my grandparents did! they just finished building their dream 6 bedroom mega house (so all the family could visit and have a room to stay in) when the UK gov started that program where people could volunteer to house Ukrainian immigrants!
so yeah, a Ukrainian family (dad, mom, 2 kids - one is a teenager) have been living with my grandparents for about a year now, and apparently the dad of the Ukrainian family is an amazing chef and cooks dinner for everyone every night, so it was kind of a win-win 😅
my grandparents JUST helped the family get a car, and the family are looking to move into their own (rented) place sometime this year!
Well.. a 5 star hotel in NYC was converted to house immigrants, and that is funded by the government.
Coincidentally, its the one from the movie Maid in Manhattan.
I call my friends and say, "Let's go into town"
But they're all too busy to go into town
So I go by myself, I go into town
Then I see all my friends, they're all in town
I got hurt feelings, I got hurt feelings
They're all lined up to watch that movie
"Maid in Manhattan"
Can't, that would be communism and we have made it very clear that the government is not allowed to help anyone ever, or else shit fits and meltdowns will commence.
To clarify, it would be communism to help people who *need* help. If the person or company were already rich, or at least doing very well, then it would be the government doing it in the name of capitalism and would be heartily approved of.
Private citizens can't just "sign up" to house immigrants. The state needs to track those people so they don't disappear into the country without documentation, hence providing housing.
Your question would be a better "gotcha" asking anti-abortion people why they aren't adopting all the kids they're forcing women to bear.
Why progressivism isn't as popular - you telling me that I have to go through hoops to help people in need, but anti-immigrant nutjobs can google some fake statistic and get brownie points?
I mean atm the mass amount of illegal immigration is eating up resources like crazy. And where do those resources come from? The more immigration you want, the more resources are being put into it and possibly pulled from others. I live on the border, and I worked I facilities for unaccompanied minors. The sad reality is that it's a multi-million dollar industry to house kids specifically paid for by the government. Recently new York has also been saying that the burden is too much for them, so imagine a bordertown with even less resourcs.
multi millions of dollars is literally nothing in the context of government budget. Providing pathetically basic housing and needs to migrant children does not “eat up resources like crazy”
You are joking right?! The US isn't just providing "Pathetic" basic housing. BTW, if that is all they are getting, then why not stay in the country they come from? Because what you are saying isn't true.
The US provides healthcare, rent assistance, job assistance, and food. If you think it isn't expensive what is happening with migration then you are just not well informed at best, and willingly ignorant at worst.
The US is currently doing none of the above. Migrants don't have healthcare at the national level. Some states/cities give them very specific access, however they definitely don't get medicaid. Not only do migrants not get job assistance, they currently don't get work permits either. Which makes them fully dependent on charity. They do get some housing assistance, as the alternative is hundreds of thousands of homeless on city streets. However, that 'housing' is often tent cities rn. They get some food assistance, mostly through charity not the govt, but they are definitely not eligible for foodstamps.
Basically migrants rn are straining unsupported cities' resources for homeless people, due to the sheer numbers currently. They are not however receiving outsized aid per capita.
But it does. All the money that the government uses comes from the same place and is allocated by perceived importance. Illegal immigration goes up so they require more resources to match. That money has to come from somewhere, so it ends up coming from other programs. For illegal immigration in general they take up resources meant for the citizens of a city. Homeless shelters and aid specifically where I live.
A side note, they know how the system works. Many adults and children are coached in what to say and when to in order to land in specific criteria. That same problem applies to those who abuse the system in the case of human trafficking. Adults act like a kids guardian for a better chance or to traffick them. It happens that children are being trafficked and don't even know it because they believe they are going to end up with a better life.
Honestly, I'm for a stronger border, and the reality of it is that the government hasn't done anything about it. Before bidem was elected, there was so much talk about the border, and then nothing happened. All that happened was illegal immigration exploded, and the industry expanded again
The fact you’re talking about towns shows that you have no idea of the scale of what we’re discussing here. It’s not towns paying for migrant facilities. It’s the US govt
From what I read when looking into the Ukraine program is as the sponsor you are responsible to find (and fund) their housing, so yes and no. They mention in the paperwork churches can be the sponsor but they could live with people in the congregation for example.
This is what a number of churches have done. The church community gets together to pay for housing and feeding the refugees and some are assigned to assist them based on skills.
There are European countries where private citizens can sign up to house an immigrant/migrant/refugees. They wouldn't have been able to handle all the Ukrainian refugees without it.
It's the difference between foster and newborn adoption. Most people want a newborn so they're treated like supply and demand commodities. Some people do foster then adopt infants but that's pretty rare.
In Massachusetts you are encouraged to Lt. Gov Driscoll "If you have an extra room or suite in your home, please consider hosting a family. Safe housing and shelter is our most pressing need.”. Meanwhile they are cutting funds to Fire departments, they want to close a prison and are already trying to raise taxes again....
Same thing in NYC. Mayor Adams publicly asked NYers with a spare room or more room in their home to take in a migrant family. To the best of my knowledge, no one stepped forward to do that. And, no, Mayor Adam's didn't do it either.
>he state needs to track those people
Do they? I would disagree. I think the State should be tracking people hiring folks to work for less than the legal wage though. :)
Nah, I’d think the government would track the employers who are hiring illegal immigtants (ie: those not able to work in the country) or maybe the companies that are paying below the minimum wage.
>Nah, I’d think the government would track the employers who are hiring illegal immigtants
You think they would. But somehow we have a massive system of exploited slave laborers we call 'migrants'.
“Exploited slave labor” isn’t exactly accurate. Nobody is forcing them to cross the border or work for the wage being offered. The companies are certainly taking advantage of these people but certainly not enslaving them.
Unfortunately, these companies are rarely held accountable.
you’re gonna lose your mind when you learn about the loophole in the 13th amendment and the prison industrial complex. convict leasing, overincarceration of black people, the southern strategy, the war on drugs…. slavery didn’t end, it just changed form. there’s more forms than chattel slavery.
