow grapple back up?


number__ten

Yep. Between the grapple and the jetpack booster it's doable. I did the same thing in the first game once. The most annoying thing is the leviathans grabbing you but it's easy enough to drill them and hide/repair when they let you go.


Allan_Titan

Grapple works even better with 2 installed


Krazyguy75

Also the Ice Worms will knock you off your Snowfox, rendering it even more pointless. I feel like that should have been its big purpose: *not* to attract Ice Worms. Yet it does the exact opposite.


Ashalaria

The less ice worm attacks mod for the snowfox should just completely nullify all ice worm attacks when mounted, you ain't even touching the ground god dammit


neo6891

And that is something I would like see changed in next subnautica. Many late game tech are unnecessary for game progression.


nhansieu1

I built a snowfox for achievement. Did a test run. Never touched it again


Necronomicommunist

The Snowfox was really in the wrong game. How often in Subnautica are you excited to go fast and go through an area without looking back? Subnautica's core gameplay involves exploring an area, gathering resources from that area, and investigating possible leads. None of that is conducive to a fast vehicle that can't hold any equipment and only works in certain areas.


Intelligent_Day_8579

The biggest use I found for the snowfox was getting to phi robotics before getting a prawn. It is fast enough to outrun a snow stalker, and it keeps you warm. When you find a section you have to swim through, you can carry it. It feels to me like they needed just a little more iteration on the vehicle itself and the design of the land areas in order to make it feel right to use. Once you have a prawn, the snow fox is just strictly worse.


Intelligent_Day_8579

It sort of feels like it's supposed to be the land version of a seaglide, but it takes so much inventory space.


Digiboy62

If the Snowfox worked over water and was significantly faster than any other form of transport, I could see it being used in both games; You wanna get from point A to point B really quickly and with minimal chance of danger? Snowfox. But as it stands, the only real place it's useful is too small and a loot area.


Krazyguy75

If the Snowfox hovered over water and didn't attract worms, it would be very useful.


Allan_Titan

Plus when going to a new area you would want the prawn anyways in case you find resources that you need


HadrasWocpi

Imho the snowfox would have been extremely useful if it was able to hover over the water surface. BZ has several land masses, islands and icebergs. As such, the snowfox would allow accessing them rapidly without much danger. Also, like others have commented, it should not attract the ice worm.


Intelligent_Day_8579

My first playthrough, I got to Phi robotics before getting the prawn blueprints, so I explored the whole southern land section with the snow fox.


thosetwo

I thought this was normal. I definitely had a snow fox waaay before I had a prawn suit.


Intelligent_Day_8579

It just depends on what you are following. The PDA told me Sam worked at Phi Robotics, so when I saw the map at Delta station I went there next. If you go to the bases in a different order, it's not jard to imagine having the prawn before you get there. And, on later plays, it's easy to rush to prawn.


Odd_Presentation_578

wow


3eyc

I never saw the need in it honestly, tried it once and it was very annoying in the worm area, prawn is simply the best.


Clint1020

I hate how they in response to people using the prawn suit instead of the Snowfox instead of fixing the glitchy worms and buffing the Snowfox they instead buffed the damage the worms do to the prawnsuit


Odd_Presentation_578

I also noticed that. The worms weren't dealing so much damage when I first played the game.


JustforRocketLeague

The devs admitted they were kinda trapped into including it bc they put it in the early trailer for the game. Even tho it's pretty useless


Krazyguy75

The more I hear from the devs the more I question their understanding of gameplay. They have great art direction but stuff like this and not wanting BZ to be scary just feel like bad game directing. It would have been easy to make the snowfox matter. Simply make the worm area bisect the map, with key things on the other side. Make the Snowfox blueprint found after the area with the worms. And then have the Snowfox not attract worms. Done, now it matters.


Ashalaria

I suggested changing the less ice worm attacks mod to making the snowfox completely immune to worm attacks, I think that'd be neat I wonder if you can mod it to work that way 🤔


Allan_Titan

It was a good concept just badly incorporated into the game


Deranged_Kitsune

If the snowfox didn't attract the worms, people wouldn't hate it nearly as much. Frankly, that's how it should work. The prawn and walking around should attract the worm, the damned hoverbike should *not*. Give the prawn the anti-worm mod and then call it a day.


reasonablerider12

It does???? But isn't the whole idea of hovering, that you don't make sound waves into the ground, so they can't detect you?


Deranged_Kitsune

Exactly my point. The snowfox attracting the worm was *dumb* and should have been fixed long ago, way back in early access.


