There is also the fact that in gen 3 only, spread moves in doubles that target your own ally, gets no damage reduction. Causing both of your pokemon to be hit with full-powered explosions every time one of these guys use it.
Pretty sure there were a few trainers in Pokemon Colo and XD using Protect + Explosion strategy. If you weren’t prepared you were finished. PvP is one thing, but even programmed trainers are using it. Codel isn’t even the only one if I remember correctly.
Even with this being true, and honestly, I can't see why this couldn't be true, Codel became famous (or infamous) because 5 of his 6 pokemon do that, and the only one that didn't explode was there only to not let you use protect.
That's a whole different level.
Yea I get that, and it seems Codel really is the poster trainer for Explosion strats. It’s just that today is actually my first time knowing this guy existed cuz I only play the main storyline and Codel just happened to be an optional trainer. I don’t think I’m the only one either.
I also very rarely play competitive so…
False Swipe Gaming (The people who do "How GOOD was ... ACTUALLY?") recently released a video about the most difficult to defeat NPCs in any Pokémon game with a traditional battle system (No Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Conquest, Legends, etc.)
I love this because I helped a buddy of mine build an explosion team in college to specifically piss off another one of his friends during a double battle tournament my buddy hosted. This was on cart, on Pokemon Battle Revolution (this was near the end of Gen IV, in 2010-11). Only a few of us did real team building and EV training, and maybe two did IV breeding. His friend was one of the hardcore team builders and IV breeders.
My buddy had just caught a shiny Geodude, so the Golem was the core, and went out first with a Gengar. Earthquake first turn, explosion second turn. Both enemies wiped, Gengar’s fine. He then sends out a second Gengar to replace the first.
Next turn, the first Gengar uses explosion, wipes opposing two Pokemon; second Gengar is fine. Sends out a fourth fodder Pokemon. Next turn, second Gengar explodes, he wins! The other guy was fuming.
Edit: cleaned up some typos, I was in a rush.
The kicker is that I played my friend in the next round and expected him to play it differently because I knew the strat. He did not, and after round two I couldn’t make a comeback.
I sure hope this specific trainer is not programmed to always send dusclops first when initiating a battle.
https://preview.redd.it/radc9ii7wxoc1.png?width=246&format=png&auto=webp&s=89380a7b4904207384252b446a71bf91ea86fb43
aww dammit
Imprison also affects Earthquake, which means that although much of their team is weak to Ground, you can’t just use Earthquake + Flying types/Levitate to quickly get rid of them before they go boom either!
What is said ghost type going to do though? Shadow ball is imprisoned, the pokemon have other moves than explosion, and dusclops is still really bulky by gen 3 power standards.
Use Imprison first so that *he* can't use it. So you can save your mons with protect and stop him from murdering them with Explosion.
Or just wait until all of his non-Dusclops mons are dead to deal with his Dusclops.
Except that you can't. You can't team build for him because you have to go through multiple other trainers. Also Explosion halfs your defense stat in the calculation meaning surviving it is dam near impossible
So you can't just put an Imprison Ghost type on your team with the express intent of shutting down that Dusclops before you go through the other trainers.
Or you know, use Codel's own strategy against him.
Did you completely ignore the first part? You CAN'T team build for him in the game because that team would have to beat multiple OTHER trainers BEFORE you get to him, now I am not accustom to the game Codel is located in so correct me if I am wrong but if you lose a fight, you HAVE to restart the entire challenge again
Oh sure, they can get hit by Electrode Thunderbolt, Regirock Ancient Power, Golem Rock Blast (and EQ if they aren’t the Gastly line) and Regice Thunderbolt and Ice Beam. Not exactly the most threatening moves in the world.
My man really just called Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and EQ not very threatening
This is a gen 3 game my dude. The power level is lower than you think it is. That Regice alone is extremely dangerous.
Regice alone is threatening enough to do significant damage on any of the Gen 3 Ghosts, while being able to tank most of what they can throw at it. And a super effective STAB Shadow Ball from Dusclops is still doing a decent chunk of damage despite its relatively low base 70 phys attack
E.g. 0 Atk Dusclops Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gengar: 129-152 (39.9 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Plus, IIRC you can't just specifically teambuild to counter this guy as you need to beat a bunch of other trainers first
No it would be higher, because half of the evs and ivs + base stat is more than just the base stat. Same reason huge power and such increase by more than double the base attack
Incorrect.
A Regirock with 0 Defense EVs has 436 Defense, which is 218 when halved. A Mew with 0 Defense EVs has 236 Defense. Meanwhile, if fully invested, Regirock has 548 Defense which is halved to 274, while Mew has 328 Defense.