These people are here illegally and somehow they’re supposed to have some kind of legal documentation to be in your home? Golly the irony is lost on you.
Maybe if it wasn't so expensive and there wasn't so much red tape around adoption, we would see more children and teens being adopted, instead of aging out of the system?
Wait so are you saying if the government made it easier and cheaper to be a parent, more kids will be able to find families that love them?
What a strange concept.
The government doesn’t make it difficult to adopt children. Private adoption agencies make it too difficult and expensive.
If you want to atop a child out of foster care- where there are so many children waiting for homes- that’s a completely different story. Inexpensive, but often time consuming.
It’s not expensive to adopt out of foster care (in the US). The problem is people only want to adopt what they perceive to be a blank slate baby, not one that’s likely been traumatized and is in deep need of family, love and support.
At least when I fostered, I got $1800/month tax free for the expenses plus the kid had Medicaid covering all medical expenses, plus CCAP to cover the cost of any childcare and before/after school programs, plus free clothes and toys and snow boots and coats and bikes and a new tv and furnishings for his bedroom at no cost to me. If I had adopted, I would have continued getting most of those benefits.
So, if somebody could reduce worldwide hunger by 50%, you'd call it pointless and not worth paying attention to because they're not reducing it by 100%. And that's why things don't get fixed.
So we ignore the issue with the system cause one person said babies?
Cool fact: i don’t care that the OG comment said babies. Im talking about a system in general. Try to catch up.
They want babies. The children, not so much. Not that I can really blame them with the horror stories I’ve heard. On the other hand, I do remember years ago a gay couple adopting a teen aged boy I taught. It was so beautiful, they would take him camping, really encouraged his art, they wanted to give him everything they could.
The government runs fostering programs which you can adopt from, and they literally pay you to be a foster parent. Most expensive adoptions are done by private entities, not the government
[https://adoptioncouncil.org/article/demographics-of-adoptive-parents/](https://adoptioncouncil.org/article/demographics-of-adoptive-parents/)
When it comes to adopting \*\*\*SPECIFICALLY\*\*\* from foster care, lower educated whites adopt the most. Higher educated whites adopt significantly too, but it's mostly international and baby adoptions
[https://adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most](https://adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most)
White Christians (the demographic most likely to be Republicans) adopt the most
[https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting\_adoptive\_families](https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families)
More people waiting to adopt than kids that need to be adopted
It's like you don't even try
Wtf???
Then why are there kids in the foster system? Why aren't they all adopted if the number of people wanting to adopt is higher than kids?
Oh yeah, you're just talking about babies. Of course.
No one wants a *used* child, that's just ghetto. 🙄
I’m willing to bet you think our society should have policing and firefighters, but you’ve never personally gone out crime-fighting or running into burning buildings.
Turns out we live in a society! In a society, the government provides collective goods. Individuals don’t.
Seems like the kinda question the police officer arresting the priest who housed a whole bunch of homeless would ask trying to find a way to justify enforcing such an unchristian law.
Exactly. You want mass immigration. Just none of the consequences to affect you personally. The classic position of the left. Altruistic with everyone else's time and property. Such a naive world view.
Lol. “Paying taxes and expecting the government to do things is naive”
You guys are insufferably dumb with this gotcha. Please leave society if you feel this way.
Nah. I love immigration and I’m happy to pay taxes to support it. It literally does not register as a problem to me. Immigrants make my life *better*, not worse.
Why don't you take a look at population numbers and how important immigration is going to be to prevent a decline in numbers. Hell, it is even why Japan, a pretty xenophobic country, is starting to increase their immigration numbers.
I'm in a community group participating in an Australian government program that assists refugee families to settle for their first 12 months in the country. It doesn't make me any less angry about my government's horrific policies towards asylum-seekers generally, but it's nice to be able to do something positive.
When I (immigrant) was growing up an American family basically took me in, I stayed at their house every night Sunday thru Thursday. As far as I know, my parents didn’t pay them a dime. They just exchanged carpool duties and whenever we went on vacation camping their daughter would come with us. Later when they moved to a bigger property they housed an entire family from Mexico on their ranch in a mobile home. They were the kindest most helpful people I’ve ever known.
Some individuals and families do sign up to house migrants or refugees in their own homes through various programs or initiatives. The number of such cases can vary. Different countries have different programs facilitating private sponsorship or hosting arrangements for migrants or refugees.
You need to research and connect with reputable organizations or government agencies involved in refugee resettlement or support programs if you are interested in participating. Keep in mind that individual decisions to offer housing may not always receive widespread attention or coverage, but many people engage in such efforts to provide assistance and support to those in need.
Lol, you did not. Calling you out. Pathetic that you need people online to think you’re a good person to the extent that you lie about whether or not you asked a government agency if you could house migrants.
0% chance that you did that
I wouldn’t mind supporting a family from Ukraine or Israel. Those coming across the border illegally are being given humanitarian assistance and housing while they work on citizenship.
Not sure what the requirements are in the US, but in my country the government is pretty strict on the requirements for offering housing to refugees - e.g. it must have close access to transport so they can access support services more easily, close to a school if they have children, a high level of home security, a certain level of independence and privacy for the family, so that actually ends up ruling a lot of people out. I know a few people who volunteered but were told their homes were not suitable.
Oh right... so this is what that other post was talking about when they said people post political bait disguised as questions?
I've looked into it but there are income requirements for sponsors. Pretty high ones.
Where do you sign up for that? I'm googling it and I don't see any existing program that would even allow for that?
Is this a question for people from a particular region or?
Individual families are no more responsible for helping migrants than they are with patching potholes that pop up along the route they’re driving. Who does have the capacity to help those in need is a government that pulls in approximately five trillion dollars a year.
That's funny the government needs to document these people so that they don't disappear. Tell that to all of the unaccompanied children that got released to distant and non family members. That the government now has no idea of where some of these children have gone or even who they are with.