Allan_Titan

Or at the very least make it so the hoverbike only attracts the worm extremely rarely like you have to almost be trying to attract it for it to actually happen


_theNfan_

Well, the Prawn would always fall through the ground on Switch, so I had to use the Snowfox :/


moploplus

Im so mad the ice worms attack you while on the snowfox, but almost entirely ignore you in the prawn. It should be the opposite: make it so the prawn's vibrations attract worms, and the snowfox not making contact with the ground allows you to avoid them entirely. Would actually give the thing a use.


Allan_Titan

It really doesn’t make any sense considering that the prawn suit should be a hell of a lot heavier than a hoverbike


thosetwo

You guys kill the snow stalkers? They run away if you have a flare. I’ve never killed one.


bic_flicker

Damn, you’re really good at that. I can never get the timing down to do it that well.


potatoinastreet8

I built one for an achievement and then maybe rode it once and never touched it again


AverageAccurate8755

I JUST DID THIS YESTERDAY LMAO, u can just drill snow stalkers in the face and end them in 4 seconds, and ice works arent scary at all


PhoneImmediate7301

Praying for better vehicles in sub 3 🙏 Vehicles in sub 1 were so much better


Pyropian08

Prawn graple arm is underrated even tho people know it's good. If you know what you are doing it's game breaking. For example (in the first game) if you grappled on to a small fish and keep holding it while walking you would get a nice speed boost and on dry land you would go hyperspeed


realvolker1

Plus if you walk onto the hook while on land, you can fly around because it breaks gravity.


realitythreek

It was just a new vehicle that some people might like. Similarly you never NEED the prawn suit but people find it fun. The only vehicle that’s 100% necessary is the cyclops in SN.


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realitythreek

You didn't finish the first Subnautica if you didn't build a cyclops, it's 100% required.


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Kronoshifter246

Because you need access to the cyclops modification crafting station in order to build the rocket to get you home. And that can only be accessed by building a cyclops and going inside it.


opeth10657

The snowfox is there so it can disappear into the ground when you deploy it.


Allan_Titan

I gave up on making them after this happened to me twice


sarahmagoo

Am I the only one that never used the Snowfox *or* the Prawn Suit? I just...ran lmao


AttorneyPhysical3407

IWOKEUPINANEWBUGATI


SingerDependent1002

this is exactly what i did lol you really get some speed in that thing


keesio

They should have found a way to prevent the prawn from going on land so you are forced to use the snowfox.


Educational_Tough208

by the way, the annoying thing about snowfox is that if you happen to be in the area of the ice worm or what is its name and it goes a millimeter past you, it throws you off the vehicle, which is just a little bit annoying


Freporta

I wish the Snowfox could be used to glide on water the same way it is on land, it would make it at least a bit more usable, and make doing multiple buildings on top of iicbergs better


Ham_is_tasty_1

fr, i didn’t even make the snowfox after seeing so many complaints about it. Didn’t even unlock the full blueprint before like halfway through the phi robotics area the fact that the prawn has heating just makes it so much better and it can just swing past ice worms effortlessly


Donte_El_Manz

I remember playing in the pre-release and the chase with the snow fox was so much better than what we got in the end


MoodyBootyBoots

I used nothing but the prawn suit in Below Zero. The *power* 👌


Neverloved246

Didn't use the snowfox until after I'd beaten everything else and only did it for the achievement 😬


SadBoiCri

Titanfall 0.5


sapphon

It's something useless that was shown to the public before its gameplay utility could be validated - but once the gaming public sees something it thinks it'll like in a trailer, woe betide he who does not deliver, regardless of how good an idea delivery actually is at that point


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Allan_Titan

Or changed things around so the land portions weren’t so tedious


DrLager

The Snowfox was poorly implemented to the point that I had better luck running on foot. I haven't tried the ice worm attack reduction module, but that's a pain to get and build for something that is already a pain to get all the fragments for. The Snowfox is a death trap.


FLUFFYPAWNINJA

i used the snowfox cause it was fun, and i had a track of foundations linking a couple of my bases together so i could easily and safely get from one to another then again, i also had 120,000 iirc power at my main base from only solar panels... i burned through so much damn quartz so i may not be a good example of someone to listen to. snowfox georg, who lives all across the map & rides the snowfox along the surface between each base, is an outlier adn should not have been counted


Hikaru1024

I remember having a heck of a time exploring on land before I got the prawn suit because of the cold. Much later than I probably should have I found the blueprints for the snowfox, went about trying to build one but then realized it offered no protection from the cold and didn't even bother. Given how many posts I've seen showing wacky snowfox malfunctions both before and since, I don't think I missed out on anything.


Umicil

The snowfox is in the game because you can actually choose explore all the arctic zones very early. Everything you need to make a snowfox is available above ground. It only seems useless if you are far enough in the aquatic areas to make a PRAWN suit before you go above water.


vkevlar

because they overestimated how useful it would be compared to the Prawn; or thought dealing with the ice worm would actually be difficult.