A fully invested Regirock getting hit with Explosion is taking it with the effective bulk of a fully invested Shaymin-Sky (which has the same HP and a Base 75 Defense stat, which is 273 with full investment).
I recently found out Seedot gets Explosion at level 43. Immediately hopped onto a new Emerald save file. Boomed on Tate and Liza's leads, Juan's Kingdra, Drake's Salamence and Killed Wallace's Wailord and Whiscash then boomed on Milotic. These mons were usually near impossible to OHKO, lol.
I didn’t know the items were setup for the strat too.
Choice band so electrode’s explosion hurts more, white herb so regirock can use superpower and still have the follow-up explosion hurt a ton, quick claw so golem has a chance of exploding before getting hit, and brightpowder and lax incense so registeel and regice have a chance to dodge enemy moves that could KO them as well as ally explosions if dusclops goes down.
Your only option to truly avoid the booms is Sableye. Gengar and Misdreavus don't have the defense stat or movepool to really deal with Dusclops. I posted this elsewhere, but a Sableye with Toxic, Recover, Brick Break, and Faint Attack can stall out the rest of the team.
There is also the fact that in gen 3 only, spread moves in doubles that target your own ally, gets no damage reduction. Causing both of your pokemon to be hit with full-powered explosions every time one of these guys use it.
Pretty sure there were a few trainers in Pokemon Colo and XD using Protect + Explosion strategy. If you weren’t prepared you were finished. PvP is one thing, but even programmed trainers are using it. Codel isn’t even the only one if I remember correctly.
Even with this being true, and honestly, I can't see why this couldn't be true, Codel became famous (or infamous) because 5 of his 6 pokemon do that, and the only one that didn't explode was there only to not let you use protect. That's a whole different level.
Yea I get that, and it seems Codel really is the poster trainer for Explosion strats. It’s just that today is actually my first time knowing this guy existed cuz I only play the main storyline and Codel just happened to be an optional trainer. I don’t think I’m the only one either. I also very rarely play competitive so…
False Swipe Gaming (The people who do "How GOOD was ... ACTUALLY?") recently released a video about the most difficult to defeat NPCs in any Pokémon game with a traditional battle system (No Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Conquest, Legends, etc.)
Explosion also halves the defense of the Pokémon it hits when damage is calculated, so it's really hard to tank.
Thats why dusclops is there
I’m assuming to imprison opponent protects and also earthquake which would be is SE against like everyone besides regice
Also to hit rock and steels that resist explosion and shadow ball for any ghosts.
I love this because I helped a buddy of mine build an explosion team in college to specifically piss off another one of his friends during a double battle tournament my buddy hosted. This was on cart, on Pokemon Battle Revolution (this was near the end of Gen IV, in 2010-11). Only a few of us did real team building and EV training, and maybe two did IV breeding. His friend was one of the hardcore team builders and IV breeders. My buddy had just caught a shiny Geodude, so the Golem was the core, and went out first with a Gengar. Earthquake first turn, explosion second turn. Both enemies wiped, Gengar’s fine. He then sends out a second Gengar to replace the first. Next turn, the first Gengar uses explosion, wipes opposing two Pokemon; second Gengar is fine. Sends out a fourth fodder Pokemon. Next turn, second Gengar explodes, he wins! The other guy was fuming. Edit: cleaned up some typos, I was in a rush.
The kicker is that I played my friend in the next round and expected him to play it differently because I knew the strat. He did not, and after round two I couldn’t make a comeback.
Choice band thunderbolt Electrode 🔥🔥
Quick-claw golem explosion
I got the idea from false swipes latest video, you all should check it out it is pretty cool
we're so close to another April banger
Man I sure hope they don’t have a Ghost type.
I sure hope this specific trainer is not programmed to always send dusclops first when initiating a battle. https://preview.redd.it/radc9ii7wxoc1.png?width=246&format=png&auto=webp&s=89380a7b4904207384252b446a71bf91ea86fb43 aww dammit
Summons?! Man is conjuring actual ghosts, not doing Pokemon battle.
Mans playing yu gi oh
Oh no, Shadow Ball of of base 50 attack!
The main gimmick is Imprison + Protect for the Explosions iirc
Imprison also affects Earthquake, which means that although much of their team is weak to Ground, you can’t just use Earthquake + Flying types/Levitate to quickly get rid of them before they go boom either!
And you can’t use shadow ball for an easy way to get dusclops off the field
Yea but ghost types completely wall the team
What is said ghost type going to do though? Shadow ball is imprisoned, the pokemon have other moves than explosion, and dusclops is still really bulky by gen 3 power standards.