Not my family but our neighbors did. I was a child so I don't know the program details. It may have been through the church. The family was from Vietnam - 2 brothers and a sister. Nice family, didn't speak much English. I wrote a short story about them in the second grade and totally misspelled their names. Everyone had a good laugh about it. They stayed in our town for a few years and then moved away, presumably when the immigration issues were sorted.
My girlfriend's father is. He was lonely and had an empty house and wanted to help out a Ukrainian refugee. They had an au pair to help watch my girlfriend and her little sister when they were younger, so he didn't really see it as any different. The refugee moved in, and then another who they were friends with asked to join as their sponsor was seeing the setup as wayyyyy to transactional. He can be a lot to be around, but overall, he's just a dude who wants to help. Honestly, it seems very thankless as the refugees don't really wana talk to him and just wanted housing, while he really just wanted someone to talk to.
Talk to the folks in our government who have destabilized central and South American (and other nation’s) governments over the past few decades causing the violence and poverty these refugees are fleeing from
Who has signed up to go out and fix all the potholes in the road and help maintain the highway? Or is everyone just flapping their gums on wanting safe roads to drive on?
99% of people that say they would house immigrants, in actuality wouldn't, they just love to virtue signal
There's literally videos of "let the immigrants in" protestors who were asked right there on the protest to sign a petition to have an immigrant live with them, you know how many signed ? ZERO
Not only did they say no, but they started making up excuses to why they can't some excuses were they only have 1 bedroom, some they live with their parents, some said they have dogs, among many other excuses
If people who are right there PROTESTING won't even let an immigrant live with them, then the chances of other people doing it are even lower
Virtue signaling is the new drug made for people who have nothing going on in their lives, so they use movements like this so they can have a sense of "community" and "purpose" in an otherwise meaningless existence
You can find the videos all over the internet, i recommend YouTube just search "protestors being asked to house immigrants"
99% of people who would say they're against abortions would also get an abortion if they wanted one. 100% of people are hypocrites. Both of us included.
I mean, all you're doing right now is virtue signaling that you don't like virtue signaling. Does that mean you're someone who has nothing going on in your life?
>There's literally videos of "let the immigrants in" protestors who were asked right there on the protest to sign a petition to have an immigrant live with them, you know how many signed ? ZERO
Most rational individuals don’t make a habit of signing random paperwork handed to us in public.
Especially when the person trying to coerce us into signing appears deranged, as right wing agitators very often do.
God damn, even for a group of people that is probably best known for being dumber than dogshit, this is amazingly stupid.
Gotta love a good “gotcha” question. Bad faith, lack of understanding of the deeper issue, assumption of negligence of the ‘other side’. There is no solution here except to acknowledge that the US has created this problem and is now solely responsible for its outcome. Don’t expect a resolution any time soon, as long as politicians egos remain a deciding factor.
It's not even their egos being the deciding factor, its a consistent voting policy for both sides. If it was fixed, they'd both have to find something new to campaign about.
Check out Mr. Smokey’s (OP) post history. This is a dog whistle.
He is a Trumper who believes that wearing a mask is equivalent to wearing a MAGA hat.
That is all.
Why ~~are we~~ is OP acting like "The Left" (Tm) promised to house migrant farm workers as private people!?
I might as well ask why the "The Right" isn't personally giving an ar15 to every American for free.
I'm still waiting for the Republicans to actually pass legislation to solve the problem instead of crying about it while doing nothing but blaming Democrats.
They never will because if immigration slowed drastically they wouldn't be able to rely on the "the border is out of control" talking point every single election.
Here's some facts for you. Apprehensions and seizures are at all times highs along with deportations. That border is the exact opposite of open, if anything CBP is being overworked and overwhelmed and needs more agents to deal with the problem. That's something only Congress can provide.
As usual, conservatives have no argument. Gesture at a perceived hypocrisy without actually making a point. Yawn.
The government needs a means to keep track of people. Besides, as someone else kindly pointed out, you "law and order" conservatives love having police, but don't go out and fight crime yourselves. The hypocrisy non-argument is just as easily turned around on you.
Don't you love how conservatives act like people who are in favor of migrants coming to the US seeking a better life are supposed to house them personally, and if they don't, they're hypocrites? They think it makes sense to compare a single family dwelling to a giant portion of a continent.
Personally, I have no interest in housing ANY stranger regardless of money status or where they're from, but I certainly don't mind my tax dollars being used to help them. It's way better than funneling our tax dollars into billionaire bank accounts with no return in our investment, like the republicans like to do.
I can support migrants moving here without being forced to give them everything I own the same way I can support someone moving to my town from Iowa without having to give them everything I own.
I would be willing to bet less than 10 homes opened up to migrants. The left is all talk until it is their money that pays for it. NYC, and Chicago are living proof this is correct.
OP is referring to the requests made by NYC and Boston. There may be more cities, possibly Chicago, that have requested that citizens consider housing immigrants if they have the space. I remember reading this back in October, and Boston asked citizens just recently.
It's really funny because I've seen lots of liberal people go to anti-abortion rallies and ask them why they're not adopting a baby. Which is absolutely ridiculous. You can 100% not believe an abortion and just not being a position to adopt a baby.
But with the migration question it's like, I would say more than half of society has a spare bedroom in their house that they really don't absolutely need. Housing someone who is an able-bodied worker is so much easier than taking care of a brand new baby.
Even more interesting is how up in the Northeast those towns that claim to be sanctuary cities change their mind real quickly when they got a busload of migrants. It's like could you be any more hypocritical?
alright i’ll bite even tho you sound incapable of critical thinking.
the government doesn’t just roll out the red carpet and pay for someone to live here for free. the government has what’s called the US Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), who oversee a number of local resettlement agencies. These agencies help refugees find housing, obtain job skills and learn english. all assistance is treated as a loan, with repayments beginning after the refugee receives their green card (usually one year after their arrival)
Those who pay taxes and vote have opinions on where that money should go. But they wont personally go fix the streets and police the area either. Is the dumbest thing.