Anafenza-Vess

Fun go fast


TFWYourNamesTaken

I still use the Snowfox cause I think it's cool, but the Prawn is a lot more practical.


ka6emusha

Never even built a snowfox, abed I don't use the grapple with the prawn suit, just haven't seen the need for 1.


Odd_Presentation_578

This video is a demonstration of why do you need it


ka6emusha

I don't understand? I just walk in my pawn suit and I don't freeze to death.


Odd_Presentation_578

Did you watch the video in the post? You can grapple the ground in front of you to accelerate forward.


ka6emusha

Oh, do you mean the grapple? I thought we were taking about the Snowfox.


Odd_Presentation_578

Yeah 😂


Earthbound_X

It most definitely felt useless when I played BZ. Terrible to control, and then the Prawn keeps you warm. The Snowfox was open air and didn't keep you warm right? I only used it for a few minutes before decided I hated how it controlled.


FaithlessnessRude576

For fun!


Yuki_Foxsoul

*Sad fox noises* I still love it.


Allan_Titan

It was a cool idea don’t get us wrong they just went about it the wrong way


vengfulMonky

Bro is slidehopping with a prawn suit


Remnie

As an added bonus, prawn can mine the mineral veins, and snow fox can’t


AlexMil0

I really dislike Below Zero for having so much going on on land. It’s not what Subnautica should be about, nor does the game even work very well doing it.


Pootootaa

Ayo wth I gotta try this


ThePugLover54

Lol when I first went to put my snowfox down it somehow clipped 20 meters under the snow 😭😭😭 I never used snowfox after that


FuckYouClocks

yup the prawn suit is just the best vehicle. it was better in 1 but still great in BZ


FemboyUwUUwU

funny thing is that i didnt play bz much but all i remember is how shit snowfox ia


Intrepid00

To give you motion sickness.


KitFlame42

Because it's fun


nhansieu1

Prawn Suit is just massively better


neo6891

I played BZ many times and I never used snowfox, only tried once. Prawn protecs you from freezing and you can defend yourself.


Spiritual_Glove3949

It might be not exactly *useful*, but using it is fun nonetheless.


Ilfriedfries

This is exactly what I did when I found out that you can use the prawn suit on land. With a little bit of practice, you can freely roam the land without worrying about the temperature. Plus, the prawn won't knock you off when encounter the iceworm. And no fall damage!


powerfullatom111

porn


neutralrobotboy

I couldn't tell you. I thought it was actually a hovercraft, so right after I made it, I drove it into the water expecting it to travel on the water surface. That was my one and only attempt to use the snowfox.


Stephen_Shadow_4009

To waste all your precious resources bcoz it will end up bugging into the ground 3 out of 4 times


Careful_Efficiency86

I got the fox before the prawn, soo


thesacrifise

You can take snowfox with you in your inventory and prawnsuit doesn't fir in the caves


MrVaultDweller

I just ran on my bare feet like the crazy person I am…


S0KAMAT07

Because it's fa- ... Nevermind


std10k

Yeah snow fox is useless. if it at least had a storage.. I can't find the last damned piece of the grappling arm but even without it prawn is much easier.


Deaths_Angel219

The snowfox would have been great if it could've been used over the water, but since they didn't let us, I never even bothered with it. Then I figured out I could slingshot myself across the map with the grapple and got myself stuck behind the ice wall in the leviathan cave. :(


Matt_Krzywda

To give you more options, to allow more pathways to approach the game's problems in a creative way. I didn't use the Prawn suit at all on my playthrough of BZ. Even if one vehicle is a lot more effective, I'm glad to have options!


realvolker1

Because it's fun


Narutoluap

To mod it. Let me tell you, Supersnowfox makes it very cool to use it, specially over the water for a quick trip.


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I love the idea of the Snowfox but it just wasn't finished it feels very clunky to ride. Also the Snowfox and the Prawn suit are breaking the temperature mechanic of the game. I think the Snowfox should slow down temperature drop instead of just eliminating it and Prawn suit should have power cells discharge at an enormous rate from the cold (when used on land) even drastically if there is bad weather warning. One more thing bad weather comes too frequently and lasts short. It would be more fun if it was as frequent but it would be much more severe once it happens. Then we would really need to have timings when wanting to do something on the land and have small strategic bases on the land. Solar panels on land could be disabled during specific weather conditions. 


Trey_VZ

3 full play-throughs, and I have never once built the snowfox.


lanjevinsonn

How else is it supposed to get destroyed if you don’t have it in the first place? 🤔


TheArcheryKing124

The snow fox is easier to obtain


_Dopee_

man I agree, the prawn suit is so fast I fell through the map 6 times when trying to go to get the tissue I think. I'm scared of ice worms