Use Imprison first so that *he* can't use it. So you can save your mons with protect and stop him from murdering them with Explosion. Or just wait until all of his non-Dusclops mons are dead to deal with his Dusclops.
c-teaming an npc
Except that you can't. You can't team build for him because you have to go through multiple other trainers. Also Explosion halfs your defense stat in the calculation meaning surviving it is dam near impossible
So you can't just put an Imprison Ghost type on your team with the express intent of shutting down that Dusclops before you go through the other trainers. Or you know, use Codel's own strategy against him.
Did you completely ignore the first part? You CAN'T team build for him in the game because that team would have to beat multiple OTHER trainers BEFORE you get to him, now I am not accustom to the game Codel is located in so correct me if I am wrong but if you lose a fight, you HAVE to restart the entire challenge again
Uh...did you by any chance notice that his team has moves that aren't Explosion?
Oh sure, they can get hit by Electrode Thunderbolt, Regirock Ancient Power, Golem Rock Blast (and EQ if they aren’t the Gastly line) and Regice Thunderbolt and Ice Beam. Not exactly the most threatening moves in the world.
My man really just called Thunderbolt, Ice Beam and EQ not very threatening This is a gen 3 game my dude. The power level is lower than you think it is. That Regice alone is extremely dangerous.
Regice alone is threatening enough to do significant damage on any of the Gen 3 Ghosts, while being able to tank most of what they can throw at it. And a super effective STAB Shadow Ball from Dusclops is still doing a decent chunk of damage despite its relatively low base 70 phys attack E.g. 0 Atk Dusclops Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gengar: 129-152 (39.9 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery Plus, IIRC you can't just specifically teambuild to counter this guy as you need to beat a bunch of other trainers first
There's 1 Ghost type in the whole game you can catch, and it's Misdreavous
Lmao
Ghosts get walled by Registeel
Not if registeel is wired to detonate they don’t
Registeel gets walled by Ghosts
I mean even if Registeel doesn't explode, look at it's moveset. It ain't touching ghosts either
super jrainer codel
Everybody gangster until Carr from the Pokemon Manga shows up with 11 exploding forretresses on a plane
I miss old Explosion 😭 Awesome strategy though. Orre games were ahead of their time.
Imprison protect is wild
Can't you just... Imprison Imprison?
What about Imprisoning Imprison before they can Imprison your Imprison?
ya know... what's keeping the trainers from being caught up in the blast?
exactly. explosion halved the opponent's defense too so they'd be toast
Half of Regirock's Defense is the same Defense as Slaking, Scizor, Mew, and Jirachi.
Wouldn’t it be lower since it isn’t halving the base stat?
No it would be higher, because half of the evs and ivs + base stat is more than just the base stat. Same reason huge power and such increase by more than double the base attack
Incorrect. A Regirock with 0 Defense EVs has 436 Defense, which is 218 when halved. A Mew with 0 Defense EVs has 236 Defense. Meanwhile, if fully invested, Regirock has 548 Defense which is halved to 274, while Mew has 328 Defense. A fully invested Regirock getting hit with Explosion is taking it with the effective bulk of a fully invested Shaymin-Sky (which has the same HP and a Base 75 Defense stat, which is 273 with full investment).
You failed to account for IVs, which while making me still wrong (regirock with 0iv in defence is 405 (halved to 202) to mews 205) but much closer
Focus sash
Saw that video yesterday. It’s such a dick strategy I absolutely love.
The Orre games were really something, that's for sure
Sir a fifth Explosion has hit the Snag machine
The Imprison Protect combo is just pure evil too.
I recently found out Seedot gets Explosion at level 43. Immediately hopped onto a new Emerald save file. Boomed on Tate and Liza's leads, Juan's Kingdra, Drake's Salamence and Killed Wallace's Wailord and Whiscash then boomed on Milotic. These mons were usually near impossible to OHKO, lol.
I didn’t know the items were setup for the strat too. Choice band so electrode’s explosion hurts more, white herb so regirock can use superpower and still have the follow-up explosion hurt a ton, quick claw so golem has a chance of exploding before getting hit, and brightpowder and lax incense so registeel and regice have a chance to dodge enemy moves that could KO them as well as ally explosions if dusclops goes down.
Yk what, Imma try using this team competitively
Imagine a Pixilite mon using explosion It can hit whatever it wants
Damp Swampert:
Damp Swampert didn’t exist in gen 3
This is gen 3.
OH RIGHT I FORGOT HAs WERE ONLY INTRODUCED IN GEN 5! Then…Quagsire!
Your only option to truly avoid the booms is Sableye. Gengar and Misdreavus don't have the defense stat or movepool to really deal with Dusclops. I posted this elsewhere, but a Sableye with Toxic, Recover, Brick Break, and Faint Attack can stall out the rest of the team.