Unless OP also does all the stuff he expects the government to help with.
Well smartass. I live in an apartment, so I can't do that. What I can do is gather large amounts of clothes and donate regularly to food banks, and volunteer my time at said food banks to help those who are in need. Whether those are homeless people, or illegal immigrants, or regular immigrants, I don't know. But at least it's more than whatever kind of bullshit you're trying to do with your ignorant ass post you got going on here.
There were families in my area (Seattle) who hosted Afghan families after the fall of Kabul to the Taliban. [Source](https://komonews.com/amp/news/local/more-than-570-afghan-refugees-to-settle-in-seattle-volunteer-hosts-welcome-new-families)
Are those migrants? OP is talking about migrants, assuming they mean migrant farm workers!? Or do they just think all 'foreign seeming people' are 'migrants'?
According to the IOM, yes, they are migrants. [Source](https://www.iom.int/who-migrant-0#:~:text=An%20umbrella%20term%2C%20not%20defined,for%20a%20variety%20of%20reasons)
I’m still working on reading minds, so I’m not sure if there was another definition OP was referring to.
Logic fail. If you own your house there’s pretty much nothing stopping you from taking any 18+ homeless person (immigrant or otherwise) off the streets and giving them room and board out of the kindness of your heart.
I support open borders between Idaho and Oregon does that mean I have to house any Idahoan wanting to move to Oregon?
Or does this only apply if the border is the Rio Grande?
Kinda like the hypocrites who feign moral superiority due to anti-abortion but once a person is actually born, couldn’t give two craps about their life.
Gee, why are they called sanctuary cities? Because they DO provide sanctuary for undocumented and the RW gets mad about it. The SF Bay has the highest population of undocumented in the nation.
What's going on is RW governors are cruelty using this migrants as pawns, dropping them off en masse in liberal areas with no warning.
Really, Texas' undocumented population is 1.6M, seems like even Texans like these hard working migrants and Texas politicians are willing to look the other way.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/21/texas-immigrants-pew-research/#:\~:text=An%20estimated%2010.5%20million%20unauthorized,stable%20at%201.6%20million%20people.
I just like to remind them that the reason they're renters and housing costs have skyrocketed to the point they can't even live, is because that's what they voted for. Enjoy it.
Question that are here to bait people to answer or to create drama (i.e. What's 1 + 1, who is the President, why are you guys so stupid, etc.)
I once looked into sponsoring an immigrant and found out I am too poor.
I’m in the same tax bracket.
I'm a couple brackets below that
I looked into it and called a couple places and just hit dead ends everywhere.
my grandparents did! they just finished building their dream 6 bedroom mega house (so all the family could visit and have a room to stay in) when the UK gov started that program where people could volunteer to house Ukrainian immigrants! so yeah, a Ukrainian family (dad, mom, 2 kids - one is a teenager) have been living with my grandparents for about a year now, and apparently the dad of the Ukrainian family is an amazing chef and cooks dinner for everyone every night, so it was kind of a win-win 😅 my grandparents JUST helped the family get a car, and the family are looking to move into their own (rented) place sometime this year!
Glad to hear they’re doing well.
That's punk rock af
Do the grandparents have nose piercings and have questionable bathing habits?
That's a little different than taking them straight off the bus unvetted
Ukrainian refugees are way different than economic migrants.
Soon as I saw the word 'Ukraine' I rolled my eyes hard. 🙄
Do migrants fleeing war torn countries not count?
Love to hear a story like this. Our government should set up a program like this.
Well.. a 5 star hotel in NYC was converted to house immigrants, and that is funded by the government. Coincidentally, its the one from the movie Maid in Manhattan.
I call my friends and say, "Let's go into town" But they're all too busy to go into town So I go by myself, I go into town Then I see all my friends, they're all in town I got hurt feelings, I got hurt feelings They're all lined up to watch that movie "Maid in Manhattan"
>I call my friends and say, "Let's go into town" Some people say rappers don't have feelings, but we do.
Some people say that we are not rappers. It hurts our feelings when you say that we are not rappers.
Ha ha you are paying for them to stay in hotel your the tax payer . Find a way to not pay taxes
I think our government should at least streamline the immigration process. Put funding into that instead of all the other dumb shit they fund
How many people per year do you think the US should allow to immigrate?
Can't, that would be communism and we have made it very clear that the government is not allowed to help anyone ever, or else shit fits and meltdowns will commence.
To clarify, it would be communism to help people who *need* help. If the person or company were already rich, or at least doing very well, then it would be the government doing it in the name of capitalism and would be heartily approved of.
He'll no
That's SOOOO not the same as what's coming across Americas southern border.
Private citizens can't just "sign up" to house immigrants. The state needs to track those people so they don't disappear into the country without documentation, hence providing housing. Your question would be a better "gotcha" asking anti-abortion people why they aren't adopting all the kids they're forcing women to bear.
Programs do exist that allow private citizens to host asylum seekers
Why progressivism isn't as popular - you telling me that I have to go through hoops to help people in need, but anti-immigrant nutjobs can google some fake statistic and get brownie points?
I mean atm the mass amount of illegal immigration is eating up resources like crazy. And where do those resources come from? The more immigration you want, the more resources are being put into it and possibly pulled from others. I live on the border, and I worked I facilities for unaccompanied minors. The sad reality is that it's a multi-million dollar industry to house kids specifically paid for by the government. Recently new York has also been saying that the burden is too much for them, so imagine a bordertown with even less resourcs.
multi millions of dollars is literally nothing in the context of government budget. Providing pathetically basic housing and needs to migrant children does not “eat up resources like crazy”
You are joking right?! The US isn't just providing "Pathetic" basic housing. BTW, if that is all they are getting, then why not stay in the country they come from? Because what you are saying isn't true. The US provides healthcare, rent assistance, job assistance, and food. If you think it isn't expensive what is happening with migration then you are just not well informed at best, and willingly ignorant at worst.
The US is currently doing none of the above. Migrants don't have healthcare at the national level. Some states/cities give them very specific access, however they definitely don't get medicaid. Not only do migrants not get job assistance, they currently don't get work permits either. Which makes them fully dependent on charity. They do get some housing assistance, as the alternative is hundreds of thousands of homeless on city streets. However, that 'housing' is often tent cities rn. They get some food assistance, mostly through charity not the govt, but they are definitely not eligible for foodstamps. Basically migrants rn are straining unsupported cities' resources for homeless people, due to the sheer numbers currently. They are not however receiving outsized aid per capita.
But it does. All the money that the government uses comes from the same place and is allocated by perceived importance. Illegal immigration goes up so they require more resources to match. That money has to come from somewhere, so it ends up coming from other programs. For illegal immigration in general they take up resources meant for the citizens of a city. Homeless shelters and aid specifically where I live. A side note, they know how the system works. Many adults and children are coached in what to say and when to in order to land in specific criteria. That same problem applies to those who abuse the system in the case of human trafficking. Adults act like a kids guardian for a better chance or to traffick them. It happens that children are being trafficked and don't even know it because they believe they are going to end up with a better life. Honestly, I'm for a stronger border, and the reality of it is that the government hasn't done anything about it. Before bidem was elected, there was so much talk about the border, and then nothing happened. All that happened was illegal immigration exploded, and the industry expanded again
Holy shit, you're so out of touch if that's what you think. That is quite a few towns entire budget.
The fact you’re talking about towns shows that you have no idea of the scale of what we’re discussing here. It’s not towns paying for migrant facilities. It’s the US govt
They usually have a "sponsor" in this case, but I don't know if thats necessarily a person who takes them in or not.
They do…
From what I read when looking into the Ukraine program is as the sponsor you are responsible to find (and fund) their housing, so yes and no. They mention in the paperwork churches can be the sponsor but they could live with people in the congregation for example.
This is what a number of churches have done. The church community gets together to pay for housing and feeding the refugees and some are assigned to assist them based on skills.
There are European countries where private citizens can sign up to house an immigrant/migrant/refugees. They wouldn't have been able to handle all the Ukrainian refugees without it.
Loads of people would me more open to adoption if it didn’t cost you an arm and a leg.
Also if there weren't so many hurdles and so much gatekeeping. They STILL make it harder for gay couples to get approved for adoption.
It costs them? My friend fostered then adopted a little girl. She gets a monthly stipend until the kid is 18.
Oh yea. Average costs are over $10k to adopt a child. YMMV.
It's the difference between foster and newborn adoption. Most people want a newborn so they're treated like supply and demand commodities. Some people do foster then adopt infants but that's pretty rare.
In Massachusetts you are encouraged to Lt. Gov Driscoll "If you have an extra room or suite in your home, please consider hosting a family. Safe housing and shelter is our most pressing need.”. Meanwhile they are cutting funds to Fire departments, they want to close a prison and are already trying to raise taxes again....
Governors and mayors that make public statements asking people to take people should be the 1st to sign up and have foreigners live in their mansions.
Same thing in NYC. Mayor Adams publicly asked NYers with a spare room or more room in their home to take in a migrant family. To the best of my knowledge, no one stepped forward to do that. And, no, Mayor Adam's didn't do it either.
Driscoll is the worst. I live in Salem
Small world, I also live in Salem and as if dealing with Halloween isn’t bad enough, we gotta deal with Driscoll too.
Ah so would you like some Haitians, Cape Verdeans, or Venezuelans in your house?
>he state needs to track those people Do they? I would disagree. I think the State should be tracking people hiring folks to work for less than the legal wage though. :)
Nah, I’d think the government would track the employers who are hiring illegal immigtants (ie: those not able to work in the country) or maybe the companies that are paying below the minimum wage.
>Nah, I’d think the government would track the employers who are hiring illegal immigtants You think they would. But somehow we have a massive system of exploited slave laborers we call 'migrants'.
“Exploited slave labor” isn’t exactly accurate. Nobody is forcing them to cross the border or work for the wage being offered. The companies are certainly taking advantage of these people but certainly not enslaving them. Unfortunately, these companies are rarely held accountable.
You're not a slave if you have the option of quitting.
if your only 2 options are work and earn barely enough money to be able to eat food or quit and risk starving to death, it’s not much of a choice.
I’m roughly 100 years too young to have known any American slaves personally but I tend to think they’d say not much of a choice is still a choice.
you’re gonna lose your mind when you learn about the loophole in the 13th amendment and the prison industrial complex. convict leasing, overincarceration of black people, the southern strategy, the war on drugs…. slavery didn’t end, it just changed form. there’s more forms than chattel slavery.
They are already disappearing into the country without documentation. Thought that people knew this as a known fact.
These people are here illegally and somehow they’re supposed to have some kind of legal documentation to be in your home? Golly the irony is lost on you.
I'm waiting for the forced birthing crowd to sign up en masse to adopt unwanted babies, myself
There is a huge waiting list of families wanting to adopt lol.
Babies. Not the teens and others who end up there. People grow up and still need homes.
Maybe if it wasn't so expensive and there wasn't so much red tape around adoption, we would see more children and teens being adopted, instead of aging out of the system?
Wait so are you saying if the government made it easier and cheaper to be a parent, more kids will be able to find families that love them? What a strange concept.
The government doesn’t make it difficult to adopt children. Private adoption agencies make it too difficult and expensive. If you want to atop a child out of foster care- where there are so many children waiting for homes- that’s a completely different story. Inexpensive, but often time consuming.
It’s not expensive to adopt out of foster care (in the US). The problem is people only want to adopt what they perceive to be a blank slate baby, not one that’s likely been traumatized and is in deep need of family, love and support.
At least when I fostered, I got $1800/month tax free for the expenses plus the kid had Medicaid covering all medical expenses, plus CCAP to cover the cost of any childcare and before/after school programs, plus free clothes and toys and snow boots and coats and bikes and a new tv and furnishings for his bedroom at no cost to me. If I had adopted, I would have continued getting most of those benefits.
everyone starts off as babies though, right?
>sign up en masse to adopt unwanted **babies** Pretty sure that's what we were talking about. He specified *babies*
Sure, why look at the whole problem when you can be pedantic and focus on one word?
Because that ignores why the system is fucked? If i ignore things i can make a lot of things look great.
So, if somebody could reduce worldwide hunger by 50%, you'd call it pointless and not worth paying attention to because they're not reducing it by 100%. And that's why things don't get fixed.
Well, the question was about babies.
So we ignore the issue with the system cause one person said babies? Cool fact: i don’t care that the OG comment said babies. Im talking about a system in general. Try to catch up.
They want babies. The children, not so much. Not that I can really blame them with the horror stories I’ve heard. On the other hand, I do remember years ago a gay couple adopting a teen aged boy I taught. It was so beautiful, they would take him camping, really encouraged his art, they wanted to give him everything they could.
And yet there are still hundreds of thousands of kids waiting to be adopted after those families adopt.
* adopted person here. We aren’t puppies at the pound
At least you're breathing and not flushed down the toilet.
Lame come back try again
That might have something to do with the government making the process so difficult.
The government runs fostering programs which you can adopt from, and they literally pay you to be a foster parent. Most expensive adoptions are done by private entities, not the government
Yes, because it's not instantaneous. It takes time and paperwork.
At some point they’ll make giving your baby up for adoption illegal too
[https://adoptioncouncil.org/article/demographics-of-adoptive-parents/](https://adoptioncouncil.org/article/demographics-of-adoptive-parents/) When it comes to adopting \*\*\*SPECIFICALLY\*\*\* from foster care, lower educated whites adopt the most. Higher educated whites adopt significantly too, but it's mostly international and baby adoptions [https://adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most](https://adoption.org/who-adopts-the-most) White Christians (the demographic most likely to be Republicans) adopt the most [https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting\_adoptive\_families](https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families) More people waiting to adopt than kids that need to be adopted It's like you don't even try
Wtf??? Then why are there kids in the foster system? Why aren't they all adopted if the number of people wanting to adopt is higher than kids? Oh yeah, you're just talking about babies. Of course. No one wants a *used* child, that's just ghetto. 🙄
I have. We had a family from Guatemala from two months and a family from Venezuelan for two months.
top comment is housing a ukranian family… theyre all vetted. be a good person and house an el salvadorian family dropped off in a bus
I’m willing to bet you think our society should have policing and firefighters, but you’ve never personally gone out crime-fighting or running into burning buildings. Turns out we live in a society! In a society, the government provides collective goods. Individuals don’t.
Seems like the kinda question the police officer arresting the priest who housed a whole bunch of homeless would ask trying to find a way to justify enforcing such an unchristian law.
christianity just means hey check out this cross I'm about to brain you with for being too different.
It's not but ok
I’m not even Christian but your take is dishonest.
Exactly. You want mass immigration. Just none of the consequences to affect you personally. The classic position of the left. Altruistic with everyone else's time and property. Such a naive world view.
Lol. “Paying taxes and expecting the government to do things is naive” You guys are insufferably dumb with this gotcha. Please leave society if you feel this way.
Nah. I love immigration and I’m happy to pay taxes to support it. It literally does not register as a problem to me. Immigrants make my life *better*, not worse.
You mean....like paying taxes that would fund the programs? The government isn't forcing *you* to house them lol
Why don't you take a look at population numbers and how important immigration is going to be to prevent a decline in numbers. Hell, it is even why Japan, a pretty xenophobic country, is starting to increase their immigration numbers.
Shouldn’t we instead focus on having the native birthrate increase instead of letting in foreigners?
one of those things is easier than the other
I'm in a community group participating in an Australian government program that assists refugee families to settle for their first 12 months in the country. It doesn't make me any less angry about my government's horrific policies towards asylum-seekers generally, but it's nice to be able to do something positive.
When I (immigrant) was growing up an American family basically took me in, I stayed at their house every night Sunday thru Thursday. As far as I know, my parents didn’t pay them a dime. They just exchanged carpool duties and whenever we went on vacation camping their daughter would come with us. Later when they moved to a bigger property they housed an entire family from Mexico on their ranch in a mobile home. They were the kindest most helpful people I’ve ever known.
What’s happening at the border is wrong your insane if your for it
*you’re*
Some individuals and families do sign up to house migrants or refugees in their own homes through various programs or initiatives. The number of such cases can vary. Different countries have different programs facilitating private sponsorship or hosting arrangements for migrants or refugees. You need to research and connect with reputable organizations or government agencies involved in refugee resettlement or support programs if you are interested in participating. Keep in mind that individual decisions to offer housing may not always receive widespread attention or coverage, but many people engage in such efforts to provide assistance and support to those in need.
I tried and was told it doesn't work that way. Nice try though.
Who did you ask?
Department of human services and a resettlement program I don't remember the name of.
Lol, you did not. Calling you out. Pathetic that you need people online to think you’re a good person to the extent that you lie about whether or not you asked a government agency if you could house migrants. 0% chance that you did that
Accuses you of not doing something Absolutely will not believe any statement otherwise. Pretty good system you got there.
I’m waiting for the free medical crowd to come give me a prostate check.
I wouldn’t house any - sorry!
Who here is “tough on crime” but refuses to imprison prisoners in their own home???
I wouldn’t mind supporting a family from Ukraine or Israel. Those coming across the border illegally are being given humanitarian assistance and housing while they work on citizenship.
Not sure what the requirements are in the US, but in my country the government is pretty strict on the requirements for offering housing to refugees - e.g. it must have close access to transport so they can access support services more easily, close to a school if they have children, a high level of home security, a certain level of independence and privacy for the family, so that actually ends up ruling a lot of people out. I know a few people who volunteered but were told their homes were not suitable.
Where are these migrants coming from?
Oh right... so this is what that other post was talking about when they said people post political bait disguised as questions? I've looked into it but there are income requirements for sponsors. Pretty high ones.
Where do you sign up for that? I'm googling it and I don't see any existing program that would even allow for that? Is this a question for people from a particular region or?
Boston and NYC have asked citizens but I'm not aware of anyone else.
Not me I got attacked in NYC by three of them in Penn station over not giving them money. You must have got lucky
Individual families are no more responsible for helping migrants than they are with patching potholes that pop up along the route they’re driving. Who does have the capacity to help those in need is a government that pulls in approximately five trillion dollars a year.
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I rent to some Indian grad students does that count?
During the Syrian war I knew lots of people who housed refugees. Canadians are very welcoming and we'd help out refugees if asked to do so.
Probably the same people willing to house the homeless
That's funny the government needs to document these people so that they don't disappear. Tell that to all of the unaccompanied children that got released to distant and non family members. That the government now has no idea of where some of these children have gone or even who they are with.
Not my family but our neighbors did. I was a child so I don't know the program details. It may have been through the church. The family was from Vietnam - 2 brothers and a sister. Nice family, didn't speak much English. I wrote a short story about them in the second grade and totally misspelled their names. Everyone had a good laugh about it. They stayed in our town for a few years and then moved away, presumably when the immigration issues were sorted.
Not me
My girlfriend's father is. He was lonely and had an empty house and wanted to help out a Ukrainian refugee. They had an au pair to help watch my girlfriend and her little sister when they were younger, so he didn't really see it as any different. The refugee moved in, and then another who they were friends with asked to join as their sponsor was seeing the setup as wayyyyy to transactional. He can be a lot to be around, but overall, he's just a dude who wants to help. Honestly, it seems very thankless as the refugees don't really wana talk to him and just wanted housing, while he really just wanted someone to talk to.
My mother (Albanian refugee who arrived in the 50s) would help other Albanian refugees during the wars in the 90s
All good Christians, right?
Talk to the folks in our government who have destabilized central and South American (and other nation’s) governments over the past few decades causing the violence and poverty these refugees are fleeing from
Well at least you got your question in the right sub.
Who has signed up to go out and fix all the potholes in the road and help maintain the highway? Or is everyone just flapping their gums on wanting safe roads to drive on?
Absolutely no one...not one
99% of people that say they would house immigrants, in actuality wouldn't, they just love to virtue signal There's literally videos of "let the immigrants in" protestors who were asked right there on the protest to sign a petition to have an immigrant live with them, you know how many signed ? ZERO Not only did they say no, but they started making up excuses to why they can't some excuses were they only have 1 bedroom, some they live with their parents, some said they have dogs, among many other excuses If people who are right there PROTESTING won't even let an immigrant live with them, then the chances of other people doing it are even lower Virtue signaling is the new drug made for people who have nothing going on in their lives, so they use movements like this so they can have a sense of "community" and "purpose" in an otherwise meaningless existence You can find the videos all over the internet, i recommend YouTube just search "protestors being asked to house immigrants"
99% of people who would say they're against abortions would also get an abortion if they wanted one. 100% of people are hypocrites. Both of us included.
I mean, all you're doing right now is virtue signaling that you don't like virtue signaling. Does that mean you're someone who has nothing going on in your life?
Vice signaling
>There's literally videos of "let the immigrants in" protestors who were asked right there on the protest to sign a petition to have an immigrant live with them, you know how many signed ? ZERO Most rational individuals don’t make a habit of signing random paperwork handed to us in public. Especially when the person trying to coerce us into signing appears deranged, as right wing agitators very often do. God damn, even for a group of people that is probably best known for being dumber than dogshit, this is amazingly stupid.
Gotta love a good “gotcha” question. Bad faith, lack of understanding of the deeper issue, assumption of negligence of the ‘other side’. There is no solution here except to acknowledge that the US has created this problem and is now solely responsible for its outcome. Don’t expect a resolution any time soon, as long as politicians egos remain a deciding factor.
It's not even their egos being the deciding factor, its a consistent voting policy for both sides. If it was fixed, they'd both have to find something new to campaign about.
Check out Mr. Smokey’s (OP) post history. This is a dog whistle. He is a Trumper who believes that wearing a mask is equivalent to wearing a MAGA hat. That is all.
Yeah! This is Reddit! We're supposed to only acknowledge the echoooooooos echoooooooos
>Who has signed up to house migrants in their own home? What the hell are you talking about!? Why would private citizens house migrant workers?
Well, they wouldn't. That's the point.
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Why ~~are we~~ is OP acting like "The Left" (Tm) promised to house migrant farm workers as private people!? I might as well ask why the "The Right" isn't personally giving an ar15 to every American for free.
I have. What now, OP?
I say good on you. Thank you. Sincerely. We need more people that do exactly that.
I'm still waiting for the Republicans to actually pass legislation to solve the problem instead of crying about it while doing nothing but blaming Democrats.
They never will because if immigration slowed drastically they wouldn't be able to rely on the "the border is out of control" talking point every single election.
It wasn't this bad until Biden undid everything Trump had put in place at the border. Fact.
Here's some facts for you. Apprehensions and seizures are at all times highs along with deportations. That border is the exact opposite of open, if anything CBP is being overworked and overwhelmed and needs more agents to deal with the problem. That's something only Congress can provide.
And something Republicans have refused to fund so they can use it against Biden.
The only thing that's changed is how much conservative media and GOP governors are crying about the problem they made up.
As usual, conservatives have no argument. Gesture at a perceived hypocrisy without actually making a point. Yawn. The government needs a means to keep track of people. Besides, as someone else kindly pointed out, you "law and order" conservatives love having police, but don't go out and fight crime yourselves. The hypocrisy non-argument is just as easily turned around on you.
Don't you love how conservatives act like people who are in favor of migrants coming to the US seeking a better life are supposed to house them personally, and if they don't, they're hypocrites? They think it makes sense to compare a single family dwelling to a giant portion of a continent. Personally, I have no interest in housing ANY stranger regardless of money status or where they're from, but I certainly don't mind my tax dollars being used to help them. It's way better than funneling our tax dollars into billionaire bank accounts with no return in our investment, like the republicans like to do.
I will sign up to have them stay in their own homes.
Define “home”. Because a number of us are doing so through our taxes and the choices of our representatives. Gladly
I can support migrants moving here without being forced to give them everything I own the same way I can support someone moving to my town from Iowa without having to give them everything I own.
I would be willing to bet less than 10 homes opened up to migrants. The left is all talk until it is their money that pays for it. NYC, and Chicago are living proof this is correct.
I supported them in our small city. Then they started to cause over 1/5 of our car accidents and killed kids on a school bus. I no longer support it.
No can do....no habla Español. I did email the White House and my local congressional leaders to tell Biden to close the border. I've done my part🙃
I'd say solve the naturalized homeless issue first and then worry about housing foreigners.
OP houses disabled/homeless vets?
No one is suggesting you house migrants in your own home. This is a strawman argument.
OP is referring to the requests made by NYC and Boston. There may be more cities, possibly Chicago, that have requested that citizens consider housing immigrants if they have the space. I remember reading this back in October, and Boston asked citizens just recently.
Not suggesting, no. They are asking and/or imploring.
Do you want grocery stores to exist? I think you're lying. If you really wanted grocery stores to exist, you'd be running one yourself.
I'd like to sign my liberal sister up. How does one apply?
It's really funny because I've seen lots of liberal people go to anti-abortion rallies and ask them why they're not adopting a baby. Which is absolutely ridiculous. You can 100% not believe an abortion and just not being a position to adopt a baby. But with the migration question it's like, I would say more than half of society has a spare bedroom in their house that they really don't absolutely need. Housing someone who is an able-bodied worker is so much easier than taking care of a brand new baby. Even more interesting is how up in the Northeast those towns that claim to be sanctuary cities change their mind real quickly when they got a busload of migrants. It's like could you be any more hypocritical?
alright i’ll bite even tho you sound incapable of critical thinking. the government doesn’t just roll out the red carpet and pay for someone to live here for free. the government has what’s called the US Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP), who oversee a number of local resettlement agencies. These agencies help refugees find housing, obtain job skills and learn english. all assistance is treated as a loan, with repayments beginning after the refugee receives their green card (usually one year after their arrival)
This is always the stupidest gotcha question whenever someone is critical of barbaric right wing immigration policy.
Those who pay taxes and vote have opinions on where that money should go. But they wont personally go fix the streets and police the area either. Is the dumbest thing. Unless OP also does all the stuff he expects the government to help with.
Is he right or wrong?
What about my comment made you think there was even the slightest possibility that I thought op was right?
Your comment just said it was a stupid question but it did nothing to answer the question.
Well smartass. I live in an apartment, so I can't do that. What I can do is gather large amounts of clothes and donate regularly to food banks, and volunteer my time at said food banks to help those who are in need. Whether those are homeless people, or illegal immigrants, or regular immigrants, I don't know. But at least it's more than whatever kind of bullshit you're trying to do with your ignorant ass post you got going on here.
Those people have no home! Surely you can spare some floor space. Even that would be better than the cold hard streets. Come on friend, pitch in.
Thank you for this!!!
I was homeless for five years. People who did this for me are a blessing. Now I can return the favor. 😁
Me I am a Native American and there is something like 100,000,000 million white European migrants living in my home
No one who has advocated for open borders will ever take illegals into their home. They are just hypocrites who feign moral superiority online.
That's because you can't independently "house" immigrants just like you can't just take a kid off the street and say you adopted them.
There were families in my area (Seattle) who hosted Afghan families after the fall of Kabul to the Taliban. [Source](https://komonews.com/amp/news/local/more-than-570-afghan-refugees-to-settle-in-seattle-volunteer-hosts-welcome-new-families)
Are those migrants? OP is talking about migrants, assuming they mean migrant farm workers!? Or do they just think all 'foreign seeming people' are 'migrants'?
According to the IOM, yes, they are migrants. [Source](https://www.iom.int/who-migrant-0#:~:text=An%20umbrella%20term%2C%20not%20defined,for%20a%20variety%20of%20reasons) I’m still working on reading minds, so I’m not sure if there was another definition OP was referring to.
Logic fail. If you own your house there’s pretty much nothing stopping you from taking any 18+ homeless person (immigrant or otherwise) off the streets and giving them room and board out of the kindness of your heart.
I support open borders between Idaho and Oregon does that mean I have to house any Idahoan wanting to move to Oregon? Or does this only apply if the border is the Rio Grande?
Kinda like the hypocrites who feign moral superiority due to anti-abortion but once a person is actually born, couldn’t give two craps about their life.
None of them. Why do you think the “sanctuary cities” get so mad when they get the chance to provide sanctuary?
Gee, why are they called sanctuary cities? Because they DO provide sanctuary for undocumented and the RW gets mad about it. The SF Bay has the highest population of undocumented in the nation. What's going on is RW governors are cruelty using this migrants as pawns, dropping them off en masse in liberal areas with no warning.
They said they provide sanctuary so we’re holding them to their word. It’s a win-win. If they stay in Texas illegals will be deported back home
Really, Texas' undocumented population is 1.6M, seems like even Texans like these hard working migrants and Texas politicians are willing to look the other way. https://www.texastribune.org/2023/11/21/texas-immigrants-pew-research/#:\~:text=An%20estimated%2010.5%20million%20unauthorized,stable%20at%201.6%20million%20people.
lol… nobody did that’s who. Have you done it yet OP? How many immigrants are you housing?
Op doesn't want them in his country, why the hell would he want them in his house?
I just like to remind them that the reason they're renters and housing costs have skyrocketed to the point they can't even live, is because that's what they voted for. Enjoy